Hello Listers, Below are the databases that have been added to the Lancs OPC website over the past couple of months - www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html The search engine has been updated to include all the records that are available on the site. 12 September 2014 Marriages 1886 to 1895 from the Church of All Souls, in the District of Ancoats, Manchester Marriages 1778 to 1802 from the Church of St Michael and All Angels in the Parish of Ashton under Lyne Marriages 1888 to 1926 from the Roman Catholic Church of St Mary in the Parish of Ashton under Lyne Baptisms 1901 to 1917 from the Church of St Andrew, in the Parish of Burnley Baptisms 1884 to 1894 from the Church of St Saviour, in the district of Everton, Liverpool Burials 1800 to 1809 from the Church of St Luke, Heywood Burials 1838 to 1969 from the Church of St James, Heywood Baptisms 1874 to 1891 from the Church of St Michael, Liverpool Baptisms 1900 from the Church of St Cuthbert, in the Parish of Lytham Baptisms 1863 to 1867 and Marriages 1904 to 1908 from the Church of St Thomas, Pendleton Baptisms complete the Register for 1856 to 1867 Burials 1683 to 1694, 1725 to 1752, 1827 to 1832, 1837 to 1840 and 1861 to 1863 from St John in the Town of Preston Burials 1926 to 1931 from Rawtenstall Cemetery, Rawtenstall in Rossendale 5 September 2014 Baptisms 1852 to 1860 and Burials 1813 to 1848 and 1867 to 1887 from the Church of St James, Ashworth in the Parish of Rochdale Burials 1813 to 1846 are reworked from the Parish Register replacing the previous set from the BTs Marriages 1909 to 1926 from the Church of St James, Blatchinworth and Calderbrook, in the Parish of Rochdale Marriages 1909 to 1914 from the Church of the Holy Trinity, Failsworth in the Parish of Oldham Marriages 1880 to 1897 from the Church of St Paul, Hathershaw in the Parish of Oldham Marriages 1845 and Burials 1803 to 1817 from the Church of St Chad, Rochdale The Burials are reworked from the Parish Registers replacing the previous set from the BTs Roll of Church Members 1837 to 1920 from Smallbridge Congregational, Smallbridge in the Parish of Rochdale Baptisms 1831 to 1865 from the Church of St Paul in the Parish of Warrington Baptisms from 1831 to 1856 are retranscribed from the Parish Registers, replacing the previous set from the BTs 4 September 2014 Marriages 1888 to 1897 from the Church of St Matthew, Bolton Marriages 1754 to 1769 and Burials 1792 to 1812 from the Church of St Mary the Virgin, Deane Baptisms 1765 to 1837 and Burials 1784 to 1828 from Lee Chapel Independent, in the Parish of Horwich Marriages 1935 to 1944 from Christ Church, Ince 2 September 2014 Burials 1856 to 1869 from the Roman Catholic Church of St Mary of the Assumption in the Parish of Burnley Marriages 1920 to 1938 from Christ Church, Glodwick in the Parish of Oldham Baptisms 1874 to 1886 from Christ Church, Pendlebury Burials 1813 to 1847 from the Church of St Stephen, Salford This is a new transcription from the Parish Registers replacing a previous transcript from the BTs where there were missing years 25 August 2014 Baptisms and Burials 1792 to 1811 from the Church of St Mary the Virgin, Egton cum Newland in the Parish of Ulverston Baptisms 1870 to 1876 from the Church of St Peter, in the district of Everton, Liverpool Confirmations 1893 to 1899 from the Church of St Mary the Virgin in the Parish of Goosnargh Marriages 1950 to 2004 from the Church of St James, Whitechapel, in the Parish of Goosnargh Marriages 1920 to 1926 from the Church of the Holy Trinity in the Parish of Habergham Eaves Baptisms 1800 to 1809 from the Church of St Luke, Heywood Baptisms 1867 to 1868 and Marriages 1853 from the Church of St Peter, Liverpool Burials 1851 to 1888 from the Church of Holy Trinity and St Mary Magdalene, Liverpool Banns 1843 to 1892 from the Church of St Barnabas, Liverpool Updated Marriages 1887 to 1901 from the Church of the Holy Trinity in the Parish of Poulton-le-Sands Updated to add some entries missing from the original source Baptisms 1896 to 1900 from St Thomas in the Town of Preston A continuation of the Register of Baptisms for 1890 to 1900 Burials 1848 to 1865 from All Saints, Stand in the Parish of Whitefield Baptisms 1740 to 1771 and 1781 to 1812 and Marriages 1664 to 1771 and 1781 to 1812 from the Church of St Mary, Ulverston Marriages 1837 to 1840 from the Roman Catholic Church of St John, in the Town of Wigan 20 August 2014 Baptisms 1868 to 1877 from the Church of St James, Ashworth in the Parish of Rochdale Baptisms 1882 to 1904 from the Church of St Stephen, Audenshaw Marriages 1896 to 1909 from the Church of St James, Blatchinworth and Calderbrook, in the Parish of Rochdale Burials 1657 to 1714 from the Church of St James, Brindle Burials 1940 to 1964 from the Church of St Martin, Castleton Baptisms 1850 to 1908 from Ebenezer Primitive Methodist Chapel, Dukinfield Baptisms 1871 to 1877 and Marriages 1844 and 1853 to 1854 from the Church of St Chad, Rochdale Admissions 1880 to 1931 from the John Ashworth Chapel for the Destitute, Rochdale Baptisms 1809 to 1949 from Hope St Particular Baptist, Rochdale Marriages 1834 to 1835 and 1837 to 1861 and Burials 1850 to 1864 from the Church of St Clement, Spotland in the Parish of Rochdale Burials 1891 to 1907 from the Whitworth Cemetery in the Parish of Rochdale 18 August 2014 Marriages 1878 to 1886 from the Church of All Souls, in the District of Ancoats, Manchester Baptisms 1904 to 1913 from the Church of St Silas, in the District of Ardwick, Manchester Burials 1829 to 1831 and 1844 to 1847 from the Parish Church of St Peter, Bolton Marriages 1911 to 1923 from the Church of St George, Little Bolton Baptisms 1931 to 1966 from the Church of All Souls, Little Bolton Baptisms 1895 to 1916 from Back Foundry Street Wesleyan Mission, Bolton le Moors Baptisms 1846 to 1921 and Marriages 1858 to 1868 from Darcy Lever Wesleyan Methodist Chapel, Darcy Lever in Bolton le Moors Baptisms 1971 to 2013 from the Church of St Peter in the Parish of Burnley Baptisms 1860 to 1879 from the Church of St John, Bury Marriages 1850 to 1892 and 1931 to 1947 from the Church of St Paul, Halliwell, Bolton Marriages 1927 to 1935 from Christ Church, Ince Baptisms and Burials 1858 to 1879 and Marriages 1859 to 1879 from the Church of St James the Apostle, Wardle in the Parish of Rochdale 2 August 2014 Baptisms 1843 to 1852 and 1860 to 1868 and Burials 1848 to 1867 from the Church of St James, Ashworth in the Parish of Rochdale Baptisms 1764 to 1789 from the Roman Catholic Church of St Mary in the Parish of Bamber Bridge Burials 1955 to 1985 from the Roman Catholic Church of Our Lady of Perpetual Succour, Longshaw, Blackburn Baptisms 1858 to 1901 from the Church of St Martin, Castleton Baptisms 1813 to 1868, Marriages 1856 to 1861 and Burials 1813 to 1868 from the Church of St Mary the Virgin, Egton cum Newland in the Parish of Ulverston Baptisms 1900 to 1915 from the Church of St Mark, in the District of Hulme, Manchester Baptisms 1826 to 1853 from the Church of St Michael, Liverpool Baptisms 1866 to 1867 from the Church of St Peter, Liverpool Baptisms 1841 to 1846 and Marriages 1852 to 1853 from the Church of St Chad, Rochdale Marriages 1844 to 1926 from Hope St Particular Baptist, Rochdale Cradle Rolls 1910 to 1924 from the John Ashworth Chapel for the Destitute, Rochdale Marriages 1929 to 1930 and Burials 1847 to 1856 from the Church of St Stephen, Salford Baptisms 1691 to 1871, Marriages 1692 to 1838 and Burials 1691 to 1871 from the Church of St Luke, Torver in the Parish of Ulverston Burials 1854 to 1948 from the Church of St Elphin in the Parish of Warrington Regards, Sally

I have a problem finding a marriage for Patrick MYLES/MILES and Elizabeth BROWN in Liverpool (or possibly Shropshire). Their children were baptised in Catholic churches and in both these records and on their birth certificates Elizabeth is stated to be 'formerly Brown". Their eldest child was born in December 1871 and the couple are shown living together as a married couple on the 1871 census Elizabeth had died before the 1881 census and Patrick is shown as widowed with 4 young children. According to another descendant Elizabeth was born in Shropshire but came to Liverpool for work, her mother having been born in Liverpool herself. Any suggestions as to where the couple may have married welcome - I cannot find a marriage for them. If you are connected to the MYLES/MILES/ADDISON family I would love to hear from you! Dot -- Dot Holden Dover Kent UK There are three things that can never be retrieved, the spoken word, time past and the neglected opportunity

I found more bodies than grave markers also. Seemingly no relation. Later I found out they were. Seems they liked to pack them in back in the day. On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 5:33 AM, Martin Briscoe via < eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> wrote: > It can be interesting investigating extra burials in a grave, sometimes you > find a distant connection particularly with babies, infants or even young > people because the family probably had not yet got a grave to use so some > relative allowed them to use their one. > > Graves seem to be often leased for a fixed term, I came across one in my > family where the last burial was back in the 19th century then someone else > was buried there much later though I think they were still related so > perhaps the family still owned the grave. > > I found these conditions on one website though it seems to suggest in the > past graves were sold in perpetuity in some areas. > > > > When you buy a grave in the cemetery, you do not buy the land. The land > remains the property of South Tyneside Council. Instead, you buy the > exclusive right to bury in that piece of land, effectively making it a > private family grave. Up until the mid 1970s we sold these burial rights in > perpetuity. However, we now only sell them for a fixed 50 year term. At the > end of this term, it is the family's responsibility to renew their rights > if > they so wish. Should the rights not be renewed the cemetery staff can > lawfully remove any memorial after giving a set period of notice for you to > remove the memorial yourself. If there is sufficient depth left in the > grave, we also have the right to bury someone else there. > > > > I would think that they are similar elsewhere. > > Martin Briscoe > Fort William > martin@mbriscoe.me.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ruth via > Sent: 14 September 2014 08:15 > To: Dianne Hughes; eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Strangers in a grave? > > If the family had not purchased the grave it remained under the control of > the cemetery authority. So, they could fill up one grave before digging > another. In one of the cemetery records of my family it gives the depth at > which the coffin was buried - in one case 12 feet leaving plenty of room > for more ..... > > Ruth > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Afternoon, I've found the same thing with my Evans in Toxteth, I thought perhaps they were paupers and they "just" buried them in any spare spot they had. Dianne Hues > Hello Listers, > > While rechecking burial details on some ancestors buried in Toxteth cemetery, I realized I could type in a grave # and up came the names of whoever is buried in that particular grave. What shocked me is that in both the graves I have ancestors buried in, there is an entire family (in one case) and 4 separate individuals (in the other) buried with them! > > There is absolutely no connection between the others and our family, plus the others are not mentioned on the tombstones or have their own tombstone. > > Was it common to "sell " space or give space in burial plots to unconnected families or individuals? > > Sandra > > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It can be interesting investigating extra burials in a grave, sometimes you find a distant connection particularly with babies, infants or even young people because the family probably had not yet got a grave to use so some relative allowed them to use their one. Graves seem to be often leased for a fixed term, I came across one in my family where the last burial was back in the 19th century then someone else was buried there much later though I think they were still related so perhaps the family still owned the grave. I found these conditions on one website though it seems to suggest in the past graves were sold in perpetuity in some areas. When you buy a grave in the cemetery, you do not buy the land. The land remains the property of South Tyneside Council. Instead, you buy the exclusive right to bury in that piece of land, effectively making it a private family grave. Up until the mid 1970s we sold these burial rights in perpetuity. However, we now only sell them for a fixed 50 year term. At the end of this term, it is the family's responsibility to renew their rights if they so wish. Should the rights not be renewed the cemetery staff can lawfully remove any memorial after giving a set period of notice for you to remove the memorial yourself. If there is sufficient depth left in the grave, we also have the right to bury someone else there. I would think that they are similar elsewhere. Martin Briscoe Fort William martin@mbriscoe.me.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ruth via Sent: 14 September 2014 08:15 To: Dianne Hughes; eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Strangers in a grave? If the family had not purchased the grave it remained under the control of the cemetery authority. So, they could fill up one grave before digging another. In one of the cemetery records of my family it gives the depth at which the coffin was buried - in one case 12 feet leaving plenty of room for more ..... Ruth

Dear Admin Marj, And G'Day Fellow Listers. I am trying to find information on the Decedents of My Fathers Twin Sister Daisy May (b 1917) Fitzpatrick/Roberts (No Marriage found) Lived with Lewis Price Roberts in Liverpool S Two Daughters found, of which I have Birth Certificates. Patricia Roberts b 1946. Elizabeth Roberts b 1948. I have found no sign of any of their Marriages or Deaths. I think Daisy May was Alive in 1960 as on Patricia's Birth Certificate the Fathers name had been added in 1960. I now Believe that when their Mother died their father was already Dead and the girls had been left underage, in 1960 they would be Patricia 14yrs Elizabeth 12yrs. My Request is Are there any records around about Foster Care Homes or Orphanages for that time line, and are they online? Ron Fitzpatrick

If the family had not purchased the grave it remained under the control of the cemetery authority. So, they could fill up one grave before digging another. In one of the cemetery records of my family it gives the depth at which the coffin was buried - in one case 12 feet leaving plenty of room for more ..... Ruth Sent from my iPhone > On 14 Sep 2014, at 04:02, Dianne Hughes via <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Afternoon, > I've found the same thing with my Evans in Toxteth, I thought perhaps > they were paupers and they "just" buried them in any spare spot they had. > Dianne Hues >> Hello Listers, >> >> While rechecking burial details on some ancestors buried in Toxteth cemetery, I realized I could type in a grave # and up came the names of whoever is buried in that particular grave. What shocked me is that in both the graves I have ancestors buried in, there is an entire family (in one case) and 4 separate individuals (in the other) buried with them! >> >> There is absolutely no connection between the others and our family, plus the others are not mentioned on the tombstones or have their own tombstone. >> >> Was it common to "sell " space or give space in burial plots to unconnected families or individuals? >> >> Sandra >> >> >> >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> >> Admin Message - List guidelines: >> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >> >> The list admin can be contacted at >> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Listers, While rechecking burial details on some ancestors buried in Toxteth cemetery, I realized I could type in a grave # and up came the names of whoever is buried in that particular grave. What shocked me is that in both the graves I have ancestors buried in, there is an entire family (in one case) and 4 separate individuals (in the other) buried with them! There is absolutely no connection between the others and our family, plus the others are not mentioned on the tombstones or have their own tombstone. Was it common to "sell " space or give space in burial plots to unconnected families or individuals? Sandra

Thank you for sending this. You may already know that Dr W Henry Duncan of Liverpool was the first ever, I think, Medical Officer of Health. There is a pub bearing his name in St John's Lane, Liverpool. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Henry_Duncan Marj Just in case anyone connected to this family, this memorial is on the wall of Elgin Cathedral. WILLIAM HENRY DUNCAN M.D. OF LIVERPOOL SON-IN-LAW OF WM. DUNCAN MACANDREW OF LIVERPOOL AND ANNE FORSYTHE HIS WIFE DIED AT ELGIN ON THE 23RD MAY 1863, AGED 57. CATHERINE MACANDREW, WIDOW OF THE ABOVE PASSED AWAY AT RICHMOND, SURREY ON THE 7TH FEBRUARY 1909, AGED 78 THERE REMAINETH THEREFORE A REST TO THE PEOPLE OF GOD HEB. IV.9 https://www.flickr.com/photos/doffcocker/15013632250/in/set-7215764704466111 0/ http://goo.gl/Ocw6kY https://www.flickr.com/photos/doffcocker/sets/72157647044661110/ http://goo.gl/RNvQ3n Martin Briscoe Fort William martin@mbriscoe.me.uk ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4015/8201 - Release Date: 09/12/14

Just in case anyone connected to this family, this memorial is on the wall of Elgin Cathedral. WILLIAM HENRY DUNCAN M.D. OF LIVERPOOL SON-IN-LAW OF WM. DUNCAN MACANDREW OF LIVERPOOL AND ANNE FORSYTHE HIS WIFE DIED AT ELGIN ON THE 23RD MAY 1863, AGED 57. CATHERINE MACANDREW, WIDOW OF THE ABOVE PASSED AWAY AT RICHMOND, SURREY ON THE 7TH FEBRUARY 1909, AGED 78 THERE REMAINETH THEREFORE A REST TO THE PEOPLE OF GOD HEB. IV.9 https://www.flickr.com/photos/doffcocker/15013632250/in/set-7215764704466111 0/ http://goo.gl/Ocw6kY https://www.flickr.com/photos/doffcocker/sets/72157647044661110/ http://goo.gl/RNvQ3n Martin Briscoe Fort William martin@mbriscoe.me.uk

One of my most rewarding research options has been to also research the families of the brothers and the sisters quite thoroughly - especially on the census, they can turn up stuff like mother in laws - revealing maiden names etc, and missing people from your direct line can be staying with them Also your ancestor might have said just born in Lancashire - their sibling might have added the town as well. Marriage witnesses and death informants can also yield hints as to a sisters married name or her husband. Mary, in sunny NZ -------Original Message------- From: Lynne via Date: 10/09/2014 6:17:15 a.m. Subject: [ENG-LIV] Brick Wall Solutions Many of us (all of us?) have hit a brick wall or two in our research. Perhaps the suggestions offered in the free online GenealogyInTime Magazine will prompt some lateral thinking and help break down some of those walls. See http://www.genealogyintime com/GenealogyResources/Articles/50_best_genealogy_brick_wall_solutions_part1_ age_01.html Or http://tinyurl.com/c9lthc6 For their suggestions. If you can add to these tips, please post your suggestions to the list. Happy researching! Lynne ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mary Thanks for your advice. Good lateral thinking! Kind regards, Lynne "faraway@xtra.co.nz" <faraway@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > >One of my most rewarding research options has been to also research the >families of the brothers and the sisters quite thoroughly - especially on >the census, they can turn up stuff like mother in laws - revealing maiden >names etc, and missing people from your direct line can be staying with them > Also your ancestor might have said just born in Lancashire - their sibling >might have added the town as well. >Marriage witnesses and death informants can also yield hints as to a sisters >married name or her husband.

Some events which may be of interest to you. ~~~~~ SEPTEMBER 2014 ~~~~~ 11 September - 14 September HERITAGE OPEN DAYS: experience local history, architecture and culture throughout the country.. - See more at: http://www.heritageopendays.org.uk 13 September 2 pm to 3:30 pm - MANCHESTER & LANCASHIRE FHS Oldham Branch Meeting. "The Origins of Surnames" -- their meanings, pronunciations, changes over time and nicknames -- presented by Peter Watson. Nominal fee. Gallery Oldham is close to Oldham Central Metrolink stop. Gallery Oldham, Oldham Cultural Quarter, Greaves St, Oldham OL1 1AL http://www.oldham.mlfhs.org.uk/ 13 September 14 September 10 am - BOLTON STEAM MUSEUM - September Steamings Volunteers from the Northern Mill Engine Society have rescued and restored 27 old stationary steam engines - some of the engines which once powered the cotton mills of Lancashire. Our collection includes 5 engines built in Bolton, including one which is unique - the only engine of this particular type to survive anywhere in the world! Most of the engines will be running in steam on these 2 days. Wm Morrison Supermarket, Bolton BL1 4EU Telephone: 01204 846490 Email: dlewis66@talktalk.net Website: http://www.nmes.org 20 September 10 am to 4:30 pm - LEICESTERSHIRE & RUTLAND FHS 40th Anniversary Fair. Fifty tables of exhibitors: commercial genealogy companies, local societies, and family history societies. Plenty of free parking space. Nominal admission charged. Snack bar open all day. The Leicester Racecourse, Leicester Rd, Oadby, Leicester LE2 4AL http://www.lrfhs.org.uk/ 20 September SOCIETY OF GENEALOGISTS Open Day Library Tours & Advice, spaces limited. Free, but must be pre-booked. For more information, see http://www.sog.org.uk/books-courses/events-courses/category/free-talks-tours/ or telephone: 020 7553 3290 27 September 10 am to 4 pm - BRISTOL AND AVON FHS Open Day The UWE Exhibition and Conference Centre University of the West of England, Frenchay Campus, Coldharbour Lane, Bristol BS34 8QZ Info: http://www.bafhs.org.uk/index.php ~~~~~ OCTOBER 2014 ~~~~~ 1 October 7.30 pm - MANCHESTER & LANCASHIRE FHS Bolton & District Branch A presentation about the Atlantic / Arctic convoys by David Chadwick, co-author of "High Seas to Home, Daily Dispatches from a Frigate at War". Help Desk afterwards, Genealogy magazine collection and swop service offered. Bolton Cricket Club (Back door), Bishops Road, Farnworth BL3 2JB Enquiries to boltonnews@mlfhs.org.uk 4 October 9 am to 4:30 pm - DEVON FHS Annual Conference - "In which they served - finding your family in wartime." Programme details, Speakers and Exhibitors, plus online booking available via http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/pdfs/events/20141004-agm-prog-and-booking.pdf The Mint Methodist Church, Fore Street, Exeter EX4 3AT http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/agm.htm 4 October 2014 10:00 am to 4 pm - OXFORDSHIRE FHS Family History Fair Admission is free, as is parking, and it is fully accessible. The Marlborough School, Shipton Road, Woodstock, OX20 1LP http://www.ofhs.org.uk/OpenDay.html or telephone 01235 799374 4 October 10:30 am to 12.30 pm - MANCHESTER & LANCASHIRE FHS Beginner Courses. Wills, administrations and other issues relating to probate. Free to members of MLFHS but a small fee is payable on the day by non-members which will be refunded if the person joins MLFHS on that day. Performance Space on the ground floor at Manchester Central Library, Elliot House, 151 Deansgate, Manchester M3 3WD Whether a member or non-member, please book for this event https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/beginners-course-5-new-sources-in-the-19th-20th-centuries-tickets-11413655551?ref=ebtnebregn or http://tinyurl.com/mjlxgl7 11 October 2 pm - MANCHESTER & LANCASHIRE FHS Oldham Branch. Speaker: Cpl Stewart Cook. Topic: 24th Manchesters in Italy - Oldham`s own comrades, the 24th Manchester Regiment fought on the western front as an infantry battalion, but was converted to a pioneer battalion and sent to Italy, not only did they have to fight but to dig, build and repair. Nominal charge. Education Suite, Gallery Oldham, Greaves Street, Oldham OL1 1AL http://www.oldham.mlfhs.org.uk/ 18 October 10 am - BERKSHIRE FHS One-day Conference: The early twentieth century: conflict and change. Nick Barratt heads a team of around a dozen leading speakers from academia and the world of professional genealogy. Lunch is included in the registration fee. Theale Green School, Church Street, Theale, Berkshire RG7 5DA http://www.berksfhs.org.uk 25 October 10 am to 4 pm - CAMBRIDGESHIRE FHS Fair. More than 20 stalls including: family and local history societies, photo identification, postcards, charts, storage and more. Girton Glebe Primary School, Cambridge Road, Girton, CB3 http://www.cfhs.org.uk 26 October 9:30 am to 4:30 pm - The JEWISH GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY OF GREAT BRITAIN 21st Annual London One-Day Conference. Keynote Speaker Dr. Sharman Kadish; Guest Speakers: Pamela Weisberger of Gesher Galicia; Myko Clelland of Findmypast; Martin Sugarman of the Jewish Military Museum; Martin D. Lee on the Singer John Braham and Anna Haward from the Tower Hamlets Local History Library and Archives. Admission includes lunch and refreshments Jewish Museum London, Raymond Burton House, 129-131 Albert St, London NW1 7NB. http://www.jgsgb.org.uk/ ~~~~~NOVEMBER 2014~~~~~ 8 November 2 pm - MANCHESTER & LANCASHIRE FHS Oldham Branch. Speaker: Ian Gibson, retired Head of Lancashire County Museum Service. Topic: The Lancashire Textile Industry and how it can be seen in 2014, a flavour of the once vast scale of the Lancashire textile industry and how a little of it is being preserved for future generations. Education Suite, Gallery Oldham, Greaves Street, Oldham OL1 1AL http://www.oldham.mlfhs.org.uk/ 22 November 1 pm to 4 pm - BOLTON LADS AND GIRLS CLUB will be reunited as the organisation celebrates its 125th birthday. Everyone associated with the club is invited to meet up with old friends, share memories and take along photographs and enjoy reflecting on the success of the club over the last 125 years. More information on the celebrations is available from Suzanne Wheeler 01204 540101. http://www.boltonladsandgirlsclub.co.uk ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ More events: Society of Genealogists (SOG) events and lectures can be found at http://www.sog.org.uk/events/calendar.shtml GENUKI calendar of events can be found at http://geneva.weald.org.uk/ Kew: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/events/calendar.htm Check with your local FHS! Each family history society has its own calendar of events. Be sure to consult the web site of the FHS closest to you or your area of interest for more events.

Many of us (all of us?) have hit a brick wall or two in our research. Perhaps the suggestions offered in the free online GenealogyInTime Magazine will prompt some lateral thinking and help break down some of those walls. See http://www.genealogyintime.com/GenealogyResources/Articles/50_best_genealogy_brick_wall_solutions_part1_page_01.html or http://tinyurl.com/c9lthc6 for their suggestions. If you can add to these tips, please post your suggestions to the list. Happy researching! Lynne

>From our friends at Lancashire BMD: 13 August 2014 Added 1,502 Deaths for Blackburn RD comprising: Blackburn (1966-1968) Added 94 Marriages for Lancaster RD comprising: Pressall Register Office or Registrar Attended (1947-1973) Added 2,726 Marriages for Bury RD comprising: Bury, St.John (1901-1916); Bury, St.Mary (1904-1925); Bury, St.Peter (1901-1911); Bury Register Office or Registrar Attended (1910-1916) 21 August 2014 Added 502 Births for Trafford RD comprising: Urmston (1951-1952) Added 6,474 Births for Bury RD comprising: Radcliffe (1917-1934) Added 18,127 Deaths for Manchester RD comprising: Bradford (1908-1936) ~ ~ ~ ~ Cheshire and Yorkshire BMD have also been updated. Many thanks to all responsible! Search for your ancestors in Lancashire at http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk or use the multi-region search at http://www.ukbmdsearch.org.uk/ Happy searching! Lynne

Hello This is my first time writing to you. I'm researching the Elder family they came from the Borders of Scotland, Robert Stewart Elder m: Annie Sinfield 1907 they had four children. Annie Evelyne Elder b:1908 at Todmorden Irene Elder b: 1912 Todmorden John Elder b: 1912 Liverpool Robert Stewart Elder b:1920 Liverpool. Annie m: Jolly 1939 Liverpool they had a daughter Jean S Jolly 1939 Liverpool Irene m: Reginald Masters 1933 Leeds North John me: Annie Davis 1948 Liverpool Robert Stewart me Mirian Wilson 1963 they had son Robert S Elder b: 1965 If any listers can help I would be very grateful. Bob Elder

In case you missed it, "The Real Mill" with Tony Robinson can be seen online at http://www.channel4.com Those living outside the UK can view the programme on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrwsnXxcjCQ "In this two-part series Tony Robinson explores the true story of the factory workers whose blood, sweat and toil forged the Industrial Revolution. He finds out how they rose up to launch a wave of social change that laid the foundation for the country we know today. His investigation focuses on Quarry Bank Mill in Cheshire, which inspired Channel 4's drama series The Mill. In this first episode, Tony and social historian Professor Emma Griffin discover who the mill workers were and where they came from. They included orphan children who were legally bound to work at the mill, and adult workers who trekked hundreds of miles from the deprived South of England to secure work. Tony explores how the mill's visionary founder, Samuel Greg, offered this workforce an extraordinary deal." Lynne

Found a Great Uncle today, I had been looking for him for a long time. Found he was living in Everton in 1924 at 46, Landseer Road, he had been a Merchant Seaman during the 1st World War. His records are as follows: Robert Kelly, bc 1887 in Widnes, Parents Bridgett and Peter Kelly. If anyone recognises this information please contact me. Thanks for reading.....Meg

Can anyone help with who was living at 91 Boaler St in March 1896?My Great aunt Mary Ellen Raab died there at the age of 19 months, though her mother lived at 163 Victoria Square.Thanks!Penstemon 5

Trying again as still looking for relatives connected to this ancestor! Wondering if anyone has connections to the MYLES/MILES family of County Louth Ireland and Patrick MILES/MYLES who moved to Liverpool. Patrick MYLES/MILES was one of the sons of Joseph MYLES and Bridget MCMAHON, Joseph was the school teacher at Ballapousta school 1841-1883 Joseph Miles - Principal 1870-1883 Mrs. Brigid E. Miles - Assistant Patrick was one of a large family - John Thomas 15th September 1844 Sponsors Thomas MANLY and Bridget MCLOUGHLIN Joseph 23rd September 1845 Sponsors Matthew Johnston and Cate GRIMES Patrick in 1846 James 10th September 1848 Sponsor Joseph MANLY and Bridget HALPENNY Michael 17th March 1850 Sponsors Thomas GANLY (think this is a mistranscription and is the same Thomas as with John) Rose FITZSIMMONS Philip 27th April 1851 Sponsors Nicholas LYNCH and Mary FRENCH Laurence 23rd January 1853 Pat HUGHES and Margaret DONNELLY Anna Maria 16th April 1854 Matthew COLEMAN and Jane MONAHAN Mary Jane in September 1855 – their last child baptized Patrick is in Liverpool England on the 1871 census newly married to Elizabeth nee BROWN. In 1881 he is a widower – he was only 33. Living with him were children James P, Bridget S, Joseph and Mary Jane. In 1891 Patrick was living in Arkwright St and still a widower, his children were still at home - James P, Bridget S, Joseph and Mary J. This is the census that says Patrick was born in Co Louth, Ireland. His sister, Mary J MILES also born Co Louth was living with the family too. James P MILES (my ancestor) married Teresa DOYLE in Liverpool in 1893 – at St Joseph’s Catholic Church Surname First name(s) District Vol Page ________________________________________Marriages Jun 1893 (>99%) ________________________________________ Doyle Teresa Liverpool 8b234 Miles James Liverpool 8b234 Would love to hear from anyone with connections! -- Dot Holden Dover Kent UK There are three things that can never be retrieved, the spoken word, time past and the neglected opportunity