G'day everyone, The LDS have updated their "record search pilot" site < http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start > with more records for Cheshire. This site contains Non-conformist records as well. Merry Saturnalia everyone David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia

Merry Christmas all! Even on Christmas Day, they don't stop working. Three Cheers for the Lancs OPC workers (and the Lancs BMD-ers come to that).... http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 24 December 2009 Baptisms 1880 to 1882 from St Clement, Ordsall A continuation of the register for Baptisms 1877 to 1882 Burials 1874 to 1882 from St John the Divine, Pemberton Burials 1887 to 1890 from the Church of St Thomas, in the Parish of Radcliffe Baptisms 1774 and 1782 to 1788 from St Chad in the Town of Rochdale Baptisms 1813 to 1831 from the Parish of Turton Marriages 1835 to 1837 and 1854 to 1856 from All Saints in the Town of Wigan Baptisms 1900 to 1922 from St Mark, Worsley A continuation of the register for Baptisms 1884 to 1922 Regards, Sally

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From http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/update.html - 19 December 2009: Added 2,853 marriages for Burnley RD comprising: Burnley, St Catherine (1966-1995); Nelson, St Mary (1957-1987); Burnley, United Reformed Church (formerly Congregational Church, Hollingreave Rd) (1910-1979); Brierfield, Methodist Chapel, Burnley Rd (formerly Primitive Methodist Chapel (1920-1955); Colne, Mount Zion Chapel (Exchange St) (1899-1951); Burnley, Mount Zion Methodist Chapel (Colne Rd) (1935-1937); Burnley, United Reformed Church (Manchester Rd, formerly Congregational Chapel) (1909-1972); Cliviger, Methodist Chapel (Mereclough) (1907-1965); Burnley, Rosegrove Congregational Church (Owen St) (1909-1947); Nelson, Methodist Church (Netherfield Rd) (1925-1935); Nelson Register Office or Registrar Attended (1967-1970) Added 2,880 deaths for Ribble RD comprising: Bowland (1965-1974); Chipping (1951-1958); Clitheroe (1953-1962); Ribble Valley (1974-1974) ~ ~ ~ ~ Many thanks to all responsible! Search for your ancestors in Lancashire at http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk To search for ancestors that may be hiding in either area, use the multi-region search at http://www.ukbmdsearch.org.uk/ ~ ~ ~ ~ Whoops! Time to take the pies out of the oven. Merry Christmas, everyone! Lynne

>From http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/update.html - 16 December 2009: Amended 10,130 births for Fleetwood & Fylde RD to include mother's maiden name comprising: Kirkham (1856-1935) Added 21,048 births for Burnley RD comprising: Barnoldswick (1902-1969); Burnley East (1901-1906) Added 820 deaths for Preston RD comprising: Walton-le-Dale (1969-1974) ~ ~ ~ ~ Many thanks to all responsible! Search for your ancestors in Lancashire at http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk To search for ancestors that may be hiding in either area, use the multi-region search at http://www.ukbmdsearch.org.uk/ Lynne

From http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/update.html - 11 December 2009: Amended 4,108 births for Blackburn RD to add mother's maiden name comprising: Blackburn (1870-1871) Added 3,541 births for Bury RD comprising: Holcombe (1881-1884); Radcliffe (1862-1869) Added 9,978 births for Prescot RD comprising: Huyton (1837-1905) Added 1,997 marriages for Hyndburn RD comprising: Knuzden, St Oswald (1949-1995); Church Kirk, St James Church (1923-1955); Rishton, St Peter & Paul (1965-1982) Added 595 marriages for Blackburn RD comprising: Darwen Register Office or Registrar Attended (1962-1974) 12 December 2009: Amended 19,806 births for Ribble Valley RD to add mother's maiden name comprising: Clitheroe (1837-1974); Gisburn (1847-1871); Whalley (1846-1898) Added 1,902 marriages for Prescot RD comprising: ALL CofE, AP and Register Office/Registrar Attended marriages (1944) ~ ~ ~ ~ Many thanks to all responsible! Search for your ancestors in Lancashire at http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk To search for ancestors that may be hiding in either area, use the multi-region search at http://www.ukbmdsearch.org.uk/ Lynne

Good morning/evening, everyone. The OPC transcribers are like Santa's elves - they've been busy leading up to Christmas! Here's the updated databases from the http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html website. 23 December 2009 Marriages 1867 to 1871 from Holy Trinity, Bolton Marriages 1879 to 1894 from the Church of St Stephen in the Parish of Burnley Marriages 1855 to 1858 from the Church of St Mary the Virgin, Deane in Bolton Baptisms 1892 to 1899 from the Church of St Cuthbert, in the district of Everton, Liverpool This completes the Register for Baptisms 1877 to 1899 Marriages 1901 to 1909 from St John the Evangelist, Farnworth Marriages 1899 to 1911 from St Thomas the Apostle, Halliwell, Bolton Marriages 1770 to 1777 from the Parish of Haslingden Baptisms 1774 to 1783 from the Parish of Hesketh with Becconsall Update to include a missing page Baptisms 1897 to 1912 from the Church of St Matthew, Little Lever Burials for 1785 to 1787 from the Church of St Nicholas, Liverpool Burials 1817 to 1852 from the Church of St Andrew in the Parish of Longton Baptisms 1845 to 1876 from the Parish of Maghull Marriages 1901 to 1904 from the Church of St George, in the District of Hulme, Manchester Marriages 1901 to 1904 from Ashley Lane Congregational, in the District of Moston, Manchester Marriages 1820 to 1826 from the Parish of Middleton Seasonal regards, Sally

There's a Nathaniel QUINN death in Liverpool in 1847. If that is a son it might confirm the occupation. But of course could be another relation or no relation at all. Judy On 23 Dec 2009, at 20:25, Cath & Brian wrote: > Hi Judy > > It was kindly sent to me in 2005 as follows, > > 1851 Census HO 107 / 2179 Folio 397a > Nathaniel Quinn. Head Sailor. > > on my g/fathers birth/cert Nataniels occupation is as a Rigger. > > in 1861 census,his wife Mary is a widow. > > I cannot find a death record for him. maybe he was lost at sea. > > Happy Christmas to you. > Cathy. > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for your help Judy, I will look into it further after Christmas... Wishing all A Peaceful Christmas. Cathy.

I think it's hard to tell what it means. Since he was deceased when the daughter married, he obv was not present to give the info. So perhaps she didn't know the difference, or she thought it sounded better, or simply didn't know. He'd been dead for a good few years and if he had a different occupation in Australia perhaps she hadnt been told what it was. Judy On 23 Dec 2009, at 15:41, Virginia HILLS wrote: > > Hi all > > Sorry to be jumping in on Coat Tails here - but I have a fellow > (William Robinson JACKSON b c1817, Cumberland d 1859 Brownes > Diggings, Victoria, Aust) who was listed on his 1844 Marriage > Registration (St James, Toxteth Park) as a "Mariner" but then in > 1853 on the Ships Manifest to Victoria, Australia - he lists > himself as a "Mariner" and in 1878 when one of his daughters gets > married he is listed as "Sailor" - does this mean he was with the > Navy or was he a (dare I say!) freelance person who worked on > ships as they sailed around? > > Unfortunately I am not located near a Family Research Centre to > order any Microfische and I found that joining the British Mariners > List was fruitless - any suggestion would be most welcome?? > > Look forward to hearing from you in the near future > > > Virginia > Mount Isa, Qld, Aust/ > >> From: jbarry.hughes@ntlworld.com >> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:08:34 +0000 >> To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] sea captains >> >> Hello Betty, >> >> A Master Mariner was a qualification obtained by study it did not >> automatically convey a captaincy, indeed many Master Mariners, >> during the inter-war years, worked as junior officers or even able >> seamen just to keep working. >> The title Sea Captain is, of itself, meaningless but it is >> unlikely that Captaincy of an ocean going merchantman would have >> been attained without a Master's ticket. >> >> Happy Christmas, >> >> Barry >> >> Barry Hughes >> jbarry.hughes@ntlworld.com >> >> >> >> >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> >> Admin Message - List guidelines: >> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >> >> The list admin can be contacted at >> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG- >> LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK Australia's #1 job site > http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/ > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all Sorry to be jumping in on Coat Tails here - but I have a fellow (William Robinson JACKSON b c1817, Cumberland d 1859 Brownes Diggings, Victoria, Aust) who was listed on his 1844 Marriage Registration (St James, Toxteth Park) as a "Mariner" but then in 1853 on the Ships Manifest to Victoria, Australia - he lists himself as a "Mariner" and in 1878 when one of his daughters gets married he is listed as "Sailor" - does this mean he was with the Navy or was he a (dare I say!) freelance person who worked on ships as they sailed around? Unfortunately I am not located near a Family Research Centre to order any Microfische and I found that joining the British Mariners List was fruitless - any suggestion would be most welcome?? Look forward to hearing from you in the near future Virginia Mount Isa, Qld, Aust/ > From: jbarry.hughes@ntlworld.com > Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:08:34 +0000 > To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] sea captains > > Hello Betty, > > A Master Mariner was a qualification obtained by study it did not automatically convey a captaincy, indeed many Master Mariners, during the inter-war years, worked as junior officers or even able seamen just to keep working. > The title Sea Captain is, of itself, meaningless but it is unlikely that Captaincy of an ocean going merchantman would have been attained without a Master's ticket. > > Happy Christmas, > > Barry > > Barry Hughes > jbarry.hughes@ntlworld.com > > > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK Australia's #1 job site http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/

Hi Judy It was kindly sent to me in 2005 as follows, 1851 Census HO 107 / 2179 Folio 397a Nathaniel Quinn. Head Sailor. on my g/fathers birth/cert Nataniels occupation is as a Rigger. in 1861 census,his wife Mary is a widow. I cannot find a death record for him. maybe he was lost at sea. Happy Christmas to you. Cathy.

Hello Betty, A Master Mariner was a qualification obtained by study it did not automatically convey a captaincy, indeed many Master Mariners, during the inter-war years, worked as junior officers or even able seamen just to keep working. The title Sea Captain is, of itself, meaningless but it is unlikely that Captaincy of an ocean going merchantman would have been attained without a Master's ticket. Happy Christmas, Barry Barry Hughes jbarry.hughes@ntlworld.com

Chris My thanks for your prompt and accurate response! With regard to Eddie Lunt's mail, there are two Mary E Cowards born within a couple of years. The one I am interested in - Mary Ellen - was born in West Derby in 1869 and married Thomas Lloyd in Toxteth in 1893. She died in 1895. The other Mary - Mary Eleanor Coward - was born in Ulverston in 1871. Presumably this is the Mary who married Eddie's gg Grandfather. John

Chris, havnt we spoke before? its been 12 months since ive been in the FAMILY history thing, had a good break due to health problems. But my G.G gradnfather John Lunt, married a Mary COWARD, BUT i believe she came from the Cumbrian area where all the floods were a couple of weeks ago. I would have to get my records out to look things up as the lst 12 months inactivity has dulled my brain a little. Just thought i would reply to your message when i saw it this morning. TED. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Cunningham" <chriscunningham@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] 1891 Census Look-Up-Coward > Sent off list > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Lloyd > Sent: 23 December 2009 10:28 > To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-LIV] 1891 Census Look-Up-Coward > > Perhaps everybody is busy with the holiday preparations? > > However if somebody has a few spare moments, and access to the 1891 > Census, I would be most grateful if you could help with the details of > Mary Ellen Coward, born about 1870, and her family. I believe the family > lived in Toxteth, or possibly, West Derby. > > May I wish a peaceful holiday to all list-members! > > John > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.406 / Virus Database: 270.14.117/2582 - Release Date: 12/22/09 18:22:00

Where did you get the term 'sailor'. If it is on an official document it implies the Navy. If he was in the merchant marine the term is mariner. The issue of Mariners records is complex but I am sure someone on the list can help. Judy On 22 Dec 2009, at 16:32, Cath & Brian wrote: > Hi Judy > > I have a Nathaniel Quinn. born in Ireland aprox 1809. > he was a Sailor, but not a sea captain. > how can I find more info.? > > Cathy. > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Name: Mary E Coward Age: 21 Estimated birth year: abt 1870 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: James Mother's Name: Mary Gender: Female Where born: Liverpool Civil parish: Toxteth Park Ecclesiastical parish: St Cleopas County/Island: Lancashire Street Address: (Looks like) 5 Lovrock Bank, Toxteth Park Registration district: Toxteth Park Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park (All born Liverpool) James Coward 49 Labourer Mary Coward 47 Mary E Coward 21 Box Maker Paper James R Coward 11 George E Coward 6 Regards, Sally ---------------------------------------- > Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:28:00 +0000 > From: j_m_c.lloyd@virgin.net > To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-LIV] 1891 Census Look-Up-Coward > > Perhaps everybody is busy with the holiday preparations? > > However if somebody has a few spare moments, and access to the 1891 > Census, I would be most grateful if you could help with the details of > Mary Ellen Coward, born about 1870, and her family. I believe the family > lived in Toxteth, or possibly, West Derby. > > May I wish a peaceful holiday to all list-members! > > John > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sent off list -----Original Message----- From: eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Lloyd Sent: 23 December 2009 10:28 To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LIV] 1891 Census Look-Up-Coward Perhaps everybody is busy with the holiday preparations? However if somebody has a few spare moments, and access to the 1891 Census, I would be most grateful if you could help with the details of Mary Ellen Coward, born about 1870, and her family. I believe the family lived in Toxteth, or possibly, West Derby. May I wish a peaceful holiday to all list-members! John ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Sally for this lovely poem, and a wish of a Very Merry Christmas to you and your family Sue > > > > We are the story-tellers > For our family, > We seek the people who have made > Us as we are to be. >

Hi Barry, Thank you for explaining that. The only tidbit of information I have is from an 1873 record which was from the Liverpool Sheltering Homes. The note said that, when the 5 CORKILL children went to stay there, they had lost their mother. But, their father, a Master Mariner, was on his way to Africa at the time ! Betty (As I've mentioned before, all 6 of Evan and Elizabeth's children migrated to Canada (ages ~16 to 3) (1873-1875). And, Evan, a few years later remarried, and lived for many years. And I have no way of knowing whether he remained in contact with his children.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Hughes" <jbarry.hughes@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] sea captains > Hello Betty, > > A Master Mariner was a qualification obtained by study it did not > automatically convey a captaincy, indeed many Master Mariners, during the > inter-war years, worked as junior officers or even able seamen just to > keep working. > The title Sea Captain is, of itself, meaningless but it is unlikely that > Captaincy of an ocean going merchantman would have been attained without a > Master's ticket. > > Happy Christmas, > > Barry