More from our friends at Lancashire BMD: 2 October 2012 Added 2,346 Births for Burnley RD comprising: Burnley (1971-1974) Amended 1,538 Births for Rochdale RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Butterworth Lordship (1837-1852) Amended 9,500 Births for Burnley RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Burnley (1877-1880) Added 6,010 Deaths for Oldham RD comprising: Oldham Below Town (1898-1901) Added 5,330 Deaths for Burnley RD comprising: Burnley (1966-1974) Added 16,928 Deaths for Rochdale RD comprising: Littleborough (1957-1974) Added 876 Marriages for Hyndburn RD comprising: Rossendale, Providence Chapel, Lumb (1954-2001); Newchurch, Mount Zion, Edgeside (1954-1987); Bacup, Wesleyan Chapel, Stacksteads (1931-1983); Rawtenstall, New Baptist Chapel, Goodshaw (1955-1980); Accrington, Cannon Street Baptist (1941-1963); Haslingden, New Jerusalem Church, John Street (1900-1996); Haslingden, New Methodist Church, Manchester Road (1948-1998); Helmshore, Methodist Church, Irwell Vale (1952-1992); Bacup, St John (1997-2007) Added 610 Marriages for Fleetwood and Fylde RD comprising: Fairhaven, St.Paul (1978-2011); Lytham, St.Cuthbert (1975-2010) 13 October 2012 Added 6,928 Births for North Sefton RD comprising: Formby (1876-1880); North Meols (1876-1880) 23 October 2012 Added 15,249 Births for Bury RD comprising: Bury North (1889-1907); Elton (1896-1901); Whitefield (1898-1902) Amended 11,002 Births for Burnley RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Burnley (1880-1884) Added 38,515 Deaths for Manchester RD comprising: Hulme (1864-1883) Added 4,008 Deaths for Bury RD comprising: Pilkington (1878-1887); Prestwich (1877-1885) Added 3,158 Deaths for Burnley RD comprising: Burnley (1970-1974) Added 6,669 Deaths for Liverpool RD comprising: St. George (1884-1906) Added 2,219 Marriages for Hyndburn RD comprising: Haslingden, United Reformed Church (1964-1984); Cloughfold, Sion Chapel (1947-1967); Accrington, Springhill Wesleyan Methodist (1967-1996); Rossendale, Wesleyan Chapel, Newchurch (1948-1989); Bacup, Baptist Chapel, Irwell Terrace (1975-1997); Waterbarn, Orchard Hill Chapel (1951-2001); Clayton, Wesleyan Methodist, Barnes Square (1950-2000); Rishton, High Street, Methodist Church (1961-2000); Great Harwood, Orchard Street Methodist (1961-1994); Rawtenstall, Kingdom Hall (1982-1989); Accrington, Kingdom Hall (1982-1999); Rishton, St Charles Catholic Church (1982-2004); Newchurch, St Peter's Church (1971-1976); Rawtenstall, Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints (1987-2010); Rossendale, Eden Chapel, Water (1962-2001); Haslingden, Ebenezer Baptist (1913-2002); Rossendale, Bethel Chapel, Waterfoot (1957-1993); Accrington, Cannon Street Baptist (1963-1993); Huncoat, Methodist Chapel (1953-1982); Haslingden, New Methodist C! hurch, Manchester Road (1998-2006); Accrington, New Jerusalem Church (1973-1980); Goodshawbooth, Rehoboth Church (1972-1973); Oswaldtwistle, Baptist Chapel, New Lane (1971-1997); Oswaldtwistle, Christian Institute, John Street (1985-2003); Church, Ernest Street Baptist Church (1968-1994); Oswaldtwistle, Rhyddings Methodist (1970-1998); Oswaldtwistle, Holy Trinity Free Church (1971-2006); Oswaldtwistle, West End Methodist (1954-1978); Oswaldtwistle, Methodist Church, Stanhill (1989-2000); Oswaldtwistle, Green Haworth Methodist Chapel (1974-1981); Stonefold, St John (1947-2000) ~ ~ ~ ~ Many thanks to all responsible! Search for your ancestors in Lancashire at http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk or use the multi-region search at http://www.ukbmdsearch.org.uk/ Happy searching! Lynne

>From our friends at Lancashire BMD: 6 September 2012 Added 21,010 Births for Manchester RD comprising: Cheetham (1917-1919); Newton Heath (1908-1926) Added 8,785 Births for Burnley RD comprising: Burnley (1966-1974) Added 2,041 Births for Bury RD comprising: Bury North (1886-1889) Added 3,969 Births for Blackburn RD comprising: Blackburn East (1959-1961); Darwen (1974-1974) Added 2,010 Deaths for Bury RD comprising: Prestwich (1877-1885) Added 20,629 Deaths for Liverpool RD comprising: Islington (1884-1904); Howard Street (1884-1893); St. George (1881-1898) Added 24,015 Deaths for Oldham RD comprising: Oldham South (1905-1911); Oldham East (1905-1911); Oldham Below Town (1891-1898) Added 12,893 Marriages for St Helens RD comprising: St Peter Newton (1845-1988); St. Helens Register Office or Registrar Attended (1935-1954) 25 September 2012 Added 26,904 Births for Manchester RD comprising: West Manchester (1917-1925); East Manchester (1917-1925) Amended 16,663 Births for Wigan and Leigh RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Westleigh (1888-1895); Wigan (West) (West), registers at Wigan & Leigh (1890-1950); Wigan (Central) (Central), registers at Wigan & Leigh (1894-1950) Added 2,552 Marriages for Blackburn RD comprising: Blackburn Register Office or Registrar Attended (1959-1968) Added 1,756 Marriages for Hyndburn RD comprising: Rossendale, Bethlehem Chapel, Newchurch (1955-1985); Bacup, United Methodist, Waterside (1948-1995); Rawtenstall, Longholme Wesleyan Chapel (1953-1984); Accrington, Cannon Street Baptist (1993-2006); Huncoat, Methodist Chapel (1984-2002); Haslingden, Pimitive Methodist, Grane Road (1947-1953); Haslingden, Congregational Church (1913-1932); Facit, St John (1986-2009); Oswaldtwistle, Immanuel (1840-1877) ~ ~ ~ ~ Cheshire BMD and Yorkshire BMD have also been updated. Many thanks to all responsible! Search for your ancestors in Lancashire at http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk or use the multi-region search at http://www.ukbmdsearch.org.uk/ Happy searching! Lynne

Hello everyone, This morning's visit to the OPC website found the following records have been added: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 23 October 2012 Baptisms 1901 to 1904 from the Church of St John, Abram These Records complete the Register of Baptisms for 1897 to 1904. A parallel set of baptisms extracted from the Parish Magazine is also available for the years 1902 to 1904 Marriages 1901 to 1919 from St Elizabeth of Hungary, Aspull, in the Town of Wigan Completes the Register of Marriages for 1883 to 1907 Marriages 1861 to 1891 from the Roman Catholic Church of Our Lady of the Immaculate Conception, Aspull, in the Town of Wigan Marriages 1885 to 1907 from the Church of St St Stephen, Audenshaw Baptisms 1899 to 1950 and Burials 1872 to 1899 from the Church of St Aidan in the Parish of Billinge Marriages 1884 to 1892 from the Church of St Paul, Blackburn Baptisms 1864 to 1874 from the Church of St James, Blackburn Baptisms 1826 to 1840 from the Roman Catholic Church of St Alban, Lark Hill, Blackburn Marriages 1882 to 1908 from All Saints Church, Bolton Baptisms 1908 to 1949 from the Church of St John, Bolton Marriages 1911 to 1923 from the Church of St Thomas the Apostle, Halliwell, Bolton Baptisms 1900 to 1950 from the Independent Chapel, Little Lever Marriages 1875 to 1882 and Burials 1822 to 1830 from the Church of St Peter in the Parish of Burnley Marriages 1871 to 1896 from the Church of St James in the Parish of Burnley Marriages 1830 to 1837 from the Parish of Church Kirk Baptisms 1848 to 1873 from the Roman Catholic Church of St Mary in the Parish of Clayton le Moors Marriages 1943 to 1955 from St Mary the Virgin in the Parish of Goosnargh Baptisms 1884 to 1889 and 1898 to 1900 and Marriages 1848 to 1855 from the Church of the Holy Trinity in the Parish of Habergham Eaves Completes the Register of Baptisms for 1881 to 1889 Baptisms 1996 to 2012, Burials 1841 to 1880 and Confirmations 2005 to 2007 from the Church of St John the Divine, Holme in Cliviger Burials from the BTs for the years 1841 to 1852 are replaced with the contents of the Parish register Marriages 1880 to 1895 from the Church of St Matthew the Apostle, Habergham Eaves Baptisms 1871 to 1924 from Church of St Andrew in the Town of Wigan An update to the Register of Baptisms for 1871 to 1901 from Original register at Wigan Archives Adding entries missing from the previous source Baptisms 1860 to 1893 from St Catharine, Wigan Records from the Parish Register replace BTs from 1876 onwards, with a small batch of BTs remaining for 1893 Regards, Sally

Many thanks Anne & Vern for your various suggestions - especially the two ship links of which I was unaware and castlegarden.org. I shall add them all to my favourites. Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: Anne Peat [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 22 October 2012 13:18 Find My Past has UK outgoing passenger lists, but only from 1890 onwards. You could try finding them on entry to the US, There is the Ellis Island site, http://www.ellisisland.org/ but that only starts from 1892 You might find something on http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/passengerlists/index.htm This might also help http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/ Also, don't ignore the fact that many people bound for New York entered the new world via Canada. Mine, who went to Ohio eventually, did. Anne

Hi Sally, No, unfortunately I do not have access to US census. Rosemary kindly sent me the image of an 1880 census entry for a Henry C Blackmore age 30 but I don't think it is him because he is with wife Elizabeth age 22 (he married Harriet in 1872) and daughter Grace, age 1. The only evidence I have for Henry in New York (or any of them for that matter) is from family search which shows the marriage of Henry Blackmore to Harriet Waterson in New York in 1872. I would like to be able to find the birth of their child William Henry too. The tree I was handed down (which has already been shown to have errors) gives his parents as Henry & Harriet and his birth as 1870 which would make him illegitimate though but of course the date on the tree may well be incorrect. Rosemary also very kindly sent me a strong possibility of William & Elizabeth in London, Canada in 1861 but without any children. The only problem is it shows Elizabeth as being 11 years younger than William whereas i thought it was only a couple of years so I am just keeping this one on hold for the moment. Rosemary was also very astute in noticing that the Wm & Eliz Blackmore on the Canadian census were Methodist (if that is what M means). As The Zion Free Gospel Chapel in Liverpool was where their third son John was baptised in 1846 was also Methodist, it does tie in. Kind regards Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: sally roberts [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 23 October 2012 16:49 To: englanliverpool Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Outgoing passenger records Liverpool to New York / US BMD & Census records for William BLACKMORE Hi Carolyn, I take it you have sight of William Henry Blackmore on the American census? Does it not give you details of the year that William arrived in the country on them? That way it would enable any searching of sailing schedules to be narrowed down to relevant years. Regards, Sally

>From our friend Barb in Ontario, Canada. Note the mention of BENNETT, ironfounder, of Liverpool. -----Forwarded Message----- > >LOCAL AND GENERAL NEWS. > >PRINCE BISMARCK has obtained the Emperor's consent to prosecutions of the publishers of the diary of the EMPEROR FREDERICK on the ground of the revelation of State secrets. >____________ > >COLONEL GRAHAM, commander of the Sikkim expedition, has inflicted a severe defeat upon the Thibetans, having captured their camp in Jelapla Pass and routed them with a loss of 400 killed and wounded. On our side COL. BROMHEAD lost his right arm, and nine Sepoys were wounded. >_____________ > >THE ATLANTIC RECORD BROKEN. - The Cunard steamship Etruria arrived at New York on Saturday, having made the fastest passage on record from England - 5 days, 23 minutes, 56 seconds. >______________ > >ACCIDENT AT COCKERMOUTH. - On Saturday as MR. J. BIRKETT, fish dealer, Cockermouth, was watering the plants on the window sill of his house, he fell from the step-ladder and fractured his lower jaw. DR. FORSYTH subsequently reduced the fracture. > >________________ > >DEATH FROM EXCITEMENT. - An extraordinary fatality occurred on Monday afternoon at Cardiff. A man named CHAPMAN, who had been pigeon flying, became much excited on receiving news of the success of his birds, and without a word of warning, dropped down dead. >________________ > >A JUVENILE IMITATION OF PROFESSOR BALDWIN, residing in a London suburb, sustained a serious accident on Wednesday. Using an open umbrella as a parachute, he jumped from an upper window, but fell heavily in the yard, and was picked up unconscious. >________________ > >GALLANT ACTION has been performed by the son of MR. W. BENNETT, ironfounder, of Liverpool, who rescued his little sister at Broadgreen Railway Station, when a rapidly-approaching train was within a yard of her. He rolled with the child in his arms into the "six foot" as the train dashed past. >________________ > >THE MORESBY COLLIERY COMPANY have, we understand, commenced this week to run a workmen's train every morning between Arlecdon Station and Oatlands Colliery, on the Cleator and Workington Junction Railway, for the convenience of their workman and in consideration of their increasing number from Arlecdon district. >________________ > >LECTURE AT FLIMBY. - On Monday evening, the Wesleyan Chapel at Fimby was crowded to its utmost by a large and appreciative audience, on the occasion of an able and interesting lecture by the REV. CHARLES BINGANT, of Maryport, entitled "Tom o' Jack's Lad.: MR. ROBERT FERGUSON presided. After the usual vote of thanks, a collection was made on behalf of the chapel trust fund. >________________ > >MR. SUARTS EXCURSION - TO GLASGOW. - Our readers will note that another popular trip is being run to Glasgow Exhibition by our enterprising big brother, MR. GEORGE SUART, on Monday first. It is a capital opportunity for visiting the big city, and no doubt if the present beautiful weather holds there will be a very large number going. We hope the trip will be a great success. > >_________________ > >THE MAN WHO FEELS BUMPS. - Since Tuesday night, MR. MARK MOORES, Prof. of Phrenology and kindred sciences, has been having large audiences nightly in the Assembly Rooms, and "reading bumps" wholesale. The lectures given by PROF. MOORES are both instructive and entertaining, and his delineations are wonderfully accurate. Those of our readers who have not been, should drop in to-night or to-morrow night and see the entertainment. > >_________________ > >A NEW BOOT AND SHOE SHOP FOR WORKINGTON. - JAMES H. KELLY begs respectfully to intimate to the Clergy, Gentry, and Public Generally, that he has Commenced in Business at 16 Station Road, with an entire New Stock of every Description of Boots, Shoes, and Slippers, where they can rely on getting a really good article at the most economical Prices. Special attention given to Measured Work. A Trial respectfully solicited. Note address, 16 Station Road, (opposite MR. H. SHACKLEY's butcher.). >__________________ > >IRISH NATIONAL LEAGUE MEETINGS, WORKINGTON. - On Sunday last, there was a large attendance of members, MR. WM. TRAINER presiding. The meeting was called to consider the appointment of a delegate to represent the branch at the convention which will be held at Birmingham to-day. There were 3 candidates to select from, and a vote was taken which resulted in MR. ELLERSHAW being chosen - by a great majority. To-morrow (Sunday) MR. ROSS of Maryport will address a meeting in the League Rooms, Pow Street, the chair to be taken at 3 p.m. >______________________ > >ACCIDENT AT THE LOWTHER IRONWORKS. - A serious accident occurred to three men at the Lowther Ironworks, Workington, on Monday, afternoon. The men named MCKITTRICK, HARRISON, and BURNS were taking the bottom out of a cupola when a quantity of the molten metal fell from the apparatus on to the ground which was wet at the time and caused it to explode. The men were very badly burned and bruised about the neck, arms, and back. DR. DUDGEON was called to the assistance of the men, who are now making very good progress. >______________________ > >BURGLARY AT WORKINGTON. - A few nights ago the furniture store of MR. JESSOP, Pow Street, Workington, was entered at a late hour. Entrance was obtained by forcing open the shop door in Pow-street. The robber or robbers decamped with the cash-box, which fortunately contained two threepenny pieces and a few coppers. On going his round, the constable discovered that the door was open, and an alarm was raised. The matter is in the hands of the police. There is reason for believing that the robbery was committed by persons who were familiar with the premises and the mode of barricading the shop door. >_____________________ > >A MAN KNOCKED DOWN WITH A HORSE AND TRAP. - On Wednesday afternoon, a painter named JOHN FLETCHER, living in Derwent Street, Workington, was knocked down near the "Star" office Finkle Street by a horse and trap belonging to MR. DIXON, Ribton, which was being driven up the street by RICHARD RIDGE, senior. FLETCHER was crossing the street in order to get out of the way of a horse. Whilst doing so, Dixon's trap came past and knocked down before the driver could pull horse up. The man was very much shaken, and bruised about his nose. He was taken home in Dixon's vehicle. The street is dangerously narrow at the place, and it is a wonderful thing that so few accidents happen. > >_____________________ > > >SPECIAL MEETING OF THE WORKINGTON LOCAL BOARD. - On Monday afternoon a special meeting of the Workington Local Board was held for the purpose of sealing a power of attorney, authorizing the Board's brokers (MESSRS. BRAGG, STOCKDALE, AND CO.) to sell out consols to produce £4, 283 6s 8d. The members present were MESSRS. G. J. SMITH (chairman), J. MILBURN, J. FLETCHER, W. WILSON, W. CARRUTHERS; with MR. J. WARWICK (clerk). It was explained that the stock formed part of the sinking fund, and the Board were selling out in order to pay off bonds which had become due. As the Board is paying 4 per cent. on the bonds, and only receiving 2-3/4 per cent. on the sinking fund invested in consols, a considerable saving would thus be effected. >__Barb, Ontario, Canada.

For some unknown reason a Panorama was put out a few weeks ago in the time slot used for Who Do You Think You Are. If that had not been there the series would have finished last week. A new Michael Palin series starts in that timeslot next week so a contributor to the programme has been told by a member of the production team that it will go out on 12th December 1t 2100h. To quote from the message posted on ROOTSWEB I received the following e-mail from a member of the production team..... "We are pleased to inform you that we have a confirmed TX date for John Bishop. This will be transmitting on Wednesday the 12th of December 2012, 9pm on BBC One, UK time. See below TX card for more information. We hope you will tune in to watch the final programme in Series 9 of Who Do You Think You Are? Just to let you know Who Do You Think You Are? will be returning in Summer 2013 for the tenth series." It looks as if the final programme in the series has been delayed to make way for Michael Palin. However, I would check regularly before the above date if I were you because they do seem to move it about! Martin Briscoe Fort William [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of hobby.horse Sent: 24 October 2012 06:52 To: LIVERPOOL Mailing List Subject: [ENG-LIV] WDYTYA Hi there Does anyone know what's happened to the final episode of Who do You Think You Are? It should be on BBC1 tonight but seems to have been dropped. As it seems to have a Liverpool background I've been looking forward to it!

At the end of the last one, it was said, that it is to be shown later in the year. Jean Sent from my iPhone On 24 Oct 2012, at 06:51 AM, "hobby.horse" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi there > > Does anyone know what's happened to the final episode of Who do You Think You Are? It should be on BBC1 tonight but seems to have been dropped. As it seems to have a Liverpool background I've been looking forward to it! > > Meg > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi there Does anyone know what's happened to the final episode of Who do You Think You Are? It should be on BBC1 tonight but seems to have been dropped. As it seems to have a Liverpool background I've been looking forward to it! Meg

I use MacFamily Tree http://www.syniumsoftware.com/macfamilytree/sync.html on my Imac, you can easily change the font and edit charts etc but haven't used it on an ipad. Dave On 23 Oct 2012, at 02:12, Emily wrote: Hope someone on the list, can help with the following, I want to load my research onto my Ipad but need a program with decent size print. I downloaded FamilySearch but find print to small, I tried to enlarge print but no luck?? Thanks Emily ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Carolyn, I take it you have sight of William Henry Blackmore on the American census? Does it not give you details of the year that William arrived in the country on them? That way it would enable any searching of sailing schedules to be narrowed down to relevant years. Regards, Sally > Before I went to bed last night I had also come to the conclusion that the > 1851 family in Bangor were in fact the correct one. I think it was the > marriage to Elizabeth BROWN that threw me off the scent. We know she was > Elizabeth HOLLAND from Henry Wm's marriage in New York so I thought > incorrectly that the Bangor family probably belonged to Elizabeth Brown, > especially as we had been told the couple emigrated straight after their > marriage - just shows, you can't believe anyone! This William Henry is my > husband's great grandfather. Now I need to ascertain whether the whole > family or just the 4th child Henry went out to NY. Family search shows his > marriage to Harriet Waterson in 1872, New York.

Thank you. I remembered there was a site, but couldn't find the link. Hope it helps Sally. Anne On 23 Oct 2012, at 13:49, Vern Prescott wrote: > Pre 1892 immigration records for New York might be found at castlegarden.org > > Vern in Ontario > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Anne Peat <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Find My Past has UK outgoing passenger lists, but only from 1890 onwards. >> You could try finding them on entry to the US, There is the Ellis Island site, http://www.ellisisland.org/ but that only starts from 1892 >> > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Begin forwarded message: > From: Anne Peat <[email protected]> > Date: 22 October 2012 13:17:57 GMT+01:00 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Outgoing passenger records Liverpool to New York / US BMD & Census records for William BLACKMORE > > Find My Past has UK outgoing passenger lists, but only from 1890 onwards. > You could try finding them on entry to the US, There is the Ellis Island site, http://www.ellisisland.org/ but that only starts from 1892 > > You might find something on http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/passengerlists/index.htm > > This might also help > > http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/ > > Also, don't ignore the fact that many people bound for New York entered the new world via Canada. Mine, who went to Ohio eventually, did. > > HTH > > Anne > On 22 Oct 2012, at 12:50, Carolyn McCartney wrote: > >> Please could someone tell me where I can find outgoing passenger records for >> about 1839? >> >> I thought if I could find them as outgoing passengers it might confirm >> whether they married before they left Liverpool or when they got to New >> York. Also, if anyone has a worldwide sub to Ancestry too and can find the >> births of their children or census info for them I would be most grateful. >> >> Carolyn >> >> >> >

Dear Sally, Rosemary and Wendy You are all so helpful on this list, thank you so much for taking the trouble to help me with all this. I have been doing fh for so many years and still seem to be useless! Before I went to bed last night I had also come to the conclusion that the 1851 family in Bangor were in fact the correct one. I think it was the marriage to Elizabeth BROWN that threw me off the scent. We know she was Elizabeth HOLLAND from Henry Wm's marriage in New York so I thought incorrectly that the Bangor family probably belonged to Elizabeth Brown, especially as we had been told the couple emigrated straight after their marriage - just shows, you can't believe anyone! This William Henry is my husband's great grandfather. Now I need to ascertain whether the whole family or just the 4th child Henry went out to NY. Family search shows his marriage to Harriet Waterson in 1872, New York. One last question, how should I go about making sure that, lets say John (a more common name), who was baptized in the Zion Free Gospel Chapel in 1846 isn't the son of William B & Elizabeth BROWN or do you think this is a mis-transcription and that was really meant to be Elizabeth HOLLAND as we can't find their marriage anywhere? Especially as there don't seem to be any more relevant William & Eliz B's to be found in the census? Sally, thank you also for reminding me about all the OPC Liverpool records available - I completely forgot about them and they are such a wonderful resource! I am away from home and my study at the moment so shall put it down to that! Many thanks again for your help all of you, I am most grateful. Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: sally roberts [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 22 October 2012 13:10 To: englanliverpool Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Outgoing passenger records Liverpool to New York / US BMD & Census records for William BLACKMORE Hi Carolyn, This death reference is shown in England, so perhaps you could have another look round on our census before looking for any passenger records.... Name: Isaac Holland Blackmore Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1855 Registration district: Liverpool Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 8b Page: 177 Regards, Sally ---------------------------------------- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 12:50:00 +0100 > Subject: [ENG-LIV] Outgoing passenger records Liverpool to New York / > US BMD & Census records for William BLACKMORE > > Please could someone tell me where I can find outgoing passenger > records for about 1839? I have an Ancestry sub but they only appear to > have incoming records. I am looking for a William Blackmore who > supposedly married an Elizabeth Holland in 1839 in Liverpool and > emigrated to New York. They had 7 children there (not proved), Sarah > 1840, William Henry 1843, John 1845, Henry William 1848, Isaac Holland 1854, Thomas 1856, and Amelia 1860. > Unfortunately,

Pre 1892 immigration records for New York might be found at castlegarden.org Vern in Ontario On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Anne Peat <[email protected]> wrote: > > Find My Past has UK outgoing passenger lists, but only from 1890 onwards. > You could try finding them on entry to the US, There is the Ellis Island site, http://www.ellisisland.org/ but that only starts from 1892 >

Hope someone on the list, can help with the following, I want to load my research onto my Ipad but need a program with decent size print. I downloaded FamilySearch but find print to small, I tried to enlarge print but no luck?? Thanks Emily

As far as I am aware, they don't exist. Please could someone tell me where I can find outgoing passenger records for about 1839?

If the previous information is correct, then this would appear to be a census sighting... 1841 Name: William Blackmore Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 Gender: Male Where born: Lancashire, England Civil parish: Walton On The Hill Hundred: West Derby County/Island: Lancashire Street Address: Bartons Lane, No 2 Court Occupation: Fireman William Blackmore 20 Elizabeth Blackmore 20 Sarah Blackmore 1 The death reference for Isaac Holland Blackmore I sent earlier, matched with a birth that was registered in 1852 in Anglesey, Wales. On that basis, this would appear to be the family in 1851 Name: William Blackmore Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Blackmore Gender: Male Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil Parish or Township: Bangor Ecclesiastical parish: Bangor Town: Bangor County/Island: Caernarvonshire Country: Wales Residence (?Holyhead) Cottages (All born Liverpool) William Blackmore 30 - Railway Engine Driver Elizabeth Blackmore 31 Sarah Blackmore 11 John Blackmore 5 William Blackmore 3 Henry Blackmore 9 Mo Regards, Sally > > I thought if I could find them as outgoing passengers it might confirm > whether they married before they left Liverpool or when they got to New > York. Also, if anyone has a worldwide sub to Ancestry too and can find the > births of their children or census info for them I would be most grateful. > > Carolyn

Hi Carolyn, This marriage entry is on Ancestry, although you'll see the bride's surname is not Holland so it may be a coincidence... Name: William Blackmore (Bachelor. Engineer. of Parliament Street) Age: Full Age Marriage Date: 28 Oct 1839 Parish: Liverpool St Nicholas Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Brown (Spinster. of London Road) Father's Name: William Blackmore (Occ: Gardener) Spouse Father's Name: Henry Brown (Occ: Joiner) Also on the OPC website: Baptisms: 5 Jul 1840 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Sarah Blackmore - Child of William Blackmore & Elizabeth Abode: Pretoria St Windsor Occupation: Engineer Baptised by: Thos. Halton M. A. Curate Register: Baptisms 1839 - 1840, Page 291, Entry 2322 Source: LDS Film 1656423 Baptisms: 2 Oct 1843 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England William Henry Blackmore - Child of William Blackmore & Elizabeth Abode: Barton Lane, Windsor Occupation: Fireman Baptised by: Thos Halton, Curate Register: Baptisms 1842 - 1843, Page 372, Entry 2969 Source: LDS Film 93884 Baptisms: 17 May 1846 Zion Free Gospel Chapel, Liverpool, Lancashire, England John Blackmore - Son of William Blackmore & Elizabeth Baptised by: W. Sanderson Minister Register: Baptisms 1845 - 1895, Page 1, Entry 4 Source: LDS Film 1595373 Regards, Sally I am looking for a William Blackmore who supposedly married an > Elizabeth Holland in 1839 in Liverpool and emigrated to New York. They had 7 > children there (not proved), Sarah 1840, William Henry 1843, John 1845, > Henry William 1848, Isaac Holland 1854, Thomas 1856, and Amelia 1860. > Unfortunately, I don't have a worldwide sub so cannot look for these > children and nor can I find a marriage for William and Elizabeth in > Liverpool, so am not doing very well!

Find My Past has UK outgoing passenger lists, but only from 1890 onwards. You could try finding them on entry to the US, There is the Ellis Island site, http://www.ellisisland.org/ but that only starts from 1892 You might find something on http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/passengerlists/index.htm This might also help http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/ Also, don't ignore the fact that many people bound for New York entered the new world via Canada. Mine, who went to Ohio eventually, did. HTH Anne On 22 Oct 2012, at 12:50, Carolyn McCartney wrote: > Please could someone tell me where I can find outgoing passenger records for > about 1839? > > I thought if I could find them as outgoing passengers it might confirm > whether they married before they left Liverpool or when they got to New > York. Also, if anyone has a worldwide sub to Ancestry too and can find the > births of their children or census info for them I would be most grateful. > > Carolyn > > >