Hello Listers, I am trying to find out where I can get records from the Liverpool Royal Infirmary. My ancestor had died there on 28 June 1883. Her name was Elizabeth Davies age 58 years old. Anyone have any information on what I may find in the records such as: 1. Why she was in there 2. How she died etc... Any information appreciated Anthony

This might be of interest to anyone interested in the maritime history of Liverpool The Annie Jane was a ship carrying emigrants from Liverpool to Canada in 1853 that sank off Vatersay. It was carrying about 450 and very few survived. Most of the bodies were washed up on Vatersay and buried in the sand dunes. There is a memorial to them on the top of the dunes as well as two Chinese seamen buried there in WWI when similarly washed up on the beach. It has been reported that the dunes are being eroded and there are concerns that the remains might start to be exposed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatersay#Wrecks http://canmore.rcahms.gov.uk/en/site/102881/textcontribution/annie+jane+bagh +siar+vatersay+atlantic/ http://canmore.rcahms.gov.uk/en/site/170827/contribution/vatersay+annie+jane +monument/ Martin Briscoe Fort William martin@mbriscoe.me.uk

Roy, The actual 1911 census return completed by Andrew Bell shows his younger son to be Gerard, and not Gerald. If this is the correct family then Gerard Francis Bell's birth was registered December quarter 1909, West Derby 8b, 307. There is a possible marriage: March 1965, Kensington 5c, 2769. Inferred County: London:- Gerard F Bell and Clarice B.Hector-Clarke or Clarice Clarke - there are two registrations for Clarice which would indicate a name-change. There doesn't appear to be any children from the marriage. Gerard's death registered June 1971, Islington 5c, 1485: Gerard Francis Bell, dob 6th November 1909. Regards, John. ----- Original Message ----- From: "royfarnol" <royfarnol@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 1:46 AM Subject: [ENG-LIV] Gerald Francis Bell born 1909 Walton > Can anybody please give any information about Gerald Francis after 1911? > > In the 1911 census he was at 50 Killarney Road, Old Swan with parents > Andrew and Elizabeth (McGrath) and siblings Bernard Daniel and Martha > Cecily. > > Thanks, Roy.

Hi The burial record indicates it is a Public Grave (no 2892 not 2893). If you look at other burials on the image and subsequent images you will see a number of others buried in the same grave. The death certificate would not show birthplace but may have information that helps prove or disprove it is who you are looking for, such as a relative being the informant, or a residential address you can link. You can purchase the certificate from the GRO http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ for 9.25 GBP. Thomas Kelly death registered West Derby Registration District, Sept Qtr 1900 Vol 8b Page 256 Andy -----Original Message----- From: pjsalis@hal-pc.org Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 1:51 AM To: Liverpool List Subject: [ENG-LIV] Info on Thomas KELLY 1900 death & burial records Hello List, My cousin found this information at Ancestry.com: OFFICIAL DEATH RECORD Name: Thomas Kelly // Estimated birth year: abt 1839 // Registration Year: 1900 // Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep // Age at Death: 61 // Registration district: West Derby // Inferred County: Lancashire // Volume: 8b // Page: 256 // Source Information: FreeBMD. England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA. BURIAL RECORD Name: Thomas Kelly // Birth Year: abt 1839 // Age: 61 // Death Year: abt 1900 // Burial Date: 16 Jul 1900 // Parish: Ford Cemetery, Lancashire, England // Source Citation: Liverpool Record Office; Liverpool, England; Reference Number: 285 FOR. The associated burial-record image has this information: "Interments // Monday 16 July 1900 // Thomas Kelly // Aged 61 years // 2893" I'm in the US. I want to look at the death & burial records to see if this is the Thomas Kelly we're researching. My questions: * Might there be any additional information on the official death record, say about the cause of death & his birthplace? * If so, what is the easiest & least costly way to get a copy of that record? * Might there be any additional information on the Ford Cemetery burial record, say about the person arranging & paying for the interment? * If so, what is the easiest and least costly way to get a copy of that record? Thanks for any suggestions. PJ, in Texas ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

G'day PJ An English death certificate from 1900 will provide the following information: Date and place of death (but not the residence if the death occurred away from home) Name, Sex and Age Occupation Cause of Death, and who certified the cause Informant Qualification of the informant (e.g. widow) The informant's residence (unless the informant is the coroner etc). There are two types of burial registers. The church register which is from the viewpoint of the funeral service, and from the late 19th century onwards with the advent of municipal cemeteries, there is the cemetery register which reflects the viewpoint of the cemetery administration. A parish burial register give date of name, age, abode, and date of burial. A municipal burial will have other details, such as plot number etc, and names of the other people if the plot has been used more than once. You can order copies of the civil registration death certificate through the GRO's website using the details from the deaths index transcribed in FreeBMD which you have. < http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp > The Lancashire On-Line Parish Clerk's project is transcribing the registers for Lancashire. It's an on-going project. < http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/ > The majority of Liverpool's Parish Registers have been microfilmed by the LDS and they can be ordered into your local LDS library for a nominal fee if you want to see a copy of the original register instead of a transcription. Ford Cemetery website < http://www.fordcemetery.co.uk/ > The Find a Grave website may have a photograph of a tombstone (although the site is more American orientated than English). < http://www.findagrave.com/index.html > Happy Hunting David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia (five times bigger than Texas!) :-} ----- Original Message ----- From: pjsalis@hal-pc.org Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 11:51 PM Hello List, My cousin found this information at Ancestry.com: I'm in the US. I want to look at the death & burial records to see if this is the Thomas Kelly we're researching. My questions: * Might there be any additional information on the official death record, say about the cause of death & his birthplace? * If so, what is the easiest & least costly way to get a copy of that record? * Might there be any additional information on the Ford Cemetery burial record, say about the person arranging & paying for the interment? * If so, what is the easiest and least costly way to get a copy of that record? Thanks for any suggestions. PJ, in Texas --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hello List, My cousin found this information at Ancestry.com: OFFICIAL DEATH RECORD Name: Thomas Kelly // Estimated birth year: abt 1839 // Registration Year: 1900 // Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep // Age at Death: 61 // Registration district: West Derby // Inferred County: Lancashire // Volume: 8b // Page: 256 // Source Information: FreeBMD. England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA. BURIAL RECORD Name: Thomas Kelly // Birth Year: abt 1839 // Age: 61 // Death Year: abt 1900 // Burial Date: 16 Jul 1900 // Parish: Ford Cemetery, Lancashire, England // Source Citation: Liverpool Record Office; Liverpool, England; Reference Number: 285 FOR. The associated burial-record image has this information: "Interments // Monday 16 July 1900 // Thomas Kelly // Aged 61 years // 2893" I'm in the US. I want to look at the death & burial records to see if this is the Thomas Kelly we're researching. My questions: * Might there be any additional information on the official death record, say about the cause of death & his birthplace? * If so, what is the easiest & least costly way to get a copy of that record? * Might there be any additional information on the Ford Cemetery burial record, say about the person arranging & paying for the interment? * If so, what is the easiest and least costly way to get a copy of that record? Thanks for any suggestions. PJ, in Texas

Can anybody please give any information about Gerald Francis after 1911? In the 1911 census he was at 50 Killarney Road, Old Swan with parents Andrew and Elizabeth (McGrath) and siblings Bernard Daniel and Martha Cecily. Thanks, Roy.

Would like any information on George and his Liverpool descendants. Any cousins out there? hanks, Roy. 1881 census; Civil Parish & Sub-Registration District Kirkdale 20 Fountains Road; George Bell Head Mar 44 Carpeneter born Yorkshire; Mary Ann Bell Wife Mar 35 born Dorset Chardstock; Joseph Bell Son 15 Grocer born Shropshire, Ditton Priors; Edward Bell Son Sion 12 Scholar born Shropshire Ditton Priors; John Bell Son 11 Scholar born Shropshire Ditton Priors; Andrew Bell Son 9 Scholar born Shropshire Ditton Priors; Martha Bell Daur 7 Scholar born Shropshire Ditton Priors.

Peterloo 2019 Meeting - Manchester Histories Wednesday, 9 July 2014 from 18:00 to 19:30 (BST) People's History Museum Cafe Left Bank Manchester M3 3ER "Following on from the panel event during Manchester Histories Festival to discuss how Manchester should commemorate the Peterloo massacre leading up to and during this anniversary, a further meeting has been arranged to continue these conversations. "The panel covered issues around: what should the city be saying about Peterloo? how should it be remembered? how can people's knowledge and understanding about the importance of Peterloo to national democracy be raised? "We look forward to seeing you at the meeting." See https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/peterloo-2019-meeting-9-july-2014-tickets-12088889193 to register and for contact link. Lynne

>From Bolton & District FHS: The Bolton branch of the Manchester & Lancashire Family History Society (MLFHS) (http://www.mlfhs.org.uk/Bolton/) will hold its next meeting Wednesday July 2nd at 7.30pm. Peter Watson, the speaker who was originally booked for next week's meeting, is unwell and currently in hospital. We wish him a speedy recovery and all the best. We are lucky enough to have Tony Foster, local historian of Lancs FH&HS and Lancs BMD, prepared to step in for us at short notice. He is going to tell us about his experiences of researching a War Memorial, and recount some of the stories he has found. This is of course quite appropriate at the moment and we are very grateful that he can manage this. The meeting will be at the usual venue of Bolton Cricket Club, Green Lane, Farnworth, BL3 2JB starting at 7.30pm with refreshments available at the bar. All welcome. There is a nominal charge for non MLFHS members. A Help Desk will be available afterwards. Please note there is now a genealogy magazine recycle programme, so please bring your old unwanted magazines to be passed to or exchanged with others. Nothing will be wasted. Parking is free but please allow some time as the Rounders season is also in full swing. Enquiries to Barbara Owen Secretary on 01204 309515.

Good point, Angelika. Everyone, if you sent messages to the lists that haven't turned up, please resend them. I think it's better that we see them twice (if that happens) than not see them at all. You'll remember that the subject of discussion around the time that the lists went down was "your Lancashire father". If you sent messages about this and they're not in the archives (see http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-LIVERPOOL/2014-06), please resend them. Thanks! Lynne Angelika <bewstoor@roberts.co.uk> wrote: > >I sent one on 17 June (probably minutes after the outage occurred) and >it was eventually returned to me, after about five days, with a >non-delivery message indicating that connection to the server had timed >out. More recent ones may well still be held in a queue somewhere, but >anything more than five days out will have been returned. > >Hopefully people will have kept copies of their messages and will get >round to re-sending them... > >Angelika

As you say Barbara, a google search will give the details. St James is the dedication of the Church of England Church in the Maghull district of Sefton. < http://www.seftondirectory.com/kb5/sefton/directory/event.page?id=MJ7-SsohRzY > < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maghull > David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Harvey Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 4:12 PM I live in Sefton--the only St James I know of in this area is in Bootle. A google search will probably give you details. Barbara in Liverpool --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

On 27/06/14 13:54, Liverpool List Admins. wrote: > Am keeping my fingers crossed that messages that > went astray during the outage will eventually be distributed I sent one on 17 June (probably minutes after the outage occurred) and it was eventually returned to me, after about five days, with a non-delivery message indicating that connection to the server had timed out. More recent ones may well still be held in a queue somewhere, but anything more than five days out will have been returned. Hopefully people will have kept copies of their messages and will get round to re-sending them... Angelika

I live in Sefton--the only St James I know of in this area is in Bootle. A google search will probably give you details. Barbara in Liverpool On 27 June 2014 01:52, David Armstrong <davidrli@iinet.net.au> wrote: > At the time in question, Sefton (also spelled Sephton) was a parish in the > County of Lancashire. St James would have been the dedication of the > church in which the wedding took place. A Marriage Certificate will state > whether or not the marriage was in the jurisdiction of Liverpool. > > < http://www.genuki.com/big/eng/LAN/Sefton/ > > > (Genuki is a good site to answer this sort of question). > > As Liverpool has grown, it has absorbed surrounding parishes and now > Sefton is a Metropolitan Borough in the Metropolitan County of Merseyside > created in 1974. > > < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sefton,_Merseyside > > > < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merseyside > > > David Armstrong > Maylands, > Western Australia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Fontaine Wiatt > To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 11:04 PM > Subject: [ENG-LIV] Merseyside and Sefton > > > > Good afternoon. > > > Can someone tell me - In the date range of about 1885-1910: > > Were the communities of Merseyside and Sefton, neighborhoods of > Liverpool proper, or were they separate from Liverpool ? > > If a couple were married at St James in Sefton, is it more accurate to > list it as St James, Sefton, Lancashire; or St James, Sefton, Liverpool, > Lancashire; or something else ? > > > I really can’t find a clear answer. > > > Thank you, > > W W > > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello everyone We're baaaaaaaack! As you may have noticed, messages have started flowing on RootsWeb mailing lists following the distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) attack on Ancestry. The Help Desk personnel have not posted a status message on the Help page (http://rootsweb.custhelp.com/) nor has staff let administrators know what's going on with the mailing lists, so we don't know what has happened with messages that were sent to the lists but not delivered over the last week and a half. Am keeping my fingers crossed that messages that went astray during the outage will eventually be distributed. Until we know that everything is copasetic, it would be wise to keep copies of messages you send to the lists in your email Sent folder and double-check that the messages actually reached the list by checking that you received list copies or that there's copies in the list's archives. Thanks for your patience. Happy researching! Carol and Lynne Liverpool Joint List Administrators Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com

At the time in question, Sefton (also spelled Sephton) was a parish in the County of Lancashire. St James would have been the dedication of the church in which the wedding took place. A Marriage Certificate will state whether or not the marriage was in the jurisdiction of Liverpool. < http://www.genuki.com/big/eng/LAN/Sefton/ > (Genuki is a good site to answer this sort of question). As Liverpool has grown, it has absorbed surrounding parishes and now Sefton is a Metropolitan Borough in the Metropolitan County of Merseyside created in 1974. < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sefton,_Merseyside > < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merseyside > David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Fontaine Wiatt To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 11:04 PM Subject: [ENG-LIV] Merseyside and Sefton Good afternoon. Can someone tell me - In the date range of about 1885-1910: Were the communities of Merseyside and Sefton, neighborhoods of Liverpool proper, or were they separate from Liverpool ? If a couple were married at St James in Sefton, is it more accurate to list it as St James, Sefton, Lancashire; or St James, Sefton, Liverpool, Lancashire; or something else ? I really can’t find a clear answer. Thank you, W W ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Barbara and David, Thank your for responding. My mistake - bad example. I should have used St Anne's - I think one of my search hits had St Anne's, Sefton. Best, W W -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 6/27/14, Barbara Harvey <barbara@marcusstafford.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Merseyside and Sefton To: "eng-liv" <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, June 27, 2014, 8:12 AM I live in Sefton--the only St James I know of in this area is in Bootle. A google search will probably give you details. Barbara in Liverpool On 27 June 2014 01:52, David Armstrong <davidrli@iinet.net.au> wrote: > At the time in question, Sefton (also spelled Sephton) was a parish in the > County of Lancashire.  St James would have been the dedication of the > church in which the wedding took place.  A Marriage Certificate will state > whether or not the marriage was in the jurisdiction of Liverpool. > > < http://www.genuki.com/big/eng/LAN/Sefton/ > > > (Genuki is a good site to answer this sort of question). > > As Liverpool has grown, it has absorbed surrounding parishes and now > Sefton is a Metropolitan Borough in the Metropolitan County of Merseyside > created in 1974. > > < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sefton,_Merseyside > > > < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merseyside > > > David Armstrong > Maylands, > Western Australia > >   ----- Original Message ----- >   From: Fontaine Wiatt >   To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com >   Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 11:04 PM >   Subject: [ENG-LIV] Merseyside and Sefton > > > >   Good afternoon. > > >   Can someone tell me - In the date range of about 1885-1910: > >   Were the communities of Merseyside and Sefton, neighborhoods of > Liverpool proper, or were they separate from Liverpool ? > >   If a couple were married at St James in Sefton, is it more accurate to > list it as St James, Sefton, Lancashire; or St James, Sefton, Liverpool, > Lancashire; or something else ? > > >   I really can’t find a clear answer. > > >   Thank you, > >   W W > > > >   ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > >   Admin Message - List guidelines: >   http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > >   The list admin can be contacted at >   Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > >   Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list.  No > fees! >   ------------------------------- >   To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list.  No > fees! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com  Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list.  No fees!  ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good afternoon. Can someone tell me - In the date range of about 1885-1910: Were the communities of Merseyside and Sefton, neighborhoods of Liverpool proper, or were they separate from Liverpool ? If a couple were married at St James in Sefton, is it more accurate to list it as St James, Sefton, Lancashire; or St James, Sefton, Liverpool, Lancashire; or something else ? I really can’t find a clear answer. Thank you, W W

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Hi, Anyone having trouble with the £1 Offer on Find My Past? After paying £1 my first attempt was successeful but, after that first time I am unable to access any records except the ones I had already seen on my first attempt. Am I doing something wrong? Regards, Jill. On 17/06/2014 15:07, Jean Flanagan wrote: > Hi Listers, > > > There is an offer for Find My Past, £1 until end of June. https://www.findmypast.co.uk/payments?vouchercode=WORLDCUP2 > > Best regards. > Jean Flanagan. Liverpool > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message