Orkney & Shetland American May 1891 Deaths Goodlad - At Walton Road, Liverpool, on the 25th March, William Goodlad, aged 65 years, for many years in the employment of Messrs Hay & Co. Hope it helps someone David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia

Sandy I have twice sent this to panda bear but no lusk John ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Maddocks" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 4:44 PM Subject: Fw: [ENG-LIV] Fw: Walton Hospital > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Maddocks" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 3:12 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Fw: Walton Hospital > > >> Sorry Sandy >> All I can suggest is to enquire at Liverpool Libaries to >> see if the records of Sefton Hospital still exist www.gov.uk/labaries. >> and go from there ,a list member says that the L DS (mormon Church may >> have records ,try your local branch you will have to pay .the Liverpool >> Libary does not charge for the first 15 minutes of a search,or some body >> on the list might help as they did for me >> John Maddocks New Zealand >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Pandabear11" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 8:38 PM >> Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Fw: Walton Hospital >> >> >>> Hi John sorry to bother you, but seeing that you found a baptism in >>> Walton >>> hospital, I am enquring to see if you can get me a birth record of >>> sefton >>> Hospital, Liverpool or how I can get one, as I have now found out that I >>> was >>> born with a different surname as the one I got now. My mum was already >>> married to her first husband when I was born, but on the GRo I was name >>> Phillips but my birth certificate says Barlow, I need to clarify this, >>> if >>> you can not help me, do you know who can >>> >>> sandy >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Hardy >>> Sent: 15 June 2012 07:52 >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Fw: Walton Hospital Chapel >>> >>> John, >>> >>>>From the Baptism Register, entry 1201. >>> Maddocks, Lilian Emily, born 10th February 1935, baptised 17th March >>> 1935. >>> Daughter of John Edmund and Emily of 76, Abbot Street, Liverpool 5. >>> Fathers occupation, General Porter. >>> Godparents: Edith Roberts, Helena Benson and John Edmund Maddocks. >>> Ceremony performed by John Davies. >>> >>> Regards, >>> John Hardy. >>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: John Maddocks >>>> Subject: Walton Hospital Chapel >>> >>>> Could any kind person advise regarding the Baptism records of Walton >>>> Hospital Chapel,I have been told that a sister was baptised at the >>>> Chapel in Feb March 1935,i am keen to be able to confirm this . >>> John Maddocks New Zealand >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "John Maddocks" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 9:15 PM >>> Subject: [ENG-LIV] Fw: Walton Hospital Chapel >>> >>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: John Maddocks >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 8:47 AM >>>> Subject: Walton Hospital Chapel >>>> >>>> >>>> Could any kind person advise regarding the Baptism records of Walton >>>> Hospital Chapel,I have been told that a sister was baptised at the >>>> Chapel >>>> in Feb March 1935,i am keen to be able to confirm this . >>>> John Maddocks New Zealand >>> >>> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >>> >>> Admin Message - List guidelines: >>> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >>> >>> The list admin can be contacted at >>> [email protected] >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >

Hi Whether a certificate from the GRO is Certified or not does not make a great difference to the cost, a certificate is created by printing a scan of the register held by the GRO onto a pre-printed blank certificate so the only difference is the price of the paper. The GRO does not have the original registers, only copies that were forwarded each quarter by the Local Register office. The way the Local Office handles copy certificate requests varies from office to office. Some offices will scan the original register and print it on to a pre printed blank certificate. In this case you get the original signatures, other offices copy the register entry by hand. Often this is because the Registers are fragile. Andy >-----Original Message----- >From: Lyn >Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 4:10 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Petition re cost of BMD certificates (England & >Wales) >Edwina >"uncertified certificates" when they are available, are very commonly >issued >from Registry Offices - most will send you a photocopy of the actual >register page instead, which has to be actually more accurate than a >"certified copy" which is really just a transcription typed up on a piece >of paper and errors are made. The advantage of the photocopy is that it is >open for you to interpret. In one of our States we have transcription >agents >who go in and transcribe the entry from the register for a cheaper price >than a Certified certificate. They are virtually the same thing but do not >have the official seal on them, plus the transcribers have a matching >service so if anyone else asks for the same certificate they put you in >touch and they will make comments where they see something that might be >useful to know that you wouldn't get on a "Certified Copy". >IMHO Certified Copies are certainly not the be all and end all. >Regards >Lyn >In Oz.

Edwina "uncertified certificates" when they are available, are very commonly issued from Registry Offices - most will send you a photocopy of the actual register page instead, which has to be actually more accurate than a "certified copy" which is really just a transcription typed up on a piece of paper and errors are made. The advantage of the photocopy is that it is open for you to interpret. In one of our States we have transcription agents who go in and transcribe the entry from the register for a cheaper price than a Certified certificate. They are virtually the same thing but do not have the official seal on them, plus the transcribers have a matching service so if anyone else asks for the same certificate they put you in touch and they will make comments where they see something that might be useful to know that you wouldn't get on a "Certified Copy". In Victoria I was sent a photocopy of the complete page from the book - this was very useful to me because I saw that the Registrar was actually my Great Great Grandfather and that he delivered most of the babies on the page as well - he was a surgeon. IMHO Certified Copies are certainly not the be all and end all. Regards Lyn In Oz. > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Edwina Dorset > Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 3:46 PM > To: 'Pat Stanistreet'; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Petition re cost of BMD certificates > (England & Wales) > > Hello Pat > > To the individual historian in each family, I ask you to > think about this... 'Uncertified' Copies of Certificates??? I > agree that the cost of Certificates for Research is very high > and costly, but are we losing sight here that we have to > VALIDATE our research, and be able to PROVE that the person > we have found through research is who we think they are!!! > > Edwina >

Thanks Lynne are there any new records for burials in Liverpool Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 3:24 PM Subject: [ENG-LIV] Lancashire BMD updates - 22 June 2012 > New data from our friends at Lancashire BMD: > > 22 June 2012 > > Added 10,331 Births for Blackburn RD comprising: Darwen (1959-1974) > > Added 7,778 Births for Burnley RD comprising: Colne (1942-1957) > > Amended 35,854 Births for Wigan and Leigh RD to include mother's maiden > name, comprising: Westleigh (1877-1888); Atherton (1837-1864); Leigh > (1905-1911); Hindley (1896-1899); Wigan (West) (West), registers at Wigan > & Leigh (1893-1939) > > Amended 16,130 Births for Rochdale RD to include mother's maiden name, > comprising: Blatchinworth and Calderbrook (1837-1854); Castleton Further > (1837-1851); Castleton Nearer (1837-1851); Heywood (1842-1851) > > Added 27 Marriages for Lancaster RD comprising: Lunesdale, Lowgill, > Methodist Church (1900-2002) > > Added 597 Marriages for Blackburn RD comprising: Blackburn, Methodist > Church (Bentham Rd) (Bentham Rd), registers at Blackburn (1999-2002); > Pleasington, Pleasington Priory (2007-2011); Blackburn, The Church of > Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints Chapel (1997-2010); Darwen, St Joseph's > Church (Bolton Rd) (Bolton Rd), registers at Blackburn (2000-2007); > Belmont, St Peter (2007-2011); Blackburn, St Andrew (1983-2007); Turton, > St Anne (1988-2002) > > ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Many thanks to all responsible! > > Lynne > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virus Database: 2437/5084 - Release Date: 06/21/12 >

New data from our friends at Lancashire BMD: 22 June 2012 Added 10,331 Births for Blackburn RD comprising: Darwen (1959-1974) Added 7,778 Births for Burnley RD comprising: Colne (1942-1957) Amended 35,854 Births for Wigan and Leigh RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Westleigh (1877-1888); Atherton (1837-1864); Leigh (1905-1911); Hindley (1896-1899); Wigan (West) (West), registers at Wigan & Leigh (1893-1939) Amended 16,130 Births for Rochdale RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Blatchinworth and Calderbrook (1837-1854); Castleton Further (1837-1851); Castleton Nearer (1837-1851); Heywood (1842-1851) Added 27 Marriages for Lancaster RD comprising: Lunesdale, Lowgill, Methodist Church (1900-2002) Added 597 Marriages for Blackburn RD comprising: Blackburn, Methodist Church (Bentham Rd) (Bentham Rd), registers at Blackburn (1999-2002); Pleasington, Pleasington Priory (2007-2011); Blackburn, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints Chapel (1997-2010); Darwen, St Joseph's Church (Bolton Rd) (Bolton Rd), registers at Blackburn (2000-2007); Belmont, St Peter (2007-2011); Blackburn, St Andrew (1983-2007); Turton, St Anne (1988-2002) ~ ~ ~ ~ Many thanks to all responsible! Lynne

Hello, Is there anyone researching this family? Joseph Leach married Martha Ireland in Liverpool 1854. Children Sarah E, Robert Joseph, James, John E, William, Martha. 1882 Joseph a widower married Kezia Stoddart in Manchester Robert Joseph went to America around 1882/3. Would like to hear from anyone who might be connected to this family, Kind regards, Beatrice

983 digital, browsable images were added to the existing England, Lancashire, Cheshire, Yorkshire, Parish Registers, 1603-1910 "This collection covers records from the Diocese of Manchester held by the Manchester Archives and Local Studies. The parishes are mainly from the historic county of Lancashire, with a few parishes from Cheshire and Yorkshire. Parish registers contain births, christenings, burials, marriages, and mixed church records." More information about the connection can be found at <https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/England,_Lancashire,_Cheshire,_Yorkshire,_Parish_Registers_%28FamilySearch_Historical_Records%29> or <http://tinyurl.com/7m5bjr3> Enjoy! Lynne

Hello Pat To the individual historian in each family, I ask you to think about this... 'Uncertified' Copies of Certificates??? I agree that the cost of Certificates for Research is very high and costly, but are we losing sight here that we have to VALIDATE our research, and be able to PROVE that the person we have found through research is who we think they are!!! Edwina -----Original Message----- From: Pat Stanistreet [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 21 June 2012 10:26 To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-LIV] Petition re cost of BMD certificates (England & Wales) If you haven't come across this already you may be interested in the following which is on the excellent British Genes blog, concerning a petition to reduce the cost of BMD certificates from the GRO England and Wales. “The idea is to have uncertified copies of certificates for family history research, which have no legal authority, similar to what they do in the Republic of Ireland. These could be obtained at a much lower fee, the price of £2 per certificate is suggested.” The link is < http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/1792 Should also be worth posting on other message boards you subscribe to. Pat

>-----Original Message----- >From: Pat Stanistreet >Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 7:25 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [ENG-LIV] Petition re cost of BMD certificates (England & Wales) >If you haven't come across this already you may be interested >in the following which is on the excellent British Genes blog, >concerning a petition to reduce the cost of BMD certificates from the >GRO England and Wales. >“The >idea is to have uncertified copies of certificates for family >history research, >which have no legal authority, similar to what they do in the >Republic of Ireland. These could be obtained at a much lower >fee, the price of £2 per certificate is suggested.” >The link is < http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/1792 >Should also be worth posting on other message boards you subscribe to. >Pat The difference in printing on plain paper and a certificate is only a few pence, just the difference in the cost of the paper as the procedure would be the same. It would be great if the GRO implemented a system similar to Scotland but in order to do that I few things need to be done. Legislation would need to be changed to allow it. Whilst this would be straightforward it is a matter of priority as to when it would happen. Registers would need to be scanned, my understanding is that the Births up to 1934 & Deaths up to 1957 have been done by the failed D.O.V.E. project, at a cost of 8.7 million pounds, but that the marriages haven't been scanned yet. There would need to be a searchable online index created (some 300 million records) with links to the digitised registers. I think that it would cost several million pounds to implement the system and there is also the job losses that the government would probably want to consider. These could amount to several dozen or more. Andy

Sorry But the folders contain my family history? A gent ( Bill Cook) has sent me a web site where people have had the same trouble, so I will browse the info, Thanks H T

Hi I am running XP and Outlook Express 6, Outlook Express contains folders of family history, ie different names, information etc.from many years ago I have used EXPRESS ASSIST 6 to backup folders, settings etc ( very good) I am now running Win 7, and I have tried to transfer folder etc , but Outlook Express is not in Win7, nor will Express Assist run in Windows 7. Need to transfer and back up ALL my In, Out, folder Win 7, I have been on the net for solutions ( but got completely lost) Thanks in advance H T

Keep trying. I too tried several times but refused to give up, and eventually made it. Regards, tom. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joe Platt Sent: 21 June 2012 12:18 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Petition re cost of BMD certificates (England & Wales) Tried in vain to sign it...........but it won't accept ANY security word even though I typed it in correctly several times What next? Joe Platt Liverpool -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: 21 June 2012 11:47 To: Pat Stanistreet; [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Petition re cost of BMD certificates (England & Wales) >-----Original Message----- >From: Pat Stanistreet >Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 7:25 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [ENG-LIV] Petition re cost of BMD certificates (England & >Wales) >If you haven't come across this already you may be interested in the >following which is on the excellent British Genes blog, concerning a >petition to reduce the cost of BMD certificates from the GRO England >and Wales. >“The >idea is to have uncertified copies of certificates for family history >research, which have no legal authority, similar to what they do in the >Republic of Ireland. These could be obtained at a much lower fee, the >price of £2 per certificate is suggested.” >The link is < http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/1792 >Should also be worth posting on other message boards you subscribe to. >Pat The difference in printing on plain paper and a certificate is only a few pence, just the difference in the cost of the paper as the procedure would be the same. It would be great if the GRO implemented a system similar to Scotland but in order to do that I few things need to be done. Legislation would need to be changed to allow it. Whilst this would be straightforward it is a matter of priority as to when it would happen. Registers would need to be scanned, my understanding is that the Births up to 1934 & Deaths up to 1957 have been done by the failed D.O.V.E. project, at a cost of 8.7 million pounds, but that the marriages haven't been scanned yet. There would need to be a searchable online index created (some 300 million records) with links to the digitised registers. I think that it would cost several million pounds to implement the system and there is also the job losses that the government would probably want to consider. These could amount to several dozen or more. Andy ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tried in vain to sign it...........but it won't accept ANY security word even though I typed it in correctly several times What next? Joe Platt Liverpool -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: 21 June 2012 11:47 To: Pat Stanistreet; [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Petition re cost of BMD certificates (England & Wales) >-----Original Message----- >From: Pat Stanistreet >Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 7:25 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [ENG-LIV] Petition re cost of BMD certificates (England & >Wales) >If you haven't come across this already you may be interested in the >following which is on the excellent British Genes blog, concerning a >petition to reduce the cost of BMD certificates from the GRO England >and Wales. >“The >idea is to have uncertified copies of certificates for family history >research, which have no legal authority, similar to what they do in the >Republic of Ireland. These could be obtained at a much lower fee, the >price of £2 per certificate is suggested.” >The link is < http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/1792 >Should also be worth posting on other message boards you subscribe to. >Pat The difference in printing on plain paper and a certificate is only a few pence, just the difference in the cost of the paper as the procedure would be the same. It would be great if the GRO implemented a system similar to Scotland but in order to do that I few things need to be done. Legislation would need to be changed to allow it. Whilst this would be straightforward it is a matter of priority as to when it would happen. Registers would need to be scanned, my understanding is that the Births up to 1934 & Deaths up to 1957 have been done by the failed D.O.V.E. project, at a cost of 8.7 million pounds, but that the marriages haven't been scanned yet. There would need to be a searchable online index created (some 300 million records) with links to the digitised registers. I think that it would cost several million pounds to implement the system and there is also the job losses that the government would probably want to consider. These could amount to several dozen or more. Andy ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would love to have signed it as I need to order MANY certificates and have stopped doing so but I am a US citizen and can't sign the petition. I know the GRO gets many out of Britain orders. Joan Armistead On Jun 21, 2012, at 5:25 AM, Pat Stanistreet wrote: > If you haven't come across this already you may be interested > in the following which is on the excellent British Genes blog, > concerning a petition to reduce the cost of BMD certificates from the > GRO England and Wales. > > “The > idea is to have uncertified copies of certificates for family > history research, > which have no legal authority, similar to what they do in the > Republic of Ireland. These could be obtained at a much lower > fee, the price of £2 per certificate is suggested.” > > The link is > < http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/1792 > > Should also be worth posting on other message boards you subscribe to. > > Pat > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

H Todd <[email protected]> wrote: > But the folders contain my family history? Yes, but we have to draw the line somewhere. Otherwise, we'd be able to discuss all sorts of peripheral things, including the buses used to transport us to the local family history centre and the cost of wear and tear on our shoe leather. <g> Even though the computer is being used for family history, discussion of specific computer problems is not on topic for Liverpool, LancsGen, or most family history lists. The Computers list, however, was created just for "discussion of the use of, and problems with, computers and computer peripherals in genealogy research, which discussion would be inappropriate on a genealogy list." If the web site Bill kindly suggested doesn't provide the assistance you need, try the Computers list. There are many very knowledgeable, helpful subscribers on the list. If anyone is unsure whether a topic is on or off topic for a list, don't hesitate to ask the list's administrator in advance. The admin of any list can be reached by emailing [email protected], substituting the full list name for "LISTNAME". I think most list admins are fairly lenient about allowing one-time off-topic posts if asked in advance. Best wishes, Lynne list ogre

If you haven't come across this already you may be interested in the following which is on the excellent British Genes blog, concerning a petition to reduce the cost of BMD certificates from the GRO England and Wales. “The idea is to have uncertified copies of certificates for family history research, which have no legal authority, similar to what they do in the Republic of Ireland. These could be obtained at a much lower fee, the price of £2 per certificate is suggested.” The link is < http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/1792 Should also be worth posting on other message boards you subscribe to. Pat

Someone on the COMPUTERS list will be able to assist you with this. List info and subscription links can be found at http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Genealogical_Computing/COMPUTERS.html Best wishes, Lynne -----Original Message----- >From: H Todd <[email protected]> > >Hi > I am running XP and Outlook Express 6, Outlook Express contains folders of family history, ie different names, information etc.from many years ago <snip>

Before posting to other mailing lists, be sure to ask and receive permission of the lists' administrators. These types of posts are not always permitted. Lynne -----Original Message----- > >Should also be worth posting on other message boards you subscribe to. > >Pat

I recently posted to the List about my gg grand aunt Mary Fletcher Clarke born Runcorn in 1847. I have now found that she married a Mr Lewis although I haven't found his full name or a marriage record yet. I have found that she had three children: Harry born about 1871, Sara Mabel born about 1872 and Mary born 1880 all at Liverpool. I have found a marriage at Ormskirk in 1900 for Sara Mabel Lewis and John Drummond which is quite likely to be her. I also see Who I assume to be Mabel on the 1901 census. She is age 28, born Liverpool, living at 2, Radnor Place, West Derby with her husband, John Drummond, physician and surgeon, born about 1870 at Clackmannan. The puzzle is that in the 1911 census John is at the same address but with wife, Elsie born about 1878 at Boyndie in Banff. With them is their daughter, Elsie age 1 born Liverpool. In 1911 Mabel can be found living in Peterborough with 3 children: John Connell Drummond age 9, Harry Moir Drummond age 7 and Mabel Macfarlane Drummond age 4 all born Liverpool. The census describes Mabel as a 38 year old, married, certified midwife. This seems to imply that John and Mabel divorced sometime between 1897 and 1900. Does anyone know anything of Dr John Drummond? David Railton