Thank you TERRY. I WILL INDEED LOOK THEM UP ON THE 1911 CENUS, AFTER THIS MAIL! IT IS MUCH APPRECIATED! SANDRA... -----Original Message----- From: eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Terry Heath Sent: 21 August 2009 01:13 To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] re; HARRIET FROST..... Sandra According to Gore's 1911 Liverpool directory, there is only one William James YOUNG in the area at that time and he was a mariner, living at 39 Barclay Street, South Liverpool [from Mill St to Cleopas St] Look them up in the 1911 Census. Terry Heath Cheltenham UK ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.63/2317 - Release Date: 08/21/09 06:04:00

Hello Gillian my mothers brother who lived in Scotland Road - St Anthony's Parish went through the catholic reformatory system - he was aged 12/13, he was sent to the St Aidens Reformatory School Widnes- this replaced the Clarence Catholic Reformatory Ship which was moored in the Mersey --- I have the letters he wrote to his mother - absolutely heart rendering - he was sent to whiston work house from St. Aidens - 1917 to die of TB - he was buried in a paupers grave at ford cemetery. I have photo's the the inside of St Aidens - one word bleak. the children were segregated by religion - do you know your GG mothers religion. Audrey O'Keefe ----- Original Message ----- From: <GILLIAN52@aol.com> To: <Lancsgen-L-request@rootsweb.co>; <ENG-LIVERPOOL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 8:39 PM Subject: [ENG-LIV] REFORM SCHOOL >I would like to know if possible where my great grandmother would have > been sent. She was 13 years old and convicted of Larceny and her sentence > was > 14 days in prison and 5 years in a reform school. She lived in Liverpool > and it was the year 1865. I've tried googling reform schools in Liverpool > but > all it seems to come up with is for boys her name was Martha Breckell, > would appreciate any advice. > > Regards Gill > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Christine on a similar query I have a Mary Susan Cunningham who appears in the 1911 census as in HM Prison, Walton on the Hill, Liverpool. She was 39, married for 19 years and family folklore has it that this might have been for knocking a policeman's helmet off! The family were in Townsend Street at the time. Can you advise or tell me where I should look to find out exactly why she was there? Many thanks Dave Carr On 21 Aug 2009, at 18:45, yorkshire.123 wrote: GILLIAN52@aol.com wrote snip<Martha Breckell, Hi Gill I have found an article in which she is mentioned will send off list to you Christine LVERPOOL POLICE COURT Liverpool Mercury Saturday, March 4, 1865;

GILLIAN52@aol.com wrote snip<Martha Breckell, Hi Gill I have found an article in which she is mentioned will send off list to you Christine LVERPOOL POLICE COURT Liverpool Mercury Saturday, March 4, 1865;

This site is going to be a great source and I am hoping to do some transcribing. I must say I found quite a few errors ....Freebmd is free and transcribed by volunteers and I have been using it since it started for myself and others without any errors. One example, a cousin purchased the full details of a marriage that took place in St Brigid's in 1893 and the full details said 1873 at All Souls. I have contacted the administrator and hope they look at their data again. Sue Surrey _________________________________________________________________ Upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 Optimised for MSN. http://extras.uk.msn.com/internet-explorer-8/?ocid=T010MSN07A0716U

At 12:55 PM 8/21/2009, you wrote: >"One example, a cousin purchased the full details of a marriage that >took place in St Brigid's in 1893 and the full details said 1873 at >All Souls." >How can one purchase the full details? Thanks, Carolyn >

Thank you - always great to have a new sitre to research! Carolyn At 06:07 PM 8/19/2009, you wrote: >Try this..........my brick wall tumbled in my 1st search! >http://www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co.uk/index.htm > >Anne > > >--- On Wed, 19/8/09, Carolyn Parker <ca.parker@comcast.net> wrote: > > >From: Carolyn Parker <ca.parker@comcast.net> >Subject: [ENG-LIV] brick wall - Help! >To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com >Date: Wednesday, 19 August, 2009, 7:46 PM > > >Hi List, thanks to this list I have made great progress in my >research but now I am stuck and ask for your suggestions: My ancestor >and his wife, John and Mary IVETER are listed on the 1841 census but >I have been unable to find a marriage record for them. or birth >records. From a 1841 birth record of one of their children I was >able to ascertain that her maiden name was YEARDSLEY. From the 1841 >census I learned that they were both born in Liverpool. What >resources exist to help me dig deeper? Thanks for your help, Carolyn >in Boston, MA > > > > >~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > >Admin Message - List guidelines: >http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > >The list admin can be contacted at >Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > >Admin Message - List guidelines: >http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > >The list admin can be contacted at >Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sandra According to Gore's 1911 Liverpool directory, there is only one William James YOUNG in the area at that time and he was a mariner, living at 39 Barclay Street, South Liverpool [from Mill St to Cleopas St] Look them up in the 1911 Census. Terry Heath Cheltenham UK

Hi Joan, Many thanks for your kind help, it is very much appreciated! I cannot wait to see who her parents were?..We were told, she may have been from German origin?.. something to do with her mother coming from the GUELPH Family from Canada, and Queen Victoria was linked to that family also! I am doing this for a friend.... thanks again Joan, Sandra... sutton Coldfield, west midlands.. -----Original Message----- From: eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joan Rooney Sent: 20 August 2009 20:49 To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] re; HARRIET FROST.....1902 Hi, Here it is from the Lancashire BMD. You can send away using the reference number to get the parents. Theer is also a probable birth and ref. no. Marriages In 1902 FROST Harriet YOUNG William J Kirkdale, St. Mary Liverpool 2013WD/23/20 Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1882 SurnameForename(s)Sub-DistrictRegisters AtMother's Maiden NameReference FROSTHarrietToxteth ParkLiverpool TP/256/98 Joan Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "sandra whitmore" <sandrawhitmore@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 14:09 Subject: [ENG-LIV] re; HARRIET FROST..... > Dear Lister`s, > > I am really Stuck against a HUGE brick wall....I am looking for a Harriet > Frost, born 1882 in Liverpool, Lancashire... Harriet was in a Industrial > School in 1891 in Liverpool, with two possible Sister`s, Mary and > Lillian... > I was told that when HARRIET left the School, she was a cook in DEAL in > KENT!!! However, that would have been between end of 1891 and she was > married to William Joseph Young in Liverpool, in either 1901 or 1902?..... > > > > They had children, who were, William Andrew, Ellen Patricia, Robert > Nisbet, > Frederick, Elizabeth, and Joyce, all had the surname of, YOUNG..... They > all lived in Liverpool... > > > > We have no idea where Harriet lived before being in the, Industrial school > in Liverpool and when she married in 1901/2..... we also have no idea at > this present time, who her parents were and where they lived! I have sent > for her birth Certificate, but we have a postal strike at the moment... > Harriet died in 1947/8 after her Husband had also died, due to a car crash > they were involved in, in 1947..Her Husband, William Joseph Young, died > after the accident happened! > > > > If anyone would be willing to help us find HARRIET FROST, married name, > YOUNG, we would be extremely grateful! > > > > In anticipation, Sandra.. west midlands.. > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.62/2315 - Release Date: 08/20/09 06:05:00

Hi Kathy, MANY THANKS FOR YOUR KIND HELP, IT IS MUCH APPRECIATED! I HAVE SENT FOR THE MARRIAGE AND BIRTH PLUS DEATH CERTIFICATES.... THAT WAS TWO WEEKS AGO! You have been very kind, thank you... sandra -----Original Message----- From: eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of kathy binns Sent: 20 August 2009 20:28 To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] re; HARRIET FROST..... HI Sandra, not sure what you want apart from your postal deliveries back to normal! I would have ordered her marriage cert before her birth cert just to make sure you are on the right line. >From the LancsBMD website. http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/cgi/marrind.cgi?county=lancashire A search shows she married in 1902 at St Mary, Kirkdale, Liverpool >From FreeBMD website http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl Marriages Jun 1902 Frost Harriet W. Derby 8b 672 Young William Joseph W. Derby 8b 672 Her marriage cert would give you the name and occupation of her father and also William's father's details. Witness names can also prove to be useful. I recommend the GRO online ordering service for the speediest response. http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ regards Kathy Wirral -------------------------------------------------- From: "sandra whitmore" <sandrawhitmore@blueyonder.co.uk> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 7:09 PM To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Subject: [ENG-LIV] re; HARRIET FROST..... > Dear Lister`s, > > I am really Stuck against a HUGE brick wall....I am looking for a Harriet > Frost, born 1882 in Liverpool, Lancashire... Harriet was in a Industrial > School in 1891 in Liverpool, with two possible Sister`s, Mary and > Lillian... > I was told that when HARRIET left the School, she was a cook in DEAL in > KENT!!! However, that would have been between end of 1891 and she was > married to William Joseph Young in Liverpool, in either 1901 or 1902?..... > > > > They had children, who were, William Andrew, Ellen Patricia, Robert > Nisbet, > Frederick, Elizabeth, and Joyce, all had the surname of, YOUNG..... They > all lived in Liverpool... > > > > We have no idea where Harriet lived before being in the, Industrial school > in Liverpool and when she married in 1901/2..... we also have no idea at > this present time, who her parents were and where they lived! I have sent > for her birth Certificate, but we have a postal strike at the moment... > Harriet died in 1947/8 after her Husband had also died, due to a car crash > they were involved in, in 1947..Her Husband, William Joseph Young, died > after the accident happened! > > > > If anyone would be willing to help us find HARRIET FROST, married name, > YOUNG, we would be extremely grateful! > > > > In anticipation, Sandra.. west midlands.. > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.62/2315 - Release Date: 08/20/09 06:05:00

Hi Christine, Thank you so much for replying to my mail! I knew she was married around 1900..... I will certainly send for her marriage certificate tomorrow! I really do appreciate your kind help...Harriet`s Grandson knows nothing about her past at all, which I find very strange, being as they were so close! Many thanks Christine.. Sandra.... -----Original Message----- From: eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris Cunningham Sent: 20 August 2009 20:36 To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] re; HARRIET FROST..... Hi Sandra Harriet married William in the June 1/4 of 1902 in the West Derby registration district . Ref = 8b 672 Now you have those details you can send for a marriage certificate which will give you her address at marriage. Found on Freebmd.org.uk Hope this helps a little Christine Peterborough UK -----Original Message----- From: eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sandra whitmore Sent: 20 August 2009 19:09 To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LIV] re; HARRIET FROST..... Dear Lister`s, I am really Stuck against a HUGE brick wall....I am looking for a Harriet Frost, born 1882 in Liverpool, Lancashire... Harriet was in a Industrial School in 1891 in Liverpool, with two possible Sister`s, Mary and Lillian... I was told that when HARRIET left the School, she was a cook in DEAL in KENT!!! However, that would have been between end of 1891 and she was married to William Joseph Young in Liverpool, in either 1901 or 1902?..... They had children, who were, William Andrew, Ellen Patricia, Robert Nisbet, Frederick, Elizabeth, and Joyce, all had the surname of, YOUNG..... They all lived in Liverpool... We have no idea where Harriet lived before being in the, Industrial school in Liverpool and when she married in 1901/2..... we also have no idea at this present time, who her parents were and where they lived! I have sent for her birth Certificate, but we have a postal strike at the moment... Harriet died in 1947/8 after her Husband had also died, due to a car crash they were involved in, in 1947..Her Husband, William Joseph Young, died after the accident happened! If anyone would be willing to help us find HARRIET FROST, married name, YOUNG, we would be extremely grateful! In anticipation, Sandra.. west midlands.. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.62/2315 - Release Date: 08/20/09 06:05:00

Hi Sandra Harriet married William in the June 1/4 of 1902 in the West Derby registration district . Ref = 8b 672 Now you have those details you can send for a marriage certificate which will give you her address at marriage. Found on Freebmd.org.uk Hope this helps a little Christine Peterborough UK -----Original Message----- From: eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sandra whitmore Sent: 20 August 2009 19:09 To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LIV] re; HARRIET FROST..... Dear Lister`s, I am really Stuck against a HUGE brick wall....I am looking for a Harriet Frost, born 1882 in Liverpool, Lancashire... Harriet was in a Industrial School in 1891 in Liverpool, with two possible Sister`s, Mary and Lillian... I was told that when HARRIET left the School, she was a cook in DEAL in KENT!!! However, that would have been between end of 1891 and she was married to William Joseph Young in Liverpool, in either 1901 or 1902?..... They had children, who were, William Andrew, Ellen Patricia, Robert Nisbet, Frederick, Elizabeth, and Joyce, all had the surname of, YOUNG..... They all lived in Liverpool... We have no idea where Harriet lived before being in the, Industrial school in Liverpool and when she married in 1901/2..... we also have no idea at this present time, who her parents were and where they lived! I have sent for her birth Certificate, but we have a postal strike at the moment... Harriet died in 1947/8 after her Husband had also died, due to a car crash they were involved in, in 1947..Her Husband, William Joseph Young, died after the accident happened! If anyone would be willing to help us find HARRIET FROST, married name, YOUNG, we would be extremely grateful! In anticipation, Sandra.. west midlands.. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HI Sandra, not sure what you want apart from your postal deliveries back to normal! I would have ordered her marriage cert before her birth cert just to make sure you are on the right line. >From the LancsBMD website. http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/cgi/marrind.cgi?county=lancashire A search shows she married in 1902 at St Mary, Kirkdale, Liverpool >From FreeBMD website http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl Marriages Jun 1902 Frost Harriet W. Derby 8b 672 Young William Joseph W. Derby 8b 672 Her marriage cert would give you the name and occupation of her father and also William's father's details. Witness names can also prove to be useful. I recommend the GRO online ordering service for the speediest response. http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ regards Kathy Wirral -------------------------------------------------- From: "sandra whitmore" <sandrawhitmore@blueyonder.co.uk> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 7:09 PM To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Subject: [ENG-LIV] re; HARRIET FROST..... > Dear Lister`s, > > I am really Stuck against a HUGE brick wall....I am looking for a Harriet > Frost, born 1882 in Liverpool, Lancashire... Harriet was in a Industrial > School in 1891 in Liverpool, with two possible Sister`s, Mary and > Lillian... > I was told that when HARRIET left the School, she was a cook in DEAL in > KENT!!! However, that would have been between end of 1891 and she was > married to William Joseph Young in Liverpool, in either 1901 or 1902?..... > > > > They had children, who were, William Andrew, Ellen Patricia, Robert > Nisbet, > Frederick, Elizabeth, and Joyce, all had the surname of, YOUNG..... They > all lived in Liverpool... > > > > We have no idea where Harriet lived before being in the, Industrial school > in Liverpool and when she married in 1901/2..... we also have no idea at > this present time, who her parents were and where they lived! I have sent > for her birth Certificate, but we have a postal strike at the moment... > Harriet died in 1947/8 after her Husband had also died, due to a car crash > they were involved in, in 1947..Her Husband, William Joseph Young, died > after the accident happened! > > > > If anyone would be willing to help us find HARRIET FROST, married name, > YOUNG, we would be extremely grateful! > > > > In anticipation, Sandra.. west midlands.. > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Lister`s, I am really Stuck against a HUGE brick wall....I am looking for a Harriet Frost, born 1882 in Liverpool, Lancashire... Harriet was in a Industrial School in 1891 in Liverpool, with two possible Sister`s, Mary and Lillian... I was told that when HARRIET left the School, she was a cook in DEAL in KENT!!! However, that would have been between end of 1891 and she was married to William Joseph Young in Liverpool, in either 1901 or 1902?..... They had children, who were, William Andrew, Ellen Patricia, Robert Nisbet, Frederick, Elizabeth, and Joyce, all had the surname of, YOUNG..... They all lived in Liverpool... We have no idea where Harriet lived before being in the, Industrial school in Liverpool and when she married in 1901/2..... we also have no idea at this present time, who her parents were and where they lived! I have sent for her birth Certificate, but we have a postal strike at the moment... Harriet died in 1947/8 after her Husband had also died, due to a car crash they were involved in, in 1947..Her Husband, William Joseph Young, died after the accident happened! If anyone would be willing to help us find HARRIET FROST, married name, YOUNG, we would be extremely grateful! In anticipation, Sandra.. west midlands..

Sandra, There is also this marriage. ============= IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 WILLIAM FROST Spouse: MARY WRIGHT Marriage: 30 SEP 1867 Saint Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. Batch No.: M005995 1866 - 1869 0093855 ============= ____________________________________________________________ Click now for great quotes on affordable mortgage insurance policies! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYST7drclQPmhOA5h97FqBBzY4LZf9A1rY18qdnp8LTdolaYWbiIpS/

Hi Betty Thanks for responding - I don't think there is a connection, but it's nice to see the name. It is very common (I was born Lewis), but surprisingly much easier to trace than John's wife Annie Boyce! I found John's father was James, a Wood-carver at the time of his son's marriage. My g.g. father was Thomas Boyce, married Jane Preston. Thomas was a 'Barge Waterman' and I suspect almost illiterate! If I do come across anything likely I'll keep you posted. Marion, East Sussex, UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty" <bbffrrpp@comcast.net> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] John Lewis - Liverpool Suicide 1932? > Hi Marion, > > I must have missed your original message about a John LEWIS who was born > in > 1875. If I had seen it, I would have responded. Or, perhaps I did, > and > I have forgotten. > > My gr-gr-grandfather was a John LEWIS, but born in the 1830's in > Liverpool. > In the 1850's he married Isabella BURROWS in Liverpool. As far as I > know, > they only had one child, John "Stanley" LEWIS, born Dec. 1859 in > Liverpool. > (There is more information in archives of this List.) > > John had 2 older sisters which I know very little about. He had 3 > brothers, I think, and they all worked as "Clerks" - so they all were > educated. From memory, 3 worked in attorney's offices (US term), and > one > worked at a Dock office. There is some information on the families of > the brothers in the archives of the List. I don't recall whether any of > the brothers had a son, John, b1875. > > I've been told that LEWIS is a very popular name in Liverpool and > surrounding areas, so it's possible my John LEWIS had no connection to > your > John LEWIS. But, what surprises me is that I very rarely see a query > about > the name. > > Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marion Charlesworth" <marion.charlesworth@ntlworld.com> > To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 11:13 AM > Subject: [ENG-LIV] John Lewis - Liverpool Suicide 1932? > > > > > Secondly, I have failed to find any info on my grandfather, John Lewis > (b.1875, married Annie Boyce 1899) who hanged himself in about 1932. > I can't find a death certificate or any other information. I know he was > a > docker on Liverpool Docks, and in the Dock battalion of the Liverpool > Regiment in 1915. > > Marion, East Sussex > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sandra, The LDS IGI Files contain this group of FROSTs that were baptized at St. Peter's in Liverpool. All were children of William and Mary FROST. =============== FamilySearch® International Genealogical Index™ v5.0 International Genealogical Index CHARLOTTE FROST - Christening: 01 NOV 1868 Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England THOMAS FROST - Christening: 01 JUN 1873 Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Harriet Frost - Christening: 26 FEB 1882 St Peter'S, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Lilian Frost - Christening: 14 APR 1884 St Peter'S, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Mary Frost - Christening: 03 AUG 1886 St Peter'S, Liverpool, Lancashire, England =============== The actual baptismal record can be seen by visiting your local LDS Family History Center and renting the appropriate St. Peters microfilm or visiting the Liverpool Record Office. =============== Parish registers for St. Peter's Church, Liverpool, 1704-1919 Church of England. St. Peter's Church (Liverpool, Lancashire) (Main Author) Microfilm of original records at the Liverpool Record Office. ... Christenings, 1867-1869. - FHL BRITISH Film [ 93894 ] Christenings, 1869-1872. - FHL BRITISH Film [ 93895 ] Christenings, 1871-1872. - FHL BRITISH Film [ 93896 ] Christenings, 1872-1874. - FHL BRITISH Film [ 93897 ] Christenings, 1874-1877. - FHL BRITISH Film [ 93898 ] Christenings, 1877-1881. - FHL BRITISH Film [ 93899 ] Christenings, 1879-1881. - FHL BRITISH Film [ 93900 ] Christenings, 1881-1886. - FHL BRITISH Film [ 93901 ] Christenings, 1881-1886. - FHL BRITISH Film [ 93902 ] Christenings, 1881-1886. - FHL BRITISH Film [ 93903 ] Christenings, 1886-1888. - FHL BRITISH Film [ 93904 ] ... =============== At 02:36 PM 8/20/2009, you wrote: >From: "sandra whitmore" <sandrawhitmore@blueyonder.co.uk> >Subject: [ENG-LIV] re; HARRIET FROST..... > >Dear Lister`s, > >I am really Stuck against a HUGE brick wall....I am looking for a Harriet >Frost, born 1882 in Liverpool, Lancashire... Harriet was in a Industrial >School in 1891 in Liverpool, with two possible Sister`s, Mary and Lillian... >I was told that when HARRIET left the School, she was a cook in DEAL in >KENT!!! However, that would have been between end of 1891 and she was >married to William Joseph Young in Liverpool, in either 1901 or 1902?..... > >They had children, who were, William Andrew, Ellen Patricia, Robert Nisbet, >Frederick, Elizabeth, and Joyce, all had the surname of, YOUNG..... They >all lived in Liverpool... > >We have no idea where Harriet lived before being in the, Industrial school >in Liverpool and when she married in 1901/2..... we also have no idea at >this present time, who her parents were and where they lived! I have sent >for her birth Certificate, but we have a postal strike at the moment... >Harriet died in 1947/8 after her Husband had also died, due to a car crash >they were involved in, in 1947..Her Husband, William Joseph Young, died >after the accident happened! > >If anyone would be willing to help us find HARRIET FROST, married name, >YOUNG, we would be extremely grateful! > >In anticipation, Sandra.. west midlands.. ____________________________________________________________ Overcome your fear of public speaking with these easy, effective workshops. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbe1nX6Yge8xY7RbbIqbNE5Q8xHBUoutRI0TceuquwD9OBxHTTtPy/

Hi, Here it is from the Lancashire BMD. You can send away using the reference number to get the parents. Theer is also a probable birth and ref. no. Marriages In 1902 FROST Harriet YOUNG William J Kirkdale, St. Mary Liverpool 2013WD/23/20 Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1882 SurnameForename(s)Sub-DistrictRegisters AtMother's Maiden NameReference FROSTHarrietToxteth ParkLiverpool TP/256/98 Joan Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "sandra whitmore" <sandrawhitmore@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 14:09 Subject: [ENG-LIV] re; HARRIET FROST..... > Dear Lister`s, > > I am really Stuck against a HUGE brick wall....I am looking for a Harriet > Frost, born 1882 in Liverpool, Lancashire... Harriet was in a Industrial > School in 1891 in Liverpool, with two possible Sister`s, Mary and > Lillian... > I was told that when HARRIET left the School, she was a cook in DEAL in > KENT!!! However, that would have been between end of 1891 and she was > married to William Joseph Young in Liverpool, in either 1901 or 1902?..... > > > > They had children, who were, William Andrew, Ellen Patricia, Robert > Nisbet, > Frederick, Elizabeth, and Joyce, all had the surname of, YOUNG..... They > all lived in Liverpool... > > > > We have no idea where Harriet lived before being in the, Industrial school > in Liverpool and when she married in 1901/2..... we also have no idea at > this present time, who her parents were and where they lived! I have sent > for her birth Certificate, but we have a postal strike at the moment... > Harriet died in 1947/8 after her Husband had also died, due to a car crash > they were involved in, in 1947..Her Husband, William Joseph Young, died > after the accident happened! > > > > If anyone would be willing to help us find HARRIET FROST, married name, > YOUNG, we would be extremely grateful! > > > > In anticipation, Sandra.. west midlands.. > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I would like to know if possible where my great grandmother would have been sent. She was 13 years old and convicted of Larceny and her sentence was 14 days in prison and 5 years in a reform school. She lived in Liverpool and it was the year 1865. I've tried googling reform schools in Liverpool but all it seems to come up with is for boys her name was Martha Breckell, would appreciate any advice. Regards Gill

I would like to know if possible where my great grandmother would have been sent. She was 13 years old and convicted of Larceny and her sentence was 14 days in prison and 5 years in a reform school. She lived in Liverpool and it was the year 1865. I've tried googling reform schools in Liverpool but all it seems to come up with is for boys her name was Martha Breckell, would appreciate any advice. Regards Gill