Carolyn, I note that your list of "all resources" only lists internet resources. There are stacks and stacks of Church records available for Liverpool which are on microfilm. They can be found on the LDS catalogue at: http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=topicdetails&subject=349498&subject_disp=England%2C+Lancashire%2C+Liverpool+%2D+Church+records&columns=*,0,0 The vast majority of these have not been indexed, let alone digitised, including the Presbyterian Church records for Liverpool, which is where I'd first look for anyone with the Isbister/Isvester surname. Have you looked at these microfilms? Trawling through theses microfilm copies of old records is what any family historian had to do before we started getting spoiled by PCs in our home and now by digital copies of old records on the Internet. How many have you searched? (If the LDS hadn't microfilmed these records in the past, there wouldn't be an IGI!) I note that you live in Boston. The LDS have a library in Boston, into which you can order microfilms to read. Do you make effective use of it? If not, then you have not exhausted all resources by a very long shot. I should add that the IGI is only an index and should be followed up by viewing the microfilm of the original record. Boston Massachusetts 150 Brown St Weston, Middlesex, Massachusetts, United States Phone: 781-235-2164 Hours: Wednesdays 7pm-9pm; Fridays and Saturdays 9am-3pm For those of you living elsewhere around the world, the LDS home page < www.familysearch.org > has a search field labelled "Find a Library near you" (you may need to page down). The Boston Public Library has "a very comprehensive collection of histories of the British Isles" (Genealogist's Handbook for New England Research (1985 ISBN 0-88082-011-X). Have you checked out these resources? Remember, "New England" got its name for a reason. Then there is the "New England Historic Genealogical Society", 101 Newbury St, Boston. This was founded in 1845 and is claimed to be the oldest genealogical society in the world. Have you checked out their resources? (I know they purchased materials such as microfiche transcripts and indexes of 19th century Orkney census records in the mid-1990s.) And what does the Harvard University library across the Charles River in Cambridge hold? Harvard is more than just a business school. I am not a member of the LDS Church, but I have worked as a volunteer in my local LDS library since 1991. One of things I tell new people is that to be successful in their research, they need to be related to two people: Patience and her husband Percy Vere. Happy Hunting David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Carolyn Parker To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 11:22 PM Subject: [ENG-LIV] when all else fails? Hi List, I am really stuck! What do you do when you feel you have exhausted all resources, i.e. IGI, Lanc OPR, findmypast, and ancestry.com? These are the databases that I have access to. I am searching for vital records before 1786 in Liverpool. Families: Isbister/Ivester, McCrum and Appleton. Any suggestions most appreciated. Carolyn in Boston, MA

David, thanks for your advice. I guess like others, I have gotten lazy! need to do more than sit here at my PC!! I am going to Salt Lake City in January and will make use of the films there - Carolyn I'm a member of NEHGS as well! At 09:03 PM 10/17/2009, you wrote: >Carolyn, > >I note that your list of "all resources" only lists internet >resources. There are stacks and stacks of Church records available >for Liverpool which are on microfilm. They can be found on the LDS >catalogue at: > >http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=topicdetails&subject=349498&subject_disp=England%2C+Lancashire%2C+Liverpool+%2D+Church+records&columns=*,0,0 > >The vast majority of these have not been indexed, let alone >digitised, including the Presbyterian Church records for Liverpool, >which is where I'd first look for anyone with the Isbister/Isvester >surname. Have you looked at these microfilms? Trawling through >theses microfilm copies of old records is what any family historian >had to do before we started getting spoiled by PCs in our home and >now by digital copies of old records on the Internet. How many have >you searched? (If the LDS hadn't microfilmed these records in the >past, there wouldn't be an IGI!) > >I note that you live in Boston. The LDS have a library in Boston, >into which you can order microfilms to read. Do you make effective >use of it? If not, then you have not exhausted all resources by a >very long shot. I should add that the IGI is only an index and >should be followed up by viewing the microfilm of the original record. > >Boston Massachusetts >150 Brown St >Weston, Middlesex, Massachusetts, United States >Phone: 781-235-2164 >Hours: Wednesdays 7pm-9pm; Fridays and Saturdays 9am-3pm > >For those of you living elsewhere around the world, the LDS home >page < www.familysearch.org > has a search field labelled "Find a >Library near you" (you may need to page down). > >The Boston Public Library has "a very comprehensive collection of >histories of the British Isles" (Genealogist's Handbook for New >England Research (1985 ISBN 0-88082-011-X). Have you checked out >these resources? Remember, "New England" got its name for a reason. > >Then there is the "New England Historic Genealogical Society", 101 >Newbury St, Boston. This was founded in 1845 and is claimed to be >the oldest genealogical society in the world. Have you checked out >their resources? (I know they purchased materials such as >microfiche transcripts and indexes of 19th century Orkney census >records in the mid-1990s.) > >And what does the Harvard University library across the Charles >River in Cambridge hold? Harvard is more than just a business school. > >I am not a member of the LDS Church, but I have worked as a >volunteer in my local LDS library since 1991. One of things I tell >new people is that to be successful in their research, they need to >be related to two people: Patience and her husband Percy Vere. > >Happy Hunting > >David Armstrong >Maylands, >Western Australia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carolyn Parker > To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 11:22 PM > Subject: [ENG-LIV] when all else fails? > > > Hi List, I am really stuck! What do you do when you feel you have > exhausted all resources, i.e. IGI, Lanc OPR, findmypast, and > ancestry.com? These are the databases that I have access to. I am > searching for vital records before 1786 in Liverpool. Families: > Isbister/Ivester, McCrum and Appleton. Any suggestions most > appreciated. Carolyn in Boston, MA > >~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > >Admin Message - List guidelines: >http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > >The list admin can be contacted at >Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carolyn, As you may know go to the bottom floor, 2nd basement, in Salt Lake. :-) There are two red headed ladies that are VERY GOOD and helpful at the desk. One has a short haircut and the other is quite young with very long hair. I was there in August for Liverpool research. Also one of the volunteers Fern Hennessy is very sweet, if you run into her be sure and say "hi" for me. Joan On Oct 19, 2009, at 9:40 AM, Carolyn Parker wrote: > David, thanks for your advice. I guess like others, I have gotten > lazy! need to do more than sit here at my PC!! I am going to Salt > Lake City in January and will make use of the films there - Carolyn > I'm a member of NEHGS as well! > > At 09:03 PM 10/17/2009, you wrote: >> Carolyn, >> >> I note that your list of "all resources" only lists internet >> resources. There are stacks and stacks of Church records available >> for Liverpool which are on microfilm. They can be found on the LDS >> catalogue at: >> >> http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=topicdetails&subject=349498&subject_disp=England%2C+Lancashire%2C+Liverpool+%2D+Church+records&columns=*,0,0 >> >> The vast majority of these have not been indexed, let alone >> digitised, including the Presbyterian Church records for Liverpool, >> which is where I'd first look for anyone with the Isbister/Isvester >> surname. Have you looked at these microfilms? Trawling through >> theses microfilm copies of old records is what any family historian >> had to do before we started getting spoiled by PCs in our home and >> now by digital copies of old records on the Internet. How many have >> you searched? (If the LDS hadn't microfilmed these records in the >> past, there wouldn't be an IGI!) >> >> I note that you live in Boston. The LDS have a library in Boston, >> into which you can order microfilms to read. Do you make effective >> use of it? If not, then you have not exhausted all resources by a >> very long shot. I should add that the IGI is only an index and >> should be followed up by viewing the microfilm of the original >> record. >> >> Boston Massachusetts >> 150 Brown St >> Weston, Middlesex, Massachusetts, United States >> Phone: 781-235-2164 >> Hours: Wednesdays 7pm-9pm; Fridays and Saturdays 9am-3pm >> >> For those of you living elsewhere around the world, the LDS home >> page < www.familysearch.org > has a search field labelled "Find a >> Library near you" (you may need to page down). >> >> The Boston Public Library has "a very comprehensive collection of >> histories of the British Isles" (Genealogist's Handbook for New >> England Research (1985 ISBN 0-88082-011-X). Have you checked out >> these resources? Remember, "New England" got its name for a reason. >> >> Then there is the "New England Historic Genealogical Society", 101 >> Newbury St, Boston. This was founded in 1845 and is claimed to be >> the oldest genealogical society in the world. Have you checked out >> their resources? (I know they purchased materials such as >> microfiche transcripts and indexes of 19th century Orkney census >> records in the mid-1990s.) >> >> And what does the Harvard University library across the Charles >> River in Cambridge hold? Harvard is more than just a business >> school. >> >> I am not a member of the LDS Church, but I have worked as a >> volunteer in my local LDS library since 1991. One of things I tell >> new people is that to be successful in their research, they need to >> be related to two people: Patience and her husband Percy Vere. >> >> Happy Hunting >> >> David Armstrong >> Maylands, >> Western Australia >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Carolyn Parker >> To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 11:22 PM >> Subject: [ENG-LIV] when all else fails? >> >> >> Hi List, I am really stuck! What do you do when you feel you have >> exhausted all resources, i.e. IGI, Lanc OPR, findmypast, and >> ancestry.com? These are the databases that I have access to. I am >> searching for vital records before 1786 in Liverpool. Families: >> Isbister/Ivester, McCrum and Appleton. Any suggestions most >> appreciated. Carolyn in Boston, MA >> >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> >> Admin Message - List guidelines: >> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >> >> The list admin can be contacted at >> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hi Joan, I'll be sure to take your email with me! Thanks!! Carolyn At 10:14 AM 10/19/2009, you wrote: >Carolyn, > >As you may know go to the bottom floor, 2nd basement, in Salt >Lake. :-) There are two red headed ladies that are VERY GOOD and >helpful at the desk. One has a short haircut and the other is quite >young with very long hair. I was there in August for Liverpool research. >Also one of the volunteers Fern Hennessy is very sweet, if you run >into her be sure and say "hi" for me. Joan > > >On Oct 19, 2009, at 9:40 AM, Carolyn Parker wrote: > > > David, thanks for your advice. I guess like others, I have gotten > > lazy! need to do more than sit here at my PC!! I am going to Salt > > Lake City in January and will make use of the films there - Carolyn > > I'm a member of NEHGS as well! > > > > At 09:03 PM 10/17/2009, you wrote: > >> Carolyn, > >> > >> I note that your list of "all resources" only lists internet > >> resources. There are stacks and stacks of Church records available > >> for Liverpool which are on microfilm. They can be found on the LDS > >> catalogue at: > >> > >> > http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=topicdetails&subject=349498&subject_disp=England%2C+Lancashire%2C+Liverpool+%2D+Church+records&columns=*,0,0 > >> > >> The vast majority of these have not been indexed, let alone > >> digitised, including the Presbyterian Church records for Liverpool, > >> which is where I'd first look for anyone with the Isbister/Isvester > >> surname. Have you looked at these microfilms? Trawling through > >> theses microfilm copies of old records is what any family historian > >> had to do before we started getting spoiled by PCs in our home and > >> now by digital copies of old records on the Internet. How many have > >> you searched? (If the LDS hadn't microfilmed these records in the > >> past, there wouldn't be an IGI!) > >> > >> I note that you live in Boston. The LDS have a library in Boston, > >> into which you can order microfilms to read. Do you make effective > >> use of it? If not, then you have not exhausted all resources by a > >> very long shot. I should add that the IGI is only an index and > >> should be followed up by viewing the microfilm of the original > >> record. > >> > >> Boston Massachusetts > >> 150 Brown St > >> Weston, Middlesex, Massachusetts, United States > >> Phone: 781-235-2164 > >> Hours: Wednesdays 7pm-9pm; Fridays and Saturdays 9am-3pm > >> > >> For those of you living elsewhere around the world, the LDS home > >> page < www.familysearch.org > has a search field labelled "Find a > >> Library near you" (you may need to page down). > >> > >> The Boston Public Library has "a very comprehensive collection of > >> histories of the British Isles" (Genealogist's Handbook for New > >> England Research (1985 ISBN 0-88082-011-X). Have you checked out > >> these resources? Remember, "New England" got its name for a reason. > >> > >> Then there is the "New England Historic Genealogical Society", 101 > >> Newbury St, Boston. This was founded in 1845 and is claimed to be > >> the oldest genealogical society in the world. Have you checked out > >> their resources? (I know they purchased materials such as > >> microfiche transcripts and indexes of 19th century Orkney census > >> records in the mid-1990s.) > >> > >> And what does the Harvard University library across the Charles > >> River in Cambridge hold? Harvard is more than just a business > >> school. > >> > >> I am not a member of the LDS Church, but I have worked as a > >> volunteer in my local LDS library since 1991. One of things I tell > >> new people is that to be successful in their research, they need to > >> be related to two people: Patience and her husband Percy Vere. > >> > >> Happy Hunting > >> > >> David Armstrong > >> Maylands, > >> Western Australia > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Carolyn Parker > >> To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com > >> Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 11:22 PM > >> Subject: [ENG-LIV] when all else fails? > >> > >> > >> Hi List, I am really stuck! What do you do when you feel you have > >> exhausted all resources, i.e. IGI, Lanc OPR, findmypast, and > >> ancestry.com? These are the databases that I have access to. I am > >> searching for vital records before 1786 in Liverpool. Families: > >> Isbister/Ivester, McCrum and Appleton. Any suggestions most > >> appreciated. Carolyn in Boston, MA > >> > >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > >> > >> Admin Message - List guidelines: > >> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > >> > >> The list admin can be contacted at > >> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > > > The list admin can be contacted at > > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > >~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > >Admin Message - List guidelines: >http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > >The list admin can be contacted at >Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message