Hi Lyn over there in OZ, Ive not tried the papers as yet, and im gonna look for a Probate will, that should do the trick, never thought of that. thanks very much. Ted. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Elizabeth Swann formerly Lunt of West Derby liverpool. > Hi Ted > > Have you tried the local papers for a funeral/death notice? Also the local > cemeteries where she may have been buried. Probate indexes if they are that > recent? Sometimes they include date of death. > > Regards > > Lyn > In Oz. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of eddie lunt >> Sent: Friday, 24 August 2012 10:51 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [ENG-LIV] Elizabeth Swann formerly Lunt of West >> Derby liverpool. >> >> Hi, im not looking for anyone alive regarding this family, >> but what I am looking for is the exact date of her death >> which took place in Liverpool in the March Qtr of 1977. >> >> > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/5220 - Release Date: 08/23/12 >

Hi Jackie, Ancestry.com will be more helpful to you than findmypast with London entries in particular. If you subscribe to them, you will be able to see the actual baptismal registers. And marriage certificates if you can trace the family further. For example, this is the summary they hold: Name: William Alfred Kettle Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1887 Baptism Date: 31 Jul 1887 Father's Name: Alfred Kettle Mother's Name: Annie Kettle Parish or Poor Law Union: Kensington St Philip Borough: Kensington and Chelsea Register Type: Parish Registers Regards, Sally ---------------------------------------- > Hi all, I found these entires on Findmypast however my question is > before I obtain a subscription is, am I actually going to see the > handwritten transcripts with details of parents etc or am I only going > to get the > index pages of which I have already seen and then do I need to order all > the certificates?????????????? If sks has a subscription and could look > up one of the births I would appreciate, if all details or the actual > transcript is available I will join. Thank you > Jackie > > > > > > > England & Wales births > 1837 -2006 > > KETTLE William Alfred Mile End Old Town London 1886 > > KETTLE Florence Elizabeth Stepney London 1889 > > KETTLE Catherine Maud Stepney London 1891 > > England & Wales marriages > 1837 -2005 > > KETTLE Alfred John Mile End Old Town London 1891 > > PAYNE Eliza Mile End Old Town London 1891

Thank you Lyn yes I have the details re vol and page. Jackie Lyn wrote: > Hi Jackie, > > Have you checked FreeBMD for the Volume and index number? Also if it is > there you may be lucky and find a postem from someone who has already bought > the certificate and posted the details for other researchers. > > http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > > Unlike ancestry and FMP it is free . > > Regards > > Lyn > In Oz. > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

What you get on FMP is a digitised version of the GRO indices, not the actual register entries. So basically the information you already have, plus volume and page number so you can quote them when you order the certs. It would be nice if the registers themselves were digitised somewhere, sometime, but to my knowledge it hasn't happened yet. You still have to order the certs, unless you can find the info on Online Parish Clerk (which I sometimes have, depeding on the diligence of the clerics involved!) Maria On 25/08/2012 16:55, Jackie Serna wrote: > Hi all, I found these entires on Findmypast however my question is > before I obtain a subscription is, am I actually going to see the > handwritten transcripts with details of parents etc or am I only going > to get the > index pages of which I have already seen and then do I need to order all > the certificates?????????????? If sks has a subscription and could look > up one of the births I would appreciate, if all details or the actual > transcript is available I will join. Thank you > Jackie > > > > > > > England & Wales births > 1837 -2006 > > KETTLE William Alfred Mile End Old Town London 1886 > > KETTLE Florence Elizabeth Stepney London 1889 > > KETTLE Catherine Maud Stepney London 1891 > > England & Wales marriages > 1837 -2005 > > KETTLE Alfred John Mile End Old Town London 1891 > > PAYNE Eliza Mile End Old Town London 1891 > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Sally I do have ancestry, that William Alfred unfortunately is not the correct one, mine born 1886 but father was Alfred, mother Elizabeth and have them on 1891 census. Seems mine are not online maybe yet!!!! Thanks for the help though. Jackie sally roberts wrote: > Hi Jackie, > > Ancestry.com will be more helpful to you than findmypast with London entries in particular. If you subscribe to them, you will be able to see the actual baptismal registers. And marriage certificates if you can trace the family further. > For example, this is the summary they hold: > Name: William Alfred Kettle > Record Type: Baptism > Estimated Birth Date: abt 1887 > >

Thank you to all who offered their help with my requests. David

Thank you Ann and the others who assisted. It is appreciated. Jackie [email protected] wrote: > > Hi Jackie, no, you will only see the indexes, no parents names until 1912 > when mother's maiden name is given with the index. Unfortunately you will > have to buy all the certificates to get the information you want. > > Ann > > > >

Hi Jackie, no, you will only see the indexes, no parents names until 1912 when mother's maiden name is given with the index. Unfortunately you will have to buy all the certificates to get the information you want. Ann Hi all, I found these entires on Findmypast however my question is before I obtain a subscription is, am I actually going to see the handwritten transcripts with details of parents etc or am I only going to get the index pages of which I have already seen and then do I need to order all the certificates?????????????? If sks has a subscription and could look up one of the births I would appreciate, if all details or the actual transcript is available I will join. Thank you Jackie England & Wales births 1837 -2006 KETTLE William Alfred Mile End Old Town London 1886 KETTLE Florence Elizabeth Stepney London 1889 KETTLE Catherine Maud Stepney London 1891 England & Wales marriages 1837 -2005 KETTLE Alfred John Mile End Old Town London 1891 PAYNE Eliza Mile End Old Town London 1891 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, I found these entires on Findmypast however my question is before I obtain a subscription is, am I actually going to see the handwritten transcripts with details of parents etc or am I only going to get the index pages of which I have already seen and then do I need to order all the certificates?????????????? If sks has a subscription and could look up one of the births I would appreciate, if all details or the actual transcript is available I will join. Thank you Jackie England & Wales births 1837 -2006 KETTLE William Alfred Mile End Old Town London 1886 KETTLE Florence Elizabeth Stepney London 1889 KETTLE Catherine Maud Stepney London 1891 England & Wales marriages 1837 -2005 KETTLE Alfred John Mile End Old Town London 1891 PAYNE Eliza Mile End Old Town London 1891

Hi David, I don't have full membership of Find My Past, but I know that it will not give you as much information as it is possible to get if you approach the Southampton Archives, who can search to see if they hold any record cards for William, and send you copies of his Register Cards. A search on Find my Past throws up ......... First name(s) :William Last name :Mcwilliam Year of birth :1875 +/- 2 years Discharge Number: R32000 ..and that's without paying any subscription, and I suspect that Southampton will therefore have Seamen's Registry cards for this person. You can contact Southampton via ..... http://www.southampton.gov.uk/s-leisure/artsheritage/history/archives/defaul t.aspx If you want to contact us regarding the content of this page please contact us at: * [email protected] * 023 8083 2251 * Southampton Archives, Civic Centre, Civic Centre Road, Southampton, SO14 7LY regards Tony -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David McWilliam Sent: 24 August 2012 20:57 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Look up please If only there were a LDS Family History Library within driving distance of my remote Welsh Valley home I would use it. So my original request stands. Is anybody willing to do the look up for me please? I would be very grateful for any help. David Find my Past is available for free through LDS Family History Libraries, the LDS having an institutional subscription. ----- Original Message ----- > From: David McWilliam > To: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:29 PM > Subject: [ENG-LIV] Look up please Would someone who is a subscriber please do a look up for me on Find My Past. Merchant Navy Seaman 1835-1941. William McWILLIAM probably born about 1875, and let me know what you come up with. > > Thanks in advance, my subscription to FMyP has disappointingly just run out. > > David > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: <http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ted Have you tried the local papers for a funeral/death notice? Also the local cemeteries where she may have been buried. Probate indexes if they are that recent? Sometimes they include date of death. Regards Lyn In Oz. > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of eddie lunt > Sent: Friday, 24 August 2012 10:51 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [ENG-LIV] Elizabeth Swann formerly Lunt of West > Derby liverpool. > > Hi, im not looking for anyone alive regarding this family, > but what I am looking for is the exact date of her death > which took place in Liverpool in the March Qtr of 1977. > >

Find my Past is available for free through LDS Family History Libraries, the LDS having an institutional subscription. ----- Original Message ----- From: David McWilliam To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:29 PM Subject: [ENG-LIV] Look up please Would someone who is a subscriber please do a look up for me on Find My Past. Thanks in advance, my subscription to FMyP has disappointingly just run out. David

Hi, There's a William McWillliam army record - in 1917 - discharged 1919 suffering from flat feet - he enlisted in the 3rd Kings at Seaforth, former occupation was as a factory foreman. He was married to Agnes (can't decipher maiden name properly but looks like KERR) in Montreal in 1908 - they lived at 23 Ferndale Road Fazakerley and had two children both born in Scotland. Is this your relative? regards, Dot On 24 August 2012 20:56, David McWilliam <[email protected]> wrote: > If only there were a LDS Family History Library within driving distance of > my remote Welsh Valley home I would use it. > > So my original request stands. Is anybody willing to do the look up for me > please? > > I would be very grateful for any help. > > David > > Find my Past is available for free through LDS Family History Libraries, > the LDS having an institutional subscription. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: David McWilliam > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:29 PM > > Subject: [ENG-LIV] Look up please > > Would someone who is a subscriber please do a look up for me on Find My > Past. > > Merchant Navy Seaman 1835-1941. > > William McWILLIAM probably born about 1875, and let me know what you come > up with. > > > > Thanks in advance, my subscription to FMyP has disappointingly just run > out. > > > > David > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Dot Holden Dover Kent UK There are three things that can never be retrieved, the spoken word, time past and the neglected opportunity

If only there were a LDS Family History Library within driving distance of my remote Welsh Valley home I would use it. So my original request stands. Is anybody willing to do the look up for me please? I would be very grateful for any help. David Find my Past is available for free through LDS Family History Libraries, the LDS having an institutional subscription. ----- Original Message ----- > From: David McWilliam > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:29 PM > Subject: [ENG-LIV] Look up please Would someone who is a subscriber please do a look up for me on Find My Past. Merchant Navy Seaman 1835-1941. William McWILLIAM probably born about 1875, and let me know what you come up with. > > Thanks in advance, my subscription to FMyP has disappointingly just run out. > > David > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mmmm... I haven't checked again but I seem to recall that a lot of them were adults, which is why I found it such a puzzle. Babies and toddlers would indeed have been understandable. My best guess is a tooth abscess that we'd easily deal with these days with antibiotics but the infection spread in those days and the only obvious symptom would have been raging tooth ache. Our ancestors didn't have it easy. Lesley -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Maria Haines Sent: 24 August 2012 13:10 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] A question I need answered, please. I am guessing that someone who died of 'teeth' would be a baby/toddler. In the days when many fevers in very young children were ascribed to teething, it was an apparently logical step to understand the deaths which sometimes resulted from these fevers (the serious/fatal ones of which, of course, were actually extremely unlikely to have been caused by teething) to 'teething'. I have also seen church burial registers in which 'teeth*ing*' was given as the cause of death, along with the age of the person - always (in the ones I've seen) under the age of 2. Does this fit with the entries you're referring to? Maria

Would someone who is a subscriber please do a look up for me on Find My Past. Merchant Navy Seaman 1835-1941. William McWILLIAM probably born about 1875, and let me know what you come up with. Thanks in advance, my subscription to FMyP has disappointingly just run out. David

Hi, im not looking for anyone alive regarding this family, but what I am looking for is the exact date of her death which took place in Liverpool in the March Qtr of 1977. She is one of my aunts, the sister of my father and I know where she married, her birth date etc but I can for the life of me find a date, exact date, that is day month and year just for my records. I dont think its worth spending £10 by sending for a certificate just to find the date, and im wondering if any of her family are interested in their family history and might just have her as a mother or grandmother. She married Edgar Swann also of Liverpool in Wandsworth London in 1929 and he was a book keeper by profession moving around the country for work, So i dont think im breaking any rules, at least i hope im not in just asking for a date of her death, maybe a son or daughter or grand children might recognize he same and could come up with a date for me. I dont need to know any names of anybody. Thanks and hope that someone reckons the name in their family. TED LUNT.

I am guessing that someone who died of 'teeth' would be a baby/toddler. In the days when many fevers in very young children were ascribed to teething, it was an apparently logical step to understand the deaths which sometimes resulted from these fevers (the serious/fatal ones of which, of course, were actually extremely unlikely to have been caused by teething) to 'teething'. I have also seen church burial registers in which 'teeth*ing*' was given as the cause of death, along with the age of the person - always (in the ones I've seen) under the age of 2. Does this fit with the entries you're referring to? Maria On 24/08/2012 08:39, Lesley Chaney wrote: > Hi Liz, > > If you have a subscription to Ancestry, have a look at burials in London. I > think St Dunstans in the East in Stepney, if I remember correctly, late > 1700s/early 1800s, is one church to look at where Ancestry has included > entries from the vicar's day book. Look for two entries for the same person > to find them. The entries often give cause of death, such as "teeth", along > with the cost of the funeral. Also he recorded if there were pall bearers > and if the great bell was used, which tells you the deceased was not poor. > Fascinating reading. The day book was obviously part of the book-keeping > system of the church. > > I saw several entries where the person had died of "teeth" and I am still > scratching my head as to what that would mean in today's terminology! > > Lesley > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: 24 August 2012 05:18 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] A question I need answered, please. > > > On the other hand, I have a death certificate from my gggrandfather - a > victualer (sp?) - who died suddenly at 44 of what was clearly a heart > attack.I'm not familiar with a vicar's day book. Thanks for the 'something > new'. Liz > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Liz, Probably just an infection caused by tooth decay. They didn't have the luxury of a dental check-up. Sadly, there are quite a few people who still die from untreated tooth infections. Joan On Aug 24, 2012, at 3:39 AM, Lesley Chaney wrote: > Hi Liz, > > If you have a subscription to Ancestry, have a look at burials in London. I > think St Dunstans in the East in Stepney, if I remember correctly, late > 1700s/early 1800s, is one church to look at where Ancestry has included > entries from the vicar's day book. Look for two entries for the same person > to find them. The entries often give cause of death, such as "teeth", along > with the cost of the funeral. Also he recorded if there were pall bearers > and if the great bell was used, which tells you the deceased was not poor. > Fascinating reading. The day book was obviously part of the book-keeping > system of the church. > > I saw several entries where the person had died of "teeth" and I am still > scratching my head as to what that would mean in today's terminology! > > Lesley > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: 24 August 2012 05:18 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] A question I need answered, please. > > > On the other hand, I have a death certificate from my gggrandfather - a > victualer (sp?) - who died suddenly at 44 of what was clearly a heart > attack.I'm not familiar with a vicar's day book. Thanks for the 'something > new'. Liz > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you David, perhaps I will try that route, I did get a very limited free trial but it does seems like the same records I already have access to Thanks again Jackie David Armstrong wrote: > Jackie > > The LDS has an institutional subscription to the Genealogist (along with Ancestry, FMP and a few other commercial websites). > > You will need to go to an LDS Family History Library and use their in-library PCs to use the websites. > > One of the collections that The Genealogist has which can be very useful are the Non-Conformist Church records collection, completely digitised and indexed. An excellent source if you have Quakers or other non-conformists in your tree. > > They have other records as well. > > David Armstrong > Maylands, > Western Australia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jackie Serna > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 4:16 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Ancestry Liverpool St Johns burial records v freeBMD - W EBSTER > > > Could anyone who has a membership at the Genealogist mail me off line please at jaserna at sympatico.ca > > I would like to know if the cost is worth it as I already have an ancestry membership. Do they have different records? > Thanks > Jackie > > Maria Haines wrote: > > and Find my past, and the Genealogist ... > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >