G'day Anne, When the Board of Trade in Britain got rid of the Crew Agreements records, a 10% sample was acquired by the PRO; a further 10% by the National Maritime Museum at Greenwich (years ending in a 5); and a third 10% by local museums and county record offices (ships of local interest). The other 70% was acquired by the: Maritime History Archive, Memorial University St John's Newfoundland Canada The front page of Crew Agreements give details of the ship, its owners, insurance etc etc. The back page has the stamps of the Harbourmaster (British ports including the Empire) or British Consul (foreign ports). The inside pages list the crew with details of rank age (or date of birth) birthplace rate of pay name of previous ship date of previous voyage discharge (if applicable) I used the services of the Maritime History Archive in St John's in the pre-internet days to trace my German great grandfather back voyage by voyage until he first signed on as crew on a British ship while it was docked in Hamburg. It cost me C$30 at the time. (The British Merchant Navy was far and away the largest Merchant Navy in the world at the time and employed thousands of foreigners as crew). By the way, there would have been no "Prussian Navy" in 1881. The German Empire was formed in 1871 with the King of Prussia as Emperor. While the Prussian Army continued in existence, as did the Saxon, Bavarian and Wurttemberg Armies, which fought under the "German High Command", there was the single "German Imperial Navy" under Admiral Tirpitz, which later in the 19th century grew to challenge the Royal Navy. If your great grandfather deserted in New South Wales, even from a merchant ship, then he is more than likely listed in the NSW Police (or Government) Gazette. Hope this helps David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: leech07@optusnet.com.au To: ENG-LIVERPOOL@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 4:30 PM Subject: [ENG-LIV] Shipping After many years of searching a distant family member allerted me to the records online of shipping coming to Sydney Australia. On the "Mariners and Ships in Australian Waters" site I have found who I think was my great grandfather. He was believed to have deserted ship from the Prussian Navy before he arrived here. However the first Mate on the "Champion" from Liverpool to Sydney in 1881 appears to be him. Was it therefore possible that he then served on English ships? I have now seen that Liverpool in those days was home to a mix of seamen from all over the world, possibly illeagle too. I was wondering if anyone on the list knows how I can find out what type of ship the "Champion" was. It appears to be some sort of merchantile vessel as there was only one passenger. The seaman I am researching was Rudolph Charles Frederik Priester, born Gustrow Prussia in c1833. I was wondering if he featured on an 1881 Census although I can't find him online. Possibly he was in UK for the 1871 Census? He did not marry until he got to Australia so I'm wondering if he features on any sort of records in the UK other than BMD. Any help much appreciated. Anne ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

After many years of searching a distant family member allerted me to the records online of shipping coming to Sydney Australia. On the "Mariners and Ships in Australian Waters" site I have found who I think was my great grandfather. He was believed to have deserted ship from the Prussian Navy before he arrived here. However the first Mate on the "Champion" from Liverpool to Sydney in 1881 appears to be him. Was it therefore possible that he then served on English ships? I have now seen that Liverpool in those days was home to a mix of seamen from all over the world, possibly illeagle too. I was wondering if anyone on the list knows how I can find out what type of ship the "Champion" was. It appears to be some sort of merchantile vessel as there was only one passenger. The seaman I am researching was Rudolph Charles Frederik Priester, born Gustrow Prussia in c1833. I was wondering if he featured on an 1881 Census although I can't find him online. Possibly he was in UK for the 1871 Census? He did not marry until he got to Australia so I'm wondering if he features on any sort of records in the UK other than BMD. Any help much appreciated. Anne

Hi Joan, just counted mine 5 different links to mine and wife's. Even have a SMIDT, that's German on my maternal grandmother's side. They then married SMITHs' out here in NZ. Regards, Les. #17255 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Lyons" <jlyons1044@earthlink.net> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] SMITH > Hi, Made me laugh about how many Smiths could be in a family. I have > three different ones! > > Joan > On Sep 6, 2009, at 11:31 PM, lhibbard wrote: > >> Hi Paul, who doesn't have a SMITH in their tree!. >> >> My brickwall is Alice Whittick SMITH born c 1856 in Liverpool. >> >> Father John SMITH >> Mother Elizabeth ? could be WHITTICK or WINDSOR. >> >> Regards, >> >> Les. >> #17255 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "A durn" <rosableu08@yahoo.co.uk> >> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 2:05 AM >> Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] SMITH >> >> >> Hello Paul, >> Many thanks for your reply >> This is my SMITH family in Wirksworth >> C 1883oct24 SMITH William=George/Mary ann(Wirksworth)[Gardener],#1209 >> >> >> >> C 1812sep13 SMITH George >> C=(son)Richard/Elizabeth(Wirksworth),dob=1812feb01,"Charlton >> >> --- On Sun, 6/9/09, Paul Goodman <paul.goodman513@ntlworld.com> wrote: >> >>> From: Paul Goodman <paul.goodman513@ntlworld.com> >>> Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] SMITH >>> To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Sunday, 6 September, 2009, 1:32 PM >>> Hi Aileen, >>> >>> Can you give a few more details as to when the move to >>> Liverpool occurred. >>> My Grandmother was a Smith and had 3 sisters and a >>> brother. >>> >>> Paul Goodman >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "A durn" <rosableu08@yahoo.co.uk> >>> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 1:07 PM >>> Subject: [ENG-LIV] SMITH >>> >>> >>>> Anyone on the list researching SMITH ? >>>> >>>> Family in Liverpool Lancs area, originally from >>> Wirksworth Derbyshire ? >>>> Would love to be in touch >>>> Aileen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >>>> >>>> Admin Message - List guidelines: >>>> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/ >>>> AdminMessage.htm >>>> >>>> The list admin can be contacted at >>>> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> >>>> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >>> >>> Admin Message - List guidelines: >>> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >>> >>> The list admin can be contacted at >>> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >>> subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> >> Admin Message - List guidelines: >> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >> >> The list admin can be contacted at >> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> >> Admin Message - List guidelines: >> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >> >> The list admin can be contacted at >> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Paul, who doesn't have a SMITH in their tree!. My brickwall is Alice Whittick SMITH born c 1856 in Liverpool. Father John SMITH Mother Elizabeth ? could be WHITTICK or WINDSOR. Regards, Les. #17255 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A durn" <rosableu08@yahoo.co.uk> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 2:05 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] SMITH Hello Paul, Many thanks for your reply This is my SMITH family in Wirksworth C 1883oct24 SMITH William=George/Mary ann(Wirksworth)[Gardener],#1209 C 1812sep13 SMITH George C=(son)Richard/Elizabeth(Wirksworth),dob=1812feb01,"Charlton --- On Sun, 6/9/09, Paul Goodman <paul.goodman513@ntlworld.com> wrote: > From: Paul Goodman <paul.goodman513@ntlworld.com> > Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] SMITH > To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com > Date: Sunday, 6 September, 2009, 1:32 PM > Hi Aileen, > > Can you give a few more details as to when the move to > Liverpool occurred. > My Grandmother was a Smith and had 3 sisters and a > brother. > > Paul Goodman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A durn" <rosableu08@yahoo.co.uk> > To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 1:07 PM > Subject: [ENG-LIV] SMITH > > > > Anyone on the list researching SMITH ? > > > > Family in Liverpool Lancs area, originally from > Wirksworth Derbyshire ? > > Would love to be in touch > > Aileen > > > > > > > > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > > > The list admin can be contacted at > > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My policeman ancestor is a little earlier. Robert MOFFATT is listed as both a constable and a policeman on the 1871 census and on his death certificate of 1872. I have contacted the Merseyside police department and they have no record of his being on their force. Are there any other record sources I could check? Sandra _________________________________________________________________ New: Messenger sign-in on the MSN homepage http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677403

Hilary Sorry that the name was not found but it is important to note that only householders are listed, no sub-tenants, so rented accommodation may have several families in occupation of various parts but only one name , that of the person paying rent to the owner or agent, will be included. Terry Heath Cheltenham UK

Hello all, I have been asked to pass on the following information by the Lancashire Online Parish Clerks. As of Monday 7th September 2009, you can offer your services by going to the main web page and clicking on 'Volunteer Opportunities' which is found in the left hand margin - http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html Within the explanation about becoming a (much valued) transcriber, is this paragraph, which may help you decide whether this is something you would like to be involved in: "Transcribing parish records can be very rewarding. No previous experience is needed, nor do you need any specialist equipment. You do not have to live in Lancashire, nor do you have to live near to a record office or library. Our transcribers come from all over the world. You do need to have access to a computer with spreadsheet software (Excel, Open Office or Works), and be familiar with the basics of using one. Volunteers are given full instructions and support, and there is an opportunity to try out the task of transcribing before you commit yourself further." Regards, Sally

Hi Les, I agree about everyone having a SMITH. The original posting gave no information and I was asking for clarification so that everyone who has a SMITH could know whether to respond or not. I'm pleased that some folk thought it was funny. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "lhibbard" <lhibbard@clear.net.nz> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 4:31 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] SMITH > Hi Paul, who doesn't have a SMITH in their tree!. > > My brickwall is Alice Whittick SMITH born c 1856 in Liverpool. > > Father John SMITH > Mother Elizabeth ? could be WHITTICK or WINDSOR. > > Regards, > > Les. > #17255 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A durn" <rosableu08@yahoo.co.uk> > To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 2:05 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] SMITH > > > Hello Paul, > Many thanks for your reply > This is my SMITH family in Wirksworth > C 1883oct24 SMITH William=George/Mary ann(Wirksworth)[Gardener],#1209 > > > > C 1812sep13 SMITH George > C=(son)Richard/Elizabeth(Wirksworth),dob=1812feb01,"Charlton > > --- On Sun, 6/9/09, Paul Goodman <paul.goodman513@ntlworld.com> wrote: > >> From: Paul Goodman <paul.goodman513@ntlworld.com> >> Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] SMITH >> To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com >> Date: Sunday, 6 September, 2009, 1:32 PM >> Hi Aileen, >> >> Can you give a few more details as to when the move to >> Liverpool occurred. >> My Grandmother was a Smith and had 3 sisters and a >> brother. >> >> Paul Goodman >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "A durn" <rosableu08@yahoo.co.uk> >> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 1:07 PM >> Subject: [ENG-LIV] SMITH >> >> >> > Anyone on the list researching SMITH ? >> > >> > Family in Liverpool Lancs area, originally from >> Wirksworth Derbyshire ? >> > Would love to be in touch >> > Aileen >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> > >> > Admin Message - List guidelines: >> > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >> > >> > The list admin can be contacted at >> > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> >> Admin Message - List guidelines: >> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >> >> The list admin can be contacted at >> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >> subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Whoops! Sorry for the rich texting and non-snippage in my earlier post to the list! Sort of like forgetting to attach a file before sending. I hate that when it happens! Silly Mike _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you’re up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009

It's a pleasure, Bob! Please provide years of birth and I'll get these for you tomorrow when the center opens again...today is a holiday. Mike > Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 06:05:34 -0700 > From: kats07@ameritech.net > To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Research Offer 1911 Look Up BARLOW and JOHNSON > > Hello Mike, > I am looking for 2 families in the 1911 census: > 1. Horace W BARLOW - wife Mary Ann. > > 2. Venables JOHNSON - wife Annie > > They were living in the Bebbington or New Ferry area. > > Thank you, I hope this isn't a problem, > > > Bob > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Mike Kendall <mak8409@hotmail.com> > To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2009 10:11:20 AM > Subject: [ENG-LIV] Research Offer > > > Good morning List! > > > > I don't have immediate access to resources (books, film, fiche) at home, but I make the offer below to the list to assist those in need. > > > > - I'll conduct requests for the 1911 census for free (1-3 day turnaround). > > > > - If you need anything from the FHL in SLC that you are unable to find in the UK (or maybe are seeking a better copy) or need special assistance such as a handwriting expert please contact me directly. > > > > Mike > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. > http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you’re up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009

I also am fortunate to have a John Smith : 1851 census. 8 court Ashley St. Worthington Place Toxteth Park Liverpool Peter Smith. head. marr. age 69. ShipKeeper. b. Lym Cheshire Jane wife age 50 b. Liverpool John son marr. age 26 Waterman b. Liverpool Thomas son age 16 Striker, Chain foundry. b. Liverpool Elizabeth daut age 14 b. Liverpool James son age 9 School boy b. Liverpool Margaret g/daut age 6 School Girl b. Liverpool William g/son age 4 b. Liverpool Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2187; Folio: 300; Page: 17; GSU roll: 87194 Dave D. > Hi, Made me laugh about how many Smiths could be in a family. I have > three different ones! > > Joan > On Sep 6, 2009, at 11:31 PM, lhibbard wrote: > >> Hi Paul, who doesn't have a SMITH in their tree!. >> >> My brickwall is Alice Whittick SMITH born c 1856 in Liverpool. >> >> Father John SMITH >> Mother Elizabeth ? could be WHITTICK or WINDSOR. >> >> Regards, >> >> Les. >> #17255 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "A durn" <rosableu08@yahoo.co.uk> >> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 2:05 AM >> Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] SMITH >> >> >> Hello Paul, >> Many thanks for your reply >> This is my SMITH family in Wirksworth >> C 1883oct24 SMITH William=George/Mary ann(Wirksworth)[Gardener],#1209 >> >> >> >> C 1812sep13 SMITH George >> C=(son)Richard/Elizabeth(Wirksworth),dob=1812feb01,"Charlton >> >> --- On Sun, 6/9/09, Paul Goodman <paul.goodman513@ntlworld.com> wrote: >> >>> From: Paul Goodman <paul.goodman513@ntlworld.com> >>> Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] SMITH >>> To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Sunday, 6 September, 2009, 1:32 PM >>> Hi Aileen, >>> >>> Can you give a few more details as to when the move to >>> Liverpool occurred. >>> My Grandmother was a Smith and had 3 sisters and a >>> brother. >>> >>> Paul Goodman >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "A durn" <rosableu08@yahoo.co.uk> >>> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 1:07 PM >>> Subject: [ENG-LIV] SMITH >>> >>> >>>> Anyone on the list researching SMITH ? >>>> >>>> Family in Liverpool Lancs area, originally from >>> Wirksworth Derbyshire ? >>>> Would love to be in touch >>>> Aileen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >>>> >>>> Admin Message - List guidelines: >>>> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/ >>>> AdminMessage.htm >>>> >>>> The list admin can be contacted at >>>> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> >>>> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >>> >>> Admin Message - List guidelines: >>> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >>> >>> The list admin can be contacted at >>> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >>> subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> >> Admin Message - List guidelines: >> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >> >> The list admin can be contacted at >> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> >> Admin Message - List guidelines: >> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >> >> The list admin can be contacted at >> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

That is fantastic Sue, Thank you very much, it's wonderful to see some names and dates at last. Much appreciated Ruth Victoria, Australia -----Original Message----- From: eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sue Miller Sent: Sunday, 6 September 2009 9:21 PM To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Lilly Nelson Hi Ruth The birth of Lillie NELSON was registered at West Derby Dec quarter of 1916 volume 8b page 1036 mother's maiden name SWINNERTON other NELSON/SWINNERTON births Lilian N registered June 1912 Liverpool Thomas F June 1915 West Derby, Adelaide Dec 1916 West D and John S S in Sept 1919 also West D. Mother's maiden name only listed from mid 1911 so a look at the 1911 census will probably give more siblings. From the marriage index, James NELSON married Harriet Louisa SWINNERTON registered 1900 and in 1901 census James 24 occ butcher and wife Harriet L 23 are living in Meleden? Rd West Derby with 11 month old Stanley S. Cannot see a registered birth of a Stanley S NELSON but there is a Stanley SWINNERTON registered in June quarter 1900 which may be him. regards Sue > From: ruthashton@dcsi.net.au > To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 15:40:38 +1000 > Subject: [ENG-LIV] Lilly Nelson > > Hello Listers > > > > I'm looking for my Grandmothers family. Her name was Lilly Nelson. We are > unsure whether she spelt it Lilly, Lily, or Lillie. > > She was born either the 19th or 22nd of September 1916 and married Thomas > Eric Ashton in 1936. They had 3 children Joyce, Maureen and Phillip. I am > interested to find out if Lilly had any brothers and sisters and what her > parents names were. > > > > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Ruth > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Use Hotmail to send and receive mail from your different email accounts. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.77/2346 - Release Date: 09/04/09 17:51:00

Hello Listers, This is a message from the Lancashire Online Parish Clerks Co-Ordinator, and it is passed on with their permission. Lancashire OPC recently moved to a new internet hosting service. Since then, we have experienced some technical problems which we are working hard to resolve and to ensure the long term viability of our site. We are a very popular website, and our needs have at times exceeded the capacity available to us via this new host, despite assurances that were given when we moved. We are making improvements to the way the site access is controlled, and hope we will soon be in a position to reinstate the powerful 'search' facility. At the moment, all the data is still available and may be found by surname index via our 'parish pages'. We apologise for any inconvenience and thank you for your patience. Regards, Sally

Hello Mike, I am looking for 2 families in the 1911 census: 1. Horace W BARLOW - wife Mary Ann. 2. Venables JOHNSON - wife Annie They were living in the Bebbington or New Ferry area. Thank you, I hope this isn't a problem, Bob ________________________________ From: Mike Kendall <mak8409@hotmail.com> To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2009 10:11:20 AM Subject: [ENG-LIV] Research Offer Good morning List! I don't have immediate access to resources (books, film, fiche) at home, but I make the offer below to the list to assist those in need. - I'll conduct requests for the 1911 census for free (1-3 day turnaround). - If you need anything from the FHL in SLC that you are unable to find in the UK (or maybe are seeking a better copy) or need special assistance such as a handwriting expert please contact me directly. Mike _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As there may be new listers I am detailing my HELSBY/ARNOLD line again. My mother was Mary HELSBY, one of the children of George HELSBY and Ellen HARRISON. George and Ellen married on September 11th 1912. George was 24 and a Tram Conductor, living at 24 Sutton Street, father Thomas HELSBY, Labourer. Ellen was aged 21 also living at 24 Sutton Street, father John HARRISON deceased Farm Labourer. The marriage was witnessed by Ellen's mother, Elizabeth Ann HARRISON, her brother Thomas HARRISON and a cousin, Mary HAMPSON. George (born 27th Aug 1888 at Mill Yard, Knotty Ash, was the son of Thomas HELSBY and Elizabeth ARNOLD. Thomas was born at Prescot on the 1st March 1858 and he married Elizabeth on 5th July 1885 at Knotty Ash. His details were aged 27, Labourer of Pilch Lane, Roby, father Robert HELSBY, Gardener. Elizabeth was aged 26, a Laundress of the The Mill, Knotty Ash, father Richard ARNOLD, Farm Labourer. Witnesses were James FOSTER and Elizabeth HELSBY. Elizabeth was the daughter of Richard ARNOLD born 1814 who married Margaret COWLEY on the 6th October 1845 at Huyton by Roby. Margaret was born 1817 at Windle. Thomas was the son of Robert HELSBY who was born in 1830 at Prescot and who married Alice HUNTER b 1832 Prescot on the 23rd April 1854. Robert stated his father to be Isaac HELSBY and Alice stated her father to be Thomas HUNTER. In 1881 Elizabeth ARNOLD was living at home 26 Mill Yard, Prescot Road, West Derby Margaret ARNOLD widow aged 64 b Windle Laundress Richard son unmarried aged 26 b Knowsley Farm Labourer Elizabeth daughter unmarried aged 22 b Huyton Laundress Henry son unmarried aged 21 b Prescot no occupation Margaret granddaughter aged 9 b Broadgreen Scholar Thomas was also still living with his parents 1881 Pilch Lane, Huyton with Roby Robert HELSBY married aged 51 b Prescot Gardener Domestic Alice wife aged 48 b Prescot Laundress Thomas son unmarried aged 23 b Prescot Farm Labourer Elizabeth daughter unmarried aged 21 b Prescot Laundress George son unmarried aged 18 b Prescot Porter on Railway John son aged 16 b Prescot Gardener Domestic Margaret daughter aged 12 b Prescot Scholar James son aged 10 b Prescot Scholar Robert son aged 5 b Prescot Scholar Charles son aged 3 b Prescot In 1891 Thomas and Elizabeth are living at: 24 Mill Yard, Prescot Road Thomas HELSBY married aged 33 Labourer b Roby Elizabeth wife aged 30 b Roby Robert son aged 5 Scholar b West Derby Alice daughter aged 4 b West Derby George ( my grandfather) son aged 2 b West Derby There were also two of the ARNOLD brothers living at Mill Yard, at number 13 was Henry ARNOLD and his wife Julia, and at number 26 was Richard ARNOLD unmarried. Any connections? Dorothy Holden Dover Kent England There are three things that can never be retrieved- the spoken word, time past and the neglected opportunity I volunteer for the Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness website www.raogk.org

Hi, Made me laugh about how many Smiths could be in a family. I have three different ones! Joan On Sep 6, 2009, at 11:31 PM, lhibbard wrote: > Hi Paul, who doesn't have a SMITH in their tree!. > > My brickwall is Alice Whittick SMITH born c 1856 in Liverpool. > > Father John SMITH > Mother Elizabeth ? could be WHITTICK or WINDSOR. > > Regards, > > Les. > #17255 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A durn" <rosableu08@yahoo.co.uk> > To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 2:05 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] SMITH > > > Hello Paul, > Many thanks for your reply > This is my SMITH family in Wirksworth > C 1883oct24 SMITH William=George/Mary ann(Wirksworth)[Gardener],#1209 > > > > C 1812sep13 SMITH George > C=(son)Richard/Elizabeth(Wirksworth),dob=1812feb01,"Charlton > > --- On Sun, 6/9/09, Paul Goodman <paul.goodman513@ntlworld.com> wrote: > >> From: Paul Goodman <paul.goodman513@ntlworld.com> >> Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] SMITH >> To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com >> Date: Sunday, 6 September, 2009, 1:32 PM >> Hi Aileen, >> >> Can you give a few more details as to when the move to >> Liverpool occurred. >> My Grandmother was a Smith and had 3 sisters and a >> brother. >> >> Paul Goodman >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "A durn" <rosableu08@yahoo.co.uk> >> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 1:07 PM >> Subject: [ENG-LIV] SMITH >> >> >>> Anyone on the list researching SMITH ? >>> >>> Family in Liverpool Lancs area, originally from >> Wirksworth Derbyshire ? >>> Would love to be in touch >>> Aileen >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >>> >>> Admin Message - List guidelines: >>> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/ >>> AdminMessage.htm >>> >>> The list admin can be contacted at >>> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> >> Admin Message - List guidelines: >> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >> >> The list admin can be contacted at >> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >> subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Unsubscribe On 6/09/09 6:26 PM, "Audrey O'Keefe" <keefe12@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > Hello > There was a cemetery call Necrospolis Cemetery, about 5 mins away from Low > Hill - > Audrey O'Keefe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Kendall" <mak8409@hotmail.com> > To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:28 PM > Subject: [ENG-LIV] Burials in 1840s - Low Hill > > >> >> Any idea where poor people were buried back in the 1840s if living in the >> Low Hill area (Trowbridge Street)? >> >> I'm looking for a a parishioner of St. Peters, but no OBIT as of yet and >> there is no master index to all the cemeteries at the LRO for a quick >> peek. >> >> Could it have been Necropolis? Any other major possibilities? Are there >> any burial register indexes online? >> >> NEWGREEN was the surname in December 1847. I know of a total of 17 family >> members in all of the UK during this period. Might be a quick search if I >> could narrow the search criteria for the LRO staff. >> >> Mike >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. >> http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON: >> WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> >> Admin Message - List guidelines: >> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >> >> The list admin can be contacted at >> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks for looking Terry I am following up a marriage in 1876 between the Hughes and Jebbett families. Best Wishes Hilary. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Heath" <th005c0859@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Jebbett Family > Hilary > No householder of that name listed in Gore's 1911 Liverpool Directory. > Terry Heath > Cheltenham UK > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I find that the Ancestry 1891 Census for Liverpool seems to lack entries for ancestors who I know were there at that time. Is this version known to be deficient? Is there a better version online....or did some of my forefathers deliberately hide themselves in Toxteth? John

Thanks - makes me feel better! -----Original Message----- From: eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paul Goodman Sent: 06 September 2009 13:54 To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com; ENG-LIVERPOOL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] genuki I don't think it's you. I've just tried and am also unable to connect. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rachel Rick" <rachel.rick@btinternet.com> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com>; <ENG-LIVERPOOL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 10:37 AM Subject: [ENG-LIV] genuki > > Anyone else having difficulty with Genuki? Can't connect at all > Might just be me - help! > Rachel > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message