----- Original Message ----- From: <GILLIAN52@aol.com> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 8:39 PM Subject: [ENG-LIV] REFORM SCHOOL >I would like to know if possible where my great grandmother would have > been sent. She was 13 years old and convicted of Larceny and her sentence > was 14 days in prison and 5 years in a reform school. She lived in > Liverpool > and it was the year 1865. I've tried googling reform schools in Liverpool > but > all it seems to come up with is for boys her name was Martha Breckell, > would appreciate any advice. Gillian, Martha was sent to the Liverpool Reformatory School for Girls, Mount Vernon Green, Edge Hill, Liverpool. Following her trial, the newspaper 'The Daily Courier' Saturday, March 11th 1865, printed the following... "Martha Breckell, 35, Rose Breckell, 30, and Martha Breckell 14, and Mary Carter 58, were charged, the three first prisoners with having stolen some boots, handkerchiefs and other articles belonging to Messrs.J.R.Jeffery and Co., and Mary Carter with having received part of the property, knowing it to have been stolen. The elder Breckell was sentenced to eight months, Rose Breckell to four months and Martha Breckell the younger to fourteen days imprisonment, and to be sent to the Edge Hill Reformatory for five years, and Mary Carter to eight months imprisonment". The Liverpool Quarter Sessions, Home Office Returns Register 9th March 1865, recorded young Martha's sentence as "Imprisonment 14 days and then to be sent to Liverpool Reformatory for girls - Mount Vernon Green for 5 years". Regards, John Hardy.

John, do you happen to know just where in Mount Vernon the reform school was situated. I ask because I grew up in Edge Hill. My grandfather married my grandmother at St. Mary's church in 1904 and the marriage certificate shows him living at #3 Back Mount Vernon Green and Grandma living at #1 Irvine Street (a still exisiting pub - Mount Vernon Hotel). (I never knew my Grandpa to take a drink stronger than sarsasparilla). I had family living in Albany Road that abuts Mount Vernon Green; I recall the Lybro factory but that's it. As far as schools for naughty kids were concerned my Dad often threatened he'd send me to "Queenie Street where they pin your ears back" - that was Queensland Street Industrial school near Overton Street. Bill in Nanaimo ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hardy" <jwhardy@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com>; <Lancsgen-L-request@rootsweb.co> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 4:05 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] REFORM SCHOOL > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <GILLIAN52@aol.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 8:39 PM > Subject: [ENG-LIV] REFORM SCHOOL > >>I would like to know if possible where my great grandmother would have >> been sent. She was 13 years old and convicted of Larceny and her >> sentence >> was 14 days in prison and 5 years in a reform school. She lived in >> Liverpool >> and it was the year 1865. I've tried googling reform schools in >> Liverpool >> but >> all it seems to come up with is for boys her name was Martha Breckell, >> would appreciate any advice. > > Gillian, > > Martha was sent to the Liverpool Reformatory School for Girls, Mount > Vernon > Green, Edge Hill, Liverpool. > > Following her trial, the newspaper 'The Daily Courier' Saturday, March > 11th > 1865, printed the following... > > "Martha Breckell, 35, Rose Breckell, 30, and Martha Breckell 14, and Mary > Carter 58, were charged, the three first prisoners with having stolen some > boots, handkerchiefs and other articles belonging to Messrs.J.R.Jeffery > and > Co., and Mary Carter with having received part of the property, knowing it > to have been stolen. The elder Breckell was sentenced to eight months, > Rose > Breckell to four months and Martha Breckell the younger to fourteen days > imprisonment, and to be sent to the Edge Hill Reformatory for five years, > and Mary Carter to eight months imprisonment". > > The Liverpool Quarter Sessions, Home Office Returns Register 9th March > 1865, > recorded young Martha's sentence as "Imprisonment 14 days and then to be > sent to Liverpool Reformatory for girls - Mount Vernon Green for 5 years". > > Regards, > John Hardy. > > > > > > > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HI Gill, i have a copy of the article from The Times newspaper and can send it to you if you have not got one. It gives a bit more detail on Martha's case than the Daily Courier. Kathy Wirral -------------------------------------------------- From: "John Hardy" <jwhardy@blueyonder.co.uk> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:05 PM To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com>; <Lancsgen-L-request@rootsweb.co> Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] REFORM SCHOOL > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <GILLIAN52@aol.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 8:39 PM > Subject: [ENG-LIV] REFORM SCHOOL > >>I would like to know if possible where my great grandmother would have >> been sent. She was 13 years old and convicted of Larceny and her >> sentence >> was 14 days in prison and 5 years in a reform school. She lived in >> Liverpool >> and it was the year 1865. I've tried googling reform schools in >> Liverpool >> but >> all it seems to come up with is for boys her name was Martha Breckell, >> would appreciate any advice. > > Gillian, > > Martha was sent to the Liverpool Reformatory School for Girls, Mount > Vernon > Green, Edge Hill, Liverpool. > > Following her trial, the newspaper 'The Daily Courier' Saturday, March > 11th > 1865, printed the following... > > "Martha Breckell, 35, Rose Breckell, 30, and Martha Breckell 14, and Mary > Carter 58, were charged, the three first prisoners with having stolen some > boots, handkerchiefs and other articles belonging to Messrs.J.R.Jeffery > and > Co., and Mary Carter with having received part of the property, knowing it > to have been stolen. The elder Breckell was sentenced to eight months, > Rose > Breckell to four months and Martha Breckell the younger to fourteen days > imprisonment, and to be sent to the Edge Hill Reformatory for five years, > and Mary Carter to eight months imprisonment". > > The Liverpool Quarter Sessions, Home Office Returns Register 9th March > 1865, > recorded young Martha's sentence as "Imprisonment 14 days and then to be > sent to Liverpool Reformatory for girls - Mount Vernon Green for 5 years". > > Regards, > John Hardy. > > > > > > > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >