I have, in the past, tried to connect with people that I am certain have a connection to my family line via G/reunited. Many times I have not received a reply, So I have to ask myself why do these no answering types even bother? What is the point. Even if a person replied to me saying "sorry not interested" but silence I consider bad manners. These are all issues that stem from too much access to too much information to fast. Its the new reality in the age of cyberspace Dave > Hi Karen, > > I couldn't agree with you more. I have only put the barest of bare bones of > my tree on Genes Reunited, just enough for genuine cousins to recognise the > link, for the same reason. > > I too have found that my ancestors and my husband's have been co-opted into > other people's trees despite the fact that there is no connection, and the > people concerned do not seem to want to be corrected. I share willingly > with genuine cousins, only to find that one or two of them do not give me > any recognition for the years of research I have done when they pass it on > to even more cousins. > > Hey ho, at least I know I am going up the right trees and my research should > stand the test if my children ever decide to carry it on. > > Do I recall that some years ago one of these commercial sites claimed that > the copyright on trees posted on their site was their property? > > Lesley > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Karen Sorrell > Sent: 17 August 2009 02:01 > > > > Hi Sue, > > I don't actually believe it be carelessness - I have found that it's > frequently just plain laziness. Family history has become such a popular > pursuit and the advent of the internet has led many to believe that if they > just hop online, they'll have their entire family history back to Adam and > Eve in a single afternoon. Of course, Ancestry doesn't help the situation > with its One World Tree feature which tries frantically to connect your > rellies with everyone else's! > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Karen, I couldn't agree with you more. I have only put the barest of bare bones of my tree on Genes Reunited, just enough for genuine cousins to recognise the link, for the same reason. I too have found that my ancestors and my husband's have been co-opted into other people's trees despite the fact that there is no connection, and the people concerned do not seem to want to be corrected. I share willingly with genuine cousins, only to find that one or two of them do not give me any recognition for the years of research I have done when they pass it on to even more cousins. Hey ho, at least I know I am going up the right trees and my research should stand the test if my children ever decide to carry it on. Do I recall that some years ago one of these commercial sites claimed that the copyright on trees posted on their site was their property? Lesley -----Original Message----- From: eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Karen Sorrell Sent: 17 August 2009 02:01 Hi Sue, I don't actually believe it be carelessness - I have found that it's frequently just plain laziness. Family history has become such a popular pursuit and the advent of the internet has led many to believe that if they just hop online, they'll have their entire family history back to Adam and Eve in a single afternoon. Of course, Ancestry doesn't help the situation with its One World Tree feature which tries frantically to connect your rellies with everyone else's!

I am lucky enough to live in essex where the library service offers free use of Ancestry for one hour sessions. trying to find a few dead ends I took advantage of ancestry today and whilst it didn't help in my search for individuals, as i had some time left i played with the rest of it! Putting in the name Bispham in the criminal bit I found two Bisphams in the lIverpool Assizes,one a Thomas(very much a family name) and the other Ann.Both transported one in 1812 the other 1831 , both for larceny(one from the river).Now I cannot prove these are my Bisphams as yet but as it is an unusual name I feel there may be a link.My question is...How do I find further records of judgements,which may give full details of accused and how do find out about transportees? Any guidance appreciated. regards jan bispham

Hello all! Missed me? :o) I've just returned from two weeks in sunny Spain, and am returning to my usual 'duty' of letting listers know what's been uploaded onto the Lancashire OPC site. Apparently it's been suffering with server problems but it is back online now, although the search facility is still out of action. Well done to Paul and all his co-ordinators and transcribers for their hardwork that goes towards making this site such a success. http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 14 August 2009 Baptisms 1888 and 1900 from the Parish of Church Kirk Baptisms 1879 to 1886 from the Parish of Farnworth near Prescot Baptisms 1804 to 1806 from the Parish of Hoghton Baptisms 1845 to 1886 from the Parish of Lowton Marriages 1847 to 1881 from the Church of New St George in the Parish of Stalybridge Marriages 1784 to 1803 and 1837 to 1900 from the Parish of Woodplumpton 13 August 2009 Marriages 1864 to 1896 from St Andrew in the Parish of Ashton on Ribble Baptisms 1887 to 1909 from Christ Church, Walmsley, Bolton Baptisms 1847 to 1848 from the Church of St Peter, Liverpool Marriages 1892 to 1901 from the Church of St Clement, Toxteth, Liverpool Marriages 1859 to 1861 from the Church of St Mary, Walton on the Hill, Liverpool Baptisms 1899 to 1902 from the Church of St Bridget, Wavertree, Liverpool Marriages 1897 to 1900 from Christ Church in Fulwood, Preston Burials 1836 to 1846 from the Church of St Paul, Royton Baptisms 1907 to 1910 from St Clement, Ordsall Marriages 1837 to 1900 from the Parish of Samlesbury Banns of Marriage 1848 to 1880 from the Parish of Tarleton Baptisms 1758 and 1774 from the Parish of Whitworth 12 August 2009 Baptisms and Burials 1776 to 1812 from the Parish of Hoole Burials 1805 to 1812 from the Parish of Middleton Baptisms 1653 to 1674, Marriages 1557 to 1626 and 1899 to 1911 and Burials 1678 to 1699 from the Parish of Ormskirk Burials 1843 to 1848 from St Mary the Virgin in the Parish of Prestwich First part of the Register for 1843 to 1850 Marriages 1837 to 1848 from the Parish of Rainford Baptisms 1799 and 1811, Marriages 1831 and Burials 1802 from St Chad in the Town of Rochdale 10 August 2009 Baptisms 1865 to 1876 from the Church of St Thomas, in the District of Ardwick, Manchester Burials 1849 to 1860 from the church of St Paul in the Parish of Blackburn Baptisms 1829 and 1841 from the Parish of Clitheroe Baptisms 1937 to 1955 from St Thomas, Dixon Green, Farnworth Baptisms 1728 to 1812 and 1829 to 1854 from the Parish of Goodshaw Burials 1755 to 1893 from the Parish of Goodshaw 4 August 2009 Marriages 1933 to 1951 from Cheetham Hill Wesleyan Methodist Chapel, Crumpsall, Manchester Baptisms 1887 to 1911 from St Thomas, Dixon Green, Farnworth Burials 1830 to 1837 from the Church of St Mary the Virgin in the Parish of Leigh Marriages 1848 to 1920 from St Thomas in the Parish of Lydiate Marriages 1838 to 1906 and Burials 1796 to 1813 from the Church of St Peter, in the City of Manchester Burials 1699 to 1742 from the Parish of Ormskirk Marriages and Burials 1846 to 1850 from the Church of St Helen (formerly St Mary) in the Parish of St Helens 2 August 2009 Baptisms 1908 to 1918 from the Church of St Matthew, Bolton Baptisms 1841 and 1901 from the Parish of Clitheroe Regards, Sally PS. Thank you to everyone who replied to my question about 'Run Away' comments in a baptismal register a couple of weeks back. It's very much appreciated :o)

David, That is very good of you! Thank you.. Sandra, Sutton Coldfield, west Midlands. -----Original Message----- From: eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Armstrong Sent: 17 August 2009 14:58 To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Register office.... Sandra Genuki has list of Register offices and their addresses http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/RegOffice/ David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: sandra whitmore To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 9:02 PM Subject: [ENG-LIV] Register office.... Hi Lister`s, I need to send for some copies of certificates but, not online! Could some kind soul, tell me the address for Toteth Register office and also, The west derby one please?.. Thank you in advance, Sandra. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.58/2308 - Release Date: 08/16/09 21:46:00

Hi Pippa They are having problems with their new server - hopefully, they'll be back in business soon! Regards Maureen -----Original Message----- From: eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pippa Binnie Sent: 17 August 2009 13:17 To: Liverpool List Subject: [ENG-LIV] Lancs OPRs Has anyone else noticed that the online Lancashire OPR site is no more lan-opc.org.uk when you click on it you just get account suspended message. It was just getting interesting. Has it moved? ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lister`s, I need to send for some copies of certificates but, not online! Could some kind soul, tell me the address for Toteth Register office and also, The west derby one please?.. I would be most grateful.. Thank you in advance, Sandra.

Has anyone else noticed that the online Lancashire OPR site is no more lan-opc.org.uk when you click on it you just get account suspended message. It was just getting interesting. Has it moved?

while I agree with ALL of the downsides expressed regarding public trees I have to say that as a result of exploring other public trees and hot contacts I have been able to contact some living relatives which otherwise would probably not have happened. My mother in particular who had not seen her family since she was a child has found this very rewarding. There are other ways of finding lost living relatives which I use but thought it worth mentioning in the interests of a balanced view ........ I still get annoyed a worthless 'hints' and 'hot contacts' but can always ignore them. Dave Carr Paignton On 17 Aug 2009, at 11:51, Sue Miller wrote: Well, it sounds like plenty of us have had similar experiences...thank goodness the careless and lazy researchers are the minority. I soon learned not to make my tree available to anyone who asked...apparently 'can I view your tree' means 'let me copy your tree' to some people. Until this week I hadn't really explored the public trees on Ancestry.co.uk but having just started my own tree on Ancestry with a few names, I am receiving 'Hints' from them and can understand how a newbie might think the 'expert' site has found a bona fide ancestor. The 'hint' I received today has found my great grandmothers death on the GRO index based on the date I entered...but this death is in her maiden name so what use is that? My next task is to delete the names I've put on Ancestry.

Well, it sounds like plenty of us have had similar experiences...thank goodness the careless and lazy researchers are the minority. I soon learned not to make my tree available to anyone who asked...apparently 'can I view your tree' means 'let me copy your tree' to some people. Until this week I hadn't really explored the public trees on Ancestry.co.uk but having just started my own tree on Ancestry with a few names, I am receiving 'Hints' from them and can understand how a newbie might think the 'expert' site has found a bona fide ancestor. The 'hint' I received today has found my great grandmothers death on the GRO index based on the date I entered...but this death is in her maiden name so what use is that? My next task is to delete the names I've put on Ancestry. Sue Surrey _________________________________________________________________ Celebrate a decade of Messenger with free winks, emoticons, display pics, and more. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/

Can't be much fun in it either! I have done a lot of research on my mother's side of the family and have found it really exciting and rewarding with each new 'find'. My brother did my father's side and sent me all the details but I just couldn't feel the same way about it and would rather have done the work myself. Surely that is what it is all about? Jen --original message-- > *From:* "sandra whitmore" <sandrawhitmore@blueyonder.co.uk> > *To:* <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> > *Date:* Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:30:29 +0100 > > Well SAID Karen!!! Sandra In West midlands.. > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Karen Sorrell > Sent: 17 August 2009 02:01 > To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Wrong Ancestors > > > Hi Sue, > > I don't actually believe it be carelessness - I have found that it's > frequently just plain laziness. Family history has become such a > popular > pursuit and the advent of the internet has led many to believe that > if they > just hop online, they'll have their entire family history back to > Adam and > Eve in a single afternoon. Of course, Ancestry doesn't help the > situation > with its One World Tree feature which tries frantically to connect > your > rellies with everyone else's! > > As a professional researcher, I find it offensive when people > blithely help > themselves to the work I have spent more than a decade on and then > either > refuse to answer my polite enquiries as to just how they think their > often > inaccurate information ties in with with mine, or else insist on a > link even > when I send them proof that they're barking up the wrong family tree! > At one > point I had to get the administrators of GenesReunited involved to > stop the > harrassing e-mails I was getting from one particular indivdual, and > all > because I asked him for the evidence that my grandfather's first wife > was in > actuality his great-grandmothe,r as he refused to accept my diligent > - and > throughly sourced - research. > > I have long since stopped updating the trees I have posted on > Rootsweb/Ancestry and GR. I'm accessible by e-mail and if anyone > wants to > contact me, I'm always more than happy to help. Everyone should be > wary of > possible links found online. Do your own research and find the > evidence to > corroborate what you've found. To do anything else is just dishonest. > > Here endeth my rant....;-)) > > Karen in Ontario > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.58/2306 - Release Date: > 08/16/09 > 06:09:00 > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.58/2308 - Release Date: > 08/16/09 21:46:00 >

I think you have hit the nail on the head there - if you don't want to share your work with all and sundry then just don't use the online trees! Keep your tree on your own computer. I have taken a somewhat opposing stance with my work - online trees are for sharing. So many people have helped me and contributed over the years that I am happy effectively to put my tree in the public domain, so it is on Rootsweb, Ancestry and GR. (naturally I always, I hope, get the necessary prior permissions to incorporate others' work, and I find most are happy to agree) Back to Liverpool - one of my worst experiences was having to tell a newly found (via GR) 3rd cousin in Oz that he had the wrong person as his grandfather. His grandmother was my grandfather's cousin so it was not of great importance to me, but he had built up a large network of living cousins in Canada. It was only when another contact via Ancestry pointed out the error that I realized the truth, which was even more bizarre, becaue his real grandfather turned out to be a nephew of my grandfather's first wife!. Before I broke the news I dug back into his real grandfather's ancestry; he was undersatnably a bit upset initially, but some of the details I had found triggered childhood memories which matched my newly found information. He has now replaced his Canadian ex-cousins with an equally large group, many in Australia. We met up a couple of years ago when he was over in England; even after 30 odd years in Oz his scouse accent was as heavy as they come; he said it returned as soon as he stepped off the plane! Brian |-----Original Message----- |From: eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com |[mailto:eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Audrey O'Keefe |Sent: 17 August 2009 08:39 |To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com |Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Wrong Ancestors | |I agree and very well said - I stopped using GR and deleted my |tree because |of people breaking my copy right - and just forwarding my tree to all |unsundry - I've work for 20 years one slow hard slog putting |every thing |together - I'm very protective of my work. |Audrey O'Keefe |----- Original Message ----- |From: "Karen Sorrell" <sorrellk@hotmail.com> |To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> |Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 2:01 AM |Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Wrong Ancestors | |

I'm in absolute agreement! Jane :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Sorrell" <sorrellk@hotmail.com> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 2:01 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Wrong Ancestors > > Hi Sue, > > I don't actually believe it be carelessness - I have found that it's > frequently just plain laziness. Family history has become such a popular > pursuit and the advent of the internet has led many to believe that if > they just hop online, they'll have their entire family history back to > Adam and Eve in a single afternoon. Of course, Ancestry doesn't help the > situation with its One World Tree feature which tries frantically to > connect your rellies with everyone else's! > > As a professional researcher, I find it offensive when people blithely > help themselves to the work I have spent more than a decade on and then > either refuse to answer my polite enquiries as to just how they think > their often inaccurate information ties in with with mine, or else insist > on a link even when I send them proof that they're barking up the wrong > family tree! At one point I had to get the administrators of GenesReunited > involved to stop the harrassing e-mails I was getting from one particular > indivdual, and all because I asked him for the evidence that my > grandfather's first wife was in actuality his great-grandmothe,r as he > refused to accept my diligent - and throughly sourced - research. > > I have long since stopped updating the trees I have posted on > Rootsweb/Ancestry and GR. I'm accessible by e-mail and if anyone wants to > contact me, I'm always more than happy to help. Everyone should be wary of > possible links found online. Do your own research and find the evidence to > corroborate what you've found. To do anything else is just dishonest. > > Here endeth my rant....;-)) > > Karen in Ontario > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.58/2306 - Release Date: 08/16/09 06:09:00

I agree and very well said - I stopped using GR and deleted my tree because of people breaking my copy right - and just forwarding my tree to all unsundry - I've work for 20 years one slow hard slog putting every thing together - I'm very protective of my work. Audrey O'Keefe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Sorrell" <sorrellk@hotmail.com> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 2:01 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Wrong Ancestors > > Hi Sue, > > I don't actually believe it be carelessness - I have found that it's > frequently just plain laziness. Family history has become such a popular > pursuit and the advent of the internet has led many to believe that if > they just hop online, they'll have their entire family history back to > Adam and Eve in a single afternoon. Of course, Ancestry doesn't help the > situation with its One World Tree feature which tries frantically to > connect your rellies with everyone else's! > > As a professional researcher, I find it offensive when people blithely > help themselves to the work I have spent more than a decade on and then > either refuse to answer my polite enquiries as to just how they think > their often inaccurate information ties in with with mine, or else insist > on a link even when I send them proof that they're barking up the wrong > family tree! At one point I had to get the administrators of GenesReunited > involved to stop the harrassing e-mails I was getting from one particular > indivdual, and all because I asked him for the evidence that my > grandfather's first wife was in actuality his great-grandmothe,r as he > refused to accept my diligent - and throughly sourced - research. > > I have long since stopped updating the trees I have posted on > Rootsweb/Ancestry and GR. I'm accessible by e-mail and if anyone wants to > contact me, I'm always more than happy to help. Everyone should be wary of > possible links found online. Do your own research and find the evidence to > corroborate what you've found. To do anything else is just dishonest. > > Here endeth my rant....;-)) > > Karen in Ontario > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have to take a contrary view here because I don't see this as the huge issue some are making it out to be. With the advent of internet research tools like ancestry.com and genes reunited, you're going to have to expect a democratization of genealogical research. It's no longer confined to the careful researches who tirelessly haunt archives and send off letters, and source every piece of data they find. Now it's open to anyone who can log onto a system and type in some search terms. Whether that disturbs you as a historical researcher or not, that's just the way it is now. The idea behind ancestry.com (which is the online tree I use) is that information is to be shared. I have an extensive tree online that goes far beyond my own direct line. I do NOT consider it my "official" genealogy, but rather a gathering place of sources and data. It is full of errors I'm constantly correcting as I find them. When I am sure of a source or a connection, the information is transferred to the "official" tree on my hard drive. Any proprietary data is there and there only. If I post something to my ancestry tree (be it photos, information, letter snippets etc) it's because I'm happy to put it in the public domain and it's there for the taking (or linking). A quick read of the Terms of Service at Ancestry confirms that this is how the service works. If you post something online, expect it to be linked to or used. If you don't want that to happen, take it offline! The reason so many errors are made with online connections is because ancestry.com (I have no experience with GR so can't speak to that) encourages via their *hints* to connect and link to information in other trees. You can't really blame people, especially those fairly new to genealogical research, for taking these hints. Even I have accepted dubious hints occasionally, because I know that eventually I will do the necessary checking to see if the fit is true. I have got many, many emails from people naming someone from the 5000+ people on my tree, claiming them as an ancestor and asking how I'm related. I don't mind answering when I have the time, but more often than not, it's not someone from my direct line they're inquiring about. This is because I tend to do a lot of lateral adding to my online tree. There are a few reasons for this: 1. I'm interested in the way families in a relatively small geographic area have interwoven themselves throughout history. My online data is almost as much a genealogy of a place, as much as it is of a DNA connection. 2. When I hit a block in my own line and/or can't sleep I often work on my "peripheral" lines. I enjoy the mental puzzle of figuring out a particular line even when they're not directly related to me. I've noticed that this bothers people more than I think it should once I've explained my connection. There's almost a proprietary tinge of "why are MY great grandparents on YOUR ancestry tree?" I guess the rude answer, which I never give except in my own head is "Because I pay for this service and I'll use it as I see fit." I am stealing nothing. I am fixing assumptive errors wherever I find them (and I find them often - it's amazing how many people rely on the drop-down geographic suggestions, so that what should be "Frontenac, Ontario" is often listed as, say, "Frontenac, Minnesota" or "Frontenac, New Guinea". I make the changes I can to my online tree and hope that the more accurate information is propagated outward. I don't worry about individual users' errors - I figure a lot of them don't really care that much if they don't do the research themselves. It's not good research, but it's also none of my business. I have a good idea how accurate my offline tree is. Nothing makes it on there without sources. My online tree though is for my own use and for the use of anyone who comes across it. Whether they take the information within it and use it as a starting point, or take entire lines and copy them to their own tree as gospel truth is entirely up to them. Liana On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Karen Sorrell<sorrellk@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Sue, > > I don't actually believe it be carelessness - I have found that it's frequently just plain laziness. Family history has become such a popular pursuit and the advent of the internet has led many to believe that if they just hop online, they'll have their entire family history back to Adam and Eve in a single afternoon. Of course, Ancestry doesn't help the situation with its One World Tree feature which tries frantically to connect your rellies with everyone else's! > > As a professional researcher, I find it offensive when people blithely help themselves to the work I have spent more than a decade on and then either refuse to answer my polite enquiries as to just how they think their often inaccurate information ties in with with mine, or else insist on a link even when I send them proof that they're barking up the wrong family tree! At one point I had to get the administrators of GenesReunited involved to stop the harrassing e-mails I was getting from one particular indivdual, and all because I asked him for the evidence that my grandfather's first wife was in actuality his great-grandmothe,r as he refused to accept my diligent - and throughly sourced - research. > > I have long since stopped updating the trees I have posted on Rootsweb/Ancestry and GR. I'm accessible by e-mail and if anyone wants to contact me, I'm always more than happy to help. Everyone should be wary of possible links found online. Do your own research and find the evidence to corroborate what you've found. To do anything else is just dishonest. > > Here endeth my rant....;-)) > > Karen in Ontario > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Well SAID Karen!!! Sandra In West midlands.. -----Original Message----- From: eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Karen Sorrell Sent: 17 August 2009 02:01 To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Wrong Ancestors Hi Sue, I don't actually believe it be carelessness - I have found that it's frequently just plain laziness. Family history has become such a popular pursuit and the advent of the internet has led many to believe that if they just hop online, they'll have their entire family history back to Adam and Eve in a single afternoon. Of course, Ancestry doesn't help the situation with its One World Tree feature which tries frantically to connect your rellies with everyone else's! As a professional researcher, I find it offensive when people blithely help themselves to the work I have spent more than a decade on and then either refuse to answer my polite enquiries as to just how they think their often inaccurate information ties in with with mine, or else insist on a link even when I send them proof that they're barking up the wrong family tree! At one point I had to get the administrators of GenesReunited involved to stop the harrassing e-mails I was getting from one particular indivdual, and all because I asked him for the evidence that my grandfather's first wife was in actuality his great-grandmothe,r as he refused to accept my diligent - and throughly sourced - research. I have long since stopped updating the trees I have posted on Rootsweb/Ancestry and GR. I'm accessible by e-mail and if anyone wants to contact me, I'm always more than happy to help. Everyone should be wary of possible links found online. Do your own research and find the evidence to corroborate what you've found. To do anything else is just dishonest. Here endeth my rant....;-)) Karen in Ontario _________________________________________________________________ Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.58/2306 - Release Date: 08/16/09 06:09:00

Hello Sue, I have had the same problem, I may be wrong however, I feel it is Ancestry randomly matching people. I have noticed they have matched my family member names in here in Australia, that are not correct. If I try to contact the owner it is Aussie12345 or Aussie 2250 and so on. Oh and you cannot contact them. They don't seem to be true family trees just Randomly chosen. My grandfather born Coonamable, New South Wales 1896 died 1986 Sydney, New South Wales. I have found my grandfathers birth matched a number of times, with his death recorded as America, sometimes India. I have no idea why they do this. Rhonda Newell. NSW Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Miller" <suemiller48@hotmail.com> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 11:44 PM Subject: [ENG-LIV] Wrong ancestors on tree...why be so careless? Hello Listers While things have been a bit quiet I decided to spend some time on Ancestry.co.uk and see who else was researching my family names and looked at their public trees. I can't believe the number of people who have my grandparents, and some great grandparents who have absolutely nothing to do with them on their tree! I've found 5 in a few days. Why would you put someone in your tree when you don't have some real proof they are your family? It just made me so cross. rant over Sue _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Messenger: Celebrate 10 amazing years with free winks and emoticons. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/

Hi Sue, I don't actually believe it be carelessness - I have found that it's frequently just plain laziness. Family history has become such a popular pursuit and the advent of the internet has led many to believe that if they just hop online, they'll have their entire family history back to Adam and Eve in a single afternoon. Of course, Ancestry doesn't help the situation with its One World Tree feature which tries frantically to connect your rellies with everyone else's! As a professional researcher, I find it offensive when people blithely help themselves to the work I have spent more than a decade on and then either refuse to answer my polite enquiries as to just how they think their often inaccurate information ties in with with mine, or else insist on a link even when I send them proof that they're barking up the wrong family tree! At one point I had to get the administrators of GenesReunited involved to stop the harrassing e-mails I was getting from one particular indivdual, and all because I asked him for the evidence that my grandfather's first wife was in actuality his great-grandmothe,r as he refused to accept my diligent - and throughly sourced - research. I have long since stopped updating the trees I have posted on Rootsweb/Ancestry and GR. I'm accessible by e-mail and if anyone wants to contact me, I'm always more than happy to help. Everyone should be wary of possible links found online. Do your own research and find the evidence to corroborate what you've found. To do anything else is just dishonest. Here endeth my rant....;-)) Karen in Ontario _________________________________________________________________ Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354

Hi Rhonda this is not what is happening with me....I have contacted the 5 tree owners and 3 have got back to me....one just this morning...she is totally convinced her g'grandfather's second marriage was to my great aunt so now has my grandfather and his parents etc on her tree. I have politely told her that she has the wrong Mary Ellen... her great grandfather married in a CofE church in Kirkdale 2 years after my great aunt married in her local RC church of St Mary's in Highfield St in the neighbourhood the family had lived for years and I have certificates galore and have notes from parish registers. I wait to hear her response. this problem is caused by lazy people who just don't understand that lots of people have the same name and similar birth year....you have to know more than that before you know they are connected to you. I've not come across the problem you have with Ancestry....I've only just started entering family names to see who else is researching and was astounded by what I've found so far. regards Sue > From: cne25715@bigpond.net.au > To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 22:22:41 +1000 > Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Wrong ancestors on tree...why be so careless? > > Hello Sue, > > I have had the same problem, I may be wrong however, I feel it is Ancestry > randomly matching people. I have noticed they have matched my family member > names in here in Australia, that are not correct. If I try to contact the > owner it is Aussie12345 or Aussie 2250 and so on. Oh and you cannot contact > them. They don't seem to be true family trees just Randomly chosen. My > grandfather born Coonamable, New South Wales 1896 died 1986 Sydney, New > South Wales. I have found my grandfathers birth matched a number of times, > with his death recorded as America, sometimes India. > > I have no idea why they do this. > > Rhonda Newell. > NSW > Australia. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Miller" <suemiller48@hotmail.com> > To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 11:44 PM > Subject: [ENG-LIV] Wrong ancestors on tree...why be so careless? > > > > Hello Listers > > > > While things have been a bit quiet I decided to spend some time on > Ancestry.co.uk and see who else was researching my family names and looked > at their public trees. > > > > I can't believe the number of people who have my grandparents, and some > great grandparents who have absolutely nothing to do with them on their > tree! I've found 5 in a few days. > > > > Why would you put someone in your tree when you don't have some real proof > they are your family? It just made me so cross. > > > > rant over > > > > Sue > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live Messenger: Celebrate 10 amazing years with free winks and > emoticons. > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/ > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Messenger: Celebrate 10 amazing years with free winks and emoticons. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/

Sue. What you say is very true and it can be very frustrating but lets not discount newbie's or attention to detail. In my case, pre everything electronic, the IG index was my only source and I spent over a year chasing a Rachel Standish, my g grandmother, only to discover it was the wrong Rachel . That was a newbie error. I spent years wondering who John Stones was. Then by revisiting all the info that I had one word, previously overlooked, opened up the flood gates. The word was "Grocer " as shown on Johns wedding cert as the occupation of his father. A long search of Ancestry using William, John and grocer as part of my search unearthed a huge family line from Ulverston. That was a lack of attention to detail type error Needless to say, I have learned from my errors. Dave D. > this problem is caused by lazy people who just don't understand that lots of > people have the same name and similar birth year....you have to know more than > that before you know they are connected to you. I've not come across the > problem you have with Ancestry....I've only just started entering family names > to see who else is researching and was astounded by what I've found so far. > > > > regards > > Sue > > > >