I can receive messages and access my inbox, just can't reply back to anyone, even people I've previously been in contact with. Jane :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "sally roberts" <sallyroberts55@hotmail.com> To: "englanliverpool" <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Wrong Ancestors > > Hmmmm... well, I'm definitely not subscribed, yet I can still receive and > reply to messages sent to me on the site. > > If you log in, can you access your message box? > > Regards, > Sally > > ---------------------------------------- >> From: arcmikmum@talktalk.net >> To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com >> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:22:39 +0100 >> Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Wrong Ancestors >> >> Hi Sally >> >> Mine ran out about a month ago, I can't message anyone back or view the >> trees except my own, I just get taken to the subscription page which is >> wrong. It was through GR I got my big breakthrough on my Johnstons, and >> because of GR I'm in touch with a wonderful couple who are first cousins >> once removed to my Nana. >> >> I'm sure GR would benefit more if you could stay in contact with others >> without paying a subscription. >> >> Jane :o) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "sally roberts" >> To: "englanliverpool" >> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 4:38 PM >> Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Wrong Ancestors >> >> >>> >>> Hi Jane, >>> >>> You should be able to reply to messages, regardless of whether your >>> subscription is current or not. >>> >>> To be fair to GR, I get more genuine relations contacting me via their >>> site than any other service. The links tend to be waaaaaaaaaaay back in >>> the tree so correspondance with each other is sporadic, once the initial >>> set of details are swapped. I have never opened my tree for other >>> people, >>> although I do give an email address where they can write to me if the >>> link >>> appears to be genuine with the information I ask them to supply. >>> >>> My subscription ran out on GR ages ago as I don't find it particularly >>> good value for money, but I "stay" with them because of the messages I >>> do >>> get from people whose tree I appear to share. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Sally >>> ---------------------------------------- >>>> From: arcmikmum@talktalk.net >>>> To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com >>>> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:19:40 +0100 >>>> Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Wrong Ancestors >>>> >>>> To be fair, I can't reply to people on there at the moment because my >>>> subscription has ran out, probably the same for those you've sent a >>>> message >>>> to >>>> >>>> Jane :o) >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "dave" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:07 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Wrong Ancestors >>>> >>>> >>>>>I have, in the past, tried to connect with people that I am certain >>>>>have >>>>>a >>>>> connection to my family line via G/reunited. Many times I have not >>>>> received >>>>> a reply, So I have to ask myself why do these no answering types even >>>>> bother? What is the point. >>>>> Even if a person replied to me saying "sorry not interested" but >>>>> silence >>>>> I >>>>> consider bad manners. >>>>> These are all issues that stem from too much access to too much >>>>> information >>>>> to fast. Its the new reality in the age of cyberspace >>>>> >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Karen, >>>>>> >>>>>> I couldn't agree with you more. I have only put the barest of bare >>>>>> bones >>>>>> of >>>>>> my tree on Genes Reunited, just enough for genuine cousins to >>>>>> recognise >>>>>> the >>>>>> link, for the same reason. >>>>>> >>>>>> I too have found that my ancestors and my husband's have been >>>>>> co-opted >>>>>> into >>>>>> other people's trees despite the fact that there is no connection, >>>>>> and >>>>>> the >>>>>> people concerned do not seem to want to be corrected. I share >>>>>> willingly >>>>>> with genuine cousins, only to find that one or two of them do not >>>>>> give >>>>>> me >>>>>> any recognition for the years of research I have done when they pass >>>>>> it >>>>>> on >>>>>> to even more cousins. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hey ho, at least I know I am going up the right trees and my research >>>>>> should >>>>>> stand the test if my children ever decide to carry it on. >>>>>> >>>>>> Do I recall that some years ago one of these commercial sites claimed >>>>>> that >>>>>> the copyright on trees posted on their site was their property? >>>>>> >>>>>> Lesley >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com >>>>>> [mailto:eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Karen Sorrell >>>>>> Sent: 17 August 2009 02:01 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Sue, >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't actually believe it be carelessness - I have found that it's >>>>>> frequently just plain laziness. Family history has become such a >>>>>> popular >>>>>> pursuit and the advent of the internet has led many to believe that >>>>>> if >>>>>> they >>>>>> just hop online, they'll have their entire family history back to >>>>>> Adam >>>>>> and >>>>>> Eve in a single afternoon. Of course, Ancestry doesn't help the >>>>>> situation >>>>>> with its One World Tree feature which tries frantically to connect >>>>>> your >>>>>> rellies with everyone else's! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >>>>>> >>>>>> Admin Message - List guidelines: >>>>>> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> The list admin can be contacted at >>>>>> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>> without >>>>>> the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >>>>> >>>>> Admin Message - List guidelines: >>>>> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >>>>> >>>>> The list admin can be contacted at >>>>> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>> the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.60/2311 - Release Date: >>>> 08/18/09 >>>> 06:03:00 >>>> >>>> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >>>> >>>> Admin Message - List guidelines: >>>> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >>>> >>>> The list admin can be contacted at >>>> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >>> >>> Admin Message - List guidelines: >>> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >>> >>> The list admin can be contacted at >>> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.60/2311 - Release Date: >> 08/18/09 >> 06:03:00 >> >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> >> Admin Message - List guidelines: >> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >> >> The list admin can be contacted at >> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Hi listers, just resubbed after a period of about 5 years, I am at present using the geneologist which I have found to be fantastic, all the census returns are available as well as the complete BMD lists and much more ,for a set fee (£39.95) for six months you can have as many searches as you like in that 6 months, I have found lots of my family tree within a few hours of using it. Hi again marge danny johnson,Liverpool > ------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Sally Mine ran out about a month ago, I can't message anyone back or view the trees except my own, I just get taken to the subscription page which is wrong. It was through GR I got my big breakthrough on my Johnstons, and because of GR I'm in touch with a wonderful couple who are first cousins once removed to my Nana. I'm sure GR would benefit more if you could stay in contact with others without paying a subscription. Jane :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "sally roberts" <sallyroberts55@hotmail.com> To: "englanliverpool" <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Wrong Ancestors > > Hi Jane, > > You should be able to reply to messages, regardless of whether your > subscription is current or not. > > To be fair to GR, I get more genuine relations contacting me via their > site than any other service. The links tend to be waaaaaaaaaaay back in > the tree so correspondance with each other is sporadic, once the initial > set of details are swapped. I have never opened my tree for other people, > although I do give an email address where they can write to me if the link > appears to be genuine with the information I ask them to supply. > > My subscription ran out on GR ages ago as I don't find it particularly > good value for money, but I "stay" with them because of the messages I do > get from people whose tree I appear to share. > > Regards, > Sally > ---------------------------------------- >> From: arcmikmum@talktalk.net >> To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com >> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:19:40 +0100 >> Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Wrong Ancestors >> >> To be fair, I can't reply to people on there at the moment because my >> subscription has ran out, probably the same for those you've sent a >> message >> to >> >> Jane :o) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "dave" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:07 AM >> Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Wrong Ancestors >> >> >>>I have, in the past, tried to connect with people that I am certain have >>>a >>> connection to my family line via G/reunited. Many times I have not >>> received >>> a reply, So I have to ask myself why do these no answering types even >>> bother? What is the point. >>> Even if a person replied to me saying "sorry not interested" but silence >>> I >>> consider bad manners. >>> These are all issues that stem from too much access to too much >>> information >>> to fast. Its the new reality in the age of cyberspace >>> >>> Dave >>> >>>> Hi Karen, >>>> >>>> I couldn't agree with you more. I have only put the barest of bare >>>> bones >>>> of >>>> my tree on Genes Reunited, just enough for genuine cousins to recognise >>>> the >>>> link, for the same reason. >>>> >>>> I too have found that my ancestors and my husband's have been co-opted >>>> into >>>> other people's trees despite the fact that there is no connection, and >>>> the >>>> people concerned do not seem to want to be corrected. I share willingly >>>> with genuine cousins, only to find that one or two of them do not give >>>> me >>>> any recognition for the years of research I have done when they pass it >>>> on >>>> to even more cousins. >>>> >>>> Hey ho, at least I know I am going up the right trees and my research >>>> should >>>> stand the test if my children ever decide to carry it on. >>>> >>>> Do I recall that some years ago one of these commercial sites claimed >>>> that >>>> the copyright on trees posted on their site was their property? >>>> >>>> Lesley >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com >>>> [mailto:eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Karen Sorrell >>>> Sent: 17 August 2009 02:01 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Sue, >>>> >>>> I don't actually believe it be carelessness - I have found that it's >>>> frequently just plain laziness. Family history has become such a >>>> popular >>>> pursuit and the advent of the internet has led many to believe that if >>>> they >>>> just hop online, they'll have their entire family history back to Adam >>>> and >>>> Eve in a single afternoon. Of course, Ancestry doesn't help the >>>> situation >>>> with its One World Tree feature which tries frantically to connect your >>>> rellies with everyone else's! >>>> >>>> >>>> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >>>> >>>> Admin Message - List guidelines: >>>> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >>>> >>>> The list admin can be contacted at >>>> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >>> >>> Admin Message - List guidelines: >>> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >>> >>> The list admin can be contacted at >>> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.60/2311 - Release Date: >> 08/18/09 >> 06:03:00 >> >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> >> Admin Message - List guidelines: >> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >> >> The list admin can be contacted at >> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Hi Listers, I wouldn't dream of unsubbing from Ancestry (couldn't run my business without it!) but I think the moral here is to just be careful. Take what you find on the patron-submitted trees with a grain of salt and do your own research to back up any legitimate connections you may find. I agree that to be able to contact others by having your tree online is worth the risk that someone may appropriate your research. I have made contact with many, many cousins in far-flung places that wouldn't have been possible without my having my tree online. But I have long since had to accept that not everyone is as passionate as I am about stating my sources and neither is everyone as concerned that they actually have the right leaves on their trees! But then most people are probably not as obsessed about genealogy as I am either......! Karen in Ontario _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive email from all of your webmail accounts. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671356

Hmmmm... well, I'm definitely not subscribed, yet I can still receive and reply to messages sent to me on the site. If you log in, can you access your message box? Regards, Sally ---------------------------------------- > From: arcmikmum@talktalk.net > To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:22:39 +0100 > Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Wrong Ancestors > > Hi Sally > > Mine ran out about a month ago, I can't message anyone back or view the > trees except my own, I just get taken to the subscription page which is > wrong. It was through GR I got my big breakthrough on my Johnstons, and > because of GR I'm in touch with a wonderful couple who are first cousins > once removed to my Nana. > > I'm sure GR would benefit more if you could stay in contact with others > without paying a subscription. > > Jane :o) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sally roberts" > To: "englanliverpool" > Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 4:38 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Wrong Ancestors > > >> >> Hi Jane, >> >> You should be able to reply to messages, regardless of whether your >> subscription is current or not. >> >> To be fair to GR, I get more genuine relations contacting me via their >> site than any other service. The links tend to be waaaaaaaaaaay back in >> the tree so correspondance with each other is sporadic, once the initial >> set of details are swapped. I have never opened my tree for other people, >> although I do give an email address where they can write to me if the link >> appears to be genuine with the information I ask them to supply. >> >> My subscription ran out on GR ages ago as I don't find it particularly >> good value for money, but I "stay" with them because of the messages I do >> get from people whose tree I appear to share. >> >> Regards, >> Sally >> ---------------------------------------- >>> From: arcmikmum@talktalk.net >>> To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:19:40 +0100 >>> Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Wrong Ancestors >>> >>> To be fair, I can't reply to people on there at the moment because my >>> subscription has ran out, probably the same for those you've sent a >>> message >>> to >>> >>> Jane :o) >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "dave" >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:07 AM >>> Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Wrong Ancestors >>> >>> >>>>I have, in the past, tried to connect with people that I am certain have >>>>a >>>> connection to my family line via G/reunited. Many times I have not >>>> received >>>> a reply, So I have to ask myself why do these no answering types even >>>> bother? What is the point. >>>> Even if a person replied to me saying "sorry not interested" but silence >>>> I >>>> consider bad manners. >>>> These are all issues that stem from too much access to too much >>>> information >>>> to fast. Its the new reality in the age of cyberspace >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>>> Hi Karen, >>>>> >>>>> I couldn't agree with you more. I have only put the barest of bare >>>>> bones >>>>> of >>>>> my tree on Genes Reunited, just enough for genuine cousins to recognise >>>>> the >>>>> link, for the same reason. >>>>> >>>>> I too have found that my ancestors and my husband's have been co-opted >>>>> into >>>>> other people's trees despite the fact that there is no connection, and >>>>> the >>>>> people concerned do not seem to want to be corrected. I share willingly >>>>> with genuine cousins, only to find that one or two of them do not give >>>>> me >>>>> any recognition for the years of research I have done when they pass it >>>>> on >>>>> to even more cousins. >>>>> >>>>> Hey ho, at least I know I am going up the right trees and my research >>>>> should >>>>> stand the test if my children ever decide to carry it on. >>>>> >>>>> Do I recall that some years ago one of these commercial sites claimed >>>>> that >>>>> the copyright on trees posted on their site was their property? >>>>> >>>>> Lesley >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com >>>>> [mailto:eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Karen Sorrell >>>>> Sent: 17 August 2009 02:01 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Sue, >>>>> >>>>> I don't actually believe it be carelessness - I have found that it's >>>>> frequently just plain laziness. Family history has become such a >>>>> popular >>>>> pursuit and the advent of the internet has led many to believe that if >>>>> they >>>>> just hop online, they'll have their entire family history back to Adam >>>>> and >>>>> Eve in a single afternoon. Of course, Ancestry doesn't help the >>>>> situation >>>>> with its One World Tree feature which tries frantically to connect your >>>>> rellies with everyone else's! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >>>>> >>>>> Admin Message - List guidelines: >>>>> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >>>>> >>>>> The list admin can be contacted at >>>>> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>> the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >>>> >>>> Admin Message - List guidelines: >>>> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >>>> >>>> The list admin can be contacted at >>>> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.60/2311 - Release Date: >>> 08/18/09 >>> 06:03:00 >>> >>> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >>> >>> Admin Message - List guidelines: >>> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >>> >>> The list admin can be contacted at >>> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> >> Admin Message - List guidelines: >> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >> >> The list admin can be contacted at >> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.60/2311 - Release Date: 08/18/09 > 06:03:00 > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Audrey, Could it be on Croston Street? check out the site below. Boundary Street East Methodist Church (formerly Primitive Methodist, and formerly called Pentecost, Croston Street archive.liverpool.gov.uk/dserve.exe?&...ini Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey O'Keefe" <keefe12@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 14:09 Subject: [ENG-LIV] help please. > Hello > I need help > > I have the marriage lines of my G Grandparents and it states my G > Grandfather was a widow when he married my G G - mother- how can I find > out info on his first wife and if there are any children - I'm lost > > G G parents married in a - 'Primitive Penecost' chapel - west derby - > 1896 - I've searched for info on this church - it was in the Everton > district - no luck - > > John Doyle d.o.b 1863 m Ada Latimer d.o.b. 1867 -- Ada was born in > Sillouth Cumbria - John in Liverpool - > > Also how can I find out when John Doyle died he was alive in the 1911 > census - > > Can anyone help me please > > thank you > Audrey O'Keefe > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

To be fair, I can't reply to people on there at the moment because my subscription has ran out, probably the same for those you've sent a message to Jane :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave" <davey.gravey@sympatico.ca> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:07 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Wrong Ancestors >I have, in the past, tried to connect with people that I am certain have a > connection to my family line via G/reunited. Many times I have not > received > a reply, So I have to ask myself why do these no answering types even > bother? What is the point. > Even if a person replied to me saying "sorry not interested" but silence I > consider bad manners. > These are all issues that stem from too much access to too much > information > to fast. Its the new reality in the age of cyberspace > > Dave > >> Hi Karen, >> >> I couldn't agree with you more. I have only put the barest of bare bones >> of >> my tree on Genes Reunited, just enough for genuine cousins to recognise >> the >> link, for the same reason. >> >> I too have found that my ancestors and my husband's have been co-opted >> into >> other people's trees despite the fact that there is no connection, and >> the >> people concerned do not seem to want to be corrected. I share willingly >> with genuine cousins, only to find that one or two of them do not give me >> any recognition for the years of research I have done when they pass it >> on >> to even more cousins. >> >> Hey ho, at least I know I am going up the right trees and my research >> should >> stand the test if my children ever decide to carry it on. >> >> Do I recall that some years ago one of these commercial sites claimed >> that >> the copyright on trees posted on their site was their property? >> >> Lesley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Karen Sorrell >> Sent: 17 August 2009 02:01 >> >> >> >> Hi Sue, >> >> I don't actually believe it be carelessness - I have found that it's >> frequently just plain laziness. Family history has become such a popular >> pursuit and the advent of the internet has led many to believe that if >> they >> just hop online, they'll have their entire family history back to Adam >> and >> Eve in a single afternoon. Of course, Ancestry doesn't help the situation >> with its One World Tree feature which tries frantically to connect your >> rellies with everyone else's! >> >> >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> >> Admin Message - List guidelines: >> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >> >> The list admin can be contacted at >> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.60/2311 - Release Date: 08/18/09 06:03:00

Talk about bad writing in census forms! There could be a whole lot of dubious, ay, incorrect info floating around out there based on what Lorraine writes. Incidentally, are you related to Trevor Furlong, one time CEO of the Mersey Docks and Harbour Board - last time I saw him was about 20 years ago when he was visiting Montréal where I was then working. Bill in Nanaimo ----- Original Message ----- From: <LorraineFurlong@aol.com> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Wrong Ancestors > Hi folks > > I too have had the same happen to me as to Dave. I have a tree on the > Genes site, and because it is there for anyone who may be interested I am > more > than happy to share any information, and lots of people have also shared > their trees with me and I have met up with long lost cousins etc., what > would > otherwise be the point of having a tree for all to see. A couple of years > back I emailed somebody who's tree had many of my close ancestors on it, > after about an hour or so he removed access to it and sent me a further > email saying "we have no connection". I presume he forgot to remove the > tick > box to view, realised his mistake and removed access to it, although he > was > happy enough to view mine. Some months later I contacted him again and > got the same curt reply. I can only presume he had taken a look at my > tree, > added whatever he wanted to his own, but was unwilling to share the same > with me. > > On another note, I have sometimes needed to correct other people's trees, > for instance it was always believed that my ggrandfather was born in > Ireland. I have proof that he was in fact born in France, and I pointed > this out > to two of my contacts quite a while ago. I notice that neither have > amended their own tree to reflect this, so if somebody else copies it > they will > have the wrong information and it will get passed on and on. > > On the whole though, I find most people are very polite and courteous. > > Kind regards > Lorraine > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I always do reply (when Hugheses and Joneses contact me) - I give permission for them to view my tree, but when I look at their trees, I simply do not understand how they made any connection with me at all! Marged I have, in the past, tried to connect with people that I am certain have a connection to my family line via G/reunited. Many times I have not received a reply, So I have to ask myself why do these no answering types even bother? What is the point. Even if a person replied to me saying "sorry not interested" but silence I consider bad manners. These are all issues that stem from too much access to too much information to fast. Its the new reality in the age of cyberspace Dave

Hi Jane, You should be able to reply to messages, regardless of whether your subscription is current or not. To be fair to GR, I get more genuine relations contacting me via their site than any other service. The links tend to be waaaaaaaaaaay back in the tree so correspondance with each other is sporadic, once the initial set of details are swapped. I have never opened my tree for other people, although I do give an email address where they can write to me if the link appears to be genuine with the information I ask them to supply. My subscription ran out on GR ages ago as I don't find it particularly good value for money, but I "stay" with them because of the messages I do get from people whose tree I appear to share. Regards, Sally ---------------------------------------- > From: arcmikmum@talktalk.net > To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:19:40 +0100 > Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Wrong Ancestors > > To be fair, I can't reply to people on there at the moment because my > subscription has ran out, probably the same for those you've sent a message > to > > Jane :o) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "dave" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:07 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Wrong Ancestors > > >>I have, in the past, tried to connect with people that I am certain have a >> connection to my family line via G/reunited. Many times I have not >> received >> a reply, So I have to ask myself why do these no answering types even >> bother? What is the point. >> Even if a person replied to me saying "sorry not interested" but silence I >> consider bad manners. >> These are all issues that stem from too much access to too much >> information >> to fast. Its the new reality in the age of cyberspace >> >> Dave >> >>> Hi Karen, >>> >>> I couldn't agree with you more. I have only put the barest of bare bones >>> of >>> my tree on Genes Reunited, just enough for genuine cousins to recognise >>> the >>> link, for the same reason. >>> >>> I too have found that my ancestors and my husband's have been co-opted >>> into >>> other people's trees despite the fact that there is no connection, and >>> the >>> people concerned do not seem to want to be corrected. I share willingly >>> with genuine cousins, only to find that one or two of them do not give me >>> any recognition for the years of research I have done when they pass it >>> on >>> to even more cousins. >>> >>> Hey ho, at least I know I am going up the right trees and my research >>> should >>> stand the test if my children ever decide to carry it on. >>> >>> Do I recall that some years ago one of these commercial sites claimed >>> that >>> the copyright on trees posted on their site was their property? >>> >>> Lesley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Karen Sorrell >>> Sent: 17 August 2009 02:01 >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Sue, >>> >>> I don't actually believe it be carelessness - I have found that it's >>> frequently just plain laziness. Family history has become such a popular >>> pursuit and the advent of the internet has led many to believe that if >>> they >>> just hop online, they'll have their entire family history back to Adam >>> and >>> Eve in a single afternoon. Of course, Ancestry doesn't help the situation >>> with its One World Tree feature which tries frantically to connect your >>> rellies with everyone else's! >>> >>> >>> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >>> >>> Admin Message - List guidelines: >>> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >>> >>> The list admin can be contacted at >>> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> >> Admin Message - List guidelines: >> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >> >> The list admin can be contacted at >> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.60/2311 - Release Date: 08/18/09 > 06:03:00 > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've got my tree written down in a notebook. I've tried various people with the same surname as myself in the hope of getting further little branches, nay even twigs would be nice! but ours is a very tight lipped family! Oh well, Bill in Nanaimo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Griffiths" <mail@briangriffiths.co.uk> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 2:12 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Wrong Ancestors >I think you have hit the nail on the head there - if you don't want to >share > your work with all and sundry then just don't use the online trees! Keep > your tree on your own computer. > > I have taken a somewhat opposing stance with my work - online trees are > for > sharing. So many people have helped me and contributed over the years that > I > am happy effectively to put my tree in the public domain, so it is on > Rootsweb, Ancestry and GR. (naturally I always, I hope, get the necessary > prior permissions to incorporate others' work, and I find most are happy > to > agree) > > Back to Liverpool - one of my worst experiences was having to tell a newly > found (via GR) 3rd cousin in Oz that he had the wrong person as his > grandfather. His grandmother was my grandfather's cousin so it was not of > great importance to me, but he had built up a large network of living > cousins in Canada. It was only when another contact via Ancestry pointed > out > the error that I realized the truth, which was even more bizarre, becaue > his > real grandfather turned out to be a nephew of my grandfather's first > wife!. > Before I broke the news I dug back into his real grandfather's ancestry; > he > was undersatnably a bit upset initially, but some of the details I had > found > triggered childhood memories which matched my newly found information. He > has now replaced his Canadian ex-cousins with an equally large group, many > in Australia. > > We met up a couple of years ago when he was over in England; even after 30 > odd years in Oz his scouse accent was as heavy as they come; he said it > returned as soon as he stepped off the plane! > Brian > > |-----Original Message----- > |From: eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com > |[mailto:eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Audrey O'Keefe > |Sent: 17 August 2009 08:39 > |To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com > |Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Wrong Ancestors > | > |I agree and very well said - I stopped using GR and deleted my > |tree because > |of people breaking my copy right - and just forwarding my tree to all > |unsundry - I've work for 20 years one slow hard slog putting > |every thing > |together - I'm very protective of my work. > |Audrey O'Keefe > |----- Original Message ----- > |From: "Karen Sorrell" <sorrellk@hotmail.com> > |To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> > |Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 2:01 AM > |Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Wrong Ancestors > | > | > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, that is great! Sandra -----Original Message----- From: eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Andy Candlish Sent: 18 August 2009 02:48 To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Register office.... Hi Sandra The link below shows that Toxteth Park registers are now at the Liverpool Register Office http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/toxteth%20park.html The link below shows that the West Derby registers are divided between three Register Offices, Liverpool, Sefton South & Knowsley but the majority would probably be at Liverpool. http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/west%20derby.html Below are details re the Liverpool Register Office. Some of the Liverpool Registers have been indexed on the LancashireBMD website and have their Liverpool Register Office reference numbers. http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/ According to the Liverpool Register Office website (link below) its taking 6 to 8 weeks to process Family History applications, it might be worth contacting them to see if this is still the case http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/Leisure_and_culture/Local_history_and_heritage/F amily_history/index.asp The Register Office, The Cotton Exchange, Old Hall Street, Liverpool, L3 9UF. Tel: 0151 233 3004. Fax: 0151 233 4944. E-mail: registrar@liverpool.gov.uk Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "sandra whitmore" <sandrawhitmore@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 11:02 PM Subject: [ENG-LIV] Register office.... > Hi Lister`s, > > I need to send for some copies of certificates but, not online! Could some > kind soul, tell me the address for Toteth Register office and also, The > west > derby one please?.. > > I would be most grateful.. > > Thank you in advance, > > Sandra. > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.60/2311 - Release Date: 08/18/09 06:03:00

Hello Listers a cousin has received an 1893 marriage certificate ...the marriage took place in Victoria Hall Catholic Church and we have never heard of it. The family lived in Bevington Street and Bond St and all other events took place in Our Lady of Reconciliation. many thanks Sue _________________________________________________________________ Upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 Optimised for MSN. http://extras.uk.msn.com/internet-explorer-8/?ocid=T010MSN07A0716U

Hi Sandra The link below shows that Toxteth Park registers are now at the Liverpool Register Office http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/toxteth%20park.html The link below shows that the West Derby registers are divided between three Register Offices, Liverpool, Sefton South & Knowsley but the majority would probably be at Liverpool. http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/west%20derby.html Below are details re the Liverpool Register Office. Some of the Liverpool Registers have been indexed on the LancashireBMD website and have their Liverpool Register Office reference numbers. http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/ According to the Liverpool Register Office website (link below) its taking 6 to 8 weeks to process Family History applications, it might be worth contacting them to see if this is still the case http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/Leisure_and_culture/Local_history_and_heritage/Family_history/index.asp The Register Office, The Cotton Exchange, Old Hall Street, Liverpool, L3 9UF. Tel: 0151 233 3004. Fax: 0151 233 4944. E-mail: registrar@liverpool.gov.uk Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "sandra whitmore" <sandrawhitmore@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 11:02 PM Subject: [ENG-LIV] Register office.... > Hi Lister`s, > > I need to send for some copies of certificates but, not online! Could some > kind soul, tell me the address for Toteth Register office and also, The > west > derby one please?.. > > I would be most grateful.. > > Thank you in advance, > > Sandra. > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Carolyn, Yes, it should be temporary. Apparently the new server has caused no end of problems - I came back from holiday to an email inbox full of lots of concerned list posts and no access to the site itself!! Everything else works ok. Regards, Sally > Hi List, I've just returned to the list after a few months hiatus and > find that I cannot use the Lanc OPR "search" function now. Can > someone tell me why this is? is it temporary? i have found it > especially useful for marriage witnesses. Thanks, Carolyn

Hi folks I too have had the same happen to me as to Dave. I have a tree on the Genes site, and because it is there for anyone who may be interested I am more than happy to share any information, and lots of people have also shared their trees with me and I have met up with long lost cousins etc., what would otherwise be the point of having a tree for all to see. A couple of years back I emailed somebody who's tree had many of my close ancestors on it, after about an hour or so he removed access to it and sent me a further email saying "we have no connection". I presume he forgot to remove the tick box to view, realised his mistake and removed access to it, although he was happy enough to view mine. Some months later I contacted him again and got the same curt reply. I can only presume he had taken a look at my tree, added whatever he wanted to his own, but was unwilling to share the same with me. On another note, I have sometimes needed to correct other people's trees, for instance it was always believed that my ggrandfather was born in Ireland. I have proof that he was in fact born in France, and I pointed this out to two of my contacts quite a while ago. I notice that neither have amended their own tree to reflect this, so if somebody else copies it they will have the wrong information and it will get passed on and on. On the whole though, I find most people are very polite and courteous. Kind regards Lorraine

Good Morning I was a bit dismayed to read this thread. I have been researching ie "proper research" :-)) for 15 years now and have subscribed to Ancestry for 5 or so. Ancestry has its failings but I consider it by far to be the best tool available online. In my view GR is a disaster with its "hot matches" concept but I wouldn't dream of berating anybody who uses it - just not for me. Liana put it so succinctly I've snipped some of her posting but agree with it all. "When I hit a block in my own line and/or can't sleep I often work on my "peripheral" lines. I enjoy the mental puzzle of figuring out a particular line even when they're not directly related to me. I find it fascinating to trace connections but only add them to my tree if I am satisfied in my own mind that details such addresses, occupations, family members are consistent from census to census and can be verified by "secondary" sources, such as the IGI ( oh, and NOT patron submissions by the way). I have never, ever incorporated other people's trees into my own just because Ancestry tells me there are hints that match. I've noticed that this bothers people more than I think it should once I've explained my connection. There's almost a proprietary tinge of "why are MY great grandparents on YOUR ancestry tree?" I guess the rude answer, which I never give except in my own head is "Because I pay for this service and I'll use it as I see fit." My own tree is public and anything I post on there, photos, documentation etc, is available for others to use if they're of relevance - or just interesting! If this is unacceptable to people then I suppose the simple solutions are to make your tree private, unsubscribe to Ancestry or shun the Internet. Shame really. Bob

Hi List, I've just returned to the list after a few months hiatus and find that I cannot use the Lanc OPR "search" function now. Can someone tell me why this is? is it temporary? i have found it especially useful for marriage witnesses. Thanks, Carolyn

Hi All, An interesting discussion. I too have reservations about the on line trees. I have the basic membership to genes reunited but my on line tree is a small little shrub compared to what others have. I have listed my direct lines with just year for date, not siblings & all other branches of my research that I have on my computer database. It does mean I am not often contacted by others but I do my own searches & if I find a match I am able to send off an email to the person with that name listed. If I do forget to untick that darn little box that invites them to see my tree without even bothering to contact me it is not too much of a loss. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind sharing BUT I will share what connects with them only. Why should they want what is not connected to them anyway. I am happy to share but not to just give. On line trees do not encourage sharing, they encourage people to take without taking the time to establish a correspondence & mutual sharing of knowledge, proof of research, sharing of the source of information, exchange of family stories & all that I think genealogy is all about. If they are just name gatherers & don't want to waste their time sharing information that is fine with me because I am not interested in how many names they may have on their tree without documentation even if it impressively does go back to Adam. With the hundreds of thousands of names some of these people have listed they could not possibly have lived long enough to have verified all this data. When contacted many know absolutely nothing about the person whose name they have listed. I have also had a few successful contacts I may not have otherwise made. I think a lot of the people are new to research & they haven't quite got it yet. They will gather all these names as they trawl the net & most likely will lose interest & move on to something else having "done" their tree. Unfortunately doing it this way they probably never will "get it". I really don't know what the answer is to the problems being caused by these groups encouraging people to do their trees on line. It is a shame that it is making many of us less willing to share. All of us long time researchers have had some bad experiences, I had to ask one person take down the names of living relatives of mine that she had added to the rootsweb world connect site. I am glad I was the one to stumble across the names rather than an uncle or cousin. She did take them down, it wasn't that she meant to do it but just added information I had given her some years before to her tree & then later decided to upload "her" data. Just as the IGI became tainted when patrons submissions were added to the genuine records of church baptism & marriage so is a lot of other data that we have shared with others in good faith. It is frustrating to see wrong information out there but as long as we know our own data is well researched & verified we are just going to have to shrug it off. There is a good & bad side to everything. There is a wealth of new information at our fingertips today on the internet that took many hours of hard work to find a few years ago but I am also noticing that many free sites to indexes compiled by volunteers are disappearing while the data is becoming available on the big pay to use sites. These companies who are busy harvesting data to present on their pay sites are also the same ones encouraging people to upload their trees. Sharon

Sandra Genuki has list of Register offices and their addresses http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/RegOffice/ David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: sandra whitmore To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 9:02 PM Subject: [ENG-LIV] Register office.... Hi Lister`s, I need to send for some copies of certificates but, not online! Could some kind soul, tell me the address for Toteth Register office and also, The west derby one please?.. Thank you in advance, Sandra.