I must apoligise profusely for neglecting to thank the folk who answeredmy request ,sadly no members that I knew where located ,I can recall the cafe at Two Mills ,but I think that we used the cafe at Loggerheds further into Wales I would suggest that Paul and Sylviaare a bit confused though ie the Cat and Fiddle was the hill in Derbyshire on the way to Buxton and Macclesfield ,the main steep climb before Ruthin was the Bwlch,which was worth the effort to glide down through the lovely vale of Clwyd . Beryl Burgess mentions the Pathfinders Club I din,t recall this club they might hace been members of who where our rivals ,we wher in the B L R C the British League of Racing Cyclists . Before concluding I must mention againKen and Norma who forwarded the wonderful photo of Ossie Dover the Cyclist Tailor John Maddocks New Zealand