Look towards Rochdale area. A chap by the name of Clegg, a motorbike enthusist died in a motorbike accident here in late 70 or early 80's. Nil else known, just a faint memory. Well reported in the Rochdsle observer newspaper. Try  touchstones touchstones@rochdale.gov.uk   Sorry not to be more help Anne --- On Fri, 11/9/09, Ann & Murray <ann-murray.e@xtra.co.nz> wrote: From: Ann & Murray <ann-murray.e@xtra.co.nz> Subject: [ENG-LIV] Surname: CLEGG To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, 11 September, 2009, 5:17 AM Hi - a friend has asked us to help him with some research.  He is planning on going to England next year and would like to meet his relations.  He left England about 1973 and came out here to New Zealand.   He knew his cousins on his mother's side of the family but not on his father's.   His father was Lawrence CLEGG (Born 16 Jan 1916 Toxteth Park) married to Margaret Olive McQUEEN (Born 22 Nov 1921).  Lawrence has 2 sisters, Agnes (think she went to USA), Lilian, and four brothers, Charles, Tom, Arthur and William. The only other information I have is that Tom died and he had one son Douglas who died on an accident on his motorbike. If anyone knows of this family we would love to hear from you. Ann Ann & Murray Inglewood 4330 Taranaki New Zealand ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com  ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Morning all, This morning's visit to the OPC website found the following databases had been uploaded onto the site: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 10 September 2009 Marriages 1873 to 1895 from the Church of St Cuthbert in the Parish of Lytham The beginning of the Register for 1873 to 1900 Burials 1813 to 1815 from St John in the Parish of Preston Baptisms 1821 to 1828 from St Mary the Virgin in the Parish of Prestwich This Register has been updated to include some pages missing from the original film Marriages 1754 to 1811 from the Parish of Rivington Marriages 1832 to 1834 from St Chad in the Town of Rochdale Baptisms 1788 to 1791 and 1806 to 1837 from the Church of St Paul, Royton Burials 1806 to 1812 from the Church of St Paul, Royton Baptisms 1813 to 1865 from St Stephen, Salford Burials 1817 to 1818 from the New Jerusalem Temple, Salford A continuation of the register for Burials 1813 to 1818 Baptisms 1719 to 1838 from the Parish of Tarleton These Registers have been updated 9 September 2009 Marriages for 1773 to 1810 from the Church of St Paul, Liverpool Burials 1795 to 1804 from the Church of St Peter, Liverpool Burials 1813 to 1844 from the Church of St Thomas, Liverpool MIs from the Parish of Lumb Regards, Sally

Wondering if SKS has access to an old Liverpool newspaper to see if there is any obituary or notice of the deaths of either Hugh McDonald (or Mac) who died Dec.22, 1875 or Mary, his wife who died Mar.9th, 1881. Regards, Sandra _________________________________________________________________ Click less, chat more: Messenger on MSN.ca http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677404

A Dr O'DONOGHUE had an address in Great Mersey Street, Liverpool in the 1930s and in Boundary Street, Liverpool in the 1940s. Does anyone know of him or his family? David

Carolyn, I now see the Mary you are talking about in 1851. Because you didn't mention where she was in 1851 in your original message I latched onto another person, who was born Bebington, The only problem remaining though, is if in 1851 she says born Liverpool, then why on the 1841 census does she say she was not born in county? I am assuming that it is her (aged 40) living with husband John IVESTER (35, Sailmaker) and 4 children, plus an Esther IVESTER (72) who could be John's mother I suppose. I only point this out so that you don't limit your searches to just Lancashire if, in fact, it turns out that the 1841 census is more accurate about her birthplace than the 1851 appears to be. Duncan, Dundee

Ogdens was in Boundary Lane off West Derby Road - it closed a few years ago. There was a Brewery in Toxteth and a lot of men were employed on the docks - could you be looking for a Tobacco Warehouse rather than a manufacturer? Regards, Dot Dorothy Holden Dover Kent England There are three things that can never be retrieved- the spoken word, time past and the neglected opportunity I volunteer for the Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness website www.raogk.org

Carolyn, Your message requesting help with finding the above person's baptism did perhaps leave a few things unsaid. Like the fact that although she married a John Isbister / IVESTER c 1827 and lived in Liverpool, according to the 1851 census (if I have correctly found her living in the West Derby Union Workhouse, aged 49 & widowed) she was born in Bebington, Cheshire. You also said that she died in June 1858 yet I could only see reference to a death of a Mary IVESTER in Sep 1858 Liverpool. Given her likely birthplace, would it perhaps be a good idea to contact the Cheshire list and the Cheshire Record Office? Perhaps you will be lucky enough to find both a baptism and a marriage at St Andrew's Bebington or around that area. Duncan, Dundee

First, You are right about Mary being the wife of John Ivester, aka isbister aka Isbester.. I did look at the Cheshire records and did find a Mary Yeardsley born in 1802 - also a marriage record for her to a John Price.. different John! Incidentally, I found that her son George, my gg grand father, did marry a Cheshire girl on the Bedington records site! (His second wife after my gggrandmother died) I have narrowed my search to Liverpool and you have shown me that it pays to to look further. Thanks for your help. i wish I could find her parents though! Carolyn At 03:39 PM 9/10/2009, you wrote: >Carolyn, > > I now see the Mary you are talking about in 1851. Because you > didn't mention where she was in 1851 in your original message I > latched onto another person, who was born Bebington, > >The only problem remaining though, is if in 1851 she says born >Liverpool, then why on the 1841 census does she say she was not born >in county? I am assuming that it is her (aged 40) living with >husband John IVESTER (35, Sailmaker) and 4 children, plus an Esther >IVESTER (72) who could be John's mother I suppose. > >I only point this out so that you don't limit your searches to just >Lancashire if, in fact, it turns out that the 1841 census is more >accurate about her birthplace than the 1851 appears to be. > >Duncan, Dundee >~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > >Admin Message - List guidelines: >http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > >The list admin can be contacted at >Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Duncan, I just looked at the 1851 census for England (ancestry.com)) and found Mary Ivester born in Liverpool.. Where did you see a record of her birth in Cheshire? Thank you, Carolyn At 12:23 PM 9/10/2009, you wrote: >Carolyn, > >Your message requesting help with finding the above person's baptism >did perhaps leave a few things unsaid. > >Like the fact that although she married a John Isbister / IVESTER c >1827 and lived in Liverpool, according to the 1851 census (if I have >correctly found her living in the West Derby Union Workhouse, aged >49 & widowed) she was born in Bebington, Cheshire. > >You also said that she died in June 1858 yet I could only see >reference to a death of a Mary IVESTER in Sep 1858 Liverpool. > >Given her likely birthplace, would it perhaps be a good idea to >contact the Cheshire list and the Cheshire Record Office? Perhaps >you will be lucky enough to find both a baptism and a marriage at St >Andrew's Bebington or around that area. > >Duncan, Dundee >~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > >Admin Message - List guidelines: >http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > >The list admin can be contacted at >Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Duncan, thank you for taking an interest in Mary Yeardsley Ivester, my ggg. grandmother. I am holding her death certificate in my hand that states that she died on 19 June 1858; however, the death was recorded on 1 July 1858, which may account for it appearing in the Sept. Quarter. As to her birth place. this was new to me - Shame on me!! I had relied upon the 1841 census inforamtion for my "facts." I will certainly look into the records of Cheshire! Thank you so much.. Carolyn At 12:23 PM 9/10/2009, you wrote: >Carolyn, > >Your message requesting help with finding the above person's baptism >did perhaps leave a few things unsaid. > >Like the fact that although she married a John Isbister / IVESTER c >1827 and lived in Liverpool, according to the 1851 census (if I have >correctly found her living in the West Derby Union Workhouse, aged >49 & widowed) she was born in Bebington, Cheshire. > >You also said that she died in June 1858 yet I could only see >reference to a death of a Mary IVESTER in Sep 1858 Liverpool. > >Given her likely birthplace, would it perhaps be a good idea to >contact the Cheshire list and the Cheshire Record Office? Perhaps >you will be lucky enough to find both a baptism and a marriage at St >Andrew's Bebington or around that area. > >Duncan, Dundee >~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > >Admin Message - List guidelines: >http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > >The list admin can be contacted at >Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone know any further information on the following BRIERLEY family from Liverpool: Thomas BRIERLEY born ?? married Esther Edwards 28 Dec 1812 Neston. Thomas died 16 June 1819, he was a Master Mariner. In his will there is a Joseph BRIERLEY, master mariner mentioned (who might have died in 1823). Possible Christening found on the IGI: Thomas BRIERLEY born 10 Oct 1788, Christened 2 Nov 1788 St Peter Liverpool. Parents James BRIERLEY & Elizabeth. Fathers occupation Shipwright. Possible siblings found on the IGI: John 1782 and William 1786 (can't find a Joseph). In 1819 Thomas lived in Hill St Liverpool. George BRIERLEY (son of Thomas & Esther) born 1817 Liverpool, Christened 14 May 1817 at St Peters Church St Liverpool. Address: Dennison St. Any help would be appreciated Thank you Claire

Carolyn, There is no such thing as a "British" accent :-) My husband and I come from opposite ends of England, but both would pronounce the "H" in Homer. Whether or not the "H" is pronounced is very much a regional thing, and perhaps even educational. I can remember my mother getting very cross with my brothers when they dropped the "H" in imitation of their peers at school in Wigan. But I think it is true to say that it might have been dropped in parts of Lancashire and Yorkshire. Regards, Cecilia Bell in Essex UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Parker" <ca.parker@comcast.net> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Homer Appleton? Hi Judith, I just found a "Mary" and a "Halsey" children of Omer Appleton, all born around the same time as Esther... If you say "Homer" with a British accent would it sound like "Omer?" I wish we could use the 'search' feature on the Lanc -OPR site! Carolyn At 09:16 PM 9/8/2009, you wrote: > Hello Carolyn, > > There is a legend in our Appleton family that a > young girl escaped from a convent in Europe to marry an Appleton > mariner.It isn't Johanna (Mother)as she was born in > Liverpool.Probably isn't Ellen Vearing (Grandmother)although I > havn't found her birth the Vearing families are mostly from Poulton > Le Flyde near Liverpool.Perhaps it was Homer's wife??Then again > some legends are just not true.The Appleton families were generally > connected to the sea,mariners & ship builders.I found a baptism for > William Appleton (?4 x g grandfather)1766 @ St Peters,father > Homer.Still searching,Judith > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get Hotmail on your iPhone Find out how here >http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=845706 >~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > >Admin Message - List guidelines: >http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > >The list admin can be contacted at >Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good Morning Carolyn, I traced Omer Appleton through the "IGI Batch Number"this is a great site if you know the church they were baptised in you can track whole families.http;//freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/ Found a Batholomew Appleton married Elizabeth Cooper had a son Homer bpt.24Feb.1799 St.Nicholas,Liverpool plus 5 other children.The only birth I found for a Bartholomew ,father Homer,mother Ellinor was bpt.8Mar.1761 St.Chad,Shrewsbury,Shropshire. Do you think this Homer and Ellen Mainwaring could be our's?Who did Esther marry?Regards,Judith _________________________________________________________________ Take a peek at other people's pay and perks Check out The Great Australian Pay Check http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/

I am trying to help an acquaintance with a fairly contemporary problem with her family history. Any information would be most appreciated. Olga Noreen Ross was born 2 Oct 1922 at Wilson Grove Garston Her mother was Nora Kathleen Ross nee Corlett. Nora died in 1924 and her husband William re married Ann Fletcher In 1929. A half sister who has just discovered Olga is most anxious to find out Olga's life story and make contact , if feasible. Can anyone assist ? Thank you, Dave

Ogden's was in West Derby Road, Liverpool 6 - my Dad worked there. I use to go to the Christmas Parties - in the 'Pipe Line Club' in the 50's it was a very big building that covered many streets - there officers where in Richmond Row. There was another tobacco company the British American 'BA' that was in Commercial Road, Kirkdale Liverpool 5 - Ogdens is the oldest. hope this helps. Audrey O'Keefe ----- Original Message ----- From: "joe scouse" <joenmoe@westnet.com.au> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Toxteth Cigarette Factories > HI JOHN I think it was Ogden's Tobacco factory on the corner of Grafton st > and Frederick st toxteth Liverpool 8, Joe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Lloyd" <j_m_c.lloyd@virgin.net> > To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:55 PM > Subject: [ENG-LIV] Toxteth Cigarette Factories > > >> Does any list-member know if there was a cigarette factory, or factories, >> in the Toxteth area at the time of the 1911 Census? >> >> If so, what were their names and locations please? >> >> John >> >> > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4408 (20090908) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi list, I just found from a birth certificate that my ggg grandmother was Mary Yeardsley, born about 1801, from 1841 census, in Liverpool. Have her death date as well. June, 1858. No parents or marriage cert. She married John Isbester/Isbister/Ivester around 1827.(First child : Geroge Isbister Ivester born Aug. 1827) Her parents? Marriage record? Have been unsuccessful in locating a marriage record; Any suggestions or help would be appreciated. Thank you, Carolyn

Hi - thanks for your input. It is true here as well in the US where one frequently hears "umid" for "humid" I wonder about Liverpool in the late 1700's? If I can make a case for this pronounciation of "Omer" for "Homer" I can identify several ancestors!! Carolyn At 04:43 AM 9/10/2009, you wrote: >Carolyn, >There is no such thing as a "British" accent :-) >My husband and I come from opposite ends of England, but both would >pronounce the "H" in Homer. >Whether or not the "H" is pronounced is very much a regional thing, and >perhaps even educational. I can remember my mother getting very cross with >my brothers when they dropped the "H" in imitation of their peers at school >in Wigan. But I think it is true to say that it might have been dropped in >parts of Lancashire and Yorkshire. > >Regards, >Cecilia Bell in Essex UK > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Carolyn Parker" <ca.parker@comcast.net> >To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 10:15 PM >Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Homer Appleton? > > >Hi Judith, I just found a "Mary" and a "Halsey" children of Omer >Appleton, all born around the same time as Esther... If you say >"Homer" with a British accent would it sound like "Omer?" I wish we >could use the 'search' feature on the Lanc -OPR site! Carolyn > >At 09:16 PM 9/8/2009, you wrote: > > > > Hello Carolyn, > > > > There is a legend in our Appleton family that a > > young girl escaped from a convent in Europe to marry an Appleton > > mariner.It isn't Johanna (Mother)as she was born in > > Liverpool.Probably isn't Ellen Vearing (Grandmother)although I > > havn't found her birth the Vearing families are mostly from Poulton > > Le Flyde near Liverpool.Perhaps it was Homer's wife??Then again > > some legends are just not true.The Appleton families were generally > > connected to the sea,mariners & ship builders.I found a baptism for > > William Appleton (?4 x g grandfather)1766 @ St Peters,father > > Homer.Still searching,Judith > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get Hotmail on your iPhone Find out how here > >http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=845706 > >~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > > >Admin Message - List guidelines: > >http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > > >The list admin can be contacted at > >Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > >Admin Message - List guidelines: >http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > >The list admin can be contacted at >Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > >Admin Message - List guidelines: >http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > >The list admin can be contacted at >Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List, As an old/new member ( I used to subscribe a few years ago, and recently picked up my research bug and am on the trail again.) I have a question that I would like to ask you, is it possible that there might be "church" or "local city charity" organizations that have lists from the early 1900's that would list families who needed help? Also would these lists be available to the public? My reason for asking is that my Gt Grandparents John LANGFORD and Mary Jane BURNS (they were never married) and their two children James Langford b.1898 and Maryjane Langford b.1899 and Susannah Langford b.1902, cannot be found on the 1911 census, also, going back to the 1901 census, John and Mary Jane and 2 oldest children cannot be found on the 1901 census either. I have found through family stories etc, that they did not have much, if this is so, I would have found them living in the workhouse, which they were'nt, it is quite a mystery. Has anyone on this list ever had a similar situation, and if so how did you handle it? Sorry to make my first letter to the list a puzzler, but I thought someone might have an idea of how to tackle this puzzle, any advice would be helpful. Thanks for reading such a long and wordy letter Sue Button Ont. Canada

HI JOHN I think it was Ogden's Tobacco factory on the corner of Grafton st and Frederick st toxteth Liverpool 8, Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Lloyd" <j_m_c.lloyd@virgin.net> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:55 PM Subject: [ENG-LIV] Toxteth Cigarette Factories > Does any list-member know if there was a cigarette factory, or factories, > in the Toxteth area at the time of the 1911 Census? > > If so, what were their names and locations please? > > John > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4408 (20090908) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Hi Judith, I just found a "Mary" and a "Halsey" children of Omer Appleton, all born around the same time as Esther... If you say "Homer" with a British accent would it sound like "Omer?" I wish we could use the 'search' feature on the Lanc -OPR site! Carolyn At 09:16 PM 9/8/2009, you wrote: > Hello Carolyn, > > There is a legend in our Appleton family that a > young girl escaped from a convent in Europe to marry an Appleton > mariner.It isn't Johanna (Mother)as she was born in > Liverpool.Probably isn't Ellen Vearing (Grandmother)although I > havn't found her birth the Vearing families are mostly from Poulton > Le Flyde near Liverpool.Perhaps it was Homer's wife??Then again > some legends are just not true.The Appleton families were generally > connected to the sea,mariners & ship builders.I found a baptism for > William Appleton (?4 x g grandfather)1766 @ St Peters,father > Homer.Still searching,Judith > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get Hotmail on your iPhone Find out how here >http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=845706 >~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > >Admin Message - List guidelines: >http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > >The list admin can be contacted at >Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message