A big thank you to all who helped me You are a great list Emily

Sparling Street was near the entrance to Wapping Dock ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Candlish" <andycandlish@ozemail.com.au> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] !841 census > Hi Emily > > I think that it is Sparling Street. There is a Sparling Street in > Liverpool > today but it looks as if the area has been re-generated. You would need at > look at an old map to see exactly where it was in the 19th century. > > Andy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Emily" <emilyskelton1@gmail.com> > To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 1:56 PM > Subject: [ENG-LIV] !841 census > > >>I have just downloaded a census for Mary Cronin b 1821 b Ireland, but I >>cant >> read the street name. >> so I downloaded a printer friendly version, but it only gives St Thomas >> as >> the area? >> Can anyone on the list help me . >> >> On the bottom of the form it gives the following info: >> HO 107- piece 566- book18- parish L/Pool. district 33- folio 9- page 9. >> Thanks Emily >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

There is also a cemeteries lookup site which, if you are lucky may have people who may take a photo of grave locations. try this: http://www.coraweb.com.au/cemetaus.htm Glenda

Thanks to the sterling detective work of Genie, Vernon Williams and his wife did not emigrate but remained in the UK and had four children. Howver, my thanks again to all who sought to help me. John

Emily If you go to the Liverpool and SWL Family History site you can access street indexes for the 1841 and 1851 census. There are also enumeration district maps and other information. If you check you will see that Sparling Street does have the reference that you quoted below. http://www.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/Information/Information.htm Regards Jen --original message-- > *From:* "Emily" <emilyskelton1@gmail.com> > *To:* <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> > *Date:* Sun, 8 Nov 2009 12:56:41 +1000 > > I have just downloaded a census for Mary Cronin b 1821 b Ireland, but > I cant read the street name. > so I downloaded a printer friendly version, but it only gives St > Thomas as the area? > Can anyone on the list help me . > > On the bottom of the form it gives the following info: > HO 107- piece 566- book18- parish L/Pool. district 33- folio 9- page > 9. > Thanks Emily > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.54/2488 - Release Date: > 11/07/09 23:52:00 >

Hi Emily I think that it is Sparling Street. There is a Sparling Street in Liverpool today but it looks as if the area has been re-generated. You would need at look at an old map to see exactly where it was in the 19th century. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emily" <emilyskelton1@gmail.com> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 1:56 PM Subject: [ENG-LIV] !841 census >I have just downloaded a census for Mary Cronin b 1821 b Ireland, but I >cant > read the street name. > so I downloaded a printer friendly version, but it only gives St Thomas as > the area? > Can anyone on the list help me . > > On the bottom of the form it gives the following info: > HO 107- piece 566- book18- parish L/Pool. district 33- folio 9- page 9. > Thanks Emily > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >

I have just downloaded a census for Mary Cronin b 1821 b Ireland, but I cant read the street name. so I downloaded a printer friendly version, but it only gives St Thomas as the area? Can anyone on the list help me . On the bottom of the form it gives the following info: HO 107- piece 566- book18- parish L/Pool. district 33- folio 9- page 9. Thanks Emily

My thanks to all who have responded to my request and tried to help me. I shall work through the various suggestions. The information I am seeking relates to an ancestor with a Liverpool connection, namely Vernon Gibson Pascoe WILLIAMS, born in 1887. He is believed - by a reputable source - to have emigrated to Australia in 1922, or shortly after, with his wife, Marjorie Nicholls Elliott. John

Hi John, New South Wales has a their BDM's on line. Follow the link below and if you think you have found your ancestor you can purchase online with a credit card. It's really easy to use and free! Click on "search Historical Indexes" then "search now". They are A$28.00 at the moment. http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/familyHistory.htm Nancy NSW > Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 16:49:42 +0000 > From: j_m_c.lloyd@virgin.net > To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-LIV] Australian BMDs > > I would like to search online - if possible - for the death of a British > emigrant to Australia. > > Are the BMDs online? And do you have to do it state by state? > > Any advice/information most gratefully received > > John > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Download new and classic emoticon packs at Emoticon World Brought to you exclusively by Windows Live http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/emoticon.aspx?

http://www.btinternet.com/~jansfamily/people/p000003o.htm#I404 Elliott Vernon - United Kingdom - Email, Address, Phone number ... 1 Marjorie Nichols ELLIOTT = Vernon Gibson Pascoe WILLIAMS Marriage: 1920 2 Ian WILLIAMS 2 Ralph WILLIAMS 2 David WILLIAMS 2 Sheila WILLIAMS ... www.123people.co.uk/s/elliott+vernon - Similar http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=janwood&id=I405 Record Type Information found in record 1891 England Census Census & Voter Lists View Image Name: Vernon G P Williams Birth: abt 1887 - city, London, England Residence: 1891 - township, city, London, England England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 Birth, Marriage & Death View Image Name: Vernon Gibson P Williams Birth: Jun 1887 - Greenwich, Greater London, Kent, London Cheers Genie http://geniesgenealogyhelp.blogspot.com/ --- On Sun, 8/11/09, John Lloyd <j_m_c.lloyd@virgin.net> wrote: > From: John Lloyd <j_m_c.lloyd@virgin.net> > Subject: [ENG-LIV] Australian BMD > To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com > Date: Sunday, 8 November, 2009, 21:10 > My thanks to all who have responded > to my request and tried to help me. > I shall work through the various suggestions. > > The information I am seeking relates to an ancestor with a > Liverpool > connection, namely  Vernon Gibson Pascoe WILLIAMS, > born in 1887. He is > believed - by a reputable source - to have emigrated to > Australia in > 1922, or shortly after, with his wife, Marjorie Nicholls > Elliott. > > John > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com  > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Hi Emily It looks like Sparling Street. If you go back a few pages it becomes clearer. Vern in Ontario ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emily" <emilyskelton1@gmail.com> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 9:56 PM Subject: [ENG-LIV] !841 census >I have just downloaded a census for Mary Cronin b 1821 b Ireland, but I >cant > read the street name. > so I downloaded a printer friendly version, but it only gives St Thomas as > the area? > Can anyone on the list help me . > > On the bottom of the form it gives the following info: > HO 107- piece 566- book18- parish L/Pool. district 33- folio 9- page 9. > Thanks Emily > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If I can expand on teh good responses to date: Australia is a federation and births, deaths and marriage registration is a State (or Territory) matter. Marriage and divorce have been regulated by the Commonwealth in the 1960s but registration remains within the control of each of the six states (there are 10 territories who have separate administration but not all of them have permanent populations). To prevent identity theft, each State and Territory limits access to its index of BDMs. As has been pointed out, you need to search each jurisdiction. Where/when were they last heard from? If you are not sure, then - if the immigration occurred after federation in 1901, then check for a record in the National Archives http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/recordsearch/index.aspx Go to name search, input the surname for which you are looking then use the drop-down list to select immigration and naturalisation records then work your way through the search results. Hope it's not Smith, Jones or Brown! The information available varies from record to record - you may the name of the ship, the port/date of departure, port/date of arrival, all the names and ages of the family but you may get less than this. There is comprehensive list of Australian links at: http://www.coraweb.com.au/ For example, see http://www.coraweb.com.au/bdmindex.htm Here are some of the sources I have used: For death, funeral, probate and in memoriam notices and coroner's reports, a newspaper search can be more fruitful. Australian newspapers are dominated by two companies: News (the dirty digger himself) and those formerly controlled by the Fairfax family. http://www.news.com.au/ http://www.fairfax.com.au/ The National Library of Australia has a project whereby newspapers 1803-1954 which have been filmed are being put online - the coverage varies and is growing daily. Start at: http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home The Ryerson Index is useful especially for death/funeral/probate notices in Sydney NSW but with some wider and increasing coverage: http://www.ryersonindex.com/ There is also the Rootsweb list Aus Newspaper extracts which is good for recent Queensland deaths - its coverage of other states is somewhat limited http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search?aop&path=AUS-NEWSPAPER-EXTRACTS For NSW: http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm is the official portal for death certificates. There is a moving 30 year window for deaths so Deaths [1788 - 1978] are available. There are many quirks in the system. If you don't find what you are looking for at first, try using wildcards (Barlo* = Barlow, Barloe, Barlowe etc; Barlo?= Barlow, Barloe but not Barlowe). If you are looking for shipping records before federation, try: http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/indexes-online There's also a rootsweb list at: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-NSW.html plus many others for particular areas. For Victoria: https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=getHistIdxSearchCriteria This is a pay-per-search site (the Victorians caught Thatcherism sooner and the illness lasted longer. Lots of stuff was privatised and "user pays" ate into lots of public services). Also useful for pre-federation records is: http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/default.htm For Queensland: Deaths that occurred in Queensland between 1829 and 1929 https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/DeaIndexQry.m For Tasmania, good advice can be found at: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~austashs/resource/mal_index.htm I haven't searched for other States (WA and SA) or Territories (the most populous are the Australian Capital Territory & Northern Territory - with Norfolk Island, they are the only territories with self-government, all three have their own web portals). Then there's New Zealand .... Regards Ian J

Just as a point of interest I have obtained several certificates from some Australian states both online & via post. Their death certificates are a family tree in themselves. It lists the usual:- date/place of death, name of deceased, cause of death but also it lists parents name/occupation where/when deceased was buried how long in Australia & if in different states, how long in each if married, where/when& to whom all children of deceased (names/ages or if deceased) My one wish from Santa would be that all other death certificates contained the same info (sigh) Pippa -------------------------------------------------- From: <rwlist.admin@verizon.net> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 10:02 AM To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Cc: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Australian BMDs >> From: John Lloyd <j_m_c.lloyd@virgin.net> > >> >> Are the BMDs online? And do you have to do it state by >> state? >> >> Any advice/information most gratefully received >> > > > John, you're far likely to get much more help on a list devoted to > Australian research than on one devoted to Liverpool. :-) > > Go to http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ and search for Australia mailing > lists. There are lots! > > Lynne > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi John, You can search Queensland BDM at http:/www.justice.qld.gov.au/search-historical-records.htm births - 1829 - 1914 deaths 1829 - 1929 marriages1829 - 1929 before 1829 you need to search the NSW records at http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyhistory/search.htm regards Donna

Hi John, I think that for Queensland at least, the BMD's only apply to about the 1920's (I could be wrong), but, although living here myself for 50 years, I don't have any Australian ancestors here other than my own parents for whom I don't need to look up such information. However, if all else fail, I have used a wonderful service to help out someone else (and the same service in Canada for my own research), which is called RAOGK (Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness), and have found the capital city of the State I was interested in, discovered a name of someone offering their services, and have had far more help than I could ever have imagined. I can give you the name and email address of a wonderful man in Brisbane Queensland who helped me enormously if you would like it. Hope this helps Diana 2009/11/7 John Lloyd <j_m_c.lloyd@virgin.net> > I would like to search online - if possible - for the death of a British > emigrant to Australia. > > Are the BMDs online? And do you have to do it state by state? > > Any advice/information most gratefully received > > John > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

> From: John Lloyd <j_m_c.lloyd@virgin.net> > > Are the BMDs online? And do you have to do it state by > state? > > Any advice/information most gratefully received > John, you're far likely to get much more help on a list devoted to Australian research than on one devoted to Liverpool. :-) Go to http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ and search for Australia mailing lists. There are lots! Lynne

I would like to search online - if possible - for the death of a British emigrant to Australia. Are the BMDs online? And do you have to do it state by state? Any advice/information most gratefully received John

Hi John, Some are online NSW http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/familyHistory.htm WA http://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/default.aspx VIC > http://online.justice.vic.gov.au/CA2574F700805DE7/HomePage?ReadForm&1=Home~&2=~&3=~ < Free to search but pay site if you want anything QLD http://www.justice.qld.gov.au/bdm.htm I have SA indexes and am happy to help anytime Cheers Genie http://geniesgenealogyhelp.blogspot.com/ --- On Sat, 7/11/09, John Lloyd <j_m_c.lloyd@virgin.net> wrote: > From: John Lloyd <j_m_c.lloyd@virgin.net> > Subject: [ENG-LIV] Australian BMDs > To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com > Date: Saturday, 7 November, 2009, 3:49 > I would like to search online - if > possible - for the death of a British > emigrant to Australia. > > Are the BMDs online? And do you have to do it state by > state? > > Any advice/information most gratefully received > > John > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com  > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

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Morning Listers, Here are the latest updates from the OPC website http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 2 November 2009 Marriages and Burials 1796 to 1820 from the Parish of Broughton in Furness Marriages 1816 to 1819 from the Church of St Mary the Virgin, Eccles Burials 1850 to 1853 from St Mary the Virgin in the Parish of Prestwich A continuation of the Register for Burials 1843 to 1853 Marriages 1846 to 1848 from All Saints in the Town of Wigan Don't forget that you can now use the Search Facility :o) Regards, Sally