Hi Sue, I don't actually believe it be carelessness - I have found that it's frequently just plain laziness. Family history has become such a popular pursuit and the advent of the internet has led many to believe that if they just hop online, they'll have their entire family history back to Adam and Eve in a single afternoon. Of course, Ancestry doesn't help the situation with its One World Tree feature which tries frantically to connect your rellies with everyone else's! As a professional researcher, I find it offensive when people blithely help themselves to the work I have spent more than a decade on and then either refuse to answer my polite enquiries as to just how they think their often inaccurate information ties in with with mine, or else insist on a link even when I send them proof that they're barking up the wrong family tree! At one point I had to get the administrators of GenesReunited involved to stop the harrassing e-mails I was getting from one particular indivdual, and all because I asked him for the evidence that my grandfather's first wife was in actuality his great-grandmothe,r as he refused to accept my diligent - and throughly sourced - research. I have long since stopped updating the trees I have posted on Rootsweb/Ancestry and GR. I'm accessible by e-mail and if anyone wants to contact me, I'm always more than happy to help. Everyone should be wary of possible links found online. Do your own research and find the evidence to corroborate what you've found. To do anything else is just dishonest. Here endeth my rant....;-)) Karen in Ontario _________________________________________________________________ Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354

Well SAID Karen!!! Sandra In West midlands.. -----Original Message----- From: eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Karen Sorrell Sent: 17 August 2009 02:01 To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Wrong Ancestors Hi Sue, I don't actually believe it be carelessness - I have found that it's frequently just plain laziness. Family history has become such a popular pursuit and the advent of the internet has led many to believe that if they just hop online, they'll have their entire family history back to Adam and Eve in a single afternoon. Of course, Ancestry doesn't help the situation with its One World Tree feature which tries frantically to connect your rellies with everyone else's! As a professional researcher, I find it offensive when people blithely help themselves to the work I have spent more than a decade on and then either refuse to answer my polite enquiries as to just how they think their often inaccurate information ties in with with mine, or else insist on a link even when I send them proof that they're barking up the wrong family tree! At one point I had to get the administrators of GenesReunited involved to stop the harrassing e-mails I was getting from one particular indivdual, and all because I asked him for the evidence that my grandfather's first wife was in actuality his great-grandmothe,r as he refused to accept my diligent - and throughly sourced - research. I have long since stopped updating the trees I have posted on Rootsweb/Ancestry and GR. I'm accessible by e-mail and if anyone wants to contact me, I'm always more than happy to help. Everyone should be wary of possible links found online. Do your own research and find the evidence to corroborate what you've found. To do anything else is just dishonest. Here endeth my rant....;-)) Karen in Ontario _________________________________________________________________ Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.58/2306 - Release Date: 08/16/09 06:09:00

I agree and very well said - I stopped using GR and deleted my tree because of people breaking my copy right - and just forwarding my tree to all unsundry - I've work for 20 years one slow hard slog putting every thing together - I'm very protective of my work. Audrey O'Keefe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Sorrell" <sorrellk@hotmail.com> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 2:01 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Wrong Ancestors > > Hi Sue, > > I don't actually believe it be carelessness - I have found that it's > frequently just plain laziness. Family history has become such a popular > pursuit and the advent of the internet has led many to believe that if > they just hop online, they'll have their entire family history back to > Adam and Eve in a single afternoon. Of course, Ancestry doesn't help the > situation with its One World Tree feature which tries frantically to > connect your rellies with everyone else's! > > As a professional researcher, I find it offensive when people blithely > help themselves to the work I have spent more than a decade on and then > either refuse to answer my polite enquiries as to just how they think > their often inaccurate information ties in with with mine, or else insist > on a link even when I send them proof that they're barking up the wrong > family tree! At one point I had to get the administrators of GenesReunited > involved to stop the harrassing e-mails I was getting from one particular > indivdual, and all because I asked him for the evidence that my > grandfather's first wife was in actuality his great-grandmothe,r as he > refused to accept my diligent - and throughly sourced - research. > > I have long since stopped updating the trees I have posted on > Rootsweb/Ancestry and GR. I'm accessible by e-mail and if anyone wants to > contact me, I'm always more than happy to help. Everyone should be wary of > possible links found online. Do your own research and find the evidence to > corroborate what you've found. To do anything else is just dishonest. > > Here endeth my rant....;-)) > > Karen in Ontario > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I think you have hit the nail on the head there - if you don't want to share your work with all and sundry then just don't use the online trees! Keep your tree on your own computer. I have taken a somewhat opposing stance with my work - online trees are for sharing. So many people have helped me and contributed over the years that I am happy effectively to put my tree in the public domain, so it is on Rootsweb, Ancestry and GR. (naturally I always, I hope, get the necessary prior permissions to incorporate others' work, and I find most are happy to agree) Back to Liverpool - one of my worst experiences was having to tell a newly found (via GR) 3rd cousin in Oz that he had the wrong person as his grandfather. His grandmother was my grandfather's cousin so it was not of great importance to me, but he had built up a large network of living cousins in Canada. It was only when another contact via Ancestry pointed out the error that I realized the truth, which was even more bizarre, becaue his real grandfather turned out to be a nephew of my grandfather's first wife!. Before I broke the news I dug back into his real grandfather's ancestry; he was undersatnably a bit upset initially, but some of the details I had found triggered childhood memories which matched my newly found information. He has now replaced his Canadian ex-cousins with an equally large group, many in Australia. We met up a couple of years ago when he was over in England; even after 30 odd years in Oz his scouse accent was as heavy as they come; he said it returned as soon as he stepped off the plane! Brian |-----Original Message----- |From: eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com |[mailto:eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Audrey O'Keefe |Sent: 17 August 2009 08:39 |To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com |Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Wrong Ancestors | |I agree and very well said - I stopped using GR and deleted my |tree because |of people breaking my copy right - and just forwarding my tree to all |unsundry - I've work for 20 years one slow hard slog putting |every thing |together - I'm very protective of my work. |Audrey O'Keefe |----- Original Message ----- |From: "Karen Sorrell" <sorrellk@hotmail.com> |To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> |Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 2:01 AM |Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Wrong Ancestors | |

Hi Karen, I couldn't agree with you more. I have only put the barest of bare bones of my tree on Genes Reunited, just enough for genuine cousins to recognise the link, for the same reason. I too have found that my ancestors and my husband's have been co-opted into other people's trees despite the fact that there is no connection, and the people concerned do not seem to want to be corrected. I share willingly with genuine cousins, only to find that one or two of them do not give me any recognition for the years of research I have done when they pass it on to even more cousins. Hey ho, at least I know I am going up the right trees and my research should stand the test if my children ever decide to carry it on. Do I recall that some years ago one of these commercial sites claimed that the copyright on trees posted on their site was their property? Lesley -----Original Message----- From: eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Karen Sorrell Sent: 17 August 2009 02:01 Hi Sue, I don't actually believe it be carelessness - I have found that it's frequently just plain laziness. Family history has become such a popular pursuit and the advent of the internet has led many to believe that if they just hop online, they'll have their entire family history back to Adam and Eve in a single afternoon. Of course, Ancestry doesn't help the situation with its One World Tree feature which tries frantically to connect your rellies with everyone else's!

I have, in the past, tried to connect with people that I am certain have a connection to my family line via G/reunited. Many times I have not received a reply, So I have to ask myself why do these no answering types even bother? What is the point. Even if a person replied to me saying "sorry not interested" but silence I consider bad manners. These are all issues that stem from too much access to too much information to fast. Its the new reality in the age of cyberspace Dave > Hi Karen, > > I couldn't agree with you more. I have only put the barest of bare bones of > my tree on Genes Reunited, just enough for genuine cousins to recognise the > link, for the same reason. > > I too have found that my ancestors and my husband's have been co-opted into > other people's trees despite the fact that there is no connection, and the > people concerned do not seem to want to be corrected. I share willingly > with genuine cousins, only to find that one or two of them do not give me > any recognition for the years of research I have done when they pass it on > to even more cousins. > > Hey ho, at least I know I am going up the right trees and my research should > stand the test if my children ever decide to carry it on. > > Do I recall that some years ago one of these commercial sites claimed that > the copyright on trees posted on their site was their property? > > Lesley > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Karen Sorrell > Sent: 17 August 2009 02:01 > > > > Hi Sue, > > I don't actually believe it be carelessness - I have found that it's > frequently just plain laziness. Family history has become such a popular > pursuit and the advent of the internet has led many to believe that if they > just hop online, they'll have their entire family history back to Adam and > Eve in a single afternoon. Of course, Ancestry doesn't help the situation > with its One World Tree feature which tries frantically to connect your > rellies with everyone else's! > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >