Hi, Gill. >From the Liverpool Record Office Catalogue: To give further consideration to this matter a "Public Meeting of the Catholics of the Liverpool Diocese" was held on 5 Aug. 1856, in the Queen's Hall, Bold Street. The outcome of this meeting was that a fund to finance the provision of reformatory accommodation for Liverpool's young Catholic offenders was set up and a committee appointed to administer it. No steps were taken to build a reformatory school in the Diocese but loans and contributions were made to the Cistercian Abbey of Mount St. Bernard, Loughborough, Leicestershire, to which Liverpool's Catholic boy offenders were sent. Girls were sent to the care of the Sisters of the Good Shepherd at Arnos Court, Bristol. They have records from 1854 onwards: Rolls of Juvenile Offenders and related registers, 7 vols., 7 docs., 1854-1860, 1890-1945 There is also a Register of Juvenile Offenders committed to Reformatories by Magistrates of the Borough of Liverpool under the Act 17 & 18 Vic., cap. 86, but that only goes up to 1860. You might be interested in: Yesterday's naughty children [A history of the Liverpool Reformatory Association] by Joan Rimmer - from Liverpool library. Rachel -----Original Message----- From: eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of GILLIAN52@aol.com Sent: 20 August 2009 20:39 To: Lancsgen-L-request@rootsweb.co; ENG-LIVERPOOL@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LIV] REFORM SCHOOL I would like to know if possible where my great grandmother would have been sent. She was 13 years old and convicted of Larceny and her sentence was 14 days in prison and 5 years in a reform school. She lived in Liverpool and it was the year 1865. I've tried googling reform schools in Liverpool but all it seems to come up with is for boys her name was Martha Breckell, would appreciate any advice. Regards Gill ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John, Thank you very much for that additional information - it should be much easier now to find the location of Penrith Street and what type of housing existed there at the end of the 19thC Kind regards, Rosemary ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John Hardy wrote: > Rosemary, > > A 1906 Ordnance Survey map of Toxteth shows a Penrith Street running between > Emerson Street and Avison Street. > > Whilst RG11/3635 foilio 105 page 39 records it as Penryth Street; the start > of the street is actually on page 34, and here it is shown as Penrith > Street. Also on page 34 is the end of Emerson Street.

Rosemary, A 1906 Ordnance Survey map of Toxteth shows a Penrith Street running between Emerson Street and Avison Street. Whilst RG11/3635 foilio 105 page 39 records it as Penryth Street; the start of the street is actually on page 34, and here it is shown as Penrith Street. Also on page 34 is the end of Emerson Street. Regards, John Hardy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemary Probert" Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Pengwern Street maybe??? > I should have added the reference for the 1881 census entry in case > anyone wanted to check my interpretation - > > RG11/3635 folio 105 page 39 > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Barbara Harvey wrote: >> >> --- On Sat, 22/8/09, eng-liverpool-request@rootsweb.com >> <eng-liverpool-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> Could PENRYTH STREET be Pengwern Street? This is off Admiral Street >> ,Toxteth. >> >> Barbara in Liverpool > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

John, do you happen to know just where in Mount Vernon the reform school was situated. I ask because I grew up in Edge Hill. My grandfather married my grandmother at St. Mary's church in 1904 and the marriage certificate shows him living at #3 Back Mount Vernon Green and Grandma living at #1 Irvine Street (a still exisiting pub - Mount Vernon Hotel). (I never knew my Grandpa to take a drink stronger than sarsasparilla). I had family living in Albany Road that abuts Mount Vernon Green; I recall the Lybro factory but that's it. As far as schools for naughty kids were concerned my Dad often threatened he'd send me to "Queenie Street where they pin your ears back" - that was Queensland Street Industrial school near Overton Street. Bill in Nanaimo ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hardy" <jwhardy@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com>; <Lancsgen-L-request@rootsweb.co> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 4:05 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] REFORM SCHOOL > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <GILLIAN52@aol.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 8:39 PM > Subject: [ENG-LIV] REFORM SCHOOL > >>I would like to know if possible where my great grandmother would have >> been sent. She was 13 years old and convicted of Larceny and her >> sentence >> was 14 days in prison and 5 years in a reform school. She lived in >> Liverpool >> and it was the year 1865. I've tried googling reform schools in >> Liverpool >> but >> all it seems to come up with is for boys her name was Martha Breckell, >> would appreciate any advice. > > Gillian, > > Martha was sent to the Liverpool Reformatory School for Girls, Mount > Vernon > Green, Edge Hill, Liverpool. > > Following her trial, the newspaper 'The Daily Courier' Saturday, March > 11th > 1865, printed the following... > > "Martha Breckell, 35, Rose Breckell, 30, and Martha Breckell 14, and Mary > Carter 58, were charged, the three first prisoners with having stolen some > boots, handkerchiefs and other articles belonging to Messrs.J.R.Jeffery > and > Co., and Mary Carter with having received part of the property, knowing it > to have been stolen. The elder Breckell was sentenced to eight months, > Rose > Breckell to four months and Martha Breckell the younger to fourteen days > imprisonment, and to be sent to the Edge Hill Reformatory for five years, > and Mary Carter to eight months imprisonment". > > The Liverpool Quarter Sessions, Home Office Returns Register 9th March > 1865, > recorded young Martha's sentence as "Imprisonment 14 days and then to be > sent to Liverpool Reformatory for girls - Mount Vernon Green for 5 years". > > Regards, > John Hardy. > > > > > > > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Barbara, Thank you for your suggestion. I've had another look at the image and the address definitely ends in --yth. I should have added the reference for the 1881 census entry in case anyone wanted to check my interpretation - RG11/3635 folio 105 page 39 I don't have access to Ancestry etc at the moment so I can't go back and see which streets are in the same area. Kind regards, Rosemary Northumberland UK Family History: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rprobert/ Banburyshire Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcbanb/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Barbara Harvey wrote: > > --- On Sat, 22/8/09, eng-liverpool-request@rootsweb.com <eng-liverpool-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Could PENRYTH STREET be Pengwern Street? This is off Admiral Street ,Toxteth. > > Barbara in Liverpool

There is a Penrith Street in Toxteth Park. It is in the 1908 Edwardian map book and is a very small street off Windsor Street near Upper Stanhope Street. Could this be what you are looking for? Pippa

Hi listers: I have a pair of marriages: Robert BARLOW married Martha Alice DOKE in Saint Helens on 18 May 1855 then a month later Robert's sister Esther BARLOW married Martha's brother William Woodward DOKE on 18 Jun 1855 in Prescot with the first couple as witnesses. Sources: Liverpool Mercury Tuesday, May 29, 1855; Issue 2693. May 18, at St. Helen's Independent Chapel, by the Rev. J. Edmonds, Mr Robert Barlow of Prescot, to Martha Alice, only daughter of the late Mr. William Doke, of the same place. Liverpool Mercury Tuesday, June 19, 1855; Issue 2699. June 18, at Prescot Church, by the Rev. L. W. Sampson, vicar, Mr. William Woodward Doke to Miss Esther Barlow, both of Prescot. Lancs OPC: Marriage: 18 Jun 1855 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England William Woodward Doke - Stockbroker bachelor of Prescot Esther Barlow - spinster of Prescot Groom's Father: William Doke, Watchmaker Bride's Father: Robert Barlow, Saddler Witness: Robert Barlow; Martha Alice Barlow Married by Licence by: LW Sampson Register: Marriages 1854 - 1860, Page 51, Entry 101 Source: LDS Film 1657597 item 2 Looking for any connections. Happy to exchange research. (Also posted to Prescot list) Ian Jordan Sydney

Hi Listers Ann FRANKLIN is listed in Pigot & Co.'s Directory, 1828-29 under Milliner and Dressmakers in the Market place, Prescot. I have an Ann FRANKLIN who married 15 Dec 1813 Saint Peter Church Street, Liverpool, Lancashire, England to Robert BARLOW a saddler of Prescot. The Liverpool Mercury records her death in its columns of Friday, 11 March 1831: "On Tuesday the 1st instant ... after a long and painful illness, Anne, the wife of Mr. Robert Barlow, saddler, of Prescot." Any connections? Looking for her parents and any siblings. (also posted to Prescot list) Regards Ian Jordan Sydney

--- On Sat, 22/8/09, eng-liverpool-request@rootsweb.com <eng-liverpool-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: Could PENRYTH STREET be Pengwern Street?  This is off Admiral Street ,Toxteth. Barbara in Liverpool

Hi looks like I have the spelling wrong - sorry - I don't know the Toxteth one. Scotland Road is the north of the city and Toxteth is the south - quite a way from each other. I am a fool Audrey O'Keefe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemary Probert" <rosemary@rprobert.co.uk> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Penryth Street, Toxteth Park > MYERS family > Hi, > > Thank you Audrey. > > I've had a look on Google Earth and found Scotland Road (L5) and a > Penrhyn Street - is this the same as Penryth? Am I in the right area? > > From the census Penryth Street was in Toxteth Park > > Kind regards, > > Rosemary > Northumberland UK > > Email: rosemary@rprobert.co.uk > Family History: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rprobert/ > Banburyshire Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcbanb/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Audrey O'Keefe wrote: >> Hi >> the only Penryth Street that I know is on Scotland road, my G Gran lived >> there - it's at the side of St Anthony's church. > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, Thank you Audrey. I've had a look on Google Earth and found Scotland Road (L5) and a Penrhyn Street - is this the same as Penryth? Am I in the right area? From the census Penryth Street was in Toxteth Park Kind regards, Rosemary Northumberland UK Email: rosemary@rprobert.co.uk Family History: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rprobert/ Banburyshire Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcbanb/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Audrey O'Keefe wrote: > Hi > the only Penryth Street that I know is on Scotland road, my G Gran lived > there - it's at the side of St Anthony's church.

Hi the only Penryth Street that I know is on Scotland road, my G Gran lived there - it's at the side of St Anthony's church. Audrey O'Keefe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemary Probert" <rosemary@rprobert.co.uk> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:51 PM Subject: [ENG-LIV] Penryth Street, Toxteth Park > MYERS family > Hi all, > > I'm trying to find out more about Penryth Street, in Toxteth Park. > > In the 1881 census, my husband's great-grand father, Morris MYERS, was > living at number 15 with his older brother, Lewis: > > Lewis MYERS, head, married, 37, hawker pictures, born in Poland > Sarah MYERS, wife, married, 36, born in Poland, > Leah MYERS, daughter, 12, born in Scotland > Annie MYERS, daughter, 10, born in Scotland > Esther MYERS, daughter, 6, born in Newcastle > Rosey MYERS, daughter, 4, born in Liverpool > Samuel MYERS, son, 2, born in Liverpool > Morris MYERS, brother, unmarried, 17, commission traveller, born in Poland > > Where was Penryth Street? > What type of houses were they? > Does anyone know where I can obtain a copy of a map with it on? > Or photographs of it or similar? > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Kind regards, > > Rosemary > Northumberland UK > > Email: rosemary@rprobert.co.uk > Family History: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rprobert/ > Banburyshire Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcbanb/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Betty thank you for the information, so sad really when you think of all the children shipped abroad at that time when many were just stealing to feed themselves. Kind regards Gill In a message dated 22/08/2009 21:37:45 GMT Standard Time, bbffrrpp@comcast.net writes: Hi Gill, Just an FYI. My great-grandmother's older brother, Edward Evan CORKILL, was sent to the Akbar Reform Ship ~1870. I have no idea whether it was strictly for boys. (In 1873, he "somehow" made his way to British Columbia, Canada. His 5 younger siblings went to the Liverpool Sheltering Homes in 1873 when it opened that year. In 1874, they were "shipped to Canada" as "Child Migrants." They all went to different homes in Nova Scotia. I have no way of knowing whether the siblings remained in contact. And, I have no way of knowing whether their father remained in contact with them. Evan CORKILL, a Master Mariner, lived for some 20 years afterwards.) Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) (There is a new CORKILL List.) ----- Original Message ----- From: <GILLIAN52@aol.com> To: <Lancsgen-L-request@rootsweb.co>; <ENG-LIVERPOOL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:39 PM Subject: [ENG-LIV] REFORM SCHOOL >I would like to know if possible where my great grandmother would have > been sent. She was 13 years old and convicted of Larceny and her sentence > was > 14 days in prison and 5 years in a reform school. She lived in Liverpool > and it was the year 1865. I've tried googling reform schools in Liverpool > but > all it seems to come up with is for boys her name was Martha Breckell, > would appreciate any advice. > > Regards Gill > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think the one near Scotland Rd is Penryn St, i think. ________________________________ From: Ian Jordan <paynescrossing@gmail.com> To: ENG-LIVERPOOL@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 22 August, 2009 3:40:15 PM Subject: [ENG-LIV] BARLOW and DOKE Hi listers: I have a pair of marriages: Robert BARLOW married Martha Alice DOKE in Saint Helens on 18 May 1855 then a month later Robert's sister Esther BARLOW married Martha's brother William Woodward DOKE on 18 Jun 1855 in Prescot with the first couple as witnesses. Sources: Liverpool Mercury Tuesday, May 29, 1855; Issue 2693. May 18, at St. Helen's Independent Chapel, by the Rev. J. Edmonds, Mr Robert Barlow of Prescot, to Martha Alice, only daughter of the late Mr. William Doke, of the same place. Liverpool Mercury Tuesday, June 19, 1855; Issue 2699. June 18, at Prescot Church, by the Rev. L. W. Sampson, vicar, Mr. William Woodward Doke to Miss Esther Barlow, both of Prescot. Lancs OPC: Marriage: 18 Jun 1855 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England William Woodward Doke - Stockbroker bachelor of Prescot Esther Barlow - spinster of Prescot Groom's Father: William Doke, Watchmaker Bride's Father: Robert Barlow, Saddler Witness: Robert Barlow; Martha Alice Barlow Married by Licence by: LW Sampson Register: Marriages 1854 - 1860, Page 51, Entry 101 Source: LDS Film 1657597 item 2 Looking for any connections. Happy to exchange research. (Also posted to Prescot list) Ian Jordan Sydney ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, I'm trying to find out more about Penryth Street, in Toxteth Park. In the 1881 census, my husband's great-grand father, Morris MYERS, was living at number 15 with his older brother, Lewis: Lewis MYERS, head, married, 37, hawker pictures, born in Poland Sarah MYERS, wife, married, 36, born in Poland, Leah MYERS, daughter, 12, born in Scotland Annie MYERS, daughter, 10, born in Scotland Esther MYERS, daughter, 6, born in Newcastle Rosey MYERS, daughter, 4, born in Liverpool Samuel MYERS, son, 2, born in Liverpool Morris MYERS, brother, unmarried, 17, commission traveller, born in Poland Where was Penryth Street? What type of houses were they? Does anyone know where I can obtain a copy of a map with it on? Or photographs of it or similar? Any help would be appreciated. Kind regards, Rosemary Northumberland UK Email: rosemary@rprobert.co.uk Family History: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rprobert/ Banburyshire Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcbanb/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Can anyone help me identify Charles TURNER who was a constable according to Liverpool online directories: In 1827: Charles Turner listed as a police officer in St. Ann's District who was living at 15 Clare St. In 1829: Charles Turner, Marquis Street, St. John's District living on Marquis Street 1 Marquis Street Not listed in the 1853(?) directory and using Liverpool, Lancashire on 1841 census not found either. Are there some sort of records of constables, police officers during this time period? Would the LDS hold any of these? Thanks so much for any suggestions. Janet in California **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115)

Hello all, A few weeks ago I was very fortunate to finally find my Gran's sister that I had been searching for for over 5 years. Now I am looking for one of her grandsons that could very well be alive & still living in Liverpool. This is where I really could use your help as I live in Canada which makes this search almost impossible. I am looking for a Clifford H. Jackson born in June of 1936 in Liverpool. He is the son on Henry G. Jackson & Margaret Elizabeth Cottrell. I would really like to correspond with Clifford & to find out more about my Gran's sister . Clifford married a Thelma Manvile in March of 1956 in Liverpool. Hopefully they are still living in Liverpool today. I realize that there could be a lot with the same name in the white pages of your phone directory but I'm also hoping one listing will show Clifford H. Jackson. I would really appreciate your help with finding the right Clifford and his address so I can get a letter off to him.. Hoping to hear back and I thank you in advance. You are welcome to write to me on or off list . Regards Margie in Ontario Canada bmpage@sympatico.ca

Hi Gill, Just an FYI. My great-grandmother's older brother, Edward Evan CORKILL, was sent to the Akbar Reform Ship ~1870. I have no idea whether it was strictly for boys. (In 1873, he "somehow" made his way to British Columbia, Canada. His 5 younger siblings went to the Liverpool Sheltering Homes in 1873 when it opened that year. In 1874, they were "shipped to Canada" as "Child Migrants." They all went to different homes in Nova Scotia. I have no way of knowing whether the siblings remained in contact. And, I have no way of knowing whether their father remained in contact with them. Evan CORKILL, a Master Mariner, lived for some 20 years afterwards.) Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) (There is a new CORKILL List.) ----- Original Message ----- From: <GILLIAN52@aol.com> To: <Lancsgen-L-request@rootsweb.co>; <ENG-LIVERPOOL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:39 PM Subject: [ENG-LIV] REFORM SCHOOL >I would like to know if possible where my great grandmother would have > been sent. She was 13 years old and convicted of Larceny and her sentence > was > 14 days in prison and 5 years in a reform school. She lived in Liverpool > and it was the year 1865. I've tried googling reform schools in Liverpool > but > all it seems to come up with is for boys her name was Martha Breckell, > would appreciate any advice. > > Regards Gill > > >

Carolyn to order the full details, which will only be the basic information RC parish registers hold, i.e. bride and groom, address, fathers' names and names of witnesses, go to http://www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co.uk/index.htm find what you want on the index and click the button to request the details. Sue > Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:12:24 -0400 > To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com > From: ca.parker@comcast.net > Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Liverpool History Project > > At 12:55 PM 8/21/2009, you wrote: > > >"One example, a cousin purchased the full details of a marriage that > >took place in St Brigid's in 1893 and the full details said 1873 at > >All Souls." > > >How can one purchase the full details? Thanks, Carolyn > > > > > > > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Celebrate a decade of Messenger with free winks, emoticons, display pics, and more. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/

carrspace@mac.com wrote snip< Mary Susan Cunningham who appears in the 1911 census as in HM Prison, Walton on the Hill, Liverpool. Can you advise or tell me where I should look to find out exactly why she was there? Hi Dave I am sorry I only have access to the newspapers of the 1800's Christine