Hi John, Can you give me Henry Evans jr's marriage details? If I can get a sighting of him in the census, then it may be possible to work backward using the son's information. And where does Manchester or Wales fit in to all this? Have you got any snippets of family legend or are you simply using these as examples? Regards, Sally ---------------------------------------- > Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:20:00 +0000 > From: j_m_c.lloyd@virgin.net > To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-LIV] Henry Evans Again > > My thanks to Sally and Angelika for your help! > > The only information I have about Henry Evans snr. is that contained in > the wedding licence of his son, Henry Evans jnr, who married in > Liverpool in 1875 at the age of 22. The document contains the fact that > his father's occupation was that of a striker and, possibly, indicates > that he was still living so he may figure in the later censuses of 1861 > and 1871. I have no evidence as to where he was born. He could well have > been born in Wales and worked in Manchester. > > John > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bob there is a death of a Sarah E De SUMERE in 1910 age 33 registered at West Derby and also her marriage to Charles James in 1902. In 1901 there is a NOBLE family in West Derby and Sarah E age 24 is a confectioner baker and single....she is with mother and siblings including a brother named Claud...could this be the right NOBLE family? Sue > From: robert.owen3@btinternet.com > To: ENG-LIVERPOOL-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 07:02:00 +0000 > Subject: [ENG-LIV] DE Sumere family name- Liverpool > > Hi List > I am helping a cousin with her side of the tree and the following names have come to light, I have searched all the relevant census but can't find any information. I would be interested in contacting anyone who is researching this name, with a view to exchanging information. > > Claude Edgerton DE SUMERE born Liverpool 1904 father Charles James DE SUMERE mother Sarah Elizabeth DE SUMERE (Nee Noble). Claude married Gladys Garside in 1931 in Liverpool. > > Many thanks > > Bob Owen Southport. > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Got more than one Hotmail account? Save time by linking them together http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394591/direct/01/

Can only see a this from the free 1911 index Charles Jame De SUMMERE born 1879 residing West Derby Claude Edgerton De SUMMERE born 1905 WD. It's pay per view but it will tell you where they were born and other useful information so worthwhile. Sue > From: robert.owen3@btinternet.com > To: ENG-LIVERPOOL-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 07:02:00 +0000 > Subject: [ENG-LIV] DE Sumere family name- Liverpool > > Hi List > I am helping a cousin with her side of the tree and the following names have come to light, I have searched all the relevant census but can't find any information. I would be interested in contacting anyone who is researching this name, with a view to exchanging information. > > Claude Edgerton DE SUMERE born Liverpool 1904 father Charles James DE SUMERE mother Sarah Elizabeth DE SUMERE (Nee Noble). Claude married Gladys Garside in 1931 in Liverpool. > > Many thanks > > Bob Owen Southport. > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Use Hotmail to send and receive mail from your different email accounts http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394592/direct/01/

robert.owen3@btinternet.com wrote snip<father Charles James DE SUMERE mother Sarah Elizabeth DE SUMERE (Nee Noble). Hi there is a death for Sarah E Christine Deaths Jun 1910 DE SUMERE Sarah E 33 W Derby 8b347

Claud (sic) is registered in the September qtr of 1904 in West Derby, not Liverpool. He is in the 1911 census as follows: Household DE SUMMERE, Claude Edgerton 1905 6 M West Derby Lancashire I have forwarded a copy of the image to you. A rather large household for you to contemplate! Regards, Cecilia Bell in Essex UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Owen" <robert.owen3@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-LIVERPOOL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 7:02 AM Subject: [ENG-LIV] DE Sumere family name- Liverpool Hi List I am helping a cousin with her side of the tree and the following names have come to light, I have searched all the relevant census but can't find any information. I would be interested in contacting anyone who is researching this name, with a view to exchanging information. Claude Edgerton DE SUMERE born Liverpool 1904 father Charles James DE SUMERE mother Sarah Elizabeth DE SUMERE (Nee Noble). Claude married Gladys Garside in 1931 in Liverpool. Many thanks Bob Owen Southport. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.125/2600 - Release Date: 01/04/10 19:35:00

My thanks to Sally and Angelika for your help! The only information I have about Henry Evans snr. is that contained in the wedding licence of his son, Henry Evans jnr, who married in Liverpool in 1875 at the age of 22. The document contains the fact that his father's occupation was that of a striker and, possibly, indicates that he was still living so he may figure in the later censuses of 1861 and 1871. I have no evidence as to where he was born. He could well have been born in Wales and worked in Manchester. John

Could it be that the bride lived in St Paul's parish at the time of her marriage, but her husband was from St Peter's and that is where they went to live after the marriage? Regards, Cecilia Bell in Essex UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Bissett" <jbissett@hot-peppers.com> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 2:18 PM Subject: [ENG-LIV] St Paul, Liverpool Marriage Hi List, Just wondering if anyone on the list has access to the actual images of either or both of these filmed marriages. The first version is from the IGI, and the second is from the OPC web site. I believe this is the marriage of the parents of my Ellen Jane YATES, who married Stephen CUSHING circa 1832. Ellen Jane and 4 siblings are reflected in the IGI with both birth and christening dates. In all cases the parents are shown as Edward YATES and Elizabeth COLLISTER. All children's records are recorded at St Peters, Liverpool. Normally I would not even question that this is the correct marriage, as I am fully familiar with the myriad of surname spelling variations back in this time frame; however, it strikes me as somewhat odd that this marriage is at St Paul, while all of the children were christened at St Peter. I welcome any comments on the transcriptions of these filmed records, the two different churches, or anything else that you think might be helpful. Edward Yeates Spouse: Elizabeth Colsten Marriage: 13 MAR 1803 St Paul's, Liverpool, Lancashire, England M019762 Marriage: 13 Mar 1803 St Paul, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Edward Yeats - Draper of Liverpool Elizabeth Colster - (X), Spinster of Liverpool Witness: Thos. Barrow; Richard Ratcliff Married by Banns by: Henry Barton Minister Register: Marriages 1773 - 1810, Page 226, Entry 18 Source: LDS Film 1656374 Joe Bissett Administrator, Rootsweb PIGGOTT surname list ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.125/2600 - Release Date: 01/04/10 19:35:00

Hi John, Just to clarify, do you mean he was born abt 1830 in Liverpool, or just that he would be living in Liverpool. A straightforward search of the 1851 census has 24 Henry Evans with Liverpool as the keyword. The three closest to the 1830 year have one born 1825 and his occupation looks like (Watch?) Finisher, one born in 1827 who is a Stone Mason and one born in 1834 is a Grocer's Apprentice. Any middle initials? Any sightings after 1851 that may give us more clues? Regards, Sally ---------------------------------------- > Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 09:41:41 +0000 > From: j_m_c.lloyd@virgin.net > To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-LIV] Henry Evans > > This may be akin to the proverbial needle in a haystack but I am looking > for a Henry Evans, a blacksmith, or blacksmith's striker, or worker in > the metal trades. I would be most grateful if a list-member could look > for him in the 1841 and 1851 Censuses. I guess that he was born in > about 1830, possibly in Liverpool. > > My thanks! > > John > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From the Liverpool Daily Post, Jan 5 2010: > > A VICTORIAN gold-leaf plaque, found in a West Sussex bric-a-brac shop, > is back in the city after it was revealed to be an artefact > commemorating a 19th-century Liverpool Archdeacon. > > Rev Jonathan BROOKS was based at St Nick’s at the Pier Head, also > known as Liverpool Parish Church or the “sailors’ church” because of > its close ties with the city’s maritime community. > > The senior churchman was presented with the plaque on June 14, 1848, > to mark his half a century of service in Liverpool. > > Coincidentally, the name of the present rector at St Nick’s is Steven > Brookes, although he is no relation to his predecessor. Read the rest of the story at http://tinyurl.com/ybtwfcm

Morning all, Here are the first two databases to be added to the site in 2010 - http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 4 January 2010 Baptisms 1821 to 1828 from St Chad in the Town of Rochdale Updated from a different source to include some entries missing from the original source Index to those burried in Swinton Cemetery Regards, Sally

Hi Cecilia, Thanks for responding. At 09:15 AM 1/5/2010, you wrote: >Could it be that the bride lived in St Paul's parish at the time of her >marriage, but her husband was from St Peter's and that is where they went to >live after the marriage? That certainly is a good possibility. :-) If that is the case, my "guess" would be that the actual record would say something like Edward Yates of St Peters....and Elizabeth Collister of this parish. That is what I've seen on many other of my OPC records. Maybe someone has access to those images and can confirm or deny that. At some point I might have to go through the lengthy process of ordering in the films at a San Antonio FHC some 30 miles distant. :-) Regards, Joe

This may be akin to the proverbial needle in a haystack but I am looking for a Henry Evans, a blacksmith, or blacksmith's striker, or worker in the metal trades. I would be most grateful if a list-member could look for him in the 1841 and 1851 Censuses. I guess that he was born in about 1830, possibly in Liverpool. My thanks! John

Hi List, Just wondering if anyone on the list has access to the actual images of either or both of these filmed marriages. The first version is from the IGI, and the second is from the OPC web site. I believe this is the marriage of the parents of my Ellen Jane YATES, who married Stephen CUSHING circa 1832. Ellen Jane and 4 siblings are reflected in the IGI with both birth and christening dates. In all cases the parents are shown as Edward YATES and Elizabeth COLLISTER. All children's records are recorded at St Peters, Liverpool. Normally I would not even question that this is the correct marriage, as I am fully familiar with the myriad of surname spelling variations back in this time frame; however, it strikes me as somewhat odd that this marriage is at St Paul, while all of the children were christened at St Peter. I welcome any comments on the transcriptions of these filmed records, the two different churches, or anything else that you think might be helpful. Edward Yeates Spouse: Elizabeth Colsten Marriage: 13 MAR 1803 St Paul's, Liverpool, Lancashire, England M019762 Marriage: 13 Mar 1803 St Paul, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Edward Yeats - Draper of Liverpool Elizabeth Colster - (X), Spinster of Liverpool Witness: Thos. Barrow; Richard Ratcliff Married by Banns by: Henry Barton Minister Register: Marriages 1773 - 1810, Page 226, Entry 18 Source: LDS Film 1656374 Joe Bissett Administrator, Rootsweb PIGGOTT surname list

Hi List I am helping a cousin with her side of the tree and the following names have come to light, I have searched all the relevant census but can't find any information. I would be interested in contacting anyone who is researching this name, with a view to exchanging information. Claude Edgerton DE SUMERE born Liverpool 1904 father Charles James DE SUMERE mother Sarah Elizabeth DE SUMERE (Nee Noble). Claude married Gladys Garside in 1931 in Liverpool. Many thanks Bob Owen Southport.

Hi Ann Many Liverpool marriages are on LancashireBMD and if a church marriage, name the church. http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/ Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "ann sherman" <annie.sherman@hotmail.com> To: <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] LIVERPOOL (S) - GATER, , MORAN, McALLISTER, DOBB,OWENS, WALSH > > Thank you Andy for your kind quick reply; I gather that Liverpool is a > large city that I didn't know where to start. It was so very kind of you, > as others have been on this list. > > Thank you again > > Ann Sherman (nee Dench) > > Weymouth, Dorset >

I was told about this site before Christmas, but didn't have time due to illness and the festivities, so thank you for reminding me, it is a marvellous site and I found three marriages on it. Thank you once again, this Liverpool group is certainly a very helpful one that I am so glad that I have joined. Ann Sherman (nee Dench) Weymouth, Dorset _________________________________________________________________ View your other email accounts from your Hotmail inbox. Add them now. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394592/direct/01/

Hi Ann Liverpool (s) stands for Liverpool South This link has information regarding the area it covered. http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/liverpool%20south.html Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Sherman" <ann@8hcl.freeserve.co.uk> To: "Eng Liverpool List" <ENG-LIVERPOOL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 3:15 AM Subject: [ENG-LIV] LIVERPOOL (S) - GATER, , MORAN, McALLISTER, DOBB, OWENS,WALSH > Hi List > Happy New Year to you all. I would like to ask anyone who knows what is > meant when a birth or marriage, etc, is given as "Liverpool (s)" and what > area this encompasses? These marriages took place between 1941 and 1948 > and they were all in Liverpool. > > It would appear that my family of GATER and JONES moved to Lilverpool(s) > from (to my knowledge) Devon; however, I don't know if they moved anywhere > else from Devonport before arriving in Liverpool. > > Any help would be gratefully accepted especially as my family is gradually > being formed thanks to a couple of very helpful listers. Thank you once > again, > ANN SHERMAN (nee DENCH) > Living in Weymouth, Dorset > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Still looking for connections to my ADDISON family line – Teresa DOYLE married James MILES (father Patrick MILES). Their daughter Mary Theresa MILES married Ernest George ADDISON. Patrick was born in Co Louth and on the 1891 census his unmarried sister was living with the family, Mary J also born Co Louth. James and Teresa’s daughter was living with an Aunt and Uncle on the 1911 census :- Albert John TAYLOR aged 29 Iron Founder Frances nee DOYLE aged 29 Albert Leslie aged 4 Edith aged 6 Hilda aged 2 I am interested in finding out more about the DOYLE and MILES families and if anyone is connected I would gladly exchange what information I have. Dot Dorothy Holden Dover Kent England There are three things that can never be retrieved- the spoken word, time past and the neglected opportunity I volunteer for the Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness website www.raogk.org

Thank you Andy for your kind quick reply; I gather that Liverpool is a large city that I didn't know where to start. It was so very kind of you, as others have been on this list. Thank you again Ann Sherman (nee Dench) Weymouth, Dorset _________________________________________________________________ Got more than one Hotmail account? Save time by linking them together http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394591/direct/01/

Did they actually move? There was a war on. Liverpool was an embarcation point. People did marry whilst on a few days' leave or just before being shipped overseas. J On 3 Jan 2010, at 16:15, Ann Sherman wrote: > Hi List > Happy New Year to you all. I would like to ask anyone who knows > what is meant when a birth or marriage, etc, is given as "Liverpool > (s)" and what area this encompasses? These marriages took place > between 1941 and 1948 and they were all in Liverpool. > > It would appear that my family of GATER and JONES moved to > Lilverpool(s) from (to my knowledge) Devon; however, I don't know > if they moved anywhere else from Devonport before arriving in > Liverpool. > > Any help would be gratefully accepted especially as my family is > gradually being formed thanks to a couple of very helpful listers. > Thank you once again, > ANN SHERMAN (nee DENCH) > Living in Weymouth, Dorset > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message