Hi list I am hoping someone can help me out or give me some direction. Recently I ordered a death cert for 1855 - I was MOST pleased with the service of the Liverpool Records Office - however - not at all pleased with the information on said certificate. I know I may well be naive - but I was hoping for (given it was for a widowed woman) her parents name/s or even her issue? You see in Australia that is what we get on our death certificates - even back in the mid 1800's - is there anyway I can find out this woman's parents names (Maiden Name) or the name of her children?? What I have on the death certificate is: Sub District of Saint Martin, County of Lancaster Maria YOUNG d 27 Apr 1855 age 67 - Widow of James YOUNG (still dont know when he died) Tailor - Master at (what looks like) 1b Court Bond Street Cause of Death - Rheumatism (certified) Informant Details - Mark of Mary DOLBIN, Bond St, Liverpool This lady, along with her husband James YOUNG had what I believe is 9 children born in the Cumberland area - the youngest Maria - direct ancestor (b 1824 & Bap in the Harrington Habour) was living with her mum Maria Sr in Toxteth Park at the time of the 1851 Census - Maria Jr with her Husband William Robinson JACKSON and their children William Robinson Jr, Mary and James emigrated to Australia in 1853 - Maria Jr's father James YOUNG died sometime between 1841 and 1851. The YOUNG family were living in Toxteth at the time of the 1841 census I have no information on Maria Jrs siblings - but I do know that one of them is Mary (bap" 1816 Workington, Cumberland) so I will look into the possiblity she married a DOLBIN. I believe that Maria YOUNG Sr maiden name was DONALDSON and she was born in Ireland c1784-1788 - taken from Census and Death Cert info. Maria Jr was know to use the Maiden name of MERRIN - but I am not sure where she got this from. Any help, hints or direction would be most welcome. I look forward to hearing from you. Cheers Virginia Hot and Dustry Mount Isa!! _________________________________________________________________ Use Messenger in your Hotmail inbox Find out how http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/hotmail/article/823454/web-im-for-hotmail-is-here

Hi Virginia E & W death certificates are of limited use in tracing family members of the deceased. Sometimes you are lucky when the informant turns out to be a relative of whom you have never previously heard, or provides or proves a link you may have suspected (when the informant is a nephew, or a married daughter (as is possible in your DOLBIN case), for instance). Sometimes also, the address where the death took place is useful if you can find from other sources who else lived there at the time. However, the main use is in providing the nature of the death, thus giving you very often a clue as to how the deceased lived. I wish I could afford to buy death certificates as a matter of course, as if you get details of the deaths of a whole family, it gives you a very important window on their family life. Marriage and birth certificates are the only ones of real use in proving connections to earlier generations. Birth certificates should give you the mother's maiden name, although no other details of her parentage, and wedding certs the full names and occupations of the fathers of each of the parties to the marriage (though nothing about the mothers). Unfortunately, James and Maria Sr were born and married before civil registration began on July 1, 1837, and it appears that all their children were born before that date, too, so certificates are of no use to you in finding Maria the elder's parents. You will have to consult parish registers, or such possibly relevant non-conformist registers as you can find. They will have married during the era (1753-1837) when nearly everybody (i.e. all except Quakers and Jews) had to be married in the C of E Parish Church where one of them lived, so personally I would in the first instance look for the marriage. If one of them lived out of the parish, you should find from the entry the parish they lived in, and you will get confirmation of Maria the elder's maiden name. Depending on when and where the marriage took place you may be lucky and find reference to a parent or parents in the register, but this is by no means certain. If you are right about their family being born in Cumberland, it is likely they married there, too and that her husband was born there. However, it is certainly possible that they met and married in Liverpool, especially if Maria was Irish. If you are wrong about Maria being born in Ireland (and you probably aren't), you will then have to look for her baptism, starting in the parish where she lived at the time of the marriage. Baptisms did not have to take place in a C of E establishment, so there is a greater number of possible options than with the marriage. It is by no means certain that she will have lived all her life in the parish you have identified, but is quite likely. If she was born in Ireland, you will need an expert in Irish ancestry to help you further with Maria's baptism and parentage, but the principles of the procedure are the same. If you are lucky, you might find baptism and marriage records transcribed on the IGI or freeREG (there is no OPC project for Cumberland), otherwise you will have to find out where the registers (or copies or transcriptions) are from GENUKI and get an agent to search for you. There may be a list such as this one where you can appeal for information, too, or perhaps there is a CD you can buy from the relevant FHS. If the LDS has a film of the registers concerned, and you live near an LDS Family History Centre, you may be able to order the film/s for consultation there. There is probably no point looking for one of Maria's children's baptisms in the hope of confirming her birth name as it is very unlikely Maria's maiden name will be recorded. Maria's baptism record should give the father's full name (and usually the mother's Christian name). You then have to look for their marriage to get the mother's maiden name and so on. I hope this is of some help. Please contact me on or off list if you would like any further guidance. Best wishes Allen Williams Sale Cheshire On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:55:47 -0000, Virginia HILLS <veez1310@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hi list > > I am hoping someone can help me out or give me some direction. > > Recently I ordered a death cert for 1855 - I was MOST pleased with the > service of the Liverpool Records Office - however - not at all pleased > with the information on said certificate. > > I know I may well be naive - but I was hoping for (given it was for a > widowed woman) her parents name/s or even her issue? > > I have no information on Maria Jrs siblings - but I do know that one of > them is Mary (bap" 1816 Workington, Cumberland) so I will look into the > possiblity she married a DOLBIN. > > I believe that Maria YOUNG Sr maiden name was DONALDSON and she was born > in Ireland c1784-1788 - taken from Census and Death Cert info. > > Maria Jr was know to use the Maiden name of MERRIN - but I am not sure > where she got this from. > > Any help, hints or direction would be most welcome. > > I look forward to hearing from you. > > Cheers > > Virginia > Hot and Dustry Mount Isa!! > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/