Hello Bert, It doesn't seem like your wifes ancestors are connected to Betty's Lewis family looking at the 1891 census. This is the 1891 census showing John (Lewis) Boyer and family RG12 piece 2999 folio 100 page 21 96 Brainerd Street, West Derby, Liverpool John Boyer head married 37 born 1854 West Derby Liverpool, joiner Ellen Boyer wife married 35 born 1856 Holyhead, Anglesey Herbert Boyer son 13 born 1878 West Derby Liverpool office boy Mary Boyer daughter 11 born 1880 West Derby Liverpool scholar John Boyer son 8 born 1883 Prescot Lancashire scholar William R Boyer son 3 born 1888 West Derby Liverpool William Lewis brother in law single 37 born 1854 Holyhead Anglesey, Master Mariner Marriage: Ellen Lewis and John Boyer - Dec 1876 West Derby vol 8b page 838 St Mary the Virgin, West Derby. birth: Herbert Louis Boyer - Sep 1877 West Derby vol 8b page 575 birth: Mary Jane L (Lewis?) Boyer - Dec 1879 West Derby vol 8b page 597 birth: John Lewis Boyer - Sep 1882 Prescot vol 8b page 730 Birth: William Richard L (Lewis?) Boyer - June 1887 West Derby vol 8b page 618 This is Captain William Lewis from Lloyds Captain Registers http://www.history.ac.uk/gh/capsL.pdf Lewis, William born Holyhead 1853 (certificate no) C01998 Liverpool 1888 Volume 36, 1886-1887; volume 51, 1889, 1892-1894 It is possible to purchase copies of a Captains certificates of competency, details are on this website http://www.nmm.ac.uk/explore/collections/by-type/archive-and-library/item-of-the-month/previous/masters-certificates The cost is £23.50, there is a form to fill in I have a copy that I can send if you can't find it on their website. Marriage: Herbert Louis Boyer and Sarah Pendleton - Sep 1899 Prescot vol 8b page 1279 Marriage: 7 Sep 1899 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England Herbert Louis Boyer - 22 Joiner Bachelor of 46.S.Helens Rd Prescot Sarah Pendleton - 22 Spinster of 8 Ward St Prescot Groom's Father: John Boyer, Joiner Bride's Father: Peter Pendleton, deceased, Watchmaker Witness: Peter Pendleton; Elizabeth Pendleton Married by Banns by: Richard Freeman (curate) Register: Marriages 1892 - 1900, Page 127, Entry 253 death: Herbert Louis Boyer aged 0 - June 1910 Prescot vol 8b page 429 marriage John Lewis Boyer - Dec 1906 Prescot vol 8b page 1149 marriage: William Lewis Boyer and Ellen Basnett - Sep 1909 Prescot vol 8b page 1189 1911 census Prescot Lancashire Herbert Louis Boyer 34 born 1877 Sarah Boyer 33 born 1878 Elizabeth Boyer 10 born 1901 Ada Audrey Boyer 9 born 1902 Harry Boyer 7 born 1904 Hilda Boyer 5 born 1906 Annie Boyer 4 born 1907 Sarah Boyer 3 born 1908 1911 census Prescot Lancashire William Boyer 23 born 1888 Ellen Boyer 21 born 1890 John Boyer 1 born 1910 1911 census Prescot Lancashire John Lewis Boyer 28 born 1883 Janet Boyer 27 born 1884 Mary Berry Boyer 6 born 1905 There is information on this website about Herbert Louis Boyer who died during the first world war http://www.prescot-rollofhonour.info/30.html William Richard Lewis Boyer is shown on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission website http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=103040 Possible 1861 census for the Lewis family RG09 piece 4372 folio 87 page 4 Bone Y Wane, Holyhead, Anglesey William Lewis head 31 born 1830 Aberffran Anglesey, stocker Jane Lewis wife 34 born 1827 Holyhead Anglesey John Lewis son 9 born 1852 Holyhead Anglesey William Lewis son 7 born 1854 Holyhead Anglesey Ellin Lewis daughter 5 born 1856 Holyhead Anglesey Elizabeth Lewis daughter 3 born 1858 Holyhead Anglesey Robert Lewis son 1 born 1860 Holyhead Anglesey possible marriage: William Lewis and Jane Hughes - Sep 1851 Anglesey vol 27 page 471 possible birth: Ellen Lewis - Dec 1856 Anglesey vol 11b page 509 posible birth Ellen Lewis - March 1855 Anglesey vol 11b page 539 possible birth Robert Lewis- Dec 1859 Anglesey vol 11b page 522 Regards Claire ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty" <bbffrrpp@comcast.net> To: <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [LAN] Fw: RICHARD LEWIS > Hi again, > > I just had another thought. Richard and Elizabeth, the parents, had 2 > daughters. I don't think we have found the oldest, Ann LEWIS, in census > information, so she might have married by the 1851 census. If so, I > wouldn't know her married name. And, the 2nd daughter, Sarah LEWIS, was > still single at Age 50 and was living with one of her brothers. > > Then, between 1871 and 1881, William and Sarah LEWIS had about 8 or 9 > children, and they included about 5 daughters. So, by 1891, the older > daughters might have been married and having children. So, there could > be a connection. > > Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: H Todd > To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 1:51 PM > Subject: RICHARD LEWIS > > > Hi > On my wife's side of the family tree, there is a Richard Lewis Boyer, and > a > john Lewis Boyer, from West Derby born around 1890s. could they have been > part of you family research? I have very little information on them, bur > if > you think that it will help I can mail it to you > Cheers H T > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Responses to gatewayed posts must be made on the message board, not the > list. Just click on the link provided to go to the message on the board. > Your response will then also flow to the list. > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message