Morning all, This morning's visit to the Lancashire OPC website found the following databases have been added: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 5 November 2012 Burials 1899 to 1918 from the Church of St John, Abram Marriages 1931 to 1946 from St Elizabeth of Hungary, Aspull, in the Town of Wigan Baptisms 1855 to 1874 from the Roman Catholic Church of Our Lady of the Immaculate Conception, Aspull, in the Town of Wigan Burials 1908 to 1937 from Bacup Cemetery Baptisms 1832 to 1877 from the Church of St Paul, Blackburn Baptisms 1883 to 1890 from All Saints in the Parish of Clayton le Moors Adding to the as yet incomplete Register of Baptisms for 1869 to 1890 Baptisms 1825 to 1847 from the Roman Catholic Church of St Mary in the Parish of Clayton le Moors Marriages 1844 to 1845, 1849 to 1850 and 1860 to 1861 from the Church of St Mary the Virgin, Eccles Baptisms 1863 from the Church of St Peter, Liverpool Banns 1897 to 1900 and Burials 1868 to 1872 from Immanuel in the Parish of Oswaldtwistle Baptisms 1771 to 1775 from St John in the Town of Preston Baptisms 1869 to 1876 from the Church of St Clement, Toxteth, Liverpool Baptisms 1899 to 1918 from the Church of St Michael, Whitewell Replacing BTs covering part of this peiod and filling in significant gaps with contents of the Parish Registers Baptisms 1893 to 1893 from St Catharine, Wigan Happy hunting! Regards, Sally

Can someone resend this testing please? ----- Original Message ----- From: "sally roberts" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; "englanliverpool" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Cemetery Research Prior to 1851 (Need some information) > > Hi Anthony, > > The remarkable Genuki website is always a good reference point for this > sort of information > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/ToxtethPark/index.html > > Hope it helps, > Regards, > Sally > ---------------------------------------- >> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 10:14:21 -0700 >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [ENG-LIV] Cemetery Research Prior to 1851 (Need some >> information) >> >> Hello Listers >> >> I am interested in trying to locate where my ancestors are buried at. I'm >> not sure if I am correct but >> >> >> Toxteth Park Cemetery Opened up 1856 >> Anfield Opened 1863 >> Everton Opened 1880 >> Kirkdale Opened 1881 >> West Derby Opened 1884 >> Allerton Opened 1909 >> Bootle Opened up 1919 >> >> my question is, Where were people buried at before the opening of Toxteth >> Park Cemtery? >> >> Is there a website with places of cemeteries or churchyards i beleive >> there called, from before 1856. I would like to know the names of the >> Cemteries before 1856 and possibly where to find the burials at. >> >> Any information appreciated > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello all, This morning's visit to the OPC website found the following records have been added: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 1 November 2012 Marriages 1902 to 1908 and Burials 1881 to 1890 from the Church of St Peter in the Parish of Ashton under Lyne Marriages 1862 to 1883 from the Church of St John, Bolton Marriages 1885 to 1897 from the Church of St Mark, Bolton Marriages 1866 to 1873 from the Church of St Mary in the City of Manchester Baptisms 1926 to 1944 from St Clement, Ordsall Baptisms and Burials 1803 to 1812 from the Church of the Sacred Trinity, Salford Regards, Sally

Anne, Thankyou so much for the information re the Industrial Schools, it was so interesting that I've been glued to it for a while. Since their father had died and Mother had a young daughter it seems to me that the Family had dispersed over lancashire, several sisters were making their way to become nurses. It would seem they found their way to the Industrial school, hopefully to train to earn a living. Thankys again.....Meg

There is information about the Liverpool Industrial Schools at Kirkdale in the Workhouses site http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Liverpool/ Industrial schools were run by the Poor Law Unions in connection with the workhouses for children of inmates. But children who were deemed to be 'out of control' were often sent to them as well. HTH Anne On 1 Nov 2012, at 18:37, [email protected] wrote: > > The Kelly brothers were born in Widnes, Peter bc 1887 and Robert bc 1888, their Parents were Peter Kelly and Bridget (nee McCormack). Their elder brother Malachy died in WW1, in his service records he named Peter and Robert as his brother's, and gave Peter's address as 3, Hornby Street, Liverpool. Also he gave both brothers as being at The Industrial School, Liverpool. > > Could anyone give any information on either the brother's or the school in Liverpool. > > Thankyou for reading.....Meg

The Kelly brothers were born in Widnes, Peter bc 1887 and Robert bc 1888, their Parents were Peter Kelly and Bridget (nee McCormack). Their elder brother Malachy died in WW1, in his service records he named Peter and Robert as his brother's, and gave Peter's address as 3, Hornby Street, Liverpool. Also he gave both brothers as being at The Industrial School, Liverpool. Could anyone give any information on either the brother's or the school in Liverpool. Thankyou for reading.....Meg

Many thanks to all who replied and gave me some extra info.  I knew of Lower House Lane so thought there must be a connection. Pity no photo of it..I will take a trip to library next week and see what they have , if anything.   Thank you all...    Barbara in Liverpool

Barbara, Just a bit more info. found. Lower House Lane is named after the lone farmhouse which stood nearby. This was found on http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/105879 Jean

Hi Barabra, Below taken from Gore's Directory Liverpool and Suburbs 1911. Wood Mrs Ruth Farmer "LowerHouse Farm" Stainton Robt "LowerHouse Lodge" West Derby Cemetery. I can send you image of this page off list if you would like me to. I'm thinking the farm may of been where the Jewish Cemetery is now http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2479128 which is next to West Derby Cemetery. There is a Lodge just in side the gates of West Derby Cemetery, my Mum is buried in the Cemetery and I pass the Lodge, but have never thought to look at the name of the Lodge. Regards. Jean, Liverpool. On 1 November 2012 11:32, Barbara Harvey <[email protected]>wrote: > > > Can anyone help with the location ( other than it was in Fazakerley!) > with LOWER HOUSE FARM Faz. in 1919 please? I have a marriage cert of John > Sharples GREENBANK to Margaret QUINLAN with what appears to be Lower House > Farm --it may be Lawn House Farm. They were not at this address in 1911. > > Thanks in anticipation, > > Barbara in Liverpool > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Gordon & Barbara. I found Lower House Lane on modern maps going past West Derby Cemetery and wondered whether that was originally the farm. But the cemetery was opened in 1884, sp was there while Barbaras family were still in the Farm house. HTH Anne On 1 Nov 2012, at 16:28, Gordon Adshead wrote: > At 11:32 01/11/2012, Barbara Harvey wrote: >> Can anyone help with the location ( other than it was in >> Fazakerley!) with LOWER HOUSE FARM Faz. in 1919 please? I have a >> marriage cert of John Sharples GREENBANK to Margaret QUINLAN with >> what appears to be Lower House Farm --it may be Lawn House >> Farm. They were not at this address in 1911. >> Thanks in anticipation, >> Barbara in Liverpool > > Barbara > This makes me realise how lucky we are in Cheshire to have all the > Tithe Maps on-line ! > I assume this is not the case in Lancashire or Liverpool > > However > <www.streetmap.co.uk> does have 2x Lower House Lanes > I was pleased to see that one of them lines up with what I can read > of the 1850 map you can see from:- > <www.old-maps.co.uk> > By typing in "Fazakerley" and selecting to enlarge the 1850-1851 Map > Without paying for the map, it is quite hard to read on my screen > but it does look like "Lower House" at the bottom left > This is at SJ 393 953 and is at the SE corner of the modern West Derby Cemetery

The Bolton branch of the Manchester & Lancashire Family History Society (MLFHS) (http://www.mlfhs.org.uk/Bolton/) will hold its November meeting on Wednesday the 7th at 7.30pm at Bolton Cricket Club, Green Lane, Farnworth BL3 2JB. All are invited to attend. We have a return of Steve Williams the author and historian from Chorley talking about "Footballers in the Trenches". He plans to discuss how in WW1 men from all walks of life fought in the trenches on the Western Front and at Gallipoli, and he has collected some particular stories about some of the many thousands of professional and amateur footballers who were there and fought and died on these different playing fields. As usual, all are welcome and a Help Desk will be available for individual researchers after the meeting. All enquiries to Barbara Owen, Secretary, at 01204 309515. Note: Many thanks to fellow MLFHS member Jane M. for keeping us apprised of these meetings.

At 11:32 01/11/2012, Barbara Harvey wrote: >Can anyone help with the location ( other than it was in >Fazakerley!) with LOWER HOUSE FARM Faz. in 1919 please? I have a >marriage cert of John Sharples GREENBANK to Margaret QUINLAN with >what appears to be Lower House Farm --it may be Lawn House >Farm. They were not at this address in 1911. >Thanks in anticipation, > Barbara in Liverpool Barbara This makes me realise how lucky we are in Cheshire to have all the Tithe Maps on-line ! I assume this is not the case in Lancashire or Liverpool However <www.streetmap.co.uk> does have 2x Lower House Lanes I was pleased to see that one of them lines up with what I can read of the 1850 map you can see from:- <www.old-maps.co.uk> By typing in "Fazakerley" and selecting to enlarge the 1850-1851 Map Without paying for the map, it is quite hard to read on my screen but it does look like "Lower House" at the bottom left This is at SJ 393 953 and is at the SE corner of the modern West Derby Cemetery <http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?x=339369&y=395280> Is the area I am thinking of Best regards Gordon +Z [+Z] <http://www.adshead.com/> Gordon Adshead <[email protected]> [+Z] Beaumont House, 2 Goodrington Road, Handforth, Cheshire, SK9 3AT, UK [+Z] Tel:Fax:Msg:+44-1625-549770 Mob:+44-777-6145602

Hi Barbara, Lowerhouse House Farm was next to West Derby Cemetery,  Storrington Avenue runs right through the middle of the farm. In 1906, Jesse Wood, was the farmer. Best Regards, Peter. ________________________________ From: Barbara Harvey <[email protected]> To: eng-liv <[email protected]> Cc: lancsgen <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2012, 11:32 Subject: [ENG-LIV] Farm in Fazakerley Can anyone help with the location ( other than it was in Fazakerley!)  with LOWER HOUSE FARM Faz. in 1919 please?  I have a marriage cert of John Sharples GREENBANK to Margaret QUINLAN with what appears  to be Lower House Farm --it may be Lawn House Farm.  They were not at this address in 1911.   Thanks in anticipation,    Barbara in Liverpool ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at [email protected]  ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Anthony You can order the certificate from the GRO in the normal way for the standard charge of £9.25 but where it asks if you know the GRO Index Reference Number, tick the box saying you do NOT have these details. If you specify the middle year and they will search one year either side of this date. You can also specify the husband's name in the hope that he was the informant. If this does not match any of their 3 year search, you will not be sent a certificate and your money will be refunded in full as they are no longer allowed to charge for a checking service. I hope this helps. Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: Vern Prescott [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 31 October 2012 13:28 To: Anthony Michael; [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Ordering Death Certificates General Question Anthony, why not post details of the people you are after to the list and perhaps someone catch some clue you have missed. Vern in Ontario On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 10:15 PM, Anthony Michael <[email protected]> wrote: > I have a generalo question about ordering a death certificate. I am trying to rule out who my ancestor is married too and I found 3 possible mathces. > > These 3 women all died in the same county. But there is like a year apart from each death. I am trying to rule out which of these 3 women was his wife. > > I was wondering if there was a way that the records office can check > to see which of these women were his wife if I gave them the husbands > name or any other info. I beleive its called a reference check. If so > how much is it for the check and what other information would i need > > Any further inforamtion appreciated

Barbara, If you put it into Google, you come up with a reference to it in the street index to the 1851 census http://www.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/Streets1851/StreetsL.htm LVRO number2193.1.1 Piece No. 2193 Enumeration District no 1 Index Vol no.60/1 That might help you find nearby streets Anne On 1 Nov 2012, at 11:32, Barbara Harvey wrote: > > > Can anyone help with the location ( other than it was in Fazakerley!) with LOWER HOUSE FARM Faz. in 1919 please? I have a marriage cert of John Sharples GREENBANK to Margaret QUINLAN with what appears to be Lower House Farm --it may be Lawn House Farm. They were not at this address in 1911. > > Thanks in anticipation, > > Barbara in Liverpool

Can anyone help with the location ( other than it was in Fazakerley!)  with LOWER HOUSE FARM Faz. in 1919 please?  I have a marriage cert of John Sharples GREENBANK to Margaret QUINLAN with what appears  to be Lower House Farm --it may be Lawn House Farm.  They were not at this address in 1911.   Thanks in anticipation,    Barbara in Liverpool

I think they stopped as well. Only way I suppose is to get the certs at £9 each Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "sally roberts" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; "englanliverpool" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Ordering Death Certificates General Question > > Hi Anthony, > > I believe that the General Records Office stopped offering the reference > checks a couple of years back. > > I'm not sure if the local records office in Lancashire would be able to > offer you any assitance, but it's always worth asking - > https://lccsecure.lancashire.gov.uk/online/services/certificate/ > > Regards, > Sally > > ---------------------------------------- >> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 19:15:47 -0700 >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [ENG-LIV] Ordering Death Certificates General Question >> >> Hello, >> >> I have a generalo question about ordering a death certificate. I am >> trying to rule out who my ancestor is married too and I found 3 possible >> mathces. >> >> These 3 women all died in the same county. But there is like a year apart >> from each death. I am trying to rule out which of these 3 women was his >> wife. >> >> I was wondering if there was a way that the records office can check to >> see which of these women were his wife if I gave them the husbands name >> or any other info. I beleive its called a reference check. If so how much >> is it for the check and what other information would i need >> >> Any further inforamtion appreciated >> >> Anthony > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2742 / Virus Database: 2617/5863 - Release Date: 10/30/12 >

Hi Anthony, I believe that the General Records Office stopped offering the reference checks a couple of years back. I'm not sure if the local records office in Lancashire would be able to offer you any assitance, but it's always worth asking - https://lccsecure.lancashire.gov.uk/online/services/certificate/ Regards, Sally ---------------------------------------- > Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 19:15:47 -0700 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [ENG-LIV] Ordering Death Certificates General Question > > Hello, > > I have a generalo question about ordering a death certificate. I am trying to rule out who my ancestor is married too and I found 3 possible mathces. > > These 3 women all died in the same county. But there is like a year apart from each death. I am trying to rule out which of these 3 women was his wife. > > I was wondering if there was a way that the records office can check to see which of these women were his wife if I gave them the husbands name or any other info. I beleive its called a reference check. If so how much is it for the check and what other information would i need > > Any further inforamtion appreciated > > Anthony

Anthony, why not post details of the people you are after to the list and perhaps someone catch some clue you have missed. Vern in Ontario On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 10:15 PM, Anthony Michael <[email protected]> wrote: > I have a generalo question about ordering a death certificate. I am trying to rule out who my ancestor is married too and I found 3 possible mathces. > > These 3 women all died in the same county. But there is like a year apart from each death. I am trying to rule out which of these 3 women was his wife. > > I was wondering if there was a way that the records office can check to see which of these women were his wife if I gave them the husbands name or any other info. I beleive its called a reference check. If so how much is it for the check and what other information would i need > > Any further inforamtion appreciated

Hello, I have a generalo question about ordering a death certificate. I am trying to rule out who my ancestor is married too and I found 3 possible mathces. These 3 women all died in the same county. But there is like a year apart from each death. I am trying to rule out which of these 3 women was his wife. I was wondering if there was a way that the records office can check to see which of these women were his wife if I gave them the husbands name or any other info. I beleive its called a reference check. If so how much is it for the check and what other information would i need Any further inforamtion appreciated Anthony