I just came across this site which may be useful,it may already have been displayed so sorry if its second time around. Anglo German Family History Society.org.Has alot of Liverpool Germans on site with links and books. Anne.

Would a Lister who has access to Find My Past be so kind as to look up the following three entries, and let me know what they find. My subscription has recently expired. MERCHANT NAVY SEAMEN 1835-1941 Last name First name(s) Year of birth Discharge no Place of birth County of birth Transcript MCWILLIAM Alan 1909 115011 Liverpool Lancashire VIEW MCWILLIAM A 1115011 VIEW MCWILLIAM A 1115011 VIEW As always, I'll be extremely grateful for your help. Thanks, David

Hello all, This morning's visit to the OPC website found the following records have been added: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 13 August 2012 Baptisms 1831 to 1837 from All Saints, in the District of Newton Heath, Manchester Regards, Sally

David Just over a year ago, TNA put their naturalisation catalogue on-line. Is this your guy, Diedrich Schroder resident in Liverpool in 1879? http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATID=5066933&CATLN=6&Highlight=%2CSCHRODER&accessmethod=0 In getting my Geordie born ethnically German Grandfather's line out of England and onto German records, I found that I had to trace him every inch of the way, turning over every possibly stone rather than trying to jump the North Sea in one go. Records in Germany are very decentralised. The German Empire didn't come into existence until 1871, and eve then it had a Federal structure. Hannover became part of the Kingdom of Prussia in 1866. The Hanoverian Monarchy separated from the British Monarchy in 1837 because Salic Law meant that Victoria couldn't inherit Hanover because she was a female. Saxony (Sachsen) was split between Prussia and autonomous states. Wikipedia has articles on the subject. The Lutheran Church has realised that their records are a source of income and they have their own archives who will undertake research for a fee (Their charges are reasonable). If you ever want to engage the services of a record agent in Germany, use the Association of Professional Genealogist's website to locate one. I'm not surprised to hear that the "Germany" list is quiet. You will need to subscribe to a more specific List. The Prussia List is quite helpful and for the reasons above, will cover Hanover. There are people on it who will help with transcribing scans of old German records. The Family Search website has a guide to the old German script. Also, bear in mind that the German alphabet has 5 extra letters - ä, ë, ö, ü and ß (a double S). They affect indexing. My Grandfather's surname was Kunde which in a German index comes AFTER Künder because of the umlaut on the U. And don't forget, In German, Hannover is spelled with a double N which will help you find microfilms in the LDS catalogue - there are plenty of microfilms of church records for Hannover in the LDS catalogue. (Abbreviations and bad hand-writing are a bigger problem than the lack of German). Good Hunting David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: David Railton To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 2:48 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] German ancestry Liz, Thanks for your reply. I have just been on Family Search looking at Germany, Births and Baptisms, 1558-1898. Unfortunately nothing there for the person I am looking for: Dietrich Schroder, born Hanover, 1831, son of Frederick Schroder. I now need to find if any records held in Hanover can be viewed on-line, and in English. David

Some listers say that I may not have answered queries they have made in response to my original post. In case my replies have not arrived at the list, I am sending a pasted copy here. To all who replied to my original query today; Thank you. The Father on Alan's marriage certificate is shown on as William Alan McWILLIAM a seafarer. There is no place of birth on Alan's death certificate. Anecdotally (from my Mother since deceased) Alan was an orphan, and he came from somewhere in Ireland. I wonder if he became an orphan in Ireland whether he was brought by the church to Liverpool and confirmed as a Catholic when his origins may have been Protestant? Would that mean that he would never have been baptised as a catholic? Presbyterian would certainly be a possibility then. I have subscriptions to both Ancestry and Irish census records, but have been unable to find any coherent references to Alan or his Father. Joannis Baker is not a name which has ever been mentioned as connected with any member of the family. Many listers have said that this would be John Baker. Is that a translation or a presumed fact? Was Sacred Heart church in Hall Lane, Kensington the only one in Liverpool that bore that name? As usual, there are more questions than answers, and any further help will be equally appreciated. David

interesting thread, I have a Henry Oldenbottle b Germany circa 1816 who move via London to Liverpool where he worked as a sugar refiner. Quite a few Germans came across as sugar refiners and are on the sugarbakers database, i'm guessing that David has already see that online? David Carr On 14 Aug 2012, at 21:23, David Railton wrote: Lynne, That looks like a very useful list. I will make a start on it tomorrow. ....and I have just realised that Niedersachsen is Lower Saxony! Is Lower Saxony Part of Saxony or is it a different place? David -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: 14 August 2012 20:40 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] German ancestry Hello David Some relevant lists that have had recent activity: GEN-DE (http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Newsgroup_Gateways/GEN-DE.ht ml), GERMAN-SURNAMES (http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/DEU/GERMAN-SURNAMES.html, NIEDERSACHSEN (http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/DEU/NIEDERSACHSEN.html), DEU-OLDENBURG (http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/DEU/DEU-OLDENBURG.html), SAXONY (http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/DEU/SAXONY.html), and SAXONY_ROOTS (http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/DEU/SAXONY_ROOTS.html). Don't forget about the location boards: Localities > Central Europe > Germany (http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.ceeurope.germany/mb.ashx) Kind regards, Lynne -----Original Message----- > > Has anyone on the list done any research on German ancestry. > > > > I have a couple who settled in Liverpool having married in London in 1855. > They must have arrived from Germany a few years earlier. The marriage > record shows that both were born in about 1831, one in Hanover and the > other in Oldenburg. > > > > I have father's names and trades from the marriage certificate. > > > > Can anyone please point me in the direction of information as to how to > find ancestry in Germany? > > > > I have subscribed to the Rootsweb list for Germany but later found that > there had been no activity on it for a number of years. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Anglo-German FHS are very helpful. http://www.agfhs.org/   Joan     ________________________________ From: David Railton <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 14 August 2012, 19:00 Subject: [ENG-LIV] German ancestry Has anyone on the list done any research on German ancestry. I have a couple who settled in Liverpool having married in London in 1855. They must have arrived from Germany a few years earlier. The marriage record shows that both were born in about 1831, one in Hanover and the other in Oldenburg. I have father's names and trades from the marriage certificate. Can anyone please point me in the direction of information as to how to find ancestry in Germany? I have subscribed to the Rootsweb list for Germany but later found that there had been no activity on it for a number of years. David ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected]  ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Angelika. David -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Angelika Sent: 14 August 2012 21:45 To: [email protected] Subject: [!! SPAM] Re: [ENG-LIV] German ancestry On 14/08/2012 21:23, David Railton wrote: > Is Lower Saxony Part of Saxony or is it a different place? > Different place. There are three (modern-day) federal states with "Sachsen" in the name - Niedersachsen, Sachsen-Anhalt and Sachsen. Sachsen-Anhalt borders onto both Niedersachsen and Sachsen, but Niedersachsen and Sachsen are a fair way from each other. Here is a map: http://www.deutsche-staedte.de/bundeslaender_fr.html And to get back to your original post - you need to be aware that there are two towns called Oldenburg. One ("Oldenburg in Oldenburg") is in Lower Saxony (near the Dutch border), the other one ("Oldenburg in Holstein") is in the state of Schleswig-Holstein. They are both a fair way from Hanover (170 and 260 km respectively), so you should keep an open mind as to which of the two your ancestor came from. Angelika ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 14/08/2012 21:23, David Railton wrote: > Is Lower Saxony Part of Saxony or is it a different place? > Different place. There are three (modern-day) federal states with "Sachsen" in the name - Niedersachsen, Sachsen-Anhalt and Sachsen. Sachsen-Anhalt borders onto both Niedersachsen and Sachsen, but Niedersachsen and Sachsen are a fair way from each other. Here is a map: http://www.deutsche-staedte.de/bundeslaender_fr.html And to get back to your original post - you need to be aware that there are two towns called Oldenburg. One ("Oldenburg in Oldenburg") is in Lower Saxony (near the Dutch border), the other one ("Oldenburg in Holstein") is in the state of Schleswig-Holstein. They are both a fair way from Hanover (170 and 260 km respectively), so you should keep an open mind as to which of the two your ancestor came from. Angelika

Lynne, That looks like a very useful list. I will make a start on it tomorrow. ....and I have just realised that Niedersachsen is Lower Saxony! Is Lower Saxony Part of Saxony or is it a different place? David -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: 14 August 2012 20:40 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] German ancestry Hello David Some relevant lists that have had recent activity: GEN-DE (http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Newsgroup_Gateways/GEN-DE.ht ml), GERMAN-SURNAMES (http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/DEU/GERMAN-SURNAMES.html, NIEDERSACHSEN (http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/DEU/NIEDERSACHSEN.html), DEU-OLDENBURG (http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/DEU/DEU-OLDENBURG.html), SAXONY (http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/DEU/SAXONY.html), and SAXONY_ROOTS (http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/DEU/SAXONY_ROOTS.html). Don't forget about the location boards: Localities > Central Europe > Germany (http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.ceeurope.germany/mb.ashx) Kind regards, Lynne -----Original Message----- > >Has anyone on the list done any research on German ancestry. > > > >I have a couple who settled in Liverpool having married in London in 1855. >They must have arrived from Germany a few years earlier. The marriage >record shows that both were born in about 1831, one in Hanover and the >other in Oldenburg. > > > >I have father's names and trades from the marriage certificate. > > > >Can anyone please point me in the direction of information as to how to >find ancestry in Germany? > > > >I have subscribed to the Rootsweb list for Germany but later found that >there had been no activity on it for a number of years. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To all who replied to my original query today; Thank you. The Father on Alan's marriage certificate is shown on as William Alan McWILLIAM a seafarer. There is no place of birth on Alan's death certificate. Anecdotally (from my Mother since deceased) Alan was an orphan, and he came from somewhere in Ireland. I wonder if he became an orphan in Ireland whether he was brought by the church to Liverpool and confirmed as a Catholic when his origins may have been Protestant? Would that mean that he would never have been baptised as a catholic? Presbyterian would certainly be a possibility then. I have subscriptions to both Ancestry and Irish census records, but have been unable to find any coherent references to Alan or his Father. Joannis Baker is not a name which has ever been mentioned as connected with any member of the family. Many listers have said that this would be John Baker. Is that a translation or a presumed fact? Was Sacred Heart church in Hall Lane, Kensington the only one in Liverpool that bore that name? As usual, there are more questions than answers, and any further help will be equally appreciated. David

Liz, Thanks for your reply. I have just been on Family Search looking at Germany, Births and Baptisms, 1558-1898. Unfortunately nothing there for the person I am looking for: Dietrich Schroder, born Hanover, 1831, son of Frederick Schroder. I now need to find if any records held in Hanover can be viewed on-line, and in English. David -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 14 August 2012 19:25 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] German ancestry My research on this site, 8 or 9 years ago, was very productive, up to 1885. And back to the 16th C. I ordered films from Germany and Hungary, and now that can be done online and delivered to the Clayton Geneaology Library here in Houston I recently went back to the LDS site, and it's totally revamped. There are entries from Germany into the 20th century. Good luck!Liz ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Roger <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] German ancestry Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 19:08:40 +0100 You could try the LDS site at https://familysearch.org/ I have found some German relations from early 1800s there! Roger On 14/08/2012 19:00, David Railton wrote: > Has anyone on the list done any research on German ancestry. > > > > I have a couple who settled in Liverpool having married in London in 1855. > They must have arrived from Germany a few years earlier. The marriage > record shows that both were born in about 1831, one in Hanover and the > other in Oldenburg. > > > > I have father's names and trades from the marriage certificate. > > > > Can anyone please point me in the direction of information as to how > to find ancestry in Germany? > > > > I have subscribed to the Rootsweb list for Germany but later found > that there had been no activity on it for a number of years. > > > > David > > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________ Refinance for 2.125%/3.181% APR Loans under 729K usually qualify for US GOV backed refinance programs http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/502a985a6a853185a035ast03duc ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for reply Anthony, The marriage certificate shows his Father as William Alan McWILLIAM deceased, a seafarer. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Antony Marr" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Catholic Confirmation - Alan McWILLIAM > David > > What does the 1939 marriage certificate say about the name/occupation of his > father ? > > Antony > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David McWilliam > Sent: 14 August 2012 10:11 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [ENG-LIV] Catholic Confirmation - Alan McWILLIAM > > Any Lister who may be able to help please? > > Using "Ancestry" I have located a Catholic confirmation in Liverpool on 27 > May 1919 for Alan McWILLIAM The Parish is shown as Sacred Heart. > His nomine patrinorum (which I understand to be his Godparent) is > transcribed as Joannis BAKER. > His nomina imposita in confirmatione (which I understand to be a name > imposed upon him at the confirmation) is shown as Paulus. > > This is the nearest match I have ever found, in many years of searching, to > my Father named as Alan Paul McWILLIAM b. abt 1910. d. 1945. > > So the questions I need help with are: > 1.. Where or what is Sacred Heart? > 2.. Who would Joannis (sic) Baker be? > 3.. How can I further this research with the Catholic Church? > I have very little documentary evidence of my Father's existence other than > his Marriage Certificate to my Mother in 1939, and his Death Certificate > from 1945. > I have visited his place of death in Withnell Pulmonary Hospital, and have > found his unmarked grave in Thornton Garden of Rest. > > There is some limited anecdotal evidence, but I have drawn a blank since the > death of my Mother in 1997. > > Any advice or assistance would be greatly appreciated from anyone on the > list, and I thank everyone in advance. > > David > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Roger. I did not think of Family Search. David -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Roger Sent: 14 August 2012 19:09 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] German ancestry You could try the LDS site at https://familysearch.org/ I have found some German relations from early 1800s there! Roger On 14/08/2012 19:00, David Railton wrote: > Has anyone on the list done any research on German ancestry. > > > > I have a couple who settled in Liverpool having married in London in 1855. > They must have arrived from Germany a few years earlier. The marriage > record shows that both were born in about 1831, one in Hanover and the > other in Oldenburg. > > > > I have father's names and trades from the marriage certificate. > > > > Can anyone please point me in the direction of information as to how > to find ancestry in Germany? > > > > I have subscribed to the Rootsweb list for Germany but later found > that there had been no activity on it for a number of years. > > > > David > > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You could try the LDS site at https://familysearch.org/ I have found some German relations from early 1800s there! Roger On 14/08/2012 19:00, David Railton wrote: > Has anyone on the list done any research on German ancestry. > > > > I have a couple who settled in Liverpool having married in London in 1855. > They must have arrived from Germany a few years earlier. The marriage record > shows that both were born in about 1831, one in Hanover and the other in > Oldenburg. > > > > I have father's names and trades from the marriage certificate. > > > > Can anyone please point me in the direction of information as to how to find > ancestry in Germany? > > > > I have subscribed to the Rootsweb list for Germany but later found that > there had been no activity on it for a number of years. > > > > David > > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Has anyone on the list done any research on German ancestry. I have a couple who settled in Liverpool having married in London in 1855. They must have arrived from Germany a few years earlier. The marriage record shows that both were born in about 1831, one in Hanover and the other in Oldenburg. I have father's names and trades from the marriage certificate. Can anyone please point me in the direction of information as to how to find ancestry in Germany? I have subscribed to the Rootsweb list for Germany but later found that there had been no activity on it for a number of years. David

My research on this site, 8 or 9 years ago, was very productive, up to 1885. And back to the 16th C. I ordered films from Germany and Hungary, and now that can be done online and delivered to the Clayton Geneaology Library here in Houston I recently went back to the LDS site, and it's totally revamped. There are entries from Germany into the 20th century. Good luck!Liz ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Roger <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] German ancestry Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 19:08:40 +0100 You could try the LDS site at https://familysearch.org/ I have found some German relations from early 1800s there! Roger On 14/08/2012 19:00, David Railton wrote: > Has anyone on the list done any research on German ancestry. > > > > I have a couple who settled in Liverpool having married in London in 1855. > They must have arrived from Germany a few years earlier. The marriage record > shows that both were born in about 1831, one in Hanover and the other in > Oldenburg. > > > > I have father's names and trades from the marriage certificate. > > > > Can anyone please point me in the direction of information as to how to find > ancestry in Germany? > > > > I have subscribed to the Rootsweb list for Germany but later found that > there had been no activity on it for a number of years. > > > > David > > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________ Refinance for 2.125%/3.181% APR Loans under 729K usually qualify for US GOV backed refinance programs http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/502a985a6a853185a035ast03duc

David, You can view my video on doing German research. http://tinyurl.com/5twb3y6 There are specific mail lists for Hanover and Oldenburg that might have a little more traffic. http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/DEU/DEU-HAMBURG.html http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/DEU/DEU-OLDENBURG.html At 01:20 PM 8/14/2012, you wrote: >From: "David Railton" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Subject: [ENG-LIV] German ancestry > >Has anyone on the list done any research on German ancestry. > >I have a couple who settled in Liverpool having married in London in 1855. >They must have arrived from Germany a few years earlier. The marriage record >shows that both were born in about 1831, one in Hanover and the other in >Oldenburg. > >I have father's names and trades from the marriage certificate. > >Can anyone please point me in the direction of information as to how to find >ancestry in Germany? > >I have subscribed to the Rootsweb list for Germany but later found that >there had been no activity on it for a number of years. > >David ____________________________________________________________ Frenzy Over New Diet Pill Stores Across U.S. Sold Out of This New &#39;Miracle&#39; Weight Loss Pill. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/502ac5d67e14945d548c7st01vuc

Hello David Some relevant lists that have had recent activity: GEN-DE (http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Newsgroup_Gateways/GEN-DE.html), GERMAN-SURNAMES (http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/DEU/GERMAN-SURNAMES.html, NIEDERSACHSEN (http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/DEU/NIEDERSACHSEN.html), DEU-OLDENBURG (http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/DEU/DEU-OLDENBURG.html), SAXONY (http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/DEU/SAXONY.html), and SAXONY_ROOTS (http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/DEU/SAXONY_ROOTS.html). Don't forget about the location boards: Localities > Central Europe > Germany (http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.ceeurope.germany/mb.ashx) Kind regards, Lynne -----Original Message----- > >Has anyone on the list done any research on German ancestry. > > > >I have a couple who settled in Liverpool having married in London in 1855. >They must have arrived from Germany a few years earlier. The marriage record >shows that both were born in about 1831, one in Hanover and the other in >Oldenburg. > > > >I have father's names and trades from the marriage certificate. > > > >Can anyone please point me in the direction of information as to how to find >ancestry in Germany? > > > >I have subscribed to the Rootsweb list for Germany but later found that >there had been no activity on it for a number of years.

As already said you haven't given any details that are on the Wedding Cert . but could he read and write ? The only reason I say that is that whilst having a quick search for the name on the limited free searches I use , I happened to notice the name McQuillan and  varients such as McQuillian (with an extra i )  which seems quite a popular name in Lancs . Also with single L's .   That name could easily sound like McWilliam when spoken .   Having said that I can't spot an Alan but may be worth taking into account if you haven't already done it  , especially when searching earlier generations .   David   --- On Tue, 8/14/12, Christine Benson <[email protected]> wrote: From: Christine Benson <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Catholic Confirmation - Alan McWILLIAM To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, August 14, 2012, 1:58 PM Hi David, I can't answer your questions but you don't give details of his birth so I presume you don't know it. You don't give his father's name from the marriage certificate, that and father's occupation might be useful. Also does it give place of birth on the death certificate. Of course that info is only as good as the supplier of the info knows. I have found a birth in Dublin, Ireland in Aug 1907, parents John and Clare. But that says Presbyterian. Is that a possibility? Also there is an Allen McWilliam b c 1910 on the New York passenger lists on 3 occasions in 1926. He is a crew member, employed as a pantry assistant. Also an Alan McWilliam who is a merchant but his address appears to be London so I have not looked closely at him. Hope this helps Christine -----Original Message----- From: David McWilliam Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 10:11 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-LIV] Catholic Confirmation - Alan McWILLIAM Any Lister who may be able to help please? Using "Ancestry" I have located a Catholic confirmation in Liverpool on 27 May 1919 for Alan McWILLIAM The Parish is shown as Sacred Heart. His nomine patrinorum (which I understand to be his Godparent) is transcribed as Joannis BAKER. His nomina imposita in confirmatione (which I understand to be a name imposed upon him at the confirmation) is shown as Paulus. This is the nearest match I have ever found, in many years of searching, to my Father named as Alan Paul McWILLIAM b. abt 1910. d. 1945. So the questions I need help with are:   1.. Where or what is Sacred Heart?   2.. Who would Joannis (sic) Baker be?   3.. How can I further this research with the Catholic Church? I have very little documentary evidence of my Father's existence other than his Marriage Certificate to my Mother in 1939, and his Death Certificate from 1945. I have visited his place of death in Withnell Pulmonary Hospital, and have found his unmarked grave in Thornton Garden of Rest. There is some limited anecdotal evidence, but I have drawn a blank since the death of my Mother in 1997. Any advice or assistance would be greatly appreciated from anyone on the list, and I thank everyone in advance. David ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected]  ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message