did you say you could not find Matilda in the 1911 census ? Helen On 5 April 2014 11:16, Maria Haines <mariahaines@phonecoop.coop> wrote: > Hello again Liverpool listers, > > I have just received a death certificate from 1963 on which the > 'description' of the informant is 'causing the body to be buried'. I've > never seen that as a description before and wondered whether anybody > could shed any light on it? The person concerned died in hospital, > definitely out of contact with many of her family and possibly out of > contact with any relative. A notice was subsequently issued by the > Treasury appealing for relatives in relation to her (small) estate. > > So does this mean that the informant was some official person who > authorised the burial in the absence of any relatives? The name and > address of the informant, in case anyone recognises it, was H.E. Falcon, > 35, Greasby Road, Upton, Wirral. No quaifications or any oter > description of who M/s Falcon was, other than those words 'causing the > body to be buried'. It's a different name both from that of the doctor > who certified the cause of death and that of the (deputy) registrar who > registered it. > > Help, please, from anyone who knows about such things! > > Maria > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
My gt grandfather was living under an assumed name in lodgings in Hull. My Gt Grandmother was working as a Nurse in the house of the local Registrar. They were both originally from Nottinghamshire. I don't know the how and why they came to be living in Hull but apart but they seem to have lived like this for almost 10 years until my gt grandfather died in hospital following an operation for bowel cancer. I sent for the death certificate and when it came it showed his assumed name and the lodging house as his address. The informant was named as the landlady, and it stated 'causing the body to be buried'. Perhaps she had decided to register the death believing he had no-one else. There was a note to the certifcate stating that the details had been altered to his correct name and age following a sworn statement to the Registrar by his widow, my Gt grandmother a few days later. On 5 April 2014 11:16, Maria Haines <mariahaines@phonecoop.coop> wrote: > Hello again Liverpool listers, > > I have just received a death certificate from 1963 on which the > 'description' of the informant is 'causing the body to be buried'. I've > never seen that as a description before and wondered whether anybody > could shed any light on it? The person concerned died in hospital, > definitely out of contact with many of her family and possibly out of > contact with any relative. A notice was subsequently issued by the > Treasury appealing for relatives in relation to her (small) estate. > > So does this mean that the informant was some official person who > authorised the burial in the absence of any relatives? The name and > address of the informant, in case anyone recognises it, was H.E. Falcon, > 35, Greasby Road, Upton, Wirral. No quaifications or any oter > description of who M/s Falcon was, other than those words 'causing the > body to be buried'. It's a different name both from that of the doctor > who certified the cause of death and that of the (deputy) registrar who > registered it. > > Help, please, from anyone who knows about such things! > > Maria > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Dot Holden Dover Kent UK There are three things that can never be retrieved, the spoken word, time past and the neglected opportunity
To register a death, the informant has to be "qualified" in a certain way for them to be legally allowed to give the information to the registrar. GRO has a list of ways in which this can happen - it includes relatives, any person present at the death, a person in charge of the premises where a death takes place and various others. A "person causing the body to be buried/cremated" is way down the list, and would usually indicate (although not always) that there was no one more qualified to do the job. Examples of such a registration could be where a solicitor is dealing with the affairs of a person with no close relatives, or maybe a hospital or local authority person doing the same. Sounds like this could the case in your example. Another possibility is a co-habiting partner - if they do not qualify by being present at the death they may only be legally allowed to register by being shown under this category (because they are not legally related to the deceased). That still happens quite often today.... often to the great distress of the partner, who may have lived with the deceased for many years. Antony -----Original Message----- From: eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maria Haines Sent: 05 April 2014 11:17 To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LIV] 'causing the body to be buried' Hello again Liverpool listers, I have just received a death certificate from 1963 on which the 'description' of the informant is 'causing the body to be buried'. I've never seen that as a description before and wondered whether anybody could shed any light on it? The person concerned died in hospital, definitely out of contact with many of her family and possibly out of contact with any relative. A notice was subsequently issued by the Treasury appealing for relatives in relation to her (small) estate. So does this mean that the informant was some official person who authorised the burial in the absence of any relatives? The name and address of the informant, in case anyone recognises it, was H.E. Falcon, 35, Greasby Road, Upton, Wirral. No quaifications or any oter description of who M/s Falcon was, other than those words 'causing the body to be buried'. It's a different name both from that of the doctor who certified the cause of death and that of the (deputy) registrar who registered it. Help, please, from anyone who knows about such things! Maria ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi usualy, if no next of kin are found, social services arange the burial or cremation which is more than likely. If you have full details contact Wirral council. If buried it would be in an unmarked public plot. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maria Haines" <mariahaines@phonecoop.coop> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com>; <birkenhead@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2014 1:08 PM Subject: [ENG-LIV] burial of someone with a little money but no knownrelatives, 1963 > Hello all, > > My great-grandmother died in hospital, in Wallasey, in 1963, apparently > completely out of contact with her relatives (who believed her to have > died many years previously). The death cert shows the qualification of > the informant as 'causing the body to be buried'. So my question is: how > are burials arranged for people with no apparant kin? Would that be done > by a minister/vicar, by the hospital, by the hospita chaplain? > > And how could I find out where she was buried, and any further > information about my g-grandmother's final years? > > Thank you in advance, > > Maria > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Harold E Falcon 1913 - 1969 > Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2014 13:02:25 +0100 > From: Maria Haines <mariahaines@phonecoop.coop> > Reply-To: mariahaines@phonecoop.coop > To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com, birkenhead@rootsweb.com > > > > Hello, > > Please does anyone recognise this name and can tell me Harold's > occupation, or anything else about him that would enable me to > understand why he was the informant on my great-grandmother's death cert > in 1963? (His qualification for being the informant was 'causing the > body to be buried'. I am guessing that this was because she had no known > next-of-kin, as she was out of contact with most if not all of her > family.) I would like to know just this little shred of info about her > final years - who 'caused her body to be buried', i.e. (presumably) > authorised what funeral there may have been. > > Thank you in advannce, > > Maria > > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3722/7304 - Release Date: 04/05/14 > > ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3722/7304 - Release Date: 04/05/14
Hello all, My great-grandmother died in hospital, in Wallasey, in 1963, apparently completely out of contact with her relatives (who believed her to have died many years previously). The death cert shows the qualification of the informant as 'causing the body to be buried'. So my question is: how are burials arranged for people with no apparant kin? Would that be done by a minister/vicar, by the hospital, by the hospita chaplain? And how could I find out where she was buried, and any further information about my g-grandmother's final years? Thank you in advance, Maria -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Harold E Falcon 1913 - 1969 Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2014 13:02:25 +0100 From: Maria Haines <mariahaines@phonecoop.coop> Reply-To: mariahaines@phonecoop.coop To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com, birkenhead@rootsweb.com Hello, Please does anyone recognise this name and can tell me Harold's occupation, or anything else about him that would enable me to understand why he was the informant on my great-grandmother's death cert in 1963? (His qualification for being the informant was 'causing the body to be buried'. I am guessing that this was because she had no known next-of-kin, as she was out of contact with most if not all of her family.) I would like to know just this little shred of info about her final years - who 'caused her body to be buried', i.e. (presumably) authorised what funeral there may have been. Thank you in advannce, Maria
Hello, Please does anyone recognise this name and can tell me Harold's occupation, or anything else about him that would enable me to understand why he was the informant on my great-grandmother's death cert in 1963? (His qualification for being the informant was 'causing the body to be buried'. I am guessing that this was because she had no known next-of-kin, as she was out of contact with most if not all of her family.) I would like to know just this little shred of info about her final years - who 'caused her body to be buried', i.e. (presumably) authorised what funeral there may have been. Thank you in advannce, Maria
Just a thought and it is a long way round but if you got this Harold E Falcons marriage cert it would tell you what he did although I do see he could have changed jobs by 1963. Helen On 5 April 2014 11:47, Helen Strickland <helen.strickland49@gmail.com>wrote: > Hi > Cannot help with the above but it looks like this chap married one of the > following. > Helen > Marriages Sep 1940 (>99%) > ------------------------------ > Eggleston Jean Falcon Liverpool N. 8b1164 Falcon Harold E Eggleston Liverpool > N. 8b1164 Reynolds Dorothy Williams Liverpool N. 8b1164 Williams Evan W > Reynolds Liverpool N. 8b1164 > > > On 5 April 2014 11:16, Maria Haines <mariahaines@phonecoop.coop> wrote: > >> Hello again Liverpool listers, >> >> I have just received a death certificate from 1963 on which the >> 'description' of the informant is 'causing the body to be buried'. I've >> never seen that as a description before and wondered whether anybody >> could shed any light on it? The person concerned died in hospital, >> definitely out of contact with many of her family and possibly out of >> contact with any relative. A notice was subsequently issued by the >> Treasury appealing for relatives in relation to her (small) estate. >> >> So does this mean that the informant was some official person who >> authorised the burial in the absence of any relatives? The name and >> address of the informant, in case anyone recognises it, was H.E. Falcon, >> 35, Greasby Road, Upton, Wirral. No quaifications or any oter >> description of who M/s Falcon was, other than those words 'causing the >> body to be buried'. It's a different name both from that of the doctor >> who certified the cause of death and that of the (deputy) registrar who >> registered it. >> >> Help, please, from anyone who knows about such things! >> >> Maria >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> >> Admin Message - List guidelines: >> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >> >> The list admin can be contacted at >> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No >> fees! >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >
Hi Cannot help with the above but it looks like this chap married one of the following. Helen Marriages Sep 1940 (>99%) ------------------------------ Eggleston Jean Falcon Liverpool N. 8b1164 Falcon Harold E Eggleston Liverpool N. 8b1164 Reynolds Dorothy Williams Liverpool N. 8b1164 Williams Evan W Reynolds Liverpool N. 8b1164 On 5 April 2014 11:16, Maria Haines <mariahaines@phonecoop.coop> wrote: > Hello again Liverpool listers, > > I have just received a death certificate from 1963 on which the > 'description' of the informant is 'causing the body to be buried'. I've > never seen that as a description before and wondered whether anybody > could shed any light on it? The person concerned died in hospital, > definitely out of contact with many of her family and possibly out of > contact with any relative. A notice was subsequently issued by the > Treasury appealing for relatives in relation to her (small) estate. > > So does this mean that the informant was some official person who > authorised the burial in the absence of any relatives? The name and > address of the informant, in case anyone recognises it, was H.E. Falcon, > 35, Greasby Road, Upton, Wirral. No quaifications or any oter > description of who M/s Falcon was, other than those words 'causing the > body to be buried'. It's a different name both from that of the doctor > who certified the cause of death and that of the (deputy) registrar who > registered it. > > Help, please, from anyone who knows about such things! > > Maria > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Hello again Liverpool listers, I have just received a death certificate from 1963 on which the 'description' of the informant is 'causing the body to be buried'. I've never seen that as a description before and wondered whether anybody could shed any light on it? The person concerned died in hospital, definitely out of contact with many of her family and possibly out of contact with any relative. A notice was subsequently issued by the Treasury appealing for relatives in relation to her (small) estate. So does this mean that the informant was some official person who authorised the burial in the absence of any relatives? The name and address of the informant, in case anyone recognises it, was H.E. Falcon, 35, Greasby Road, Upton, Wirral. No quaifications or any oter description of who M/s Falcon was, other than those words 'causing the body to be buried'. It's a different name both from that of the doctor who certified the cause of death and that of the (deputy) registrar who registered it. Help, please, from anyone who knows about such things! Maria
Hi everybody, want some advice please, if you can help me. My dads sister Elizabeth Lunt, born 1904 in West Derby Liverpool, married Edgar Swann, in London, but she died in back in Liverpool in the first quarter of 1977, Jan to March. Her husband Edgar died earlier in 1967. What i really want is to find the exact date of her death? Date of week, month and any other infor about her. I know i can get the info by sending for a death certificate but I was hoping that someone might have a cheaper way of doing things. By the way, not to do with this matter but ive got some fiche records of the 1851 census for the Liverpool area which I dont use now, and im quite prepared to give them away for someone who might use them if they can find me son info about Elizabeth, as a matter of fact I didnt know about her till another one of my relatives told me about her only just 3 or 4 months ago. Thanks very much if you can help. Ted Lunt.
Hello lovely Liverpool listers, Would anybody with access to Liverpool or Wallasey directories for the above years be willing to do some lookups for me? (Or, better still, can anyone direct me to on-line directories where I could do the leg work myself?) Following a huge breakthrough made possible by the help of Rosemary Cairns (thank you again, Rosemary!) I am now very keen to find as many directory / electoral roll entries / any other sources of information as possible for the following people: My great-grandfather Henry Welsby GREEN, anytime between 1911 (when he was at 6, Bride St, Walton) and 1925 (when he was in lodgings at 17, Park St, Bootle). Occupation is likely to be unskilled - I have found his occupation described, at various times, as labourer, dock labourer, general labourer, railway labourer, storekeeper, barman, and marine engineer (?possibly a little job-description-inflation going on with that last one!) My greatgrandmother Annie Jane GREEN (until 1937), thereafter Annie Jane HIGGINS. Living at 6, Bride St, Walton in 1911. Address given as 11, Westmoreland Road, Wallasey in 1937, when she re-married after being a widow for some years. Address at death (in 1963) 6, Monk Road, Wallasey (she had by then been a widow (for the second time) since 1951). All sightings welcomed, especially between 1911 and 1937. My great-grandmother's second husband George Henry HIGGINS, engine fitter/marine engineer. Address in 1911 was 14, Eton St, Walton/Kirkdale. In 1937, when he married my great-grandmother, his address was 55, Kirkdale St, Kirkdale. Any other sightings (before, between or after these dates) gratefully welcomed. Thank you very much. Maria
Bill, good luck with your Evans research as well. Appears Edward and Thomas are quite common names for that time. Like you I too would love to find out more about Thomas Evans from "Wales", maybe Denbigshire and Edward Evans his son, born Wrexham abt 1855-1860. I am sure the information i out there, just a matter of tapping into the correct family. Barbara --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
My Edward Evans was also born at Llanfair, Denbigh, Wales in 1832 the son of Evan and Maria (Thomas) Evans. I don't know anything about his extended family. He had two brothers John and William and I think William could have been transported to Australia. His father Evan was a gamekeeper. There is a headstone at Toxteth cemetery next to the grave of Edward and I was told it was his brother. Dianne Hughes > Dear Listers, > > As the Evans surname has come up, I thought it a good time to ask about > one of my families. > > Thomas Evans married Margaret Sloane in Chester in 1833; he was born in > Denbighshire, she in Liverpool. > In 1851 they were living at 18 St Mary's Terrace, Kent Street, Liverpool. > Thomas was a 44-year-old Warehouseman, Margaret "45" (actually 44) > with their children Margaret, 18, Mary, 16, Ellen 6, Thomas, 19 months > > I have Margaret's family but know nothing about Thomas Evans' > > I would like to know if anyone else has connections to this family. > > Bill G-J > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
And if you don't want to make your own (there are plenty of recipes on the web), you could order one from Fortnum & Mason for a mere £30.00! Lynne
Thanks everyone for the lovely and tragic stories of grandmothers in Liverpool. Its so lovely to read about others peoples research and also what has been handed down to them from their families. Dianne
Hello everyone I have really enjoyed reading the many stories shared by listers of their mothers, grandmothers and great grandmothers. I too have a short tale to share. My great great grandmother Mary Ann Hatton bc1801 in Liverpool was the eldest child of 8 children born to Thomas Hatton and Mary Connor. Her father was a liquor merchant or liquor dealer (according to different records) most likely born in Liverpool clate 1770s. Of Mary Connor - she could well be Irish - that as yet I do not know. But is Mary Ann that I wish to pay tribute to. When I visited Liverpool in August 2010 for the first time - I felt as if I belonged there! On my return home I began to research Mary Ann and her family further. With the help of fellow listers I then discovered that Mary Ann was of Liverpool not Manchester as I had first thought so many many years earlier. I now believe she was looking after me in Liverpool...and yes I'm coming back this year to find out more! Briefly - she married Christopher Oates Colley in 1830 at St Phillips Church, Liverpool to whom she had 4 children - Arthur, Charles, Emily and Walter. Sadly she died prior to the 1841 census - in May 1839 at Cheetham Hill of a long illness (possibly consumption). Later her husband and children emigrated to Australia but that is another story. warm greetings from Victoria, Australia Elizabeth
I have some time to put down the information I am trying to find.......don't get a lot of spare time at the moment. My Grandfather Edward Evans was born in Wrexham, Wales, between 1855-1860. The discrepancy in birthdates is that on his death cert and that on census, so giving it a wide birth. The earliest I can find Edward in Liverpool - Toxteth Park is 1882 where he lived with my Gt. Grandmother Ellen (Helena Rosina Carpenter), their first son was born 1882. In 1889 they were still living in Toxteth Park when my grandfather Albert Martin was born. 1891 census Edward, Ellen were living in Kirkdale. 1895 they are living in Bootle when another son, Walter James was born. 1901 sees some of the family living at 7 "The Barracks"in West Derby. Twin Daughters Sarah Ester and Ellen included. The twins died within a short time of each other in August of 1901. It wasn't till 1907, that Edward & Ellen (Helena Rosina Carpenter) were married at St. Marys Kirkdale. Helena's sister Esther Amelia was a witness, she also got married that same day and Edward and Ellen were witnesses for them. The marriage certificate for Edward & Ellen has both being spinster and Batchelor, so, it appears they were not married previously. Edward's father Thomas Evans......no occupation. I have the Carpenter history. In 1911 census Edward Ellen, Walter & Thomas are living in Clifford St. Bootle. Note that the no of children born 17, 5 survived. Geo Edward, Albert Martin, Edward, Walter James & Thomas Alfred. I have all 5 birth certs and 4 death certs. Edward (jnr) being the one whose death is still to be found. I have managed to finally find Edward's (snr) death, earlier this year in August 1915. He died at Walton Workhouse. At the time of his death they had been living at 14 Spring Grove, found this info in the electoral rolls at Crosby Library. Also address on Ellen & Edward (snr) death cert. Ellen died 1945. I would dearly love to know where Edward (snr) is buried. I have contacted Thornton Garden of rest and he is not buried there, as is Ellen and son Thomas Alfred their youngest. I am only presuming now that he possibly was buried at Walton cemetery, which is of course now a farm and aware that records for that period are pretty sketchy. Visited Rice Farm when I was in UK. If anyone can advise me of any other possibilities I would be most greatful. I am still also looking for information on Edward (jnr) and Thomas Alfred. Edward (jnr) was born July 1891 in Bootle. (birth cert) Correct Parents etc) 1911 Census Edward (jnr) is a carter Cartman for a fish dealer. When at the Crosby Library I found electoral rolls indicating that Edward (jnr) was living with Ellen (mother) for a short time 1918/19 at 14 Spring Grove. Beside his name was N.M. This abbreviation is Navy or Military. I have searched Merchant Navy records including having contact with Merchant Navy records at Sth Hampton, but to no avail. I have also checked military records but unable to make headways their either. It is interesting that Edward appears to be the only son who had a single name, all others including the twins had two names. So I am wondering if the birth certificate has his second name missing?? thus making it difficult to find just which Edward I am looking for. What has happened to Edward Jnr??? Thomas Alfred born December 1901. I have been given a photo of a young sailor from family, with writing on the back Uncle Alfie Evans. I suspect that this is Thomas Alfred as Edward (snr) father was Thomas. Again I have checked Merchant Navy and Naval records but not found anything for Thomas Alfred. Walter James Evans was in the Merchant Navy and have information on him. Walter's son, also Walter James was in the Merchant Navy also. I have a death cert for Thomas Alfred June, 1933. On the cert the wife is the informant. Her name Alice. Thomas lived with Ellen for some time and then in 1929/30 Alice & Thomas are living with Ellen at 14 Spring Grove. 1924 has Alice & Thomas living at 24 Sandy Lane which is the address on Thomas's death cert. I feel I am on the right track with the death cert now. Where then, did Alice & Thomas marry and when??? I have searched and searched for this marriage and again have not been able to find anything. Did they marry?? Even the librarians at Crosby Library have struggled with this marriage. Could they have been married outside of the Liverpool area?? Edward Snr was a Slater's Labourer and sometimes the certificates have him only as a labourer. I am more than confident I have all the correct information from certificates. My grandfather's death certificate of course gives much more information. He died here in New Zealand and his mothers full name and his fathers name and where each was born is on the certificate...........wish all were like that. Well that is my story and hope I haven't confused anyone. Get a little confused myself at times :-) So, if anyone can help out with Edward (jnr) and Thomas Alfred I would be most greatful. Thank you. Barbara Christchurch, NZ --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
This isn’t much of a story but here is my offering. Elizabeth Howard Elizabeth Howard was born in Liverpool ca 1823. Her marriage record said her father was Thomas Howard, Serving Man. Elizabeth married Francis Wiatt (son of Francis Edwin Wiatt) on 25 Oct 1843, at St Catherine Abercromby Square, Liverpool, Lancashire. Francis died before 1851. Elizabeth Howard had a son prior to her marriage to Francis Wiatt; Thomas Arnold/Harnold Howard (aka Thomas Arnold/Harnold Wiatt when he was younger) (aka Thomas Arnold/Harnold Wiatt Howard when he went out on his own). Thomas was born in the Liverpool area in 1841 or 1842. I do not know if Francis was the father of Thomas Harnold. It is a mystery at this time. I don’t know who the father was. There are some pieces of this puzzle that do not fit. Elizabeth Howard & Francis Wiatt did have two children that I know of: Henrietta Thornhill Wiatt (born 1846 in the Liverpool area) Francis Daniel Wiatt (born 1848 in the Liverpool area) The widow Elizabeth married a widower named William Potter on 3 or 10 April 1853 in Toxteth. Elizabeth died in Lancashire in 1894-1995. Best wishes, W. W. -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 3/30/14, Liverpool List Admins. <liverpool.list.admin@gmail.com> wrote: Subject: [ENG-LIV] Liverpool mothers To: "eng-liverpool" <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, March 30, 2014, 1:50 AM Good morning, everyone, and happy Mothering Sunday! Today would be a good day for everyone to mention a Liverpool mother. Could be your own mother, your grandmother, great grandmother, or some other mother that lived in or near Liverpool. Perhaps you have a story to tell, a bit of data to share, or a query. You've all been quiet lately. Let's hear from you! Kind regards, Carol & Lynne ----------------------------------- Carol and Lynne Liverpool Joint List Administrators Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Nora, it is actually called Simnel Cake. Your aunt was right , it is as she described. It is also often made with 12 marzipan balls around the edge of the top and they represent the twelve apostles, my mother also a Liverpudlian, used to make it at Easter. -------Original Message------- From: Nora Kevan Date: 31/03/2014 1:41:10 p.m. To: Lynne; eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Liverpool Mothers Dear Lynne and Sally. Thank you for your kind words. When we emigrated to Australia we were sponsored by the aunts mentioned In my story. They both got married late in life and both lived to their 90s. , Like me, they both lost their sight in old age. One of them Martha Lived to be 93 and almost till the day she died she would write write her Memories down for me in Texta crayons. She remembers her mother telling her many details of her life. One was that my grandmother Sarah told her she remembered her mother Ellen Guy walking with her and her five sisters across the fields from Virginia St. Bootle to visit their grandmother Mary Ann Guy nee Wilcock at Lark Hill Lane Mansions where she and her husband were caretaker and Gardener. Ellen used to bake a Simmel Cake and the little girls would pick Wild flowers along the way to give to their grandmother. This would be in The 1870s as Mary Ann Wilcock died in 1879 and her husband James Guy in 1884. By the way does anyone know what a Simmel cake is? My aunt thought it was a Spicy cake with a layer of marzipan on top. Regards, Nora. -----Original Message----- From: Lynne Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 8:41 AM To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Liverpool Mothers Oh, Nora, you did make me cry! Thanks for sharing that very touching story. Kind regards, Lynne Nora Kevan <kevanna@tadaust.org.au> wrote: > > > >I hope my contribution is not considered too long. > >I remember my paternal grandmother as a little woman who was a bit absent >minded. She would look for her glasses until someone noticed she had tipped >them up onto the top of her head. I lived with her and my grandfather and >two unmarried aunts from the age of 7 when my mother died until 14 when my >father married again >.. She wasnt a very good cook ,and I was always glad when one of the aunts >did the cooking But she was a wonderful organiser. All her children had >household chores, even the boys. > >Her name was Sarah Allerton, born 16 Jun 1871 , the youngest of six >daughters of James Allerton and Ellen Guy. She was only six months old when >her father died. On 31 Mar 1891 She married Richard Edwards b. 23 Jan 1870 >at St. Marys, Walton on the Hill. They had nine children between 1891 and >1911. She died 22 Nov 1944. > --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
The address on the birth certificate was the key...... It was very difficult as my granddad had changed his Christian name, and his surname, but my mother knew his original name and that of his father, but not his mother's Christian name and so it took me awhile before I got the right birth certificate, and found his mother's full name . He was registered in March 1881 from a Great George Street address, I thought eureka ! They will be there on the April 1881 census..but no..sods law the house was empty. I eventually found him with his foster family with his name horribly misspelt. There were loads of Margaret Bartons on the census so I was at a dead end there... Grasping at straws I checked the trade directories for the street address and found a man called Hunn had been working from the address also as a window blind maker. I had nowhere else to go with the search so I checked him out and found he had married Annie Barton. I didn't at that stage know who she was apart from the same surname so I tracked Annie back and eventually everything fell into place. It was really difficult because when I began the censuses weren't ready available on line, and people from the list helped me with the 1881 census, and as each census became available the story opened up and I was able to research other records as well. It was fun and taught me to search indirect people around families and it is amazing what you discover when you research like that. -------Original Message------- From: Maria Haines Date: 31/03/2014 12:20:33 p.m. To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Mothers ... How attitudes have changed Oh, that is so sad - how on earth did you manage to find out what you Now know? Maria On 30/03/2014 23:23, faraway@xtra.co.nz wrote: > How attitudes have changed .... My great grandmother Margaret was born in > Great George Street Liverpool in 1862. Her parents worked from home as > Window blind makers .She lost both parents to chronic lung diseases before > She was 10 years old. > For a while her 17 year sister Annie tried to keep the family together and > Then Margaret and 11 year old Robina were placed in the care of the > Bluecoats school. > Tragically Robina died there from a horrible louse borne disease called > Relapsing fever. > >From Bluecoats Margaret was placed as a housemaid in one of Cheshire's > Great houses. > She attracted the attention of one of the young masters there and became > Pregnant with my grandad. > Shortly after his birth in 1881 my grandad was placed in a foster family > Whose name he eventually took. > Margaret never married, she went back to live with Annie and they carried > On the family trade in Birkenhead. > I don't believe she ever had any more contact with my grandad, and on the > 1911 census didn't acknowledge that she had a child - such was the shame of > The unmarried mother and her child. > My grandad's family only whispered of his birth situation, they were so deeply ashamed, it took me five years of Internet searching to discover Margaret's name and her life. I believe she died in the 1930s after living her life within a half hours journey of the son she never knew..... > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message