Admin - Forwarded request from a none list member please reply direct to Pete if you are interested. I am in the process of reviewing the Provincial Archives of New Brunswick microfilms on the above for Surnames of interest to me and have transcribed a Registration Form on the marriage of one John SWEENEY, son of James and Mary QUINN, who gave his Place of Birth as Liverpool, England. This marriage took place in Saint John, N. B. on January 23, 1896. Please respond directly to Pete Maher at pgmaher@nb.sympatico.ca if you would like a copy of the transcription. Please note that due to the manner in which I have formatted this transcription it is not compatible for inclusion in the body of an E-Mail but can be sent as an Attachment. Regards, Pete Maher St. Stephen, New Brunswick

Thank you Marged for the info on Ariel Street. For some reason I did not see my original posting, must be doing something wrong. Cheers Barry

Ariel Street was off St John's Road, Bootle, close to the Alexandra Dock Railway line Just a little Street, probably not there now. (Edwardian A-Z of Liverpool circa 1909) Marged When I obtained the marriage certificate of my maternal grandfather, William Williams to Mary Looms, May 1899, I noted that he gave his address as 13 Ariel Street. Kirkdale, Liverpool and his occupation as Dock Labourer. A look at the 1901 census reveals that he would have been staying with his elder brother Thomas Williams, aged 28 in 1901 and a General Labourer. This is the entry: Thomas Williams, Head, 28 Gen Lab born Llanfachraeth, Anglesey Ellen Williams, wife, 25 Thomas Williams son 7 John Williams son 5 Christina Williams dau 1 Owen Hughes Boarder 25 Robert Jones Boarder 19 The 1911 census shows the family still living at 13 Ariel Street Thomas Williams, Head 38 Cotton Porter Interestingly the wife and children have expanded their names by adding (presumably) the wife’s maiden name, thus: Ellen Elizabeth Glynn Williams, wife 35 Thomas Glynn Williams son 17 Van Porter John Glynn Williams son 15 Christina Williams dau 11 School The 1911 record indicate that the couple had had 5 children 2 having died. I cannot see Ariel Street on the modern maps of Liverpool, are there any old street maps available to view on line? I wonder if SKS can connect with this family and if I have further kinsfolk in Liverpool? Barry ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

unsubscribe > From: bispham_@tiscali.co.uk > To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 16:45:40 +0100 > Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] WWI research > > many thanks > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "dave" <davey.gravey@sympatico.ca> > To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 1:57 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] WWI research > > > > Joe, the July issue of "Family Tree magazine" has an article with > > resources > > for tracing WW1 members of the armed services. Well worth reading. > > Good Luck Joe. > > > > > > Dave D. > > > >> I wonder if any can advise how to research WWI soldier records? I have > >> just > >> been to the battlefields of the Somme and was so moved by the > >> experience.I did > >> try to find the records of my GG grandfather once before but no luck. > >> MATTHEW SUMMERS born and died in Liverpool.I know he served in the army > >> as he > >> recieved a pension because he was gassed.I checked the medal record cards > >> and > >> found 3 other with the same name and no way of identifying the right one. > >> I > >> suspect he served in the Lancashire Fusillers,but not confirmed.I did try > >> some > >> pension records but no luck.I have a photo of him in uniform but it is > >> the > >> 'demob' uniform which many wore after the war just for photos. > >> I would be grateful for a push in the right direction ,jan bispham > >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > >> > >> Admin Message - List guidelines: > >> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > >> > >> The list admin can be contacted at > >> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > > > The list admin can be contacted at > > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Messenger: Celebrate 10 amazing years with free winks and emoticons. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/

When I obtained the marriage certificate of my maternal grandfather, William Williams to Mary Looms, May 1899, I noted that he gave his address as 13 Ariel Street. Kirkdale, Liverpool and his occupation as Dock Labourer. A look at the 1901 census reveals that he would have been staying with his elder brother Thomas Williams, aged 28 in 1901 and a General Labourer. This is the entry: Thomas Williams, Head, 28 Gen Lab born Llanfachraeth, Anglesey Ellen Williams, wife, 25 Thomas Williams son 7 John Williams son 5 Christina Williams dau 1 Owen Hughes Boarder 25 Robert Jones Boarder 19 The 1911 census shows the family still living at 13 Ariel Street Thomas Williams, Head 38 Cotton Porter Interestingly the wife and children have expanded their names by adding (presumably) the wife’s maiden name, thus: Ellen Elizabeth Glynn Williams, wife 35 Thomas Glynn Williams son 17 Van Porter John Glynn Williams son 15 Christina Williams dau 11 School The 1911 record indicate that the couple had had 5 children 2 having died. I cannot see Ariel Street on the modern maps of Liverpool, are there any old street maps available to view on line? I wonder if SKS can connect with this family and if I have further kinsfolk in Liverpool? Barry

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many thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave" <davey.gravey@sympatico.ca> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] WWI research > Joe, the July issue of "Family Tree magazine" has an article with > resources > for tracing WW1 members of the armed services. Well worth reading. > Good Luck Joe. > > > Dave D. > >> I wonder if any can advise how to research WWI soldier records? I have >> just >> been to the battlefields of the Somme and was so moved by the >> experience.I did >> try to find the records of my GG grandfather once before but no luck. >> MATTHEW SUMMERS born and died in Liverpool.I know he served in the army >> as he >> recieved a pension because he was gassed.I checked the medal record cards >> and >> found 3 other with the same name and no way of identifying the right one. >> I >> suspect he served in the Lancashire Fusillers,but not confirmed.I did try >> some >> pension records but no luck.I have a photo of him in uniform but it is >> the >> 'demob' uniform which many wore after the war just for photos. >> I would be grateful for a push in the right direction ,jan bispham >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> >> Admin Message - List guidelines: >> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >> >> The list admin can be contacted at >> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Joe, the July issue of "Family Tree magazine" has an article with resources for tracing WW1 members of the armed services. Well worth reading. Good Luck Joe. Dave D. > I wonder if any can advise how to research WWI soldier records? I have just > been to the battlefields of the Somme and was so moved by the experience.I did > try to find the records of my GG grandfather once before but no luck. > MATTHEW SUMMERS born and died in Liverpool.I know he served in the army as he > recieved a pension because he was gassed.I checked the medal record cards and > found 3 other with the same name and no way of identifying the right one. I > suspect he served in the Lancashire Fusillers,but not confirmed.I did try some > pension records but no luck.I have a photo of him in uniform but it is the > 'demob' uniform which many wore after the war just for photos. > I would be grateful for a push in the right direction ,jan bispham > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have been reading a history of Liverpool and found that in the Middle-ages surnames often reflected birth place(Lyverpole for example) I have been researching the Bisphams for some time and confirm back to 1780.I am wondering now if they may have originated from BISPHAM itself? Does anyone know if Bispham has parish records which can be searched? Thanks Jan bispham

I wonder if any can advise how to research WWI soldier records? I have just been to the battlefields of the Somme and was so moved by the experience.I did try to find the records of my GG grandfather once before but no luck. MATTHEW SUMMERS born and died in Liverpool.I know he served in the army as he recieved a pension because he was gassed.I checked the medal record cards and found 3 other with the same name and no way of identifying the right one. I suspect he served in the Lancashire Fusillers,but not confirmed.I did try some pension records but no luck.I have a photo of him in uniform but it is the 'demob' uniform which many wore after the war just for photos. I would be grateful for a push in the right direction ,jan bispham

This sounds like one of the homes for unmarried mothers which many of the Roman Catholic religious orders ran. The mothers were given shelter to have their babies and in return had to work often in laundries as a 'penance' for their sinful behaviour. Some of them were very cruelly treated. There's a picture of the convent - before conversion into residential units at http://www.georgiangroup.org.uk/docs/cases/index.php?id=3:18:0:0 A discussion about the conversion on a Liverpool forum says > It then became a home for unmarried mothers run by the RC Church. > The nuns having previously moved from a large house in the Dingle HTH Anne On 2 Aug 2009, at 19:09, Bosie wrote: > Just found my Gran and Mum on the 1911 census at Kelton Convent, > House for > Penetants and children, Woodlands Road, Aigburth. Gran was stated > as being > an inmate and working as a laundry assistant (attached to home), > Gran was 22 > and Mum was 3 years old. Can anyone give me any information about > the home > at that time, and where I may be able to see any records? Thank you in > advance, all info much appreciated. > Rosemary

I have just done a Google for Kelton Convent, there is some bits of info to be had on http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9746 Best wishes. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bosie" <bosiebosie@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-LIVERPOOL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 7:09 PM Subject: [ENG-LIV] Kelton Convent > Just found my Gran and Mum on the 1911 census at Kelton Convent, House for > Penetants and children, Woodlands Road, Aigburth. Gran was stated as > being > an inmate and working as a laundry assistant (attached to home), Gran was > 22 > and Mum was 3 years old. Can anyone give me any information about the > home > at that time, and where I may be able to see any records? Thank you in > advance, all info much appreciated. > Rosemary > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.41/2277 - Release Date: 08/02/09 05:56:00

Just found my Gran and Mum on the 1911 census at Kelton Convent, House for Penetants and children, Woodlands Road, Aigburth. Gran was stated as being an inmate and working as a laundry assistant (attached to home), Gran was 22 and Mum was 3 years old. Can anyone give me any information about the home at that time, and where I may be able to see any records? Thank you in advance, all info much appreciated. Rosemary

Yes, I think this could be what happened, TJ. I did find a similar article from the newspapers of the day as sent in constantly by Jane Campbell (thanks Jane) http://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/pilotboat1.html Sometimes people forget exactly what happened - 23 people died, but it was the sinking of the Liverpool Pilot Boat that caused the deaths - not people being swept away. Ainsdale Beach doesn't really have the sort of tide (I don't think - I'm no expert) that would sweep 16 people away. I have written to the lady concerned pointing this out to her; it's unlikely that two such incidents happened here so close to each other. Thank you for your interest Marged

"I am writing on behalf of my sister in law Her grandfather, George Frederick Hollis, aged 58, lived in Jubilee Drive, Liverpool 7. He was at Ainsdale Beach with his two sons over the bank holiday in August 1938 . He was one of around 16 people who died when they were swept out to sea. The lifeboat was called out. I have tried searching newspaper archives but can find no mention of this. Does anyone remember hearing of this incident?" Sent in by Marged, but not her story - from today's local paper.

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Could this be what happened? http://www.martyngriff.co.uk/page05.htm On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Marged <marged36@btinternet.com> wrote: > "I am writing on behalf of my sister in law > > Her grandfather, George Frederick Hollis, aged 58, lived in Jubilee Drive, > Liverpool 7. > > >

>From http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/update.html - Added 14,571 BIRTHS for Bury RD comprising: Birtle (1895-1899); Bury North (1860-1871); Elton (1856-1869); Holcombe (1866-1875); Prestwich (1865-1867); Walmersley (1858-1895) Added 2,177 MARRIAGES for Rochdale RD comprising: Heywood, Baptist Chapel (1917-1918); Castleton, United Reformed Church (1917-1918); Chadderton, Middleton Juncton, Methodist Church (1918-1918); Wardle, Methodist Chapel (1917-1918); Rochdale, Trinity Methodist Church (1917-1918); Heywood, Mission Chapel (1917-1918); Littleborough, Methodist Church (Dearnley) (1918-1918); Middleton, Methodist Church (Long Street) (1917-1918); Rochdale, Smallbridge Methodist Church (1917-1918); Middleton, Providence United Reformed (1917-1918); Littleborough, Methodist Church (Victoria Street) (1917-1918); Rochdale, Castlemere Methodist Church (formerly United Methodist, William Street) (1917-1918); Rochdale, St Andrews United Reformed Church (1917-1918); Heywood, Trinity Methodist Church (1917-1918); Castleton, Castleton Moor Methodist Church (1917-1918); Bamford, United Reformed Church (1917-1918); Rochdale, Brimrod Methodist Church (1917-1918); Heywood, United Reformed Church (1917-1918); Newhey, Ogden Baptist Church (1918-1918); Rochdale, Wesley Chapel (1917-1918); Heywood, Bethel Chapel (1917-1918); Littleborough, Methodist Chapel (Church Street (1917-1918); Rochdale, Methodist Chapel (Union Street) (1917-1918); Milnrow, Wesley Chapel (1917-1917); Rochdale, Methodist Church (Lowerplace) (1917-1918); Norden, Methodist Chapel (Lanehead) (1917-1918); Castleton, Methodist Church (Heywood Road) (1918-1918); Littleborough, Temple Methodist Chapel (1917-1918); Heap Bridge, Bethel Chapel (1917-1918); Heywood, Salem Methodist Chapel (1917-1918); Balderstone, St Mary (1917-1918); Rochdale, St Chad (1917-1918); Wardleworth, St Mary the Virgin (1917-1918); Rochdale, The Good Shepherd (1917-1918); Deeplish, St Lukes Church Centre (1917-1918); Sudden, St Aidan (1917-1918); Rochdale, St Clements (1917-1918); Birch, St Mary (1917-1918); Belfield, St Ann (1917-1918); Middleton, St Leonard (1917-1918); Middleton Juncton, St Gabriel (1917-1918); Middleton, Holy Trinity (1917-1918); Rhodes, All Saints (1917-1918); Thornham, St John (1917-1918); Tonge, St Michael (1917-1918); Bamford, St Michael (1917-1918); Birtle, St John (1917-1918); Heywood, All Souls (1917-1918); Castleton Moor, St Martin (1917-1918); Heap Bridge, St George (1917-1918); Heywood, St James (1917-1918); Heywood, St Luke (1917-1918); Hopwood, St John (1917-1918); Milnrow, St James (1917-1918); Newhey, St Thomas (1917-1918); Calderbrook, St James (1917-1918); Dearnley, St Andrews (1917-1918); Wardleworth, St James (1917-1918); Littleborough, Holy Trinity (1917-1918); Falinge, St Edmund (1917-1918); Shore, St Barnabas (1917-1918); Smallbridge, St John the Baptist (1917-1918); Wardle, St James the Apostle (1917-1918); Rochdale, St Albans (1917-1918); Hamer, All Saints (1917-1918); Healey, Christ Church (1917-1918); Newbold, St Peter (1917-1918); Norden, St Paul (1917-1918); Rochdale Register Office or Registrar Attended (1917-1918) Added 1,627 MARRIAGES for St. Helens RD comprising: St. Helens, Wesley Chapel, Corporation Street (1904-1973); St. Helens, Wesleyan Methodist Chapel (1918-1962); St. Helens, Methodist Chapel, Parr Stocks Road (1949-1969); St. Helens, Congregational Chapel, Ormskirk Street (1943-1979); St. Helens, Newton Congregational Chapel (1953-1979); Peasley Cross United Reformed Church, Sutton Road (1956-1987) Added 5, 910 DEATHS for Rochdale RD comprising: Wardleworth (1892-1901); Wuerdle and Wardle (1887-1895) Added 43,428 DEATHS for Wigan RD comprising: Ashton (1875-1882); Aspull (1871-1881); Atherton (1871-1881); Culcheth (1871-1882); Hindley (1871-1881); Lowton (1873-1880); Pemberton (1871-1881); Standish (1872-1881); Upholland (1873-1881); Wigan (1871-1881); Westleigh (1872-1882) ~ ~ ~ ~ Search for your ancestors in Lancashire at <http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/> or use the multi-region search at <http://www.ukbmdsearch.org.uk/>. Many thanks to all responsible! If you'd like to convey your thanks for this splendid work, go to <http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/mailme.php> and leave a message. I'm sure they would appreciate it. :-) Lynne

Unsubscribe On 1/08/09 2:24 AM, "mary" <4u1seeks@telus.net> wrote: > Hi Claire > > Lynne has some on her site mersetside web siter than that a newspaper. > Mary from Surrey BC Canada > > >> Does anybody know whether there are any records of Liverpool publicans >> transferring their licenses and what information they might contain? I >> have found at least two occasions of an ancestor transferring her license >> in the Liverpool Mercury and two incidences of her appearing before the >> police courts for Sunday trading. >> >> I haven't researched a publican before so any guidance would be >> appreciated. >> >> Thank you >> >> Claire >> >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> >> Admin Message - List guidelines: >> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >> >> The list admin can be contacted at >> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Claire, According to the Dictionary of Genealogy, "the Municipal Corporations Act, 1835 took administrative control of the towns away from the justices, and in 1888 the Local Government Act transferred administrative control of the counties to county councils". So depending upon the exact location of your ancestor's pub, ie within or without the town boundaries, the records will (should) be in the Liverpool Corporation records, or the Quarter Session records for Lancashire. The Justices of the Peace, who ran the Court of Quarter Sessions were responsible for administering "ale houses" until the reforms mentioned above. Many of the Quarter Session records have been microfilmed by the LDS, and can be ordered into your local LDS library. Hope this helps David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Claire To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:37 PM Subject: [ENG-LIV] Researching a Publican in the 1860's Does anybody know whether there are any records of Liverpool publicans transferring their licenses and what information they might contain? I have found at least two occasions of an ancestor transferring her license in the Liverpool Mercury and two incidences of her appearing before the police courts for Sunday trading. I haven't researched a publican before so any guidance would be appreciated. Thank you Claire