Anthony, Thank you for your reply. I can find no record of the birth of the children either with the name Lewis or Clarke. A late 1860 marriage (if there was one) and a claim of being widowed in 1890/91. I was not clear about this. I should have said that the earliest she could have married was 1864 just after she was witness at her brother's wedding which implies a marriage sometime between 1864 and 1871. That is if her children were born in wedlock. This can be refined further if she was a widow in 1891 and if she had had 23 years of marriage. This would imply her 'husband' died between 1887 and 1891. David -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Antony Marr Sent: 18 August 2012 16:01 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Brick wall - looking for suggestions David Have you obtained birth certificates for any of her children born in the 1870s ...to see who is named as the father (and also will give an address for her ) ? Also the 1911 census - the "marriage lasted" entry of 23 years would imply a marriage in 1888 - long after the children were born. It may be she has entered the length her marriage lasted i.e. at the time she was widowed - so maybe a marriage in the late 1860s, and husband died just before 1891 (when she is shown as a widow). Antony -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Railton Sent: 18 August 2012 15:22 To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-LIV] Brick wall - looking for suggestions Mary Fletcher CLARKE was born at Runcorn in 1847. She was of a Liverpool family - her father was temporarily working there at that time. She can be found in Liverpool in the 1851 and the 1861 census living with her parents. The last record I have of her as a single woman was in 1864 when she was witness to her brother's wedding in Liverpool. I next find her in the 1881 census living at Garden Lane, Everton. She is shown as Mary F Lewis and described as married and 'wife'. With her are her 3 children: Harry Lewis b1871, Mabel Sara Lewis born 1873 and Mary Lewis born 1880. There is a Mary Lewis of about the right age living in Liverpool as a lodger. She is described as an unmarried seamstress. I have no reason to suppose it is her but if it was it would not take my search any further. In the 1891 census she is living with her children at Lower Bebington and is described as a widow. In 1901 she is living with her son in Wallasey. In 1911 she is with her daughter in Peterborough. The 1911 census states that she had married 23 years previously which implies about 1868. Mary died at Wallasey in 1935. Her death certificate describes her as the widow of Henry Charles Lewis, a cotton broker. I cannot find any reference to Charles in the census and I can't find a record of his birth or death. I also can't find a record of a marriage of their marriage. >From the time of her supposed marriage she seems to have adequate >finances and described herself of independent means; this cannot have come from her parents. Also, apart from the times she was living with her children she was living in and owning what would probably be described as middle class homes. I think that the most likely explanation is that she had relationship outside of marriage with someone who was able to adequately support her and her children. Quite possibly the name of the father of her children was not Lewis. If he supported her but would not marry her I would have thought that he would not want her to use his name. I have come to a full stop on this and am looking for any suggestions anyone may have as to how to pursue this further. I have found a number of descendants of Mary but so far I have only managed to make contact with one of them. This person has not yet been forthcoming with information and I doubt that they would know who 'Mr Lewis' was. There is no probate documentation for Mary. David Railton ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Anne, No record of the births have been found with the name Lewis or Clarke. David -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Anne Peat Sent: 18 August 2012 15:38 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Brick wall - looking for suggestions What do the birth certificates of her children say about their parentage? On 18 Aug 2012, at 15:21, David Railton wrote: > Mary Fletcher CLARKE was born at Runcorn in 1847. She was of a > Liverpool family - her father was temporarily working there at that time. > > > > > I next find her in the 1881 census living at Garden Lane, Everton. She > is shown as Mary F Lewis and described as married and 'wife'. With her > are her > 3 children: Harry Lewis b1871, Mabel Sara Lewis born 1873 and Mary > Lewis born 1880. There is a Mary Lewis of about the right age living > in Liverpool as a lodger. She is described as an unmarried seamstress. > I have no reason to suppose it is her but if it was it would not take my search any further. > > > > In the 1891 census she is living with her children at Lower Bebington > and is described as a widow. In 1901 she is living with her son in > Wallasey. In > 1911 she is with her daughter in Peterborough. The 1911 census states > that she had married 23 years previously which implies about 1868. > > > > Mary died at Wallasey in 1935. Her death certificate describes her as > the widow of Henry Charles Lewis, a cotton broker. I cannot find any > reference to Charles in the census and I can't find a record of his > birth or death. I also can't find a record of a marriage of their marriage. > > > > > David Railton > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

David Have you obtained birth certificates for any of her children born in the 1870s ...to see who is named as the father (and also will give an address for her ) ? Also the 1911 census - the "marriage lasted" entry of 23 years would imply a marriage in 1888 - long after the children were born. It may be she has entered the length her marriage lasted i.e. at the time she was widowed - so maybe a marriage in the late 1860s, and husband died just before 1891 (when she is shown as a widow). Antony -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Railton Sent: 18 August 2012 15:22 To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-LIV] Brick wall - looking for suggestions Mary Fletcher CLARKE was born at Runcorn in 1847. She was of a Liverpool family - her father was temporarily working there at that time. She can be found in Liverpool in the 1851 and the 1861 census living with her parents. The last record I have of her as a single woman was in 1864 when she was witness to her brother's wedding in Liverpool. I next find her in the 1881 census living at Garden Lane, Everton. She is shown as Mary F Lewis and described as married and 'wife'. With her are her 3 children: Harry Lewis b1871, Mabel Sara Lewis born 1873 and Mary Lewis born 1880. There is a Mary Lewis of about the right age living in Liverpool as a lodger. She is described as an unmarried seamstress. I have no reason to suppose it is her but if it was it would not take my search any further. In the 1891 census she is living with her children at Lower Bebington and is described as a widow. In 1901 she is living with her son in Wallasey. In 1911 she is with her daughter in Peterborough. The 1911 census states that she had married 23 years previously which implies about 1868. Mary died at Wallasey in 1935. Her death certificate describes her as the widow of Henry Charles Lewis, a cotton broker. I cannot find any reference to Charles in the census and I can't find a record of his birth or death. I also can't find a record of a marriage of their marriage. >From the time of her supposed marriage she seems to have adequate >finances and described herself of independent means; this cannot have come from her parents. Also, apart from the times she was living with her children she was living in and owning what would probably be described as middle class homes. I think that the most likely explanation is that she had relationship outside of marriage with someone who was able to adequately support her and her children. Quite possibly the name of the father of her children was not Lewis. If he supported her but would not marry her I would have thought that he would not want her to use his name. I have come to a full stop on this and am looking for any suggestions anyone may have as to how to pursue this further. I have found a number of descendants of Mary but so far I have only managed to make contact with one of them. This person has not yet been forthcoming with information and I doubt that they would know who 'Mr Lewis' was. There is no probate documentation for Mary. David Railton ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What do the birth certificates of her children say about their parentage? On 18 Aug 2012, at 15:21, David Railton wrote: > Mary Fletcher CLARKE was born at Runcorn in 1847. She was of a Liverpool > family - her father was temporarily working there at that time. > > > > > I next find her in the 1881 census living at Garden Lane, Everton. She is > shown as Mary F Lewis and described as married and 'wife'. With her are her > 3 children: Harry Lewis b1871, Mabel Sara Lewis born 1873 and Mary Lewis > born 1880. There is a Mary Lewis of about the right age living in Liverpool > as a lodger. She is described as an unmarried seamstress. I have no reason > to suppose it is her but if it was it would not take my search any further. > > > > In the 1891 census she is living with her children at Lower Bebington and is > described as a widow. In 1901 she is living with her son in Wallasey. In > 1911 she is with her daughter in Peterborough. The 1911 census states that > she had married 23 years previously which implies about 1868. > > > > Mary died at Wallasey in 1935. Her death certificate describes her as the > widow of Henry Charles Lewis, a cotton broker. I cannot find any reference > to Charles in the census and I can't find a record of his birth or death. I > also can't find a record of a marriage of their marriage. > > > > > David Railton >

Mary Fletcher CLARKE was born at Runcorn in 1847. She was of a Liverpool family - her father was temporarily working there at that time. She can be found in Liverpool in the 1851 and the 1861 census living with her parents. The last record I have of her as a single woman was in 1864 when she was witness to her brother's wedding in Liverpool. I next find her in the 1881 census living at Garden Lane, Everton. She is shown as Mary F Lewis and described as married and 'wife'. With her are her 3 children: Harry Lewis b1871, Mabel Sara Lewis born 1873 and Mary Lewis born 1880. There is a Mary Lewis of about the right age living in Liverpool as a lodger. She is described as an unmarried seamstress. I have no reason to suppose it is her but if it was it would not take my search any further. In the 1891 census she is living with her children at Lower Bebington and is described as a widow. In 1901 she is living with her son in Wallasey. In 1911 she is with her daughter in Peterborough. The 1911 census states that she had married 23 years previously which implies about 1868. Mary died at Wallasey in 1935. Her death certificate describes her as the widow of Henry Charles Lewis, a cotton broker. I cannot find any reference to Charles in the census and I can't find a record of his birth or death. I also can't find a record of a marriage of their marriage. >From the time of her supposed marriage she seems to have adequate finances and described herself of independent means; this cannot have come from her parents. Also, apart from the times she was living with her children she was living in and owning what would probably be described as middle class homes. I think that the most likely explanation is that she had relationship outside of marriage with someone who was able to adequately support her and her children. Quite possibly the name of the father of her children was not Lewis. If he supported her but would not marry her I would have thought that he would not want her to use his name. I have come to a full stop on this and am looking for any suggestions anyone may have as to how to pursue this further. I have found a number of descendants of Mary but so far I have only managed to make contact with one of them. This person has not yet been forthcoming with information and I doubt that they would know who 'Mr Lewis' was. There is no probate documentation for Mary. David Railton

David, You do know that Lewis and Clarke are two very famous names in the USA. In 1804 they traveled up the Missouri river, over the Rocky Mountains and down the Snake and Columbia Rivers to the Pacific Ocean. Since the 1871 census clearly states they were born in Liverpool, here are some possibles: Births Mar 1872 LEWIS Leonard Harry Liverpool 8b 181 Births Jun 1873 Lewis Margaret Sarah Liverpool 8b 4 Births Jun 1880 LEWIS Mary Liverpool 8b 11 At 11:11 AM 8/18/2012, you wrote: >From: "David Railton" <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Brick wall - looking for suggestions > >Anthony, > >Thank you for your reply. > >I can find no record of the birth of the children either with the name Lewis >or Clarke. ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/502fd7624b512576145ebst04duc

David It is quite normal for a large number of people to be confirmed at once - if I remember correctly my whole class from school were confirmed together (which was about 40 children).The service is traditionally performed by a bishop rather than the local priest, so you have to wait for him to come to the church, and that may only be an annual occurrence, so in a large parish there could be quite a queue of people waiting. To be confirmed, you have to be have been baptised into the Catholic church - whether that was accepted on the word of the parents or a baptism certificate had to be produced would I suppose be a matter for the procedure of the local priest/diocese. I would suspect that "proof" would only be requested where a child was from a family not well known to the priest, or who had recently moved into the parish. When my children were baptised 20+ years ago, the priest gave us certificates of baptism for exactly this sort of situation and I was indeed subsequently asked to produce them a few years later when I applied for them to go to a Catholic primary school in another area. Hope that helps Antony -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David McWilliam Sent: 17 August 2012 23:06 To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-LIV] Alan McWILLIAM - Catholic Confirmation On 27th. May 1919, I have identified (from Ancestry) a total of 516 Confirmations which took place in Sacred Heart Parish, officiated by Thomas Whiteside; The Archbishop of Liverpool; including the one for the above named who may be my Father. Can any Lister help to explain how so many confirmations could be done in one day? I don't know anything about the ceremony. How long did each Confirmation take to perform. What exactly happened to each person? Would each person who was confirmed need to prove that he or she had previously been baptised? I hope someone can provide some answers. Thanks again. David ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, In my local church the Bishop sits in a central position at the front of the church, those waiting to be confirmed queue two abreast down the aisle and in turn each pair kneels before the bishop holding a card with their name on it, the Bishop says your name and a few words of blessing to each one and the pair move away for the next pair to kneel. It takes just a minute or so for each one. It is a condition that you have to present your baptism certificate, or at least say where you were baptised prior to confirmation. Hope this helps. Regards, Tom. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David McWilliam Sent: 17 August 2012 23:06 To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-LIV] Alan McWILLIAM - Catholic Confirmation On 27th. May 1919, I have identified (from Ancestry) a total of 516 Confirmations which took place in Sacred Heart Parish, officiated by Thomas Whiteside; The Archbishop of Liverpool; including the one for the above named who may be my Father. Can any Lister help to explain how so many confirmations could be done in one day? I don't know anything about the ceremony. How long did each Confirmation take to perform. What exactly happened to each person? Would each person who was confirmed need to prove that he or she had previously been baptised? I hope someone can provide some answers. Thanks again. David ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 27th. May 1919, I have identified (from Ancestry) a total of 516 Confirmations which took place in Sacred Heart Parish, officiated by Thomas Whiteside; The Archbishop of Liverpool; including the one for the above named who may be my Father. Can any Lister help to explain how so many confirmations could be done in one day? I don't know anything about the ceremony. How long did each Confirmation take to perform. What exactly happened to each person? Would each person who was confirmed need to prove that he or she had previously been baptised? I hope someone can provide some answers. Thanks again. David

The LDS Research Guides have been replaced by Wiki Family Search < https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Browse_by_Country > David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred H Held To: [email protected] ; [email protected] ; David Railton Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] German ancestry David, If you want a PDF copy of the LDS German Research Guide, I can supply it. (They now only have it for sale on FamilySearch.)

Thank you to all who have replied to my query on this subject. I have been almost overwhelmed by helpful information. It will take me some time to follow up all the leads I have been given. David Railton

Hello Tony The only suggestion I can make is you try researching the master mariner connection. There is a research guide I found by googling that may be useful: http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/UK19thCSeamen.html Good luck Marion, Sussex -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tony O'Grady Sent: 16 August 2012 22:58 To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-LIV] JOSEPH SEWELL I am hoping that someone on the list may be able to provide with some information or advice regarding JOSEPH SEWELL of Liverpool. His daughter ANN SEWELL married PETER SUMPTON (master mariner) at St. Peters on 22 December 1827, Ann was recorded as a minor married with the consent of her father, JOSEPH SEWELL. Ann's death record in 1836 suggests that she was born in 1808. I am looking for further information on Joseph and his wife. I have found a JOSEPH SEWELL in the 1832 Poll Book who was also a master mariner giving him a possible link with Peter Sumpton - and many others in Liverpool!. He lived in "Robert Street North." The only other promising record that I have found is in the 1841 census. This was JOSEPH SEWELL (68), mariner, and his wife, Ann (65). They lived at Workington (I could not read the street name which was something like Prustgate). There was also a WILLIAM GLOVER (7) in the house. This couple could have been the JOSEPH SEWELL and ANN SIMON who married at Workington on 13 November 1794. At the moment I have no established fact other than the father's name. I would be delighted if anyone could provide me with any assistance on this family. Tony O'Grady Melbourne Australia. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am hoping that someone on the list may be able to provide with some information or advice regarding JOSEPH SEWELL of Liverpool. His daughter ANN SEWELL married PETER SUMPTON (master mariner) at St. Peters on 22 December 1827, Ann was recorded as a minor married with the consent of her father, JOSEPH SEWELL. Ann's death record in 1836 suggests that she was born in 1808. I am looking for further information on Joseph and his wife. I have found a JOSEPH SEWELL in the 1832 Poll Book who was also a master mariner giving him a possible link with Peter Sumpton - and many others in Liverpool!. He lived in "Robert Street North." The only other promising record that I have found is in the 1841 census. This was JOSEPH SEWELL (68), mariner, and his wife, Ann (65). They lived at Workington (I could not read the street name which was something like Prustgate). There was also a WILLIAM GLOVER (7) in the house. This couple could have been the JOSEPH SEWELL and ANN SIMON who married at Workington on 13 November 1794. At the moment I have no established fact other than the father's name. I would be delighted if anyone could provide me with any assistance on this family. Tony O'Grady Melbourne Australia.

David, I would strongly suggest that you use the word list supplied by the LDS. https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/German_Word_List If you want a PDF copy of the LDS German Research Guide, I can supply it. (They now only have it for sale on FamilySearch.) Lynne, One "noticable mistake" that must be corrected: Evangelishe is Evangelical Lutheran. Evangelisch-reformierte is Calvinism (The same as the Church of Scotland/Presbyterian). Neither of these are Mennonite. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_Church_in_Germany At 02:00 AM 8/17/2012, you wrote: >From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] German ancestry > >Dave:At the risk of making some noticeable mistakes, here are a few >of the necessary words for researching German records: geborn: >(geb) borntaufe: christening. (More often the records document >christening, rather than the birth date - I'm not quite sure why, >but it might be to keep a child from dying and going to >purgatory.)heirat:marrystarb: die (storb - died)Katholisch: >CatholicEvangelische: evangelical - Protestant, usually Mennonite? >Perhaps you've already gotten these. Many of the records are in >English already. The only thing I've really had problems with are >books and articles, usually beyond my linguistic capabilities. Get a >German dictionary, and if that fails to supply a helpful >translation, go to babelfish. But I'm confident you will be >surprised at how well you navigate im Deutsch. Liz ---------- >Original Message ---------- >From: "David Railton" <[email protected]> >To: "'Lynne'" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] German ancestry >Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:23:08 +0100 > >Lynne, ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/502e31da5e1d531d9715fst01duc

Dave:At the risk of making some noticeable mistakes, here are a few of the necessary words for researching German records: geborn: (geb) borntaufe: christening. (More often the records document christening, rather than the birth date - I'm not quite sure why, but it might be to keep a child from dying and going to purgatory.)heirat:marrystarb: die (storb - died)Katholisch: CatholicEvangelische: evangelical - Protestant, usually Mennonite? Perhaps you've already gotten these. Many of the records are in English already. The only thing I've really had problems with are books and articles, usually beyond my linguistic capabilities. Get a German dictionary, and if that fails to supply a helpful translation, go to babelfish. But I'm confident you will be surprised at how well you navigate im Deutsch. Liz ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "David Railton" <[email protected]> To: "'Lynne'" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] German ancestry Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:23:08 +0100 Lynne, TDhat looks like a very useful list. I will make a start on it tomorrow. ....and I have just realised that Niedersachsen is Lower Saxony! Is Lower Saxony Part of Saxony or is it a different place? David -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: 14 August 2012 20:40 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] German ancestry Hello David Some relevant lists that have had recent activity: GEN-DE (http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Newsgroup_Gateways/GEN-DE.ht ml), GERMAN-SURNAMES (http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/DEU/GERMAN-SURNAMES.html, NIEDERSACHSEN (http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/DEU/NIEDERSACHSEN.html), DEU-OLDENBURG (http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/DEU/DEU-OLDENBURG.html), SAXONY (http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/DEU/SAXONY.html), and SAXONY_ROOTS (http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/DEU/SAXONY_ROOTS.html). Don't forget about the location boards: Localities > Central Europe > Germany (http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.ceeurope.germany/mb.ashx) Kind regards, Lynne -----Original Message----- > >Has anyone on the list done any research on German ancestry. > > > >I have a couple who settled in Liverpool having married in London in 1855. >They must have arrived from Germany a few years earlier. The marriage >record shows that both were born in about 1831, one in Hanover and the >other in Oldenburg. > > > >I have father's names and trades from the marriage certificate. > > > >Can anyone please point me in the direction of information as to how to >find ancestry in Germany? > > > >I have subscribed to the Rootsweb list for Germany but later found that >there had been no activity on it for a number of years. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________ NetZero now offers 4G mobile broadband. Sign up now. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=NZINTISP0512T4GOUT1

Hi Tony, nothing specific, but you may be aware that there was a big Quaker family of Sewells (including Anna Sewell, who wrote the children's classic 'Black Beauty')? Hope this may be helpful ... Maria in Wales On 16/08/2012 22:58, Tony O'Grady wrote: > I am hoping that someone on the list may be able to provide with some information or advice regarding JOSEPH SEWELL of Liverpool. > > His daughter ANN SEWELL married PETER SUMPTON (master mariner) at St. Peters on 22 December 1827, Ann was recorded as a minor married with the consent of her father, JOSEPH SEWELL. Ann's death record in 1836 suggests that she was born in 1808. > > I am looking for further information on Joseph and his wife. I have found a JOSEPH SEWELL in the 1832 Poll Book who was also a master mariner giving him a possible link with Peter Sumpton - and many others in Liverpool!. He lived in "Robert Street North." > > The only other promising record that I have found is in the 1841 census. This was JOSEPH SEWELL (68), mariner, and his wife, Ann (65). They lived at Workington (I could not read the street name which was something like Prustgate). There was also a WILLIAM GLOVER (7) in the house. This couple could have been the JOSEPH SEWELL and ANN SIMON who married at Workington on 13 November 1794. > > At the moment I have no established fact other than the father's name. > > I would be delighted if anyone could provide me with any assistance on this family. > > Tony O'Grady > Melbourne > Australia. > > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

David The Catholic Church used Latin in its registers, and Joannis is Latin for John. And when dealing with Latin, you have to take into account the case and gender, something which is to great extent unknown these days as grammar is often no longer taught in schools. Thus: "Joannes filius Joannis" is "John son of John". The former being the nominative case and the latter being the genitive (possessive) case. ----- Original Message ----- From: David McWilliam To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 3:11 AM Subject: [ENG-LIV] Catholic Confirmation - Alan McWilliam Joannis Baker is not a name which has ever been mentioned as connected with any member of the family. Many listers have said that this would be John Baker. Is that a translation or a presumed fact? David

I now have all the information I requested. Thanks to everyone who assisted. You're great! I hope I can be of help to you at some stage in future. David

Thank You Ray That is a very good website for the streets. I would appreciate the photos of the Necropolis. Best Wishes Hilary. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Jenkins" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Duckinfield Street and The Necropolis > Hi Hilary > If this link works it will give you a good street guide to early 1900s > Liverpool and area > http://www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co.uk/liverpoolaz/streets.htm > As you can see from earlier posts the necropolis cemetery became Grants > gardens which was originally a rose gardens with a children's playground > at > the Mill Rd end I used to play there in the 1950's so I am not quite sure > when it became just a grass field but it would be sometime after the > 1960s. > I have some scanned photos of the Necropolis as the graveyard and also as > the rose gardens if you want a copy. > > Ray Jenkins > Surrey BC Canada > http://www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co.uk/liverpoolaz/streets.htm > > > > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: hilary rimmer > Date: 08/13/12 06:05:11 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [ENG-LIV] Duckinfield Street and The Necropolis > > Does anyone know the location of Duckinfield Street and what is now on on > the site of the Necropolis. > Thanks Hilary. > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5197 - Release Date: 08/13/12 > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Image sent off list Julie -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David McWilliam Sent: 15 August 2012 13:04 To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-LIV] Alan McWILLIAM - hopefully this is my Father Would a Lister who has access to Find My Past be so kind as to look up the following three entries, and let me know what they find. My subscription has recently expired. MERCHANT NAVY SEAMEN 1835-1941 Last name First name(s) Year of birth Discharge no Place of birth County of birth Transcript MCWILLIAM Alan 1909 115011 Liverpool Lancashire VIEW MCWILLIAM A 1115011 VIEW MCWILLIAM A 1115011 VIEW As always, I'll be extremely grateful for your help. Thanks, David ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message