I'm looking for any connections to a family names SHAW, all born in and around the Liverpool area. Leopold SHAW = Elizabeth SANDERS abt 1864 abt 1867 Children William 1888 Florence 1900 John 1903 Dorothy 1906 Peter 1908 Ernest 1896 = Mary Abigail FAWCETT. 1903/1911 Other names associated with this line are LAIRD, HUNTER. Any connections received with my thanks Dave

Hello Sue, I see from your message below that your family history interests include people surnamed CHANDLER. I have found the Chandler Family Association very helpful. They have a genealogy panel which provides help free of charge to Chandler researchers everywhere. They have an amazing amount of information about Chandlers worldwide for hundreds of years. Their website home page is at http://chandlerfamilyassociation.org/ which has a link to their very friendly Genealogy Panel - why not give them a try? Best wishes Vicki 1. [ENG-LIV] Eaton St 1861 census [1]Hi everyone I bought the birth certificate for Margaret CHANDLER born April 1860 so I would hopefully have an address to find great grandparents John and Mary Ann CHANDLER nee FLYNN on the 1861 census. I can't find the family and think Margaret may have died in infancy as she is not with parents in 1871. Can't find John and Mary Ann's marriage either. I would like to search the whole street and surrounding streets and hope someone can give me the piece and folio number for Eaton St off Vauxhall Road. m http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/eng-liverpool/2008-08/1218043211 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 18:20:11 +0100 From: "Sue Miller" <>

Morning all, This morning's visit to the OPC website found the following records have been added: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 3 October 2012 Burials 1880 to 1898 from the Roman Catholic Church of Our Lady of the Immaculate Conception, Aspull, in the Town of Wigan Marriages 1888 to 1896 from the Church of St Paul in the Parish of Burnley Banns 1953 to 1965 from the Church of St Stephen in the Parish of Burnley Regards, Sally

Hello all, Here are the latest records to be added to the Lancashire Online Parish Clerk website: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/ 1 October 2012 Baptisms 1865 to 1873 from the Roman Catholic Church of St Joseph, in the District of Ancoats, Manchester Baptisms 1884 to 1908 from the Church of St John, Bolton Baptisms 1701 to 1733 and Burials 1680 to 1699 from the Church of St Elphin in the Parish of Warrington Baptisms 1922 to 1949 and Marriages1896 to 1920 from the Church of St Luke in the Parish of Warrington Regards, Sally

Thanks Sally, Making pulley blocks sounds like a likely field for an ex-mariner. Tony. > > This is a handy site for old occupations: http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/b.html > > According to them they worked at either... > > Block Maker > 1) Engraved or set up the blocks used in block printing > 2) Made pulley blocks > 3) Made hatmakers' blocks > > Regards, > Sally >

Thanks very much to Rosemary, Pat, Margaret and Robert for all your great assistance regarding Elizabeth FOSTER - or should I now say Elizabeth LOSH/ FOSTER/ SUMPTON/ JONES. You have all helped fill so many of my gaps. It has been a marvellous response. It is interesting that her father and first two husbands were all master mariners. Matthew FOSTER was originally a master mariner living at Bridgewater St., but I notice that in 1832 he was listed at that address as a block maker. Was that occupation related to boats? Thanks again to all concerned. Your responses have been wonderfully helpful. Tony.

Hi Tony, This is a handy site for old occupations: http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/b.html According to them they worked at either... Block Maker 1) Engraved or set up the blocks used in block printing 2) Made pulley blocks 3) Made hatmakers' blocks Regards, Sally --------------------------------------- > From: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 08:03:02 +1000 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Elizabeth FOSTER/SUMPTON > > Thanks very much to Rosemary, Pat, Margaret and Robert for all your great assistance regarding Elizabeth FOSTER - or should I now say Elizabeth LOSH/ FOSTER/ SUMPTON/ JONES. You have all helped fill so many of my gaps. It has been a marvellous response. > > It is interesting that her father and first two husbands were all master mariners. Matthew FOSTER was originally a master mariner living at Bridgewater St., but I notice that in 1832 he was listed at that address as a block maker. Was that occupation related to boats? > > Thanks again to all concerned. Your responses have been wonderfully helpful. > > Tony.

Hi Tony Looks like Elizabeth's second husband dies as the Liverpool Mercury report her marriage to Richard Lindop JONES (his christening is on the Lancashire on line site, Chr. St Peters 1818). Elizabeth in the paper is refered to as Mrs Peter SUMPTON, so must be her. Possible death for Peter in 1843 (Free BDM). Then sorry you are looking for "JONES" Good luck Regards Marg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony O'Grady" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 1:35 PM Subject: [ENG-LIV] Elizabeth FOSTER/SUMPTON > In March 1842 ELIZABETH FOSTER married PETER SUMPTON at Liverpool > (Vol.24.p.604, West Derby). The Quebec Mercury described her as "Widow of > the late M.Foster of that town (i.e. Liverpool) > > I have not been able to find any more information about her. Could anyone > on the list offer me any advice or assistance regarding ELIZABETH FOSTER?. > In particular I would love to get some help in locating her on any census > before and/or after the 1842 marriage. I am also looking for any details > about her first marriage, her first husband and any children of that > marriage. In addition, I am looking for details about her parents and her > date and place of birth. > > If anyone could assist on any of these I would be really delighted as, so > far, I have drawn blank after blank. > > Tony O'Grady. > Melbourne > Australia > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Bolton branch of MLFHS (http://www.mlfhs.org.uk/Bolton/) will hold its October meeting on Wednesday October 3rd 7.30pm at Bolton Cricket Club, Green Lane, Farnworth BL3 2JB. All are invited to attend. The meeting promises to be a particularly interesting one. Steve Gill, the nationally known photographer, will be talking about "Looking at the Past -- Preserving and Dating Old Photographs". He has asked for examples of old family photographs and plans to explain something about the the dating of these and to discuss the history of photography. He will also advise about preservation and the restoration of damaged prints. As usual, all are welcome and a Help Desk will be available for individual researchers after the meeting. All enquiries to Barbara Owen, Secretary, at 01204 309515. Note: Many thanks to fellow MLFHS member Jane M. for keeping us apprised of these meetings.

On 30/09/2012 1:35 PM, Tony O'Grady wrote: > In March 1842 ELIZABETH FOSTER married PETER SUMPTON at Liverpool (Vol.24.p.604, West Derby). The Quebec Mercury described her as "Widow of the late M.Foster of that town (i.e. Liverpool) > > I have not been able to find any more information about her. Could anyone on the list offer me any advice or assistance regarding ELIZABETH FOSTER?. In particular I would love to get some help in locating her on any census before and/or after the 1842 marriage. I am also looking for any details about her first marriage, her first husband and any children of that marriage. In addition, I am looking for details about her parents and her date and place of birth. > > If anyone could assist on any of these I would be really delighted as, so far, I have drawn blank after blank. > > Tony O'Grady. > Melbourne > Australia > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Hi Tony, I saw your message on my email because I am subscribed to the Liverpool list also. I live in Anglesea in Victoria, and I have found a few things that could help you. Ist Marriage 2nd Marriage 3rd Marriage and children. My email address is [email protected] if you contact me I could send the copies to you. Best wishes, Pat.

In March 1842 ELIZABETH FOSTER married PETER SUMPTON at Liverpool (Vol.24.p.604, West Derby). The Quebec Mercury described her as "Widow of the late M.Foster of that town (i.e. Liverpool) I have not been able to find any more information about her. Could anyone on the list offer me any advice or assistance regarding ELIZABETH FOSTER?. In particular I would love to get some help in locating her on any census before and/or after the 1842 marriage. I am also looking for any details about her first marriage, her first husband and any children of that marriage. In addition, I am looking for details about her parents and her date and place of birth. If anyone could assist on any of these I would be really delighted as, so far, I have drawn blank after blank. Tony O'Grady. Melbourne Australia

My Dad worked at Ogden's West Derby Road for 45 years - I agree with Dave - - I have some great pic's of my Dad inside Ogden's mixing the tobacco by hand......... -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 25 September 2012 12:09 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-LIV] Fw: Munitions factory Sorry this is a bit of a long message. My sister-in-law worked at Ogdens for many years and my other sister-in-laws best pal worked there also, ditto her husband Dave. So I hope this below helps. Bill in Nanaimo Hi Bill Here is the answer from Dave hope this helps Ian Hi Ian, This story is I think nonsense. Amongst many other duties I was also in charge of the archives. Whilst at one time there were a number of Ogden locations they were closed when all production was centered on the current site in 1860. This was 54 years before and I know that there were no munitions made here ever. If this story had any validity I feel sure that some records would have existed within the archives which I had catalogued and valued following the takeover by Hanson. As a result several of the more valuable paintings were sold. Hope this helps Cheers Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 24 September 2012 02:57 > To: Ian Taylor > Subject: Fw: [ENG-LIV] Munitions factory > > I never heard of Ogden's being anything other than a tobacco factory. > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Railton > Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 2:32 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [ENG-LIV] Munitions factory > > A distant connection of mine worked at a munitions factory in WWI > which was located at the Ogdens tobacco factory. She lost her arm in > an explosion there. > > > > The story is that she was blown out of the factory onto the nearby > railway line where a train ran over her arm. I don't think this is > true; as far as I know there never was a railway line anywhere near > the factory. > > > > Can anyone direct me to information about the use of Ogdens as a > munitions factory in WWI and explosions there? Also possible nearby > railway lines? I know that it would not have been one of the main > munitions factories in Liverpool but I understand there were many > small sites set up. > > > > David > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think it is about WWII but I noticed this new series has an item tomorrow on munitions factories. Martin Briscoe Fort William [email protected] HISTORY DOCUMENTARY: How We Won the War On: BBC HD Date: Tuesday 25th September 2012 (starting in 1 day) Time: 18:30 to 19:00 (30 minutes long) Scotland. Episode 2. Jules Hudson seeks out the World War II stories of ordinary people doing extraordinary things. Jules travels to Scotland where he gets to grips with rationing and tastes some wartime treats. He discovers the dangers faced by hundreds of women in secret munitions factories and hears relatives recount the tales of the youngest victims of the war effort. (Stereo, Widescreen, High Definition, Subtitles, Audio Described) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Excerpt taken from DigiGuide - the world's best TV guide available from http://www.getdigiguide.tv/?p=1&r=7346 Copyright (c) GipsyMedia Limited.

Sorry this is a bit of a long message. My sister-in-law worked at Ogdens for many years and my other sister-in-laws best pal worked there also, ditto her husband Dave. So I hope this below helps. Bill in Nanaimo Hi Bill Here is the answer from Dave hope this helps Ian Hi Ian, This story is I think nonsense. Amongst many other duties I was also in charge of the archives. Whilst at one time there were a number of Ogden locations they were closed when all production was centered on the current site in 1860. This was 54 years before and I know that there were no munitions made here ever. If this story had any validity I feel sure that some records would have existed within the archives which I had catalogued and valued following the takeover by Hanson. As a result several of the more valuable paintings were sold. Hope this helps Cheers Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 24 September 2012 02:57 > To: Ian Taylor > Subject: Fw: [ENG-LIV] Munitions factory > > I never heard of Ogden's being anything other than a tobacco factory. > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Railton > Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 2:32 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [ENG-LIV] Munitions factory > > A distant connection of mine worked at a munitions factory in WWI > which was located at the Ogdens tobacco factory. She lost her arm in > an explosion there. > > > > The story is that she was blown out of the factory onto the nearby > railway line where a train ran over her arm. I don't think this is > true; as far as I know there never was a railway line anywhere near the factory. > > > > Can anyone direct me to information about the use of Ogdens as a > munitions factory in WWI and explosions there? Also possible nearby > railway lines? I know that it would not have been one of the main > munitions factories in Liverpool but I understand there were many small sites set up. > > > > David > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

  I don't know about Bland Park Farm but Stand Park Farm was sited where Our Lady of Walsingham is at the junction of Park Lane and what is now Dunnings Bridge Road.   Near The Park Hotel. Thanks to a splendid talk given at Crosby Library by Hilary Ambrose about this farm.    Barbara in Liverpool ________________________________ --------I can't see Bland Park Farm but I notice there is a soap factory marked on the 1928 map on the Old Maps website Aintree, Bland Park Farm, Sefton NFF No. 2, SJ 36 98 - Great War explosive factory and filling factory-------

There are adverts in 1920 in the Manchester Guardian for the sale of various items of plant at the No. 2 Filling Factory, Park Lane, Aintree There is another advert for sale of vehicles at Army Ordnance Depot at the same address Also one for sale at the National Aeroplane Factory, Aintree (came under Ministry of Munitions) Martin Briscoe Fort William [email protected]

The NGR puts it just West of Aintree railway station where there "Industrial Estate" is marked on the modern map. I can't see Bland Park Farm but I notice there is a soap factory marked on the 1928 map on the Old Maps website. Aintree, Bland Park Farm, Sefton NFF No. 2, SJ 36 98 - Great War explosive factory and filling factory I had a look on Google Earth but there is no coverage of that area on the Historic Imagery. If you do a search on Google for Aintree Filling Factory you will find quite a bit including a painting of the factory. Martin Briscoe Fort William [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Railton Sent: 23 September 2012 19:42 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Munitions factory Thanks to all who replied to my query. Since posting it I have come to the conclusion that the person concerned worked at the munitions factory at Aintree. I am not sure now why it was thought to be at Ogdens. So my questions now are where in Aintree this factory was and does anyone know of any explosions that occurred. I imagine that explosions at all munitions factories, or to be more precise munitions filling factories, were not unusual. David From: David Railton [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 23 September 2012 10:32 To: [email protected] ([email protected]) Subject: Munitions factory A distant connection of mine worked at a munitions factory in WWI which was located at the Ogdens tobacco factory. She lost her arm in an explosion there. The story is that she was blown out of the factory onto the nearby railway line where a train ran over her arm. I don't think this is true; as far as I know there never was a railway line anywhere near the factory. Can anyone direct me to information about the use of Ogdens as a munitions factory in WWI and explosions there? Also possible nearby railway lines? I know that it would not have been one of the main munitions factories in Liverpool but I understand there were many small sites set up. David ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to all who replied to my query. Since posting it I have come to the conclusion that the person concerned worked at the munitions factory at Aintree. I am not sure now why it was thought to be at Ogdens. So my questions now are where in Aintree this factory was and does anyone know of any explosions that occurred. I imagine that explosions at all munitions factories, or to be more precise munitions filling factories, were not unusual. David From: David Railton [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 23 September 2012 10:32 To: [email protected] ([email protected]) Subject: Munitions factory A distant connection of mine worked at a munitions factory in WWI which was located at the Ogdens tobacco factory. She lost her arm in an explosion there. The story is that she was blown out of the factory onto the nearby railway line where a train ran over her arm. I don't think this is true; as far as I know there never was a railway line anywhere near the factory. Can anyone direct me to information about the use of Ogdens as a munitions factory in WWI and explosions there? Also possible nearby railway lines? I know that it would not have been one of the main munitions factories in Liverpool but I understand there were many small sites set up. David

A hundred years ago, plenty of factories had their own private sidings taking off from railway company land, which were lifted when road transport improved. David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Marion Charlesworth To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Munitions factory Could it have been a tram-line rather than a rail-line? I seem to recall that part of Liverpool did have trams. Afraid I can't help with the munitions question, sorry. Marion, Sussex -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Railton Sent: 23 September 2012 10:32 To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-LIV] Munitions factory A distant connection of mine worked at a munitions factory in WWI which was located at the Ogdens tobacco factory. She lost her arm in an explosion there. The story is that she was blown out of the factory onto the nearby railway line where a train ran over her arm. I don't think this is true; as far as I know there never was a railway line anywhere near the factory. Can anyone direct me to information about the use of Ogdens as a munitions factory in WWI and explosions there? Also possible nearby railway lines? I know that it would not have been one of the main munitions factories in Liverpool but I understand there were many small sites set up. David

Hi Martin, Unfortunately I cannot add anything to David's search, but you might be able to help me as regards Munitions Factories. My father's RAF service record states that prior to his enlistment in 1943 he was a Progressman, and quotes his Employer as "IND CD 172.15. DIS. 130", and my birth certificate later the same year implies that this was an Ordinance Factory, which I suspect was either in or near Liverpool, or on the Wirral. Are you able to identify which one this was, or can you tell me where such data may be found? regards Tony -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Martin Briscoe Sent: 23 September 2012 11:14 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Munitions factory It does not seem to be listed in Wayne Cocroft's "Dangerous Energy" which is probably the most comprehensive book on explosive and munitions manufacture. Some accidents did seem to get reported in the local or national press. If you have an idea of the date and there were fatalities then you could try the CWGC database. In Merseyside there is listed: Aintree, Bland Park Farm, Sefton NFF No. 2, SJ 36 98 - Great War explosive factor and filling factory Kirkby, ROF FF No. 7, SJ 432 988 - WWII 1940 - 1945 explosives factory - filling factory Liverpool, Litherland, Brotherton & Co, H M Factory, SJ 53 97 - Great War 1913 - 1918 explosives factory - TNT. picric acid(?) Liverpool, NFF No. 2a, SJ 35 98, Great War explosives factory - filling factory Port Sunlight, Lever Brothers, SJ 34 84, Great War, soap factory - glycerine Sutton Oak, St Helens, UK Chemical Products Company, H M Factory, SJ 53 93 - Great War explosives factory - picric acid, phenol, arsenic compounds There could be others apart from these, often the post-war newspapers had adverts for the disposal of equipment at government sites like these. There is a remote possibility that a train running over a severed arm could be in railway accident records. Martin Briscoe Fort William [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Railton Sent: 23 September 2012 10:32 To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-LIV] Munitions factory A distant connection of mine worked at a munitions factory in WWI which was located at the Ogdens tobacco factory. She lost her arm in an explosion there. The story is that she was blown out of the factory onto the nearby railway line where a train ran over her arm. I don't think this is true; as far as I know there never was a railway line anywhere near the factory. Can anyone direct me to information about the use of Ogdens as a munitions factory in WWI and explosions there? Also possible nearby railway lines? I know that it would not have been one of the main munitions factories in Liverpool but I understand there were many small sites set up. David ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message