Hi Betty, Have you seen this possible John? JOHN RYALL - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 04 OCT 1813 Bird Bush Independent, Donhead Saint Mary, Wiltshire, England Regards, Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: "betty" <bkrhodes@bigpond.net.au> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 00:24 Subject: [ENG-LIV] RYALL & NEWBIGGING > Hello from OZ. > > I am new to the List and would appreciate HELP if possible (please) > > Have interests in Liverpool of the following. > > RYALL JOHN (Joiner) father of Frederick RYALL > > NEWBIGGING THOMAS (Merchant)>> father of Ann NEWBIGGING>> who married > Frederick > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Frederick RYALL married Ann NEWBIGGING at St Silas C of E Liverpool on > 15th Nov 1852 . > address given.. Erskine St. > > . 2 chidren born to them . > John Thomas 1853 & David 1856 > The family left Liverpool for Australia Sept 1857>>> on the ship SARAH > DIXON > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Having difficulty finding the Ancestors of Frederick RYALL . > . altho' his father JOHN RYALL ( born 1811/16 >> Bath Somerset > ??.<<unconfirmed>). > was living in Liverpool and a witness to the marriage. > > > Data has it that John married twice. I believe Frederick was his eldest > child and in the 1841 census > was in a workhouse at MERE Wilts? with 2 brothers Edward & Charles. > > John re-married >>> Margaret.???? - no record of the marriage > ( assume the mother of the childen died > thus the workhouse /orphanage > 1841) > the family were in Liverpool 1851 census... > > Sorry for the Ramble.. . IF information on JOHN RYALL can be gleaned > or a pointer to where i might find a clue.. > Margaret & John could have died in Liverpool..??? > > Thank-you in anticipation > > Betty (OZ) > > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 132 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Joan Sorry for the LATE Response.. NO Luck there.. >From various sources/census I keep getting born BATH Somerset....(Joiner by trade > that was probably known as a Journeyman in those days . they went where there was work... "A double brick wall".. Thank-you for your reply. betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Rooney" <mc.rooney@sympatico.ca> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 1:41 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] RYALL & NEWBIGGING > Hi Betty, > > Have you seen this possible John? > > JOHN RYALL - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Male Christening: 04 OCT 1813 Bird Bush Independent, Donhead Saint > Mary, Wiltshire, England > > Regards, > Joan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "betty" <bkrhodes@bigpond.net.au> > To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 00:24 > Subject: [ENG-LIV] RYALL & NEWBIGGING > > >> Hello from OZ. >> >> I am new to the List and would appreciate HELP if possible (please) >> >> Have interests in Liverpool of the following. >> >> RYALL JOHN (Joiner) father of Frederick RYALL >> >> NEWBIGGING THOMAS (Merchant)>> father of Ann NEWBIGGING>> who married >> Frederick >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> Frederick RYALL married Ann NEWBIGGING at St Silas C of E Liverpool on >> 15th Nov 1852 . >> address given.. Erskine St. >> >> . 2 chidren born to them . >> John Thomas 1853 & David 1856 >> The family left Liverpool for Australia Sept 1857>>> on the ship SARAH >> DIXON >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Having difficulty finding the Ancestors of Frederick RYALL . >> . altho' his father JOHN RYALL ( born 1811/16 >> Bath Somerset >> ??.<<unconfirmed>). >> was living in Liverpool and a witness to the marriage. >> >> >> Data has it that John married twice. I believe Frederick was his eldest >> child and in the 1841 census >> was in a workhouse at MERE Wilts? with 2 brothers Edward & Charles. >> >> John re-married >>> Margaret.???? - no record of the marriage >> ( assume the mother of the childen died > thus the workhouse /orphanage >> 1841) >> the family were in Liverpool 1851 census... >> >> Sorry for the Ramble.. . IF information on JOHN RYALL can be gleaned >> or a pointer to where i might find a clue.. >> Margaret & John could have died in Liverpool..??? >> >> Thank-you in anticipation >> >> Betty (OZ) >> >> >> >> -- >> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. >> We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. >> SPAMfighter has removed 132 of my spam emails to date. >> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >> >> The Professional version does not have this message >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> >> Admin Message - List guidelines: >> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >> >> The list admin can be contacted at >> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 147 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

A journeyman is a timed served tradesman who was entitled to a daily wage (fr Journee). It does not refer in any way to the worker being itinerant. Whilst people have always travelled for work this wasn't easy until quite recently because the authorities did not like unemployed people arriving in their parishes. And if you think about it most places already had plenty of joiners of their own. But the large centres of expansion did suck in workers of all grades from the surrounding counties and beyond. There are actually demographic maps of this process. And of course you can see it in the census. 1841 falls in the period known as the Hungry Forties. If the family were economically distressed at that time it would make sense to up and move to the biggest centre they could think of. Mere by the way is about 25 miles from Bath, and in those days that was a reasonable day's walk for a man in his prime. 50 miles was not unheard of. Judy On 21 Sep 2009, at 05:33, betty wrote: > Hi Joan > Sorry for the LATE Response.. > NO Luck there.. >> From various sources/census I keep getting born BATH Somerset.... >> (Joiner by > trade > > that was probably known as a Journeyman in those days . they > went where > there was work... > "A double brick wall".. > Thank-you for your reply. > betty