going from memory of research the train line that runs over Townsend Avenue Liverpool was bombed and a train carrying munitions was hit Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marion Charlesworth" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Munitions factory > Could it have been a tram-line rather than a rail-line? I seem to recall > that part of Liverpool did have trams. > Afraid I can't help with the munitions question, sorry. > > Marion, Sussex > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Martin Briscoe > Sent: 23 September 2012 11:14 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Munitions factory > > It does not seem to be listed in Wayne Cocroft's "Dangerous Energy" which > is > probably the most comprehensive book on explosive and munitions > manufacture. > > Some accidents did seem to get reported in the local or national press. > If > you have an idea of the date and there were fatalities then you could try > the CWGC database. > > In Merseyside there is listed: > > Aintree, Bland Park Farm, Sefton NFF No. 2, SJ 36 98 - Great War explosive > factor and filling factory Kirkby, ROF FF No. 7, SJ 432 988 - WWII 1940 - > 1945 explosives factory - filling factory Liverpool, Litherland, > Brotherton > & Co, H M Factory, SJ 53 97 - Great War > 1913 - 1918 explosives factory - TNT. picric acid(?) Liverpool, NFF No. > 2a, > SJ 35 98, Great War explosives factory - filling factory Port Sunlight, > Lever Brothers, SJ 34 84, Great War, soap factory - glycerine Sutton Oak, > St > Helens, UK Chemical Products Company, H M Factory, SJ 53 93 - Great War > explosives factory - picric acid, phenol, arsenic compounds > > There could be others apart from these, often the post-war newspapers had > adverts for the disposal of equipment at government sites like these. > > There is a remote possibility that a train running over a severed arm > could > be in railway accident records. > > > Martin Briscoe > Fort William > [email protected] > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Railton > Sent: 23 September 2012 10:32 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [ENG-LIV] Munitions factory > > A distant connection of mine worked at a munitions factory in WWI which > was > located at the Ogdens tobacco factory. She lost her arm in an explosion > there. > > The story is that she was blown out of the factory onto the nearby railway > line where a train ran over her arm. I don't think this is true; as far as > I > know there never was a railway line anywhere near the factory. > > Can anyone direct me to information about the use of Ogdens as a munitions > factory in WWI and explosions there? Also possible nearby railway lines? I > know that it would not have been one of the main munitions factories in > Liverpool but I understand there were many small sites set up. > > > > David > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5286 - Release Date: 09/22/12 >

Could it have been a tram-line rather than a rail-line? I seem to recall that part of Liverpool did have trams. Afraid I can't help with the munitions question, sorry. Marion, Sussex -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Martin Briscoe Sent: 23 September 2012 11:14 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Munitions factory It does not seem to be listed in Wayne Cocroft's "Dangerous Energy" which is probably the most comprehensive book on explosive and munitions manufacture. Some accidents did seem to get reported in the local or national press. If you have an idea of the date and there were fatalities then you could try the CWGC database. In Merseyside there is listed: Aintree, Bland Park Farm, Sefton NFF No. 2, SJ 36 98 - Great War explosive factor and filling factory Kirkby, ROF FF No. 7, SJ 432 988 - WWII 1940 - 1945 explosives factory - filling factory Liverpool, Litherland, Brotherton & Co, H M Factory, SJ 53 97 - Great War 1913 - 1918 explosives factory - TNT. picric acid(?) Liverpool, NFF No. 2a, SJ 35 98, Great War explosives factory - filling factory Port Sunlight, Lever Brothers, SJ 34 84, Great War, soap factory - glycerine Sutton Oak, St Helens, UK Chemical Products Company, H M Factory, SJ 53 93 - Great War explosives factory - picric acid, phenol, arsenic compounds There could be others apart from these, often the post-war newspapers had adverts for the disposal of equipment at government sites like these. There is a remote possibility that a train running over a severed arm could be in railway accident records. Martin Briscoe Fort William [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Railton Sent: 23 September 2012 10:32 To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-LIV] Munitions factory A distant connection of mine worked at a munitions factory in WWI which was located at the Ogdens tobacco factory. She lost her arm in an explosion there. The story is that she was blown out of the factory onto the nearby railway line where a train ran over her arm. I don't think this is true; as far as I know there never was a railway line anywhere near the factory. Can anyone direct me to information about the use of Ogdens as a munitions factory in WWI and explosions there? Also possible nearby railway lines? I know that it would not have been one of the main munitions factories in Liverpool but I understand there were many small sites set up. David ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It does not seem to be listed in Wayne Cocroft's "Dangerous Energy" which is probably the most comprehensive book on explosive and munitions manufacture. Some accidents did seem to get reported in the local or national press. If you have an idea of the date and there were fatalities then you could try the CWGC database. In Merseyside there is listed: Aintree, Bland Park Farm, Sefton NFF No. 2, SJ 36 98 - Great War explosive factor and filling factory Kirkby, ROF FF No. 7, SJ 432 988 - WWII 1940 - 1945 explosives factory - filling factory Liverpool, Litherland, Brotherton & Co, H M Factory, SJ 53 97 - Great War 1913 - 1918 explosives factory - TNT. picric acid(?) Liverpool, NFF No. 2a, SJ 35 98, Great War explosives factory - filling factory Port Sunlight, Lever Brothers, SJ 34 84, Great War, soap factory - glycerine Sutton Oak, St Helens, UK Chemical Products Company, H M Factory, SJ 53 93 - Great War explosives factory - picric acid, phenol, arsenic compounds There could be others apart from these, often the post-war newspapers had adverts for the disposal of equipment at government sites like these. There is a remote possibility that a train running over a severed arm could be in railway accident records. Martin Briscoe Fort William [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Railton Sent: 23 September 2012 10:32 To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-LIV] Munitions factory A distant connection of mine worked at a munitions factory in WWI which was located at the Ogdens tobacco factory. She lost her arm in an explosion there. The story is that she was blown out of the factory onto the nearby railway line where a train ran over her arm. I don't think this is true; as far as I know there never was a railway line anywhere near the factory. Can anyone direct me to information about the use of Ogdens as a munitions factory in WWI and explosions there? Also possible nearby railway lines? I know that it would not have been one of the main munitions factories in Liverpool but I understand there were many small sites set up. David ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A distant connection of mine worked at a munitions factory in WWI which was located at the Ogdens tobacco factory. She lost her arm in an explosion there. The story is that she was blown out of the factory onto the nearby railway line where a train ran over her arm. I don't think this is true; as far as I know there never was a railway line anywhere near the factory. Can anyone direct me to information about the use of Ogdens as a munitions factory in WWI and explosions there? Also possible nearby railway lines? I know that it would not have been one of the main munitions factories in Liverpool but I understand there were many small sites set up. David

Hello SallyThanks for the link to the Liverpool Hospital Records. That link was useful to me. I was after Walton Workhouse Recordsand the date I wanted 1898 appears to be there.Regards Pat --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 22:47:47 +0000 Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Hospitalisation in the 1940's Hi David, Here's a link that might help you with this part of your journey - http://www.mersey-gateway.org/server.php?show=ConNarrative.186&chapterId=1011 Hope there's something useful for you within it. Regards, Sally

Hi All My grandmother died in Liverpool Workhouse 25 Nov 1906, of Typhoid. Grandfather then left for the United States leaving 3 children behind. Dad's older sister,aged 7, was taken in by my grandfather's mother. Dad's younger brother,aged 2, was taken in by my grandmother's brother. My father, Thomas Prescott, aged 5, was taken in by someone known to us only by the name "Kitty". Family legend has it that Kitty placed dad in an orphanage and indeed I have found him in Richmond Lodge, Church Road, Wavertree in 1911. Family legend has it that he was rescued from the orphanage by a Mr George Pyke who was on the board of governors of the orphanage. Pyke returned father to his grandmother who had worked for Mr Pyke at one time. Does anyone on the list have any ideas how I might find information on my father's placement in Richmond Lodge? I would like to find out who this Kitty was who placed him there. I understand that the records of Richmond Lodge have not survived, though I wonder if there might be unofficial records somewhere. Secondly, is there anyone on the list who is connected to or has information on George Pyke. He lived at 156 Park Road in 1891, 1901 and 1911. He owned fishing boats. George married Annie Hamilton in 1882. I believe his parents were George Pyke and Alice Jackson. I would like to hear from anyone who has further information on this family. Thanks. Vern

Good afternoon, I am looking for any information with regards to tradesman of lancashire 1750 - 1850 Stone masons and Marble masons. Where would they train or be apprenticed. Would there be any records relating to Tradesman. Regards Lynne

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Hi Michael Looking at the additional information on the Liverpool Record Office Catalogue there are restrictions on access of 75 years for Staff Records. The 75 years is usually taken from the latest date in the source material so if the Staff Registers cover a number of years then, even though your interest is less than 75 years, there may be others more recent. If you scroll down the link that Anne posted and read Accessing Hospital Records and Addresses of NHS Trusts it looks like the NHS Trust responsible for the Mill Road Maternity Hospital transcribes the records for you, probably for a fee. Andy -----Original Message----- From: Anne Peat Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 1:09 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Mill Road Maternity Hospital Hi Michael http://tinyurl.com/l9lmph says they are held at Liverpool/Merseyside Record Office. Google is your friend! Anne On 18 Sep 2012, at 16:00, Michael wrote: > Hi, I'm Michael, new to this list but subscribe to many others. > > Can anybody help please, with staff records for Mill Road Maternity > Hospital during the 1940's possibly late 1930's. > > Are they going to be in the NA at Kew or does Liverpool RO have them or > a copy? > > Many thanks > Michael > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >

My grandmother died in Liverpool Workhouse 25 Nov 1906, of Typhoid. Grandfather then left for the United States leaving 3 children behind. Dad's older sister,aged 7, was taken in by my grandfather's mother. Dad's younger brother,aged 2, was taken in by my grandmother's brother. My father, Thomas Prescott, aged 5, was taken in by someone known to us only by the name "Kitty". Family legend has it that Kitty placed dad in an orphanage and indeed I have found him in Richmond Lodge, Church Road, Wavertree in 1911. Family legend has it that he was rescued from the orphanage by a Mr George Pyke who was on the board of governors of the orphanage. Pyke returned father to his grandmother who had worked for Mr Pyke at one time. Does anyone on the list have any ideas how I might find information on my father's placement in Richmond Lodge? I would like to find out who this Kitty was who placed him there. I understand that the records of Richmond Lodge have not survived, though I wonder if there might be unofficial records somewhere. Secondly, is there anyone on the list who is connected to or has information on George Pyke. He lived at 156 Park Road in 1891, 1901 and 1911. He owned fishing boats. George married Annie Hamilton in 1882. I believe his parents were George Pyke and Alice Jackson. I would like to hear from anyone who has further information on this family. Thanks. Vern

Hi David, Here's a link that might help you with this part of your journey - http://www.mersey-gateway.org/server.php?show=ConNarrative.186&chapterId=1011 Hope there's something useful for you within it. Regards, Sally > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 20:05:05 +0100 > Subject: [ENG-LIV] Hospitalisation in the 1940's > > > I was hospitalised with severe scald burns sometime in the 1940's when as a child (born 1941) I lived in Marlborough Avenue, Netherton. > > I don't know for sure which hospital I was in, but a cousin suggests that it may have been Walton. Another suggests that it may have been Ormskirk General. Yet another mentions Fazakerley as a possibility. Of course that's all guesswork. > > How can I trace hospital records with only my name, decade and condition to go on? > > I would appreciate any guidance listers can offer, which has been so forthcoming on other matters I have been researching previously. >

I was hospitalised with severe scald burns sometime in the 1940's when as a child (born 1941) I lived in Marlborough Avenue, Netherton. I don't know for sure which hospital I was in, but a cousin suggests that it may have been Walton. Another suggests that it may have been Ormskirk General. Yet another mentions Fazakerley as a possibility. Of course that's all guesswork. How can I trace hospital records with only my name, decade and condition to go on? I would appreciate any guidance listers can offer, which has been so forthcoming on other matters I have been researching previously. Cheers and thanks, David

Hi Michael http://tinyurl.com/l9lmph says they are held at Liverpool/Merseyside Record Office. Google is your friend! Anne On 18 Sep 2012, at 16:00, Michael wrote: > Hi, I'm Michael, new to this list but subscribe to many others. > > Can anybody help please, with staff records for Mill Road Maternity > Hospital during the 1940's possibly late 1930's. > > Are they going to be in the NA at Kew or does Liverpool RO have them or > a copy? > > Many thanks > Michael > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I'm Michael, new to this list but subscribe to many others. Can anybody help please, with staff records for Mill Road Maternity Hospital during the 1940's possibly late 1930's. Are they going to be in the NA at Kew or does Liverpool RO have them or a copy? Many thanks Michael

Morning all, Here are the latest records to be added to the Lancs OPC website: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html. Also, the search engine has been updated to return matches on all records added up to this last batch, so happy hunting! 16 September 2012 Marriages 1720 to 1754 from the Church of St Michael and All Angels in the Parish of Ashton under Lyne Burials 1899 to 1908 from Bacup Cemetery Burials 1967 to 2012 from Haslingden Cemetery, Haslingden in Rossendale Burials 1877 to 1888 from Rawtenstall Cemetery, Rawtenstall in Rossendale Regards, Sally

Dear Ann. Thank you for your prompt and helpful message. I am sure this is the right family and will search FreeBMD to see if I can find the births of Louise and the parents. I think it was the custom for British wives in India to return to the UK for the births of their children. Due to the war, my sister-in-law had her only child in India and she blamed the fact that the child had cerebral palsy on this. Regards, Nora -----Original Message----- From: annenicholls Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 5:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Born in India Hi Nora Did a bit of a dig and came up with this .A Clarke family travelling from India to England in 1926 father Walter,engineer 60 mother louise 54 daughter Eleanor 24 and son Frederick aged 16. Also a marriage in Madras of Walter Andrew Clarke to Louise Beatrice Curtis c1901.Freds deathcert would probably tell you if this is the correct family. Anne NZ. -----Original Message----- From: Nora Kevan Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 2:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Born in India Hello David I saw your message to Ian and wondered if you could help me. I have compiled a history of my husband's family back to the 1600s and have always intended to include later descendants and in-laws. I always wanted to find out more about the family of my sister-in-law's husband's family but I put it off as his widow lives in England and I live in Australia and I only spoke to her two or thee times a year! Now she has had a stroke and there is no one I can ask. Her name was Mary Kevan dau. of John James Kevan b.1915 and she married Frederick Clarke in Calcutta 20 Sep 1937. probably in an Anglican church. I do not know the name of his parents but Fred. (known, obviously as "Nobby" was an electrical engineer with Bengal Iron & Steel Co. in Kulti near Calcutta until Indian independence when the co. was taken over by the State.His father was also an engineer of some sort. Nobby was born 13 May 1910, possibly in India. Nobby's family lived there and he was sent back to England to be educated. I got the impression that the connection with Bengal went back for more than one generation. My sister in law, husband and only daughter Janet (who was born in either Kulti or Calcutta, 28 Nov 1943were in England in 1947 on their first home leave since their marriage when India became independent, Their home and almost all their possessions were lost. Friends still in Kulti where they lived managed to save some of their wedding presents from the looters. I tried entering Frederick's name on the site you mentioned but it seemed to be for ship's passengers, rather than permanent residents and I got no result. Any advice or help would be appreciated. Regards Nora -----Original Message----- From: David Railton Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 6:26 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Born in India Jean, For information and records of the British in India go to the Families in British India Society (FIBIS) website at: http://www.new.fibis.org/ They have lots of information about how to find records. Passengers lists for ships arriving in England are on Ancestry. If you want me to try to find your relatives arriving contact me off-list. I might also be able to help with records in India. David Railton -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jean flanagan Sent: 28 August 2012 21:16 To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-LIV] Born in India Hi Listers, I have a relative who was born in India around 1869. I only have her in 1901 census living in Bootle, with her husband and four children. She died in childbirth 1902. I have her marriage 1894 St John Kirkdale. What I'm hoping for, is that someone can point me to where I can find information, of her arriving in England from India or via wherever between her birth and her marriage dates. I would be very grateful for any suggestions. Regards. 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Hi David Thank you for your reply and helpful advice. I am not very proficient at reading web sites as my sight is so poor I rely on a screen reading program to assist me. This has a habit of jumping around the screen and so I miss items. The alternative is to enlarge the page and as I use a 32 inch TV as a monitor, it is like searching a football field for a golf ball! However, I will have another go and also try joining the India list as you suggest. Regards, Nora -----Original Message----- From: David Railton Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 5:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Born in India Nora, A suggestion - why not join the India equivalent of this Liverpool list. It can be found at: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/IND/INDIA.html David -----Original Message----- From: David Railton [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 08 September 2012 08:35 To: '[email protected]' Subject: RE: [ENG-LIV] Born in India Nora, The web address I gave: http://www.new.fibis.org/ provides lots of detail about how to find records of Europeans in India pre independence. It also includes some details of baptisms, marriages and burials and other records. I suggest you use it as a guide to finding information. All Christian churches in British India of every denomination were obliged to send copies of their records to London. These are now in the India Office Library in the British Library in London. They are not complete - possibly about 75% of the originals are there. There are a few churches in India that still have their registers but those that exist are usually in poor condition. Most have been destroyed by the climate or termites. There is very little in India that is not in the British Library. Writing to churches in India for information rarely produces a reply. Those that do reply usually only want a small fee for information but getting money to India is not an easy process. The Mormon church has microfilmed all the India records in the British Library and these microfilms are available for all to view at their family history centres. There will be one near you. The process of viewing is not easy and is time consuming but it can be done. FindMyPast are supposedly copying all the British Library India records and they should be available on their site later this year. The website I gave will tell you about other sources that have part of the British Library collection. There is more information currently available on-line for the 18th and 19th centuries than the 20th so you may not be able to find what you are looking for. David -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nora Kevan Sent: 08 September 2012 03:49 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Born in India Hello David I saw your message to Ian and wondered if you could help me. I have compiled a history of my husband's family back to the 1600s and have always intended to include later descendants and in-laws. I always wanted to find out more about the family of my sister-in-law's husband's family but I put it off as his widow lives in England and I live in Australia and I only spoke to her two or thee times a year! Now she has had a stroke and there is no one I can ask. Her name was Mary Kevan dau. of John James Kevan b.1915 and she married Frederick Clarke in Calcutta 20 Sep 1937. probably in an Anglican church. I do not know the name of his parents but Fred. (known, obviously as "Nobby" was an electrical engineer with Bengal Iron & Steel Co. in Kulti near Calcutta until Indian independence when the co. was taken over by the State.His father was also an engineer of some sort. Nobby was born 13 May 1910, possibly in India. Nobby's family lived there and he was sent back to England to be educated. I got the impression that the connection with Bengal went back for more than one generation. My sister in law, husband and only daughter Janet (who was born in either Kulti or Calcutta, 28 Nov 1943were in England in 1947 on their first home leave since their marriage when India became independent, Their home and almost all their possessions were lost. Friends still in Kulti where they lived managed to save some of their wedding presents from the looters. I tried entering Frederick's name on the site you mentioned but it seemed to be for ship's passengers, rather than permanent residents and I got no result. Any advice or help would be appreciated. Regards Nora -----Original Message----- From: David Railton Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 6:26 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Born in India Jean, For information and records of the British in India go to the Families in British India Society (FIBIS) website at: http://www.new.fibis.org/ They have lots of information about how to find records. Passengers lists for ships arriving in England are on Ancestry. If you want me to try to find your relatives arriving contact me off-list. I might also be able to help with records in India. David Railton -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jean flanagan Sent: 28 August 2012 21:16 To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-LIV] Born in India Hi Listers, I have a relative who was born in India around 1869. I only have her in 1901 census living in Bootle, with her husband and four children. She died in childbirth 1902. I have her marriage 1894 St John Kirkdale. What I'm hoping for, is that someone can point me to where I can find information, of her arriving in England from India or via wherever between her birth and her marriage dates. I would be very grateful for any suggestions. Regards. 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Hi Nora Did a bit of a dig and came up with this .A Clarke family travelling from India to England in 1926 father Walter,engineer 60 mother louise 54 daughter Eleanor 24 and son Frederick aged 16. Also a marriage in Madras of Walter Andrew Clarke to Louise Beatrice Curtis c1901.Freds deathcert would probably tell you if this is the correct family. Anne NZ. -----Original Message----- From: Nora Kevan Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 2:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Born in India Hello David I saw your message to Ian and wondered if you could help me. I have compiled a history of my husband's family back to the 1600s and have always intended to include later descendants and in-laws. I always wanted to find out more about the family of my sister-in-law's husband's family but I put it off as his widow lives in England and I live in Australia and I only spoke to her two or thee times a year! Now she has had a stroke and there is no one I can ask. Her name was Mary Kevan dau. of John James Kevan b.1915 and she married Frederick Clarke in Calcutta 20 Sep 1937. probably in an Anglican church. I do not know the name of his parents but Fred. (known, obviously as "Nobby" was an electrical engineer with Bengal Iron & Steel Co. in Kulti near Calcutta until Indian independence when the co. was taken over by the State.His father was also an engineer of some sort. Nobby was born 13 May 1910, possibly in India. Nobby's family lived there and he was sent back to England to be educated. I got the impression that the connection with Bengal went back for more than one generation. My sister in law, husband and only daughter Janet (who was born in either Kulti or Calcutta, 28 Nov 1943were in England in 1947 on their first home leave since their marriage when India became independent, Their home and almost all their possessions were lost. Friends still in Kulti where they lived managed to save some of their wedding presents from the looters. I tried entering Frederick's name on the site you mentioned but it seemed to be for ship's passengers, rather than permanent residents and I got no result. Any advice or help would be appreciated. Regards Nora -----Original Message----- From: David Railton Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 6:26 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Born in India Jean, For information and records of the British in India go to the Families in British India Society (FIBIS) website at: http://www.new.fibis.org/ They have lots of information about how to find records. Passengers lists for ships arriving in England are on Ancestry. If you want me to try to find your relatives arriving contact me off-list. I might also be able to help with records in India. David Railton -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jean flanagan Sent: 28 August 2012 21:16 To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-LIV] Born in India Hi Listers, I have a relative who was born in India around 1869. I only have her in 1901 census living in Bootle, with her husband and four children. She died in childbirth 1902. I have her marriage 1894 St John Kirkdale. What I'm hoping for, is that someone can point me to where I can find information, of her arriving in England from India or via wherever between her birth and her marriage dates. I would be very grateful for any suggestions. Regards. Jean ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello David I saw your message to Ian and wondered if you could help me. I have compiled a history of my husband's family back to the 1600s and have always intended to include later descendants and in-laws. I always wanted to find out more about the family of my sister-in-law's husband's family but I put it off as his widow lives in England and I live in Australia and I only spoke to her two or thee times a year! Now she has had a stroke and there is no one I can ask. Her name was Mary Kevan dau. of John James Kevan b.1915 and she married Frederick Clarke in Calcutta 20 Sep 1937. probably in an Anglican church. I do not know the name of his parents but Fred. (known, obviously as "Nobby" was an electrical engineer with Bengal Iron & Steel Co. in Kulti near Calcutta until Indian independence when the co. was taken over by the State.His father was also an engineer of some sort. Nobby was born 13 May 1910, possibly in India. Nobby's family lived there and he was sent back to England to be educated. I got the impression that the connection with Bengal went back for more than one generation. My sister in law, husband and only daughter Janet (who was born in either Kulti or Calcutta, 28 Nov 1943were in England in 1947 on their first home leave since their marriage when India became independent, Their home and almost all their possessions were lost. Friends still in Kulti where they lived managed to save some of their wedding presents from the looters. I tried entering Frederick's name on the site you mentioned but it seemed to be for ship's passengers, rather than permanent residents and I got no result. Any advice or help would be appreciated. Regards Nora -----Original Message----- From: David Railton Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 6:26 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Born in India Jean, For information and records of the British in India go to the Families in British India Society (FIBIS) website at: http://www.new.fibis.org/ They have lots of information about how to find records. Passengers lists for ships arriving in England are on Ancestry. If you want me to try to find your relatives arriving contact me off-list. I might also be able to help with records in India. David Railton -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jean flanagan Sent: 28 August 2012 21:16 To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-LIV] Born in India Hi Listers, I have a relative who was born in India around 1869. I only have her in 1901 census living in Bootle, with her husband and four children. She died in childbirth 1902. I have her marriage 1894 St John Kirkdale. What I'm hoping for, is that someone can point me to where I can find information, of her arriving in England from India or via wherever between her birth and her marriage dates. I would be very grateful for any suggestions. Regards. Jean ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List: Is there any list which would show electical workers who left the UK (Northumberland) to work on the hydraulic dams in India during the first part of the 1900? I am looking for MARK SHERMAN THORNTON, father JOHN THORNTON, born Ormskirk, 1830+. Veronica Thornton Hagin northern California On Sep 8, 2012, at 12:52 AM, David Railton wrote: > Nora, > > A suggestion - why not join the India equivalent of this Liverpool list. It > can be found at: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/IND/INDIA.html > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Railton [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 08 September 2012 08:35 > To: '[email protected]' > Subject: RE: [ENG-LIV] Born in India > > Nora, > > The web address I gave: http://www.new.fibis.org/ provides lots of detail > about how to find records of Europeans in India pre independence. It also > includes some details of baptisms, marriages and burials and other records. > I suggest you use it as a guide to finding information. > > All Christian churches in British India of every denomination were obliged > to send copies of their records to London. These are now in the India Office > Library in the British Library in London. They are not complete - possibly > about 75% of the originals are there. There are a few churches in India that > still have their registers but those that exist are usually in poor > condition. Most have been destroyed by the climate or termites. There is > very little in India that is not in the British Library. Writing to churches > in India for information rarely produces a reply. Those that do reply > usually only want a small fee for information but getting money to India is > not an easy process. > > The Mormon church has microfilmed all the India records in the British > Library and these microfilms are available for all to view at their family > history centres. There will be one near you. The process of viewing is not > easy and is time consuming but it can be done. FindMyPast are supposedly > copying all the British Library India records and they should be available > on their site later this year. The website I gave will tell you about other > sources that have part of the British Library collection. > > There is more information currently available on-line for the 18th and 19th > centuries than the 20th so you may not be able to find what you are looking > for. > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nora Kevan > Sent: 08 September 2012 03:49 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Born in India > > Hello David > I saw your message to Ian and wondered if you could help me. I have > compiled a history of my husband's family back to the 1600s and have always > intended to include later descendants and in-laws. I always wanted to find > out more about the family of my sister-in-law's husband's family but I put > it off as his widow lives in England and I live in Australia and I only > spoke to her two or thee times a year! Now she has had a stroke and there > is no one I can ask. > > Her name was Mary Kevan dau. of John James Kevan b.1915 and she married > Frederick Clarke in Calcutta 20 Sep 1937. probably in an Anglican church. > I do not know the name of his parents but Fred. (known, obviously as "Nobby" > > was an electrical engineer with > Bengal Iron & Steel Co. in Kulti near Calcutta until Indian independence > when the co. was taken over by the State.His father was also an engineer of > some sort. Nobby was born 13 May 1910, possibly in India. Nobby's family > lived there and he was sent back to England to be educated. I got the > impression that the connection with Bengal went back for more than one > generation. My sister in law, husband and only daughter Janet (who was born > in either Kulti or Calcutta, 28 Nov 1943were in England in 1947 on their > first home leave since their marriage when India became independent, Their > home and almost all their possessions were lost. Friends still in Kulti > where they lived managed to save some of their wedding presents from the > looters. > > I tried entering Frederick's name on the site you mentioned but it seemed to > be for ship's passengers, rather than permanent residents and I got no > result. > > Any advice or help would be appreciated. > > Regards > Nora > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Railton > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 6:26 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Born in India > > Jean, > > For information and records of the British in India go to the Families in > British India Society (FIBIS) website at: http://www.new.fibis.org/ > > They have lots of information about how to find records. > > Passengers lists for ships arriving in England are on Ancestry. If you want > me to try to find your relatives arriving contact me off-list. I might also > be able to help with records in India. > > David Railton > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jean flanagan > Sent: 28 August 2012 21:16 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [ENG-LIV] Born in India > > Hi Listers, > > I have a relative who was born in India around 1869. I only have her in 1901 > census living in Bootle, with her husband and four children. She died in > childbirth 1902. > > I have her marriage 1894 St John Kirkdale. What I'm hoping for, is that > someone can point me to where I can find information, of her arriving in > England from India or via wherever between her birth and her marriage dates. > > I would be very grateful for any suggestions. > > Regards. > Jean > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message