Thank you Sally, Now I need to sit down and see if any of these could belong to my Thomas Kemp ancestors. Michelle ----- Original Message ----- From: "sally roberts" <[email protected]> To: "englanliverpool" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Explanation please > > Apologies, I meant to send this with the previous email.... > > These are on the 1911 census index: > > Thomas Campbell Kemp abt 1846 Glasgow, Scotland Boarder West Derby, > Lancashire > Thomas Kemp Sarah A abt 1871 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Head Darwen, > Lancashire > Thomas Hartley Kemp Catherine Beatrice abt 1884 United States Head Walton > on the Hill, Lancashire > Thomas Brooke Kemp abt 1885 Halifax, Yorkshire, England Boarder Everton, > Lancashire > Thomas Hartley Kemp Thomas Hartley, Catherine Beatrice abt 1910 > Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son Walton on the Hill, Lancashire > Thomas Henry Kemp Saul, Alice abt 1911 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son > Kirkdale, Lancashire > > Regards, > Sally > > > ---------------------------------------- >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 09:20:11 -0400 >> CC: [email protected] >> Subject: [ENG-LIV] Explanation please >> >> I just went in on ancestry.com to the 1911 census looking for my Thomas >> Kemps of liverpool. On the first pages it gave the reguklar census >> information. Then it started only giving the last name "kemp" and the >> areas they lived. I went in on several of these from the areas I knew my >> ancestors lived (Toxtethe Park, West Derby etc.) but it gives none of the >> info like occupation, spouse name, children etc. only the house number >> and number of males and females in household (no names or ages). Can I >> find more about these individuals using just their styreet address? >> Tghanks for any help you can give me. >> Michelle Wilson >> Vermont USA >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> >> Admin Message - List guidelines: >> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >> >> The list admin can be contacted at >> [email protected] >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I haven't seen my original reply come through so my apologies it you get it twice. David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: David Armstrong To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Hamburg ancestor G'day Frederick I too have a German Great Grandfather, Asmus Kunde (1852097), who was a seaman, but who settled on Tyneside not Merseyside, and married a German girl. Do you have a name for a ship on which your Great Grandfather crewed, and the year involved? If you do, then you have access to the "Crew Agreements". These can be used to trace Emil's maritime career back voyage by voyage until he first signed on as crew on a British ship. They provide details of birthplace and age or date of birth. They also provide the name of the previous ship and the year of the voyage. (An Agreement runs for about six months, and then a new one is signed). When the Board of Trade disposed of their records, the National Archives kept a 10% sample, including famous ships. A second sample of 10% was acquired by the National Maritime Museum in Greenwich, and a further 10% was acquired by local museums and county record offices. The remaining 70% or so was acquired by the Maritime History Archive, Memorial University, St John's, Newfoundland. I used their services in the pre-internet days and traced Asmus Kunde back to Hamburg in the early 1880s. The "Free and Hanseatic City of Hamburg" was an Independent City State until 1871 when it became a state in the German Empire which was of a federal nature. Hamburg is still a Federal State in the modern German Republic. Of course, the place is much bigger these days. Altona, which today is a suburb of Hamburg, was until 1864, in the Duchy of Holstein, the Duke of which also happened to be the King of Denmark. After 1864, the twin Duchies of Schleswig-Holstein became part of the Kingdom of Prussia, which in turn in 1871 became the leading member of the German Empire. In 1938, Altona was acquired by Hamburg. Frederick, I've given this brief history of Hamburg in order to alert you to the political geography of Hamburg which is something you'll need to take into account. As regards my own research, once I found that Asmus Kunde had first signed on as crew of a British ship while it was in Hamburg, I started looking at what records were available on microfilm through the LDS family history libraries. I found a series of records, the "Hamburg Police Register of Transients". People who were not citizens of Hamburg had to register their presence in the city with the police. These records have been microfilmed. < https://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=193218&disp=Meldeprotokolle+f%26%23xfc%3Br+Fremden+1%20%20&columns=*,0,0 > The indexes are typed in full alphabetical order - German alphabetical order that is. The German alphabet has 5 extra letters. They are: ä ë ö ü ß What this means is that Künder comes before Kunde in a German index. (I hope rootsweb web doesn't mangle them when I post this email. In case it does, the first four are the letters a e o u with an umlaut, while the fifth is the German double S.) The Transients index lists the parish and date of birth. In my case it told me that Asmus Kunde was born in the parish of Zarpen, about ten or twelve miles out of Lübeck, and about forty miles from Hamburg. My advice is to first chase up the crew agreements until find Frederick first signing on as a crew member. Remember, in later life he may have said he was from Hamburg as it was the nearest big place to where he was born which was familiar to an English audience. By the way, my Geordie born, ethnic German grandfather was in the Royal Flying Corps and a founder member of the Royal Air Force during WWI, while his Altona born first cousin, was in the Prussian Army and taken prisoner by the Russians in 1915. As Asmus was from Holstein, they were able to convincingly claim Danish heritage WWI to avoid abuse. One final thing, was Frederick a member of the Lutheran church in Liverpool? < http://www.lutheran.org.uk/history_detailed.php > The article doesn't say when the church started. Hope this helps. Happy Hunting David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Frederick Englebert To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 6:40 PM Subject: [ENG-LIV] Hamburg ancestor Hello List, My name is Frederick, an expat Scoucer, living now in Western Australia. The main focus of my research has been my Great grandfather, a German from Hamburg named (on his marriage certificate) Emil David Engelbrecht, though he changed his name to Engelbert. He came to Liverpool sometime around 1865/75 and married a Liverpool lass in 1879 at St john the Baptist in Toxteth. He was a ships cook/steward and presumably worked out of the port until around 1900. His wife Sarah (Langshaw) died in 1908, my man died in 1939 in Pontefract were he had moved with 2 of his daughters. Emil was registered in Home Office records in 1939 as a 'male enemy alien' who was exempt from internment; as he was born on 21-04-1850 he was 89 years old then, and I would say no longer a threat but with the Second World War about to begin, you could not take any chances could you! I have searched for many years for records of my man's family and have found 6 of his children, all born in Toxteth. I have had no luck, however, with searches in Hamburg for him or his father Georg(e) a Customs Officer. There are no records (Home Office) of Emil coming to England, I can find no record for him on the CLIP list dvd I have, he seems to have been "absent" each time censuses where taken, and in general, he seems to have kept his head below the parapet, presumably because he was German and at the time there would, I suppose, have been some anger shown towards the bosch! He was very unfortunate to have been in England at the time of both the wars with his birth country. I feel their must be some record of Emil somewhere in Liverpool that would indicate his birth town and parents names! Any help guys would be gratefully appreciated, Frederick

Hello List, My name is Frederick, an expat Scoucer, living now in Western Australia. The main focus of my research has been my Great grandfather, a German from Hamburg named (on his marriage certificate) Emil David Engelbrecht, though he changed his name to Engelbert. He came to Liverpool sometime around 1865/75 and married a Liverpool lass in 1879 at St john the Baptist in Toxteth. He was a ships cook/steward and presumably worked out of the port until around 1900. His wife Sarah (Langshaw) died in 1908, my man died in 1939 in Pontefract were he had moved with 2 of his daughters. Emil was registered in Home Office records in 1939 as a 'male enemy alien' who was exempt from internment; as he was born on 21-04-1850 he was 89 years old then, and I would say no longer a threat but with the Second World War about to begin, you could not take any chances could you! I have searched for many years for records of my man's family and have found 6 of his children, all born in Toxteth. I have had no luck, however, with searches in Hamburg for him or his father Georg(e) a Customs Officer. There are no records (Home Office) of Emil coming to England, I can find no record for him on the CLIP list dvd I have, he seems to have been "absent" each time censuses where taken, and in general, he seems to have kept his head below the parapet, presumably because he was German and at the time there would, I suppose, have been some anger shown towards the bosch! He was very unfortunate to have been in England at the time of both the wars with his birth country. I feel their must be some record of Emil somewhere in Liverpool that would indicate his birth town and parents names! Any help guys would be gratefully appreciated, Frederick

Apologies, I meant to send this with the previous email.... These are on the 1911 census index: Thomas Campbell Kemp abt 1846 Glasgow, Scotland Boarder West Derby, Lancashire Thomas Kemp Sarah A abt 1871 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Head Darwen, Lancashire Thomas Hartley Kemp Catherine Beatrice abt 1884 United States Head Walton on the Hill, Lancashire Thomas Brooke Kemp abt 1885 Halifax, Yorkshire, England Boarder Everton, Lancashire Thomas Hartley Kemp Thomas Hartley, Catherine Beatrice abt 1910 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son Walton on the Hill, Lancashire Thomas Henry Kemp Saul, Alice abt 1911 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son Kirkdale, Lancashire Regards, Sally ---------------------------------------- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 09:20:11 -0400 > CC: [email protected] > Subject: [ENG-LIV] Explanation please > > I just went in on ancestry.com to the 1911 census looking for my Thomas Kemps of liverpool. On the first pages it gave the reguklar census information. Then it started only giving the last name "kemp" and the areas they lived. I went in on several of these from the areas I knew my ancestors lived (Toxtethe Park, West Derby etc.) but it gives none of the info like occupation, spouse name, children etc. only the house number and number of males and females in household (no names or ages). Can I find more about these individuals using just their styreet address? > Tghanks for any help you can give me. > Michelle Wilson > Vermont USA > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Michelle, It sounds like some of these hits are from the Summary Books. They were, literally, Summaries of families with just the vaguest of information, so you need to ensure you are clicking on the right link for details. Regards, Sally ---------------------------------------- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 09:20:11 -0400 > CC: [email protected] > Subject: [ENG-LIV] Explanation please > > I just went in on ancestry.com to the 1911 census looking for my Thomas Kemps of liverpool. On the first pages it gave the reguklar census information. Then it started only giving the last name "kemp" and the areas they lived. I went in on several of these from the areas I knew my ancestors lived (Toxtethe Park, West Derby etc.) but it gives none of the info like occupation, spouse name, children etc. only the house number and number of males and females in household (no names or ages). Can I find more about these individuals using just their styreet address? > Tghanks for any help you can give me. > Michelle Wilson

Michelle, Did you click the image button to the right of the part you read? Joan On May 12, 2012, at 9:20 AM, Michelle Wilson wrote: > I just went in on ancestry.com to the 1911 census looking for my Thomas Kemps of liverpool. On the first pages it gave the reguklar census information. Then it started only giving the last name "kemp" and the areas they lived. I went in on several of these from the areas I knew my ancestors lived (Toxtethe Park, West Derby etc.) but it gives none of the info like occupation, spouse name, children etc. only the house number and number of males and females in household (no names or ages). Can I find more about these individuals using just their styreet address? > Tghanks for any help you can give me. > Michelle Wilson > Vermont USA > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I just went in on ancestry.com to the 1911 census looking for my Thomas Kemps of liverpool. On the first pages it gave the reguklar census information. Then it started only giving the last name "kemp" and the areas they lived. I went in on several of these from the areas I knew my ancestors lived (Toxtethe Park, West Derby etc.) but it gives none of the info like occupation, spouse name, children etc. only the house number and number of males and females in household (no names or ages). Can I find more about these individuals using just their styreet address? Tghanks for any help you can give me. Michelle Wilson Vermont USA

Morning all, Today's visit to the OPC website found even more databases have been added on: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 9 May 2012 Marriages 1773 to 1789 from the Church of St Peter in the Parish of Burnley Baptisms 1813 to 1826 from the Parish of Cockerham Marriages and Burials 1689 to 1718 from the Church of St Helen in the Parish of Garstang Baptisms 1879 to 1900 and Marriages 1754 to 1812 from the Parish of Halton Burials 1869 to 1930 from the Church of St Maichael and All Angels in the Parish of Hawkshead Updated Marriages 1849 to 1882 and 1885 to 1907 from the Parish of Hurst These Registers now include pages missing from the original filming Marriages 1776 to 1800 from St Michael in the Parish of Kirkham Marriages 1749 to 1754 from the Church of St Mary in the Parish of Lancaster Baptisms 1755 to 1813 from the Church of St John in the City of Lancaster Burials 1893 to 1900 from the Church of St Luke, Skerton in the City of Lancaster Burials 1867 to 1887 from the Church of St John the Baptist in the Parish of Lees (or Hey) Updated Baptisms 1761 to 1789 from St Leonard in the Parish of Padiham Includes some new entries not in the previous version Marriages 1849 to 1891 from the Church of St John the Evangelist, Pendlebury Marriages 1873 to 1875 from St John in the Town of Preston Baptisms 1866 to 1870 from St Thomas, Eccleston, in the Parish of St Helens Marriages 1910 to 1916 from St Catharine, Scholes, in the Town of Wigan Marriages 1907 to 1921 from the Church of St Michael and All Angels, Swinley in the Town of Wigan Marriages 1963 to 1977 from the Church of St John the Evangelist, Worsthorne Regards, Sally

Morning all, This morning's visit to the OPC website found the following databases have been added: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/ 8 May 2012 Marriages 1885 to 1887 from the Church of St Michael-in-the-Hamlet, in the district of Aigburth, Liverpool Baptisms 1749 to 1788 from the Parish of Altham Burials 1760 to 1872 from the Church of St Aidan in the Parish of Billinge These records replace a previous set from the Bishop's Transcripts covering some of the years They are taken from the Parish Registers and contain more information and additional entries Banns 1869 to 1873 from the Church of St Mary the Virgin in the Parish of Blackburn This Register, initially catalogued as St Paul Blackburn, was found to be from St Mary the Virgin and has been moved to its correct place. Marriages 1653 to 1680 from the Church of St Mary the Virgin in the Parish of Blackburn Marriages 1878 to 1884 from the Church of St Paul, Blackburn Marriages 1872 to 1894 from the Church of St James the Apostle, Bolton Marriages 1905 to 1927 from Castle St Wesleyan Chapel, in the district of Tonge with Haulgh, Bolton Baptisms 1886 to 1889 from the Church of St Ambrose (later with All Saints), in the district of Everton, Liverpool Baptisms 1848 to 1881 from Delph Hill Wesleyan Methodist Church, Halliwell, Bolton Marriages 1929 to 1943 from the Church of St Mary, in the district of Knowsley, Liverpool Baptisms 1813 to 1830 from Holy Trinity and St Mary Magdalene, Liverpool Baptisms 1813 to 1838 from the Church of St Thomas, Liverpool Baptisms, Marriages and Burials 1804 to 1806 from the Church of St James, Toxteth, Liverpool Happy Hunting! Regards, Sally

While we were enjoying the Bank Holiday, our friends at Lancashire BMD came up with these: 8 May 2012 Amended 4,999 Births for Burnley RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Burnley (1860-1864) Added 44,025 Deaths for Manchester RD comprising: Chorlton-on-Medlock (1837-1883) Added 2,297 Marriages for Hyndburn RD comprising: Cloughfold, St John the Divine (1940-1972); Edenfield, Parish Church (1838-2007); Facit, St John (1895-1930) ~ ~ ~ ~ Cheshire BMD and Yorkshire BMD have also been updated. Many thanks to all responsible! Search for your ancestors in Lancashire at http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk or use the multi-region search at http://www.ukbmdsearch.org.uk/ Happy searching! Lynne

Hi, It's an unusual move to take the mother's maiden name as her own, so have you looked to see if there are any Agnes McMin(n)s that are born within the time frame? It might also be worth looking to pin down the death of Agnes Carter to see if it occurs between the births of Nicholas's first born and the next child, which might account for the sudden swap of names. I don't know if you have these, they are the only one that match for the family, despite there being more children on the census: Name: James Cassidy Birth Date: 28 Sep 1847 Baptism Date: 31 Oct 1847 Parish: Liverpool St Peter Father's Name: James Cassidy Mother's Name: Nicholas Cassidy Res: Park Road, Toxteth Park Occ: Mariner Name: Robert Cassidy Birth Date: 20 Jul 1860 Baptism Date: 21 Aug 1860 Parish: Liverpool St Peter Father's Name: James Cassidy Mother's Name: Agnes Cassidy Res: Toxteth Park Occ: Mariner Name: George Cassidy Birth Date: 12 Aug 1863 Baptism Date: 21 Sep 1863 Parish: Liverpool St Peter Father's Name: James Cassidy Mother's Name: Agnes Cassidy Res: Toxteth Park Occ: Mariner The main problem is that "Agnes" doesn't seem to disclose where in Scotland she is from so it's hard to really say if it is Nicholas, or whether Nicholas has died and James gets together with a relation of hers from her mother's side of the family, or the link is purely co-incidental. I would try and identify the deaths of either Nicholas or Agnes to see if that can throw any more light on the subject. Regards, Sally . > > Can anybody help me to shed any light on this situation? > > My great-great grandfather was James CASSIDY, born 28th Sep 1847 in Liverpool. On his baptism, his parents are listed as James and Nicholas CASSIDY. (Nicholas was a woman!) They are on the 1851 census, where she is listed as 'Nicol.' > > James & Nicholas were married at Liverpool Register Office in 1846. Her name is recorded as Nicholas CARTER. I then found her birth - in 1821 in Tongland, Kirkcudbrightshire, the daughter of James CARTER and Agnes MCMIN. >

She may always have been known as Agnes. There are scores of stories about families where (for example) the father registered/chose the name which went on the cert / was used for the baptism but the mother carried on and called the child by the name she preferred anyway. My grandmother was a case in point - registered Vera by her father but always called Ena within the family, to the extent that when she went to school and the teacher called out her name as Vera, my gandmother had no idea that the teacher might be referring to her as she had never heard the name before. However, when she married, my grandfather apparently insisted on calling her by her baptismal name. Eventually, when she died and my father registered the death he put Vera and Ena (as well as her other middle name) in order to cover all variations! But I agree, it sounds like it's the same person. I think the problem is that when one is actually known by a name other than the first name on a birth cert/baptismal record, there will be be officials who insist on approaching that situation in different ways. So for example, I have always, from babyhood, been known by my middle name, Maria - but as I was registered with another first name befoe the 'Maria' I do appear under that name in many records, which will no doubt be confusing for future family historians. In some records, however, I do appear as Maria. And to add to the confusion, some years ago the receptionists at my doctors' surgery decided they could no longer cope with the fact that everyone called me by a name which was not the name under which my records were filed, and so decided to swap my names around - so on all my health records since that date, my name is shown as Maria followed by what is actually my first name. Agnes/Nichol(as) has my sympathy!! Maria On 05/05/2012 16:02, Karen wrote: > Can anybody help me to shed any light on this situation? > > My great-great grandfather was James CASSIDY, born 28th Sep 1847 in Liverpool. On his baptism, his parents are listed as James and Nicholas CASSIDY. (Nicholas was a woman!) They are on the 1851 census, where she is listed as 'Nicol.' > > James& Nicholas were married at Liverpool Register Office in 1846. Her name is recorded as Nicholas CARTER. I then found her birth - in 1821 in Tongland, Kirkcudbrightshire, the daughter of James CARTER and Agnes MCMIN. > > By 1861, Nicholas seems to have disappeared and James CASSIDY is recorded as being married to an Agnes - she is the same age as Nicholas and also born in Scotland. > > I sent for the birth certificate of their son, George CASSIDY, and found his parents are recorded as James CASSIDY and Agnes McMINN - the same name as the mother of Nicholas!!!! > > My thinking is that Nicholas CARTER and Agnes McMINN are the same woman - and she has just decided to go from having a masculine name to a more feminine one, choosing the name of her mother in the process! > > Does anyone have any other ideas? > > Karen > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Karen, The change of forename seems likely to me but why did she change her surname? Unless she was thinking of her mother and automatically gave her surname. Have you obtained her death certificate to see if there are any clues there? However the only death I found on Ancestry was in Drogheda, Ireland in 1898. It might also be interesting to obtain some more birth certificates, that of John in particular as he was born before 1861 where you know she was calling herself Agnes, and I cannot find him on family search as a child of Nicholas or Agnes. An interesting puzzle, I would be interested in the answer if/when you find it. Christine -----Original Message----- From: Karen Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 4:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-LIV] Cassidy / McMinn Mystery! Can anybody help me to shed any light on this situation? My great-great grandfather was James CASSIDY, born 28th Sep 1847 in Liverpool. On his baptism, his parents are listed as James and Nicholas CASSIDY. (Nicholas was a woman!) They are on the 1851 census, where she is listed as 'Nicol.' James & Nicholas were married at Liverpool Register Office in 1846. Her name is recorded as Nicholas CARTER. I then found her birth - in 1821 in Tongland, Kirkcudbrightshire, the daughter of James CARTER and Agnes MCMIN. By 1861, Nicholas seems to have disappeared and James CASSIDY is recorded as being married to an Agnes - she is the same age as Nicholas and also born in Scotland. I sent for the birth certificate of their son, George CASSIDY, and found his parents are recorded as James CASSIDY and Agnes McMINN - the same name as the mother of Nicholas!!!! My thinking is that Nicholas CARTER and Agnes McMINN are the same woman - and she has just decided to go from having a masculine name to a more feminine one, choosing the name of her mother in the process! Does anyone have any other ideas? Karen

It sounds a possible scenario - Nicholas was not an uncommon name for girls in Scotland in the 19c. but not really used in England, so she may have felt she wanted to change. Have you checked her 1821 birth record (on ScotlandsPeople) to see if she was given any other names ? Antony -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Karen Sent: 05 May 2012 16:03 To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-LIV] Cassidy / McMinn Mystery! Can anybody help me to shed any light on this situation? My great-great grandfather was James CASSIDY, born 28th Sep 1847 in Liverpool. On his baptism, his parents are listed as James and Nicholas CASSIDY. (Nicholas was a woman!) They are on the 1851 census, where she is listed as 'Nicol.' James & Nicholas were married at Liverpool Register Office in 1846. Her name is recorded as Nicholas CARTER. I then found her birth - in 1821 in Tongland, Kirkcudbrightshire, the daughter of James CARTER and Agnes MCMIN. By 1861, Nicholas seems to have disappeared and James CASSIDY is recorded as being married to an Agnes - she is the same age as Nicholas and also born in Scotland. I sent for the birth certificate of their son, George CASSIDY, and found his parents are recorded as James CASSIDY and Agnes McMINN - the same name as the mother of Nicholas!!!! My thinking is that Nicholas CARTER and Agnes McMINN are the same woman - and she has just decided to go from having a masculine name to a more feminine one, choosing the name of her mother in the process! Does anyone have any other ideas? Karen ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anybody help me to shed any light on this situation? My great-great grandfather was James CASSIDY, born 28th Sep 1847 in Liverpool. On his baptism, his parents are listed as James and Nicholas CASSIDY. (Nicholas was a woman!) They are on the 1851 census, where she is listed as 'Nicol.' James & Nicholas were married at Liverpool Register Office in 1846. Her name is recorded as Nicholas CARTER. I then found her birth - in 1821 in Tongland, Kirkcudbrightshire, the daughter of James CARTER and Agnes MCMIN. By 1861, Nicholas seems to have disappeared and James CASSIDY is recorded as being married to an Agnes - she is the same age as Nicholas and also born in Scotland. I sent for the birth certificate of their son, George CASSIDY, and found his parents are recorded as James CASSIDY and Agnes McMINN - the same name as the mother of Nicholas!!!! My thinking is that Nicholas CARTER and Agnes McMINN are the same woman - and she has just decided to go from having a masculine name to a more feminine one, choosing the name of her mother in the process! Does anyone have any other ideas? Karen

----- Original Message ----- From: "sally roberts" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 10:53 PM Subject: [ENG-LIV] Lancs OPC update - 8 Mar 2012 > > Hello all, > > Another database has been added to the Lancs OPC website: > http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html > > > 6 March 2012 > > Baptisms 1821 to 1834 and Burials 1776 to 1809 from the Church of St > Thomas, Pendleton > > Regards, > Sally > > > >

Hello all, Today's visit to the OPC website found the following records have been added: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 4 May 2012 Marriages 1917 to 1925 from the Church of St Nathaniel, Platt Bridge, in the Parish of Hindley Banns 1883 to 1900 and Marriages 1885 to 1900 from the Church of St John in the City of Lancaster Marriages 1808 to 1828 and 1837 to 1841 from the Roman Catholic Church of St Joseph (formerly Bedford RC Chapel), Bedford in the Parish of Leigh Baptisms 1869 to 1886 and Marriages 1810 to 1813 from the Church of St Anne Richmond, Liverpool Baptisms 1889 to 1906 and Marriages 1877 to 1913 from All Saints, in the district of Old Swan, Liverpool Baptisms 1766 to 1812 from the Church of St Mary, Oldham Marriages 1864 to 1906 from the Church of Old St George in the Parish of Stalybridge Marriages 1904 to 1910 from St Catharine, Scholes, in the Town of Wigan Marriages 1881 to 1907 from the Church of St Michael and All Angels, Swinley in the Town of Wigan Regards, Sally

Thank you to Maureen and Rhonda for their information that Saint Peter, Liverpool, was in fact,the Church of England in Church Street, Liverpool. Irene

Morning all, This mornings visit to the OPC site found the following records have been added: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 2 May 2012 Baptisms 1850 to 1861 and 1880 to 1889 from the Church of St James, Accrington Banns 1869 to 1873 from the Church of St Paul, Blackburn Marriages 1890 to 1905 from Bradshawgate Wesleyan Methodist Chapel, later Castle St Wesleyan, in the Town of Bolton Marriages 1864 to 1908 from Park Street Methodist, Bolton Baptisms 1653 to 1722 from the Parish of Downham Banns 1858 to 1881 from Immanuel, in the district of Feniscowles, Blackburn Marriages 1875 to 1930 from Delph Hill Wesleyan Methodist Church, Halliwell, Bolton Regards, Sally

Morning listers, This morning's visit to the Lancs OPC website found the following databases have been uploaded: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 1 May 2012 Marriages 1813 to 1820 from the Church of St Peter in the Parish of Burnley Baptisms 1775 to 1779 and Burials 1775 to 1780 from the Church of St Helen in the Parish of Garstang Banns 1882 to 1932 and 1990 to 2011 and Marriages 1843 to 1963, 1977 to 1991 and 2004 to 2012 from the Church of St John the Evangelist, Worsthorne Confirmations 1947 to 2011 from the Church of St John the Evangelist, Worsthorne Regards, Sally