Hello Helen, The burial records for Toxteth Park Cemetery are being transcribed on this website (currently from 1856-1934) http://www.toxtethparkcemetery.co.uk/ The Liverpool City Council website has maps of all the cemeteries http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/Community_and_living/your_life/Deaths/Cemeteries_and_crematoria/index.asp This website has a few inscriptions from Toxteth Park Cemetery http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~toxtethparkcemetery/ Regards Claire ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen McNamara" <hennymac@snap.net.nz> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Toxteth Park >I would like to know also > Helen McNamara > New Zealand > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <citizenuk@aol.com> > To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:32 AM > Subject: [ENG-LIV] Toxteth Park > > >> >> Could somebody please send me the web address of Toxteth Park Cemetery. >> >> Thanks much. >> >> >> Bryan Briscoe-Smith >> Email: citizenuk@aol.com >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> >> Admin Message - List guidelines: >> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >> >> The list admin can be contacted at >> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.62/2499 - Release Date: 11/12/09 > 14:33:00 > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
The Toxteth Park Cemetery site, that Claire mentions, http://www.toxtethparkcemetery.co.uk/, has to be one of the finest in the country. It is an absolute labour of love. The transcriptions currently being made, from the dedication of the cemetery in 1856, could not be more comprehensive; name, abode, section number and actual plot number. Link the latter with the section/plot maps that are also available, and you are right on the spot were your ancestor was buried. A year back, I went a step further for my own searches, and superimposed the sections on a current google earth map and then printed that out. A friend went a stage further, and used her gps to add in the co-ordinates for the plots. Last April, armed with the location of some 23 of my forebears, we set off to discover their resting places. Access to the cemetery was easy, and we were able to park conveniently within the grounds. Sadly, however, despite high expectations, we were unable to discover any stonework, vertical or flat, relating to any of my ancestors. In one instance, on an early unconsecrated section, where I had two ancestors buried, just a single solitary headstone showed through the well mown grass. That particular section now seemed in current use for rememberance. Obviously, much work has been done in recent years in renovating this very large South Liverpool resting place. Someone, with more detailed knowledge than myself, should be able to give more detail. However, some sections, because of the their "high" contour, gave the impression that they had been totally covered over, headstones included. Nonetheless, I would not put anyone off making their own searches in a similar way that I did; there are many thousands of graves still visible, and legible. Just to have the data from http://www.toxtethparkcemetery.co.uk/ is a big bonus for me. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claire" <ocean9@tiscali.co.uk> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Toxteth Park > Hello Helen, > > The burial records for Toxteth Park Cemetery are being transcribed on this > website (currently from 1856-1934) http://www.toxtethparkcemetery.co.uk/ > > The Liverpool City Council website has maps of all the cemeteries > http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/Community_and_living/your_life/Deaths/Cemeteries_and_crematoria/index.asp > > This website has a few inscriptions from Toxteth Park Cemetery > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~toxtethparkcemetery/ > > Regards > > Claire > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Helen McNamara" <hennymac@snap.net.nz> > To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 9:58 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Toxteth Park > > >>I would like to know also >> Helen McNamara >> New Zealand >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <citizenuk@aol.com> >> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:32 AM >> Subject: [ENG-LIV] Toxteth Park >> >> >>> >>> Could somebody please send me the web address of Toxteth Park Cemetery. >>> >>> Thanks much. >>> >>> >>> Bryan Briscoe-Smith >>> Email: citizenuk@aol.com >>> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >>> >>> Admin Message - List guidelines: >>> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >>> >>> The list admin can be contacted at >>> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.62/2499 - Release Date: >> 11/12/09 >> 14:33:00 >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> >> Admin Message - List guidelines: >> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >> >> The list admin can be contacted at >> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Mike, I had a similar experience in returning to Merseyside years ago after a then 38 year absence. I was disappointed to find that my Standish kin had no stonework etc to mark their resting places. Then I realized that the Toxteth Park had a large population of working class folks and many of them including my kin lived in the dreaded "Courts" and most likely could not afford any indication to their grave. Others died in the workhouse and would have been buried in a section reserved for that purpose so no indications existed in this area also. One thing I must say is that an employee at the cemetery went to great lengths to help me locate the burial plots, such courtesy, patience and helpfulness is rarely seen these days. A belated hats off the the staff at Toxteth Park cemetery Dave D. > Last April, armed with the location of some 23 of my forebears, we set off > to discover their resting places. Access to the cemetery was easy, and we > were able to park conveniently within the grounds. Sadly, however, despite > high expectations, we were unable to discover any stonework, vertical or > flat, relating to any of my ancestors. In one instance, on an early > unconsecrated section, where I had two ancestors buried, just a single > solitary headstone showed through the well mown grass. That particular > section now seemed in current use for rememberance.
Hi I'd like to chime in on this discussion to let you know that the same thing happened to me in New York City while searching for an 1873 grave! I arrived with my digital camera and great hope. At the cemetery's office I was directed to the location but there was only grass there. Upon questioning the staff I was told that not everyone could afford a stone or other marker or it could have been of poor quality and it decomposed; or buried by wind swept rain,dirt and leaves. Very disappointing!! Carolyn At 09:35 AM 11/13/2009, you wrote: >Mike, I had a similar experience in returning to Merseyside years ago after >a then 38 year absence. I was disappointed to find that my Standish kin had >no stonework etc to mark their resting places. Then I realized that the >Toxteth Park had a large population of working class folks and many of them >including my kin lived in the dreaded "Courts" and most likely could not >afford any indication to their grave. Others died in the workhouse and would >have been buried in a section reserved for that purpose so no indications >existed in this area also. >One thing I must say is that an employee at the cemetery went to great >lengths to help me locate the burial plots, such courtesy, patience and >helpfulness is rarely seen these days. >A belated hats off the the staff at Toxteth Park cemetery > >Dave D. > > > Last April, armed with the location of some 23 of my forebears, we set off > > to discover their resting places. Access to the cemetery was easy, and we > > were able to park conveniently within the grounds. Sadly, however, despite > > high expectations, we were unable to discover any stonework, vertical or > > flat, relating to any of my ancestors. In one instance, on an early > > unconsecrated section, where I had two ancestors buried, just a single > > solitary headstone showed through the well mown grass. That particular > > section now seemed in current use for rememberance. > > >~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > >Admin Message - List guidelines: >http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > >The list admin can be contacted at >Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi I live in Liverpool and would just like to clarify a couple of things. If a person died in a workhouse, had no relatives, no money and no family plot, then the usual thing was to bury them in a public grave along with maybe five others. There would be no stone or marker, so all you see is grass. I mainly concern myself with Anfield Cemetery and if you look at some of the burial records it is not unusal to see the same plot number against different names, it also says public grave. A lot of people have mentioned to me about the 1000,s of stones that are laying down, some say vandalism, which isn't true. It is for health and safety reasons as the stones are unsafe and could fall over killing someone, hence why they are pushed over, and it is the plot.s owners responsability to sort it out, but, as most are over 100 years old the family has either died out, or moved. Liverpool council are slowly re-erecting them by digging down about 2 foot and putting the stone back vertical. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Parker" <ca.parker@comcast.net> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Toxteth Park cemetery .. > Hi > I'd like to chime in on this discussion to let you know that the same > thing happened to me in New York City while searching for an 1873 > grave! I arrived with my digital camera and great hope. At the > cemetery's office I was directed to the location but there was only > grass there. Upon questioning the staff I was told that not everyone > could afford a stone or other marker or it could have been of poor > quality and it decomposed; or buried by wind swept rain,dirt and > leaves. Very disappointing!! > Carolyn > > At 09:35 AM 11/13/2009, you wrote: >>Mike, I had a similar experience in returning to Merseyside years ago >>after >>a then 38 year absence. I was disappointed to find that my Standish kin >>had >>no stonework etc to mark their resting places. Then I realized that the >>Toxteth Park had a large population of working class folks and many of >>them >>including my kin lived in the dreaded "Courts" and most likely could not >>afford any indication to their grave. Others died in the workhouse and >>would >>have been buried in a section reserved for that purpose so no indications >>existed in this area also. >>One thing I must say is that an employee at the cemetery went to great >>lengths to help me locate the burial plots, such courtesy, patience and >>helpfulness is rarely seen these days. >>A belated hats off the the staff at Toxteth Park cemetery >> >>Dave D. >> >> > Last April, armed with the location of some 23 of my forebears, we set >> > off >> > to discover their resting places. Access to the cemetery was easy, and >> > we >> > were able to park conveniently within the grounds. Sadly, however, >> > despite >> > high expectations, we were unable to discover any stonework, vertical >> > or >> > flat, relating to any of my ancestors. In one instance, on an early >> > unconsecrated section, where I had two ancestors buried, just a single >> > solitary headstone showed through the well mown grass. That particular >> > section now seemed in current use for rememberance. >> >> >>~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> >>Admin Message - List guidelines: >>http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >> >>The list admin can be contacted at >>Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Well said Mike! Joan in the USA On Nov 13, 2009, at 5:35 AM, Mike Jones wrote: > The Toxteth Park Cemetery site, that Claire mentions, > http://www.toxtethparkcemetery.co.uk/, has to be one of the finest > in the > country. It is an absolute labour of love. The transcriptions > currently > being made, from the dedication of the cemetery in 1856, could not > be more > comprehensive; name, abode, section number and actual plot number. > Link the > latter with the section/plot maps that are also available, and you > are right > on the spot were your ancestor was buried. > > > > A year back, I went a step further for my own searches, and > superimposed the > sections on a current google earth map and then printed that out. A > friend > went a stage further, and used her gps to add in the co-ordinates > for the > plots. > > > > Last April, armed with the location of some 23 of my forebears, we > set off > to discover their resting places. Access to the cemetery was easy, > and we > were able to park conveniently within the grounds. Sadly, however, > despite > high expectations, we were unable to discover any stonework, > vertical or > flat, relating to any of my ancestors. In one instance, on an early > unconsecrated section, where I had two ancestors buried, just a single > solitary headstone showed through the well mown grass. That particular > section now seemed in current use for rememberance. > > > > Obviously, much work has been done in recent years in renovating > this very > large South Liverpool resting place. Someone, with more detailed > knowledge > than myself, should be able to give more detail. However, some > sections, > because of the their "high" contour, gave the impression that they > had been > totally covered over, headstones included. > > > > Nonetheless, I would not put anyone off making their own searches in a > similar way that I did; there are many thousands of graves still > visible, > and legible. Just to have the data from > http://www.toxtethparkcemetery.co.uk/ is a big bonus for me. > > > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Claire" <ocean9@tiscali.co.uk> > To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 10:37 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Toxteth Park > > >> Hello Helen, >> >> The burial records for Toxteth Park Cemetery are being transcribed >> on this >> website (currently from 1856-1934) http://www.toxtethparkcemetery.co.uk/ >> >> The Liverpool City Council website has maps of all the cemeteries >> http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/Community_and_living/your_life/Deaths/Cemeteries_and_crematoria/index.asp >> >> This website has a few inscriptions from Toxteth Park Cemetery >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> ~toxtethparkcemetery/ >> >> Regards >> >> Claire >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Helen McNamara" <hennymac@snap.net.nz> >> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 9:58 PM >> Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Toxteth Park >> >> >>> I would like to know also >>> Helen McNamara >>> New Zealand >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <citizenuk@aol.com> >>> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:32 AM >>> Subject: [ENG-LIV] Toxteth Park >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Could somebody please send me the web address of Toxteth Park >>>> Cemetery. >>>> >>>> Thanks much. >>>> >>>> >>>> Bryan Briscoe-Smith >>>> Email: citizenuk@aol.com >>>> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >>>> >>>> Admin Message - List guidelines: >>>> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >>>> >>>> The list admin can be contacted at >>>> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without >>>> the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.62/2499 - Release Date: >>> 11/12/09 >>> 14:33:00 >>> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >>> >>> Admin Message - List guidelines: >>> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/ >>> AdminMessage.htm >>> >>> The list admin can be contacted at >>> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> >> Admin Message - List guidelines: >> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >> >> The list admin can be contacted at >> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.698 / Virus Database: 270.14.62/2499 - Release Date: > 11/12/09 > 14:33:00 > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.698 / Virus Database: 270.14.62/2499 - Release Date: > 11/12/09 14:33:00 > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message