Hi again, I just checked an old posting of mine and was reminded that Richard and Elizabeth (TROUGHTON) LEWIS were still having children in Liverpool up to ~1848. The last child I know about was son, Richard LEWIS, b~1848. So, the parents would have been still alive up to 1848. (That is from 1851 census.) (OOPS .. They would have been still alive for the 1851 census.) :o) >From the 1841 census people have told me about, I found out that the parents had 2 children in ~1827 and ~1828. They were Ann LEWIS and Sarah LEWIS. I just checked the FreeBMD site and there were about 70 marriages for an Ann LEWIS between ~1848 and through 1860's in Liverpool or West Derby. And there were about 18 marriages for a Sarah LEWIS in the same time period. So, as I've said before, Richard and Elizabeth would have been married ~1825, probably in Liverpool. (I've asked about a marriage in Cheshire, England, and researchers don't think they were married there.) I checked the archives again and someone had told me that my gr-gr-grandfather, John LEWIS, and his wife were living in Liverpool in the 1861 census. And, his brother, William LEWIS, and his wife, were living right beside them (West Derby). But, I don't remember whether anyone has found their parents, Richard and Elizabeth LEWIS, in the 1861 census. They would have been ~55 and ~50 in 1861. Thank you for your time. Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA)