Hello Madeline, You can order certificates without the reference number but it is more expensive. I think it is £11.00 without a reference. His Christening is on the Lan opc website (www.lan-opc.org.uk): Baptism: 21 Apr 1844 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Walter Gefford Hilton - Child of James Hilton & Catherine Born: 13 Nov 1842 Abode: Pleasant St Occupation: Cabinet Maker Baptised by: J G Headlam, Curate Register: Baptisms 1843 - 1844, Page 161, Entry 1286 Source: LDS Film 93884 Baptism: 3 Feb 1846 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Catherine Kidd Hilton - Child of James Hilton & Catherine Born: 29 Mar 1845 Abode: Pleasant St Occupation: Cabinet Maker Baptised by: H H Higgins Curate Register: Baptisms 1846 - 1847, Page 17, Entry 131 Source: LDS Film 93885 Baptism: 14 Oct 1847 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England James Gifford Hilton - Child of James Hilton & Catherine Abode: Gt Newton St Occupation: Cabinet Maker Baptised by: A. J. Tomlin Curate Register: Baptisms 1847 - 1848, Page 157, Entry 1251 Source: LDS Film 93885 Marriage: 17 Jun 1836 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England James Hilton - Cabinet Maker of This Parish Catherine Kidd - Spinster of This Parish Witness: James Hibbs; Ann Agnes Graham Married by Licence by: Montague Hawtrey Curate Register: Marriages 1834 - 1836, Page 371, Entry 1112 Source: LDS Film 94018 Regards Claire ----- Original Message ----- From: "Madeline V." <jjkat@sbcglobal.net> To: <ENG-LIVERPOOL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:06 AM Subject: [ENG-LIV] HILTON 1842/44 > Hello listers. > > My first posting, I would appreciate help to find a birth reg. for Walter > Gifford HILTON, b. abt 1843, on census. On the IGI there is WGH parents > James and Catherine HILTON, birth 13 Nov 1842, Christened 21 April 1844, > Saint Peter, Liverpool. I believe he is "mine" but the only ref. I > found on Free BMD and Ancestry is unreadable/incomplete. It reads: > > Walter Gifford HILTON, reg. 1842. 0ct/nov/dec. District Liverpool > (1837-1934), Lancashire. Vol. 20, PAGE 1-- Of course, GRO could not > issue any copy upon request. I am trying to confirm the IGI entry. > Perchance, does anyone have access to Saint Peter's records, or might > find an index reference ? I will order the LDS film 0093884, if > necessary, but it takes 5-6 weeks to get them ........ > > Thanks so much for any help or suggestions. > > Madeline in California > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello William., You brought up a good point about the actors (comedians) back then. I suppose they could get away with having just the one act for quite some time couldn't they ? I was hoping by writing this query that maybe someone would come up with a write up from a old newspaper about Arthur Daniel Ewing or his son Arthur Edward Ewing. That would be very exciting. Thanks so much William I really appreciate your input on this. Have a great day. Margie bmpage@sympatico.ca

Thanks so much Shirley I only had part of what you had sent me about Daniel Ewing.. so I do thank you for sending it along.. Your help is much appreciated. Have a great day. Margie bmpage@sympatico.ca

Comedian can be just another word for actor. So if you find a match for Arthur and it's not in the joke-telling business, don't rule it out. Judy Olsen On 18 Oct 2009, at 19:33, Margie Page wrote: > Hello all, > I just found out that I have a comedian plus an actor in my family > tree. Now I'm wondering how famous they really were back in their > day ! > > Arthur Daniel Ewing : Music Hall Artist (Comedian) Born in Q1 1869 > in Birkenhead. Lived in Everton, appeared on the 1911 census in > Chorlton Manchester. Son of John Ewing & Margaret Jump. > Arthur married Mary Ann Kelso in 1891 in St. Augustine. > > Also.. Arthur Edward Ewing. the actor born in Liverpool 1893 ...Son > of Arthur Daniel Ewing & Mary Ann Kelso. > Any help would be much appreciated. > > Regards > Margie bmpage@sympatico.ca > > Sorry I sent my first query to the wrong rootsweb address.. > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hello listers. My first posting, I would appreciate help to find a birth reg. for Walter Gifford HILTON, b. abt 1843, on census. On the IGI there is WGH parents James and Catherine HILTON, birth 13 Nov 1842, Christened 21 April 1844, Saint Peter, Liverpool. I believe he is "mine" but the only ref. I found on Free BMD and Ancestry is unreadable/incomplete. It reads: Walter Gifford HILTON, reg. 1842. 0ct/nov/dec. District Liverpool (1837-1934), Lancashire. Vol. 20, PAGE 1-- Of course, GRO could not issue any copy upon request. I am trying to confirm the IGI entry. Perchance, does anyone have access to Saint Peter's records, or might find an index reference ? I will order the LDS film 0093884, if necessary, but it takes 5-6 weeks to get them ........ Thanks so much for any help or suggestions. Madeline in California

Do you have this from the OPC website? Shirley USA Marriage: 25 Dec 1891 St Augustine, Everton, Lancashire, England Arthur Daniel Ewing - 22 Variety Artist Batchelor of 29 Aber St Mary Ann Kelso - 20 Spinster of 24 Westbourne St Groom's Father: John Ewing, Gasfitter (deceased) Bride's Father: Christopher Kelso, Butcher (deceased) Witness: George Edward Ewing; Elizabeth Clara Ewing Married by Banns by: Robert Whitehead Register: Marriage 1887 - 1896, Page 124, Entry 247 Source: LDS Film 1656014 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margie Page" <bmpage@sympatico.ca> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 2:33 PM Subject: [ENG-LIV] One comedian & One actor > Hello all, > I just found out that I have a comedian plus an actor in my family tree. > Now I'm wondering how famous they really were back in their day ! > > Arthur Daniel Ewing : Music Hall Artist (Comedian) Born in Q1 1869 in > Birkenhead. Lived in Everton, appeared on the 1911 census in Chorlton > Manchester. Son of John Ewing & Margaret Jump. > Arthur married Mary Ann Kelso in 1891 in St. Augustine. > > Also.. Arthur Edward Ewing. the actor born in Liverpool 1893 ...Son of > Arthur Daniel Ewing & Mary Ann Kelso. > Any help would be much appreciated. > > Regards > Margie bmpage@sympatico.ca > > Sorry I sent my first query to the wrong rootsweb address.. > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Carolyn, Would you be so kind as to let us know about your trip to Utah and any results that you get. Many thanks and Good Luck Dave D. Canada

Hello Judy Olson Thanks for the good advise .. Appreciate your help. Regards Margie bmpage@sympatico.ca

Hi Joan, I'll be sure to take your email with me! Thanks!! Carolyn At 10:14 AM 10/19/2009, you wrote: >Carolyn, > >As you may know go to the bottom floor, 2nd basement, in Salt >Lake. :-) There are two red headed ladies that are VERY GOOD and >helpful at the desk. One has a short haircut and the other is quite >young with very long hair. I was there in August for Liverpool research. >Also one of the volunteers Fern Hennessy is very sweet, if you run >into her be sure and say "hi" for me. Joan > > >On Oct 19, 2009, at 9:40 AM, Carolyn Parker wrote: > > > David, thanks for your advice. I guess like others, I have gotten > > lazy! need to do more than sit here at my PC!! I am going to Salt > > Lake City in January and will make use of the films there - Carolyn > > I'm a member of NEHGS as well! > > > > At 09:03 PM 10/17/2009, you wrote: > >> Carolyn, > >> > >> I note that your list of "all resources" only lists internet > >> resources. There are stacks and stacks of Church records available > >> for Liverpool which are on microfilm. They can be found on the LDS > >> catalogue at: > >> > >> > http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=topicdetails&subject=349498&subject_disp=England%2C+Lancashire%2C+Liverpool+%2D+Church+records&columns=*,0,0 > >> > >> The vast majority of these have not been indexed, let alone > >> digitised, including the Presbyterian Church records for Liverpool, > >> which is where I'd first look for anyone with the Isbister/Isvester > >> surname. Have you looked at these microfilms? Trawling through > >> theses microfilm copies of old records is what any family historian > >> had to do before we started getting spoiled by PCs in our home and > >> now by digital copies of old records on the Internet. How many have > >> you searched? (If the LDS hadn't microfilmed these records in the > >> past, there wouldn't be an IGI!) > >> > >> I note that you live in Boston. The LDS have a library in Boston, > >> into which you can order microfilms to read. Do you make effective > >> use of it? If not, then you have not exhausted all resources by a > >> very long shot. I should add that the IGI is only an index and > >> should be followed up by viewing the microfilm of the original > >> record. > >> > >> Boston Massachusetts > >> 150 Brown St > >> Weston, Middlesex, Massachusetts, United States > >> Phone: 781-235-2164 > >> Hours: Wednesdays 7pm-9pm; Fridays and Saturdays 9am-3pm > >> > >> For those of you living elsewhere around the world, the LDS home > >> page < www.familysearch.org > has a search field labelled "Find a > >> Library near you" (you may need to page down). > >> > >> The Boston Public Library has "a very comprehensive collection of > >> histories of the British Isles" (Genealogist's Handbook for New > >> England Research (1985 ISBN 0-88082-011-X). Have you checked out > >> these resources? Remember, "New England" got its name for a reason. > >> > >> Then there is the "New England Historic Genealogical Society", 101 > >> Newbury St, Boston. This was founded in 1845 and is claimed to be > >> the oldest genealogical society in the world. Have you checked out > >> their resources? (I know they purchased materials such as > >> microfiche transcripts and indexes of 19th century Orkney census > >> records in the mid-1990s.) > >> > >> And what does the Harvard University library across the Charles > >> River in Cambridge hold? Harvard is more than just a business > >> school. > >> > >> I am not a member of the LDS Church, but I have worked as a > >> volunteer in my local LDS library since 1991. One of things I tell > >> new people is that to be successful in their research, they need to > >> be related to two people: Patience and her husband Percy Vere. > >> > >> Happy Hunting > >> > >> David Armstrong > >> Maylands, > >> Western Australia > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Carolyn Parker > >> To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com > >> Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 11:22 PM > >> Subject: [ENG-LIV] when all else fails? > >> > >> > >> Hi List, I am really stuck! What do you do when you feel you have > >> exhausted all resources, i.e. IGI, Lanc OPR, findmypast, and > >> ancestry.com? These are the databases that I have access to. I am > >> searching for vital records before 1786 in Liverpool. Families: > >> Isbister/Ivester, McCrum and Appleton. Any suggestions most > >> appreciated. Carolyn in Boston, MA > >> > >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > >> > >> Admin Message - List guidelines: > >> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > >> > >> The list admin can be contacted at > >> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > > > The list admin can be contacted at > > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > >~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > >Admin Message - List guidelines: >http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > >The list admin can be contacted at >Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In an old Kelly's directory for the street in which I grew up the early 1900s listed such professions as acrobats and others associated with the music halls. If you think about it, an "artiste" could start at one end of the country and over a period of years slowly work his way around a whole slew of music halls using the same act night after night. By the time he got back to square one everyone there had forgotten his act. Not like today with one show on TV and half the world has seen it! Bill in Nanaimo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margie Page" <bmpage@sympatico.ca> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 11:33 AM Subject: [ENG-LIV] One comedian & One actor > Hello all, > I just found out that I have a comedian plus an actor in my family tree. > Now I'm wondering how famous they really were back in their day ! > > Arthur Daniel Ewing : Music Hall Artist (Comedian) Born in Q1 1869 in > Birkenhead. Lived in Everton, appeared on the 1911 census in Chorlton > Manchester. Son of John Ewing & Margaret Jump. > Arthur married Mary Ann Kelso in 1891 in St. Augustine. > > Also.. Arthur Edward Ewing. the actor born in Liverpool 1893 ...Son of > Arthur Daniel Ewing & Mary Ann Kelso. > Any help would be much appreciated. > > Regards > Margie bmpage@sympatico.ca > > Sorry I sent my first query to the wrong rootsweb address.. > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carolyn, As you may know go to the bottom floor, 2nd basement, in Salt Lake. :-) There are two red headed ladies that are VERY GOOD and helpful at the desk. One has a short haircut and the other is quite young with very long hair. I was there in August for Liverpool research. Also one of the volunteers Fern Hennessy is very sweet, if you run into her be sure and say "hi" for me. Joan On Oct 19, 2009, at 9:40 AM, Carolyn Parker wrote: > David, thanks for your advice. I guess like others, I have gotten > lazy! need to do more than sit here at my PC!! I am going to Salt > Lake City in January and will make use of the films there - Carolyn > I'm a member of NEHGS as well! > > At 09:03 PM 10/17/2009, you wrote: >> Carolyn, >> >> I note that your list of "all resources" only lists internet >> resources. There are stacks and stacks of Church records available >> for Liverpool which are on microfilm. They can be found on the LDS >> catalogue at: >> >> http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=topicdetails&subject=349498&subject_disp=England%2C+Lancashire%2C+Liverpool+%2D+Church+records&columns=*,0,0 >> >> The vast majority of these have not been indexed, let alone >> digitised, including the Presbyterian Church records for Liverpool, >> which is where I'd first look for anyone with the Isbister/Isvester >> surname. Have you looked at these microfilms? Trawling through >> theses microfilm copies of old records is what any family historian >> had to do before we started getting spoiled by PCs in our home and >> now by digital copies of old records on the Internet. How many have >> you searched? (If the LDS hadn't microfilmed these records in the >> past, there wouldn't be an IGI!) >> >> I note that you live in Boston. The LDS have a library in Boston, >> into which you can order microfilms to read. Do you make effective >> use of it? If not, then you have not exhausted all resources by a >> very long shot. I should add that the IGI is only an index and >> should be followed up by viewing the microfilm of the original >> record. >> >> Boston Massachusetts >> 150 Brown St >> Weston, Middlesex, Massachusetts, United States >> Phone: 781-235-2164 >> Hours: Wednesdays 7pm-9pm; Fridays and Saturdays 9am-3pm >> >> For those of you living elsewhere around the world, the LDS home >> page < www.familysearch.org > has a search field labelled "Find a >> Library near you" (you may need to page down). >> >> The Boston Public Library has "a very comprehensive collection of >> histories of the British Isles" (Genealogist's Handbook for New >> England Research (1985 ISBN 0-88082-011-X). Have you checked out >> these resources? Remember, "New England" got its name for a reason. >> >> Then there is the "New England Historic Genealogical Society", 101 >> Newbury St, Boston. This was founded in 1845 and is claimed to be >> the oldest genealogical society in the world. Have you checked out >> their resources? (I know they purchased materials such as >> microfiche transcripts and indexes of 19th century Orkney census >> records in the mid-1990s.) >> >> And what does the Harvard University library across the Charles >> River in Cambridge hold? Harvard is more than just a business >> school. >> >> I am not a member of the LDS Church, but I have worked as a >> volunteer in my local LDS library since 1991. One of things I tell >> new people is that to be successful in their research, they need to >> be related to two people: Patience and her husband Percy Vere. >> >> Happy Hunting >> >> David Armstrong >> Maylands, >> Western Australia >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Carolyn Parker >> To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 11:22 PM >> Subject: [ENG-LIV] when all else fails? >> >> >> Hi List, I am really stuck! What do you do when you feel you have >> exhausted all resources, i.e. IGI, Lanc OPR, findmypast, and >> ancestry.com? These are the databases that I have access to. I am >> searching for vital records before 1786 in Liverpool. Families: >> Isbister/Ivester, McCrum and Appleton. Any suggestions most >> appreciated. Carolyn in Boston, MA >> >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> >> Admin Message - List guidelines: >> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >> >> The list admin can be contacted at >> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hi - thanks fo ryour suggestion.. I'll give it a try as well. Carolyn At 12:15 PM 10/17/2009, you wrote: >Carolyn, I'm in the same position as you, unable to progress any further >with my paternal family beyond a 1793 wedding located in a Liverpool parish >register and containing no vital details such as parents names. > I inquired at the Lancashire records office re. a wedding licence and was >told that as a rule the licence would be given to the bride or groom and as >such would not be archived at their location > I am trying a new track and have applied to Cheshire record office for any >sign of a Marriage allegation or Bond between my ggg grand parents. > Any Lancashire Bonds made south of the River Ribble seem to have been >archived in the Cheshire office, this boundary would include Liverpool in >its catchment area. I am holding my breath waiting for an answer. >Good Luck Carolyn > > <recordoffice@cheshire.gov.uk> > > >Dave D. > > > Hi List, I am really stuck! What do you do when you feel you have > > exhausted all resources, i.e. IGI, Lanc OPR, findmypast, and > > ancestry.com? These are the databases that I have access to. I am > > searching for vital records before 1786 in Liverpool. Families: > > Isbister/Ivester, McCrum and Appleton. Any suggestions most > > appreciated. Carolyn in Boston, MA > > > > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > > > The list admin can be contacted at > > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > >Admin Message - List guidelines: >http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > >The list admin can be contacted at >Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

David, thanks for your advice. I guess like others, I have gotten lazy! need to do more than sit here at my PC!! I am going to Salt Lake City in January and will make use of the films there - Carolyn I'm a member of NEHGS as well! At 09:03 PM 10/17/2009, you wrote: >Carolyn, > >I note that your list of "all resources" only lists internet >resources. There are stacks and stacks of Church records available >for Liverpool which are on microfilm. They can be found on the LDS >catalogue at: > >http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=topicdetails&subject=349498&subject_disp=England%2C+Lancashire%2C+Liverpool+%2D+Church+records&columns=*,0,0 > >The vast majority of these have not been indexed, let alone >digitised, including the Presbyterian Church records for Liverpool, >which is where I'd first look for anyone with the Isbister/Isvester >surname. Have you looked at these microfilms? Trawling through >theses microfilm copies of old records is what any family historian >had to do before we started getting spoiled by PCs in our home and >now by digital copies of old records on the Internet. How many have >you searched? (If the LDS hadn't microfilmed these records in the >past, there wouldn't be an IGI!) > >I note that you live in Boston. The LDS have a library in Boston, >into which you can order microfilms to read. Do you make effective >use of it? If not, then you have not exhausted all resources by a >very long shot. I should add that the IGI is only an index and >should be followed up by viewing the microfilm of the original record. > >Boston Massachusetts >150 Brown St >Weston, Middlesex, Massachusetts, United States >Phone: 781-235-2164 >Hours: Wednesdays 7pm-9pm; Fridays and Saturdays 9am-3pm > >For those of you living elsewhere around the world, the LDS home >page < www.familysearch.org > has a search field labelled "Find a >Library near you" (you may need to page down). > >The Boston Public Library has "a very comprehensive collection of >histories of the British Isles" (Genealogist's Handbook for New >England Research (1985 ISBN 0-88082-011-X). Have you checked out >these resources? Remember, "New England" got its name for a reason. > >Then there is the "New England Historic Genealogical Society", 101 >Newbury St, Boston. This was founded in 1845 and is claimed to be >the oldest genealogical society in the world. Have you checked out >their resources? (I know they purchased materials such as >microfiche transcripts and indexes of 19th century Orkney census >records in the mid-1990s.) > >And what does the Harvard University library across the Charles >River in Cambridge hold? Harvard is more than just a business school. > >I am not a member of the LDS Church, but I have worked as a >volunteer in my local LDS library since 1991. One of things I tell >new people is that to be successful in their research, they need to >be related to two people: Patience and her husband Percy Vere. > >Happy Hunting > >David Armstrong >Maylands, >Western Australia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carolyn Parker > To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 11:22 PM > Subject: [ENG-LIV] when all else fails? > > > Hi List, I am really stuck! What do you do when you feel you have > exhausted all resources, i.e. IGI, Lanc OPR, findmypast, and > ancestry.com? These are the databases that I have access to. I am > searching for vital records before 1786 in Liverpool. Families: > Isbister/Ivester, McCrum and Appleton. Any suggestions most > appreciated. Carolyn in Boston, MA > >~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > >Admin Message - List guidelines: >http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > >The list admin can be contacted at >Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

David The family that you mention is not "mine", There were at least 3 Heath families in the area simultaneously but the one into which my father Frank was born originally came from Manchester around 1875. Father William [born 1850] married Mary Speakman [born 1850] from Manchester and they had 8 children., all can be seen in the 1901 Census living at 20 Peel Street. Mother Mary had died, leaving father William with Mabel, William A., Annie, Lucy Maud, Marjorie, Alfred & Frank. Terry Heath Cheltenham UK

Can anyone tell me which would be the nearest Church R.C or C.of E. circa 1962. Hilary.

Yes I saw the Brigadier. But to identify the regiment use the name of the Colonel. Judy On 18 Oct 2009, at 10:29, Sue Miller wrote: > > thank you Judy and Robert > > > > some very useful information from you both. > > > > William died in 1878 therefore I only have the 1861 and 1871 census > to go on. There is a possible Wm occ soldier and single in 1851 > but he says born Ireland not Chatham, Kent....may be worth pursuing. > > > > Judy, where is the enumeration description? I couldn't see it on > the 1861...just got to the 1st page which had the name of Brigadier > General jDavid Russel. > > > > best wishes > > Sue > >> From: copywriter@tesco.net >> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:28:21 +0100 >> To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Band master in 12th Foot? >> >> In fact the enumeration district description on ancestry confirms the >> regt was the 29th Foot. The officers names (earlier pages) could >> easily be cross checked to confirm this. >> >> havent looked at 1871 image but 12th L.a.r. might be 12th Lancers. >> Obviously that was not a foot regiment. >> >> Original poster did not say whether the person was found in other >> censuses. >> >> >> Judy Olsen >> >> >> >> >> >> On 17 Oct 2009, at 19:59, Robert Spargo wrote: >> >>> The 12th Foot was (I think!) the Suffolk Regiment. From 1782 to >>> 1881 it was >>> known as "12th (East Suffolk) Regiment of Foot". From 1860 to 1866 >>> the 1st >>> Battalion was in New Zealand but the 2nd Battalion was in England >>> (don't >>> know where) from 1858 until 1864 when they went to India and stayed >>> there >>> until 1877. The 1st Battalion was back in England from 1867 until >>> 1872 when >>> they went to Ireland. >>> >>> Your best point of contact might be via the Suffolk Regiment's >>> website >>> www.suffolkregiment.org - good luck >>> >>> Robert in Nantwich >>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Sue Miller" <suemiller48@hotmail.com> >>>> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 06:09 >>>> Subject: [ENG-LIV] Band master in 12th Foot? >>>> >>>> I am hoping someone with a military background can help me on this >>>> one. >>>> >>>> Wm McEVOY bc1830 was a soldier...on 1861 census he is a private >>>> and the >>>> record page just says Foot regiment 29 North Camp which is >>>> Farnborough >>>> Hants. >>>> >>>> In 1871 he is 42 and in Liverpool with family living at 28 Mason >>>> St, West >>>> Derby occ Band master 12th L.a.r? and some of his nighbours are >>>> military >>>> or pensioners. >>>> >>>> Can explain what regiment he was in 12th Foot or 29 and anything >>>> else that >>> >>>> will help? >>>> >>>> thank you - Sue >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >>> believed to be clean. >>> >>> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >>> >>> Admin Message - List guidelines: >>> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/ >>> AdminMessage.htm >>> >>> The list admin can be contacted at >>> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL- >>> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> >> Admin Message - List guidelines: >> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >> >> The list admin can be contacted at >> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG- >> LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Download Messenger onto your mobile for free > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/174426567/direct/01/ > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

If you're on ancestry there's a kind of information pathway shown above the image and when you click on the bit that says 'Foot regiment 29 North Camp' or whatever it gives you a menu including the enumeration description. This info was always available in the old ancestry paradigm but was harder to access. Judy On 18 Oct 2009, at 10:29, Sue Miller wrote: > > thank you Judy and Robert > > > > some very useful information from you both. > > > > William died in 1878 therefore I only have the 1861 and 1871 census > to go on. There is a possible Wm occ soldier and single in 1851 > but he says born Ireland not Chatham, Kent....may be worth pursuing. > > > > Judy, where is the enumeration description? I couldn't see it on > the 1861...just got to the 1st page which had the name of Brigadier > General jDavid Russel. > > > > best wishes > > Sue > >> From: copywriter@tesco.net >> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:28:21 +0100 >> To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Band master in 12th Foot? >> >> In fact the enumeration district description on ancestry confirms the >> regt was the 29th Foot. The officers names (earlier pages) could >> easily be cross checked to confirm this. >> >> havent looked at 1871 image but 12th L.a.r. might be 12th Lancers. >> Obviously that was not a foot regiment. >> >> Original poster did not say whether the person was found in other >> censuses. >> >> >> Judy Olsen >> >> >> >> >> >> On 17 Oct 2009, at 19:59, Robert Spargo wrote: >> >>> The 12th Foot was (I think!) the Suffolk Regiment. From 1782 to >>> 1881 it was >>> known as "12th (East Suffolk) Regiment of Foot". From 1860 to 1866 >>> the 1st >>> Battalion was in New Zealand but the 2nd Battalion was in England >>> (don't >>> know where) from 1858 until 1864 when they went to India and stayed >>> there >>> until 1877. The 1st Battalion was back in England from 1867 until >>> 1872 when >>> they went to Ireland. >>> >>> Your best point of contact might be via the Suffolk Regiment's >>> website >>> www.suffolkregiment.org - good luck >>> >>> Robert in Nantwich >>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Sue Miller" <suemiller48@hotmail.com> >>>> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 06:09 >>>> Subject: [ENG-LIV] Band master in 12th Foot? >>>> >>>> I am hoping someone with a military background can help me on this >>>> one. >>>> >>>> Wm McEVOY bc1830 was a soldier...on 1861 census he is a private >>>> and the >>>> record page just says Foot regiment 29 North Camp which is >>>> Farnborough >>>> Hants. >>>> >>>> In 1871 he is 42 and in Liverpool with family living at 28 Mason >>>> St, West >>>> Derby occ Band master 12th L.a.r? and some of his nighbours are >>>> military >>>> or pensioners. >>>> >>>> Can explain what regiment he was in 12th Foot or 29 and anything >>>> else that >>> >>>> will help? >>>> >>>> thank you - Sue >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >>> believed to be clean. >>> >>> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >>> >>> Admin Message - List guidelines: >>> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/ >>> AdminMessage.htm >>> >>> The list admin can be contacted at >>> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL- >>> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> >> Admin Message - List guidelines: >> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >> >> The list admin can be contacted at >> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG- >> LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Download Messenger onto your mobile for free > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/174426567/direct/01/ > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hello all, I just found out that I have a comedian plus an actor in my family tree. Now I'm wondering how famous they really were back in their day ! Arthur Daniel Ewing : Music Hall Artist (Comedian) Born in Q1 1869 in Birkenhead. Lived in Everton, appeared on the 1911 census in Chorlton Manchester. Son of John Ewing & Margaret Jump. Arthur married Mary Ann Kelso in 1891 in St. Augustine. Also.. Arthur Edward Ewing. the actor born in Liverpool 1893 ...Son of Arthur Daniel Ewing & Mary Ann Kelso. Any help would be much appreciated. Regards Margie bmpage@sympatico.ca Sorry I sent my first query to the wrong rootsweb address..

Carolyn, I assume you mean by IGI you really mean www.FamilySearch.org, which in addition to the IGI Files is their Ancestry Files, Pedigree Resource Files, and 1881 British census. There is now a new FamilySeach that contains some of the data on the LDS VRI-II CDs. The new website URL is pilot.FamilySearch.org. There is another, new.FamilySearch.org, that is only for members of the LDS church that contains family trees, and contains even more data. Otherwise give some details of who you are looking for and someone who has the VRI-II CDs will help you out. At 11:33 AM 10/17/2009, you wrote: >From: Carolyn Parker <ca.parker@comcast.net> >To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com >Subject: [ENG-LIV] when all else fails? > >Hi List, I am really stuck! What do you do when you feel you have >exhausted all resources, i.e. IGI, Lanc OPR, findmypast, and >ancestry.com? These are the databases that I have access to. I am >searching for vital records before 1786 in Liverpool. Families: >Isbister/Ivester, McCrum and Appleton. Any suggestions most >appreciated. Carolyn in Boston, MA ____________________________________________________________ Browse Top SCM Programs Earn your SCM degree from the leading schools, 100% online. Free info! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=xxWenE7a33hxCGKUSZvvcwAAJ1EA3mHdmINyBwKXdfdPx1X3AAQAAAAFAAAAABfZzj0AAANSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAkVBAAAAAA=

Ah, well that's different! The 29th Foot was (in 1861) "The 29th Worcestershire) Regiment of Foot", based in England 1859 to 1863 when it moved to Ireland. Merged with "36th (Herefordshire) Regiment of Foot" in 1881 to become "The Worcestershire Regiment" Don't know much about 12th Lancers other than it was 12th Dragoons (subsequently "12th Prince of Wales's Regiment of Light Dragoons" from 1768), but I can't help with any other info - probably lots available through Mr Google! Robert > -----Original Message----- > From: judy olsen [mailto:copywriter@tesco.net] > Sent: 17 October 2009 20:28 > To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Band master in 12th Foot? > > In fact the enumeration district description on ancestry confirms the > regt was the 29th Foot. The officers names (earlier pages) could > easily be cross checked to confirm this. > > havent looked at 1871 image but 12th L.a.r. might be 12th Lancers. > Obviously that was not a foot regiment. > > Original poster did not say whether the person was found in other > censuses. > > Judy Olsen > >On 17 Oct 2009, at 19:59, Robert Spargo wrote: > > The 12th Foot was (I think!) the Suffolk Regiment. From 1782 to > 1881 it was known as "12th (East Suffolk) Regiment of Foot". From 1860 to > 1866 the 1st Battalion was in New Zealand but the 2nd Battalion was in > England (don't know where) from 1858 until 1864 when they went to India > and stayed there until 1877. The 1st Battalion was back in England from > 1867 until 1872 when they went to Ireland. > > Your best point of contact might be via the Suffolk Regiment's website > www.suffolkregiment.org - good luck > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.