Having looked at the 1841, I would say the name is Wiatt. I think the age of Francis is 49. It looks like he was born in Lancashire but the others were not. The age of Laetisia appears to be 91. Vern
possibly Francis Waitt On Mar 25, 2014, at 6:11 PM, Vern Prescott <vprescott@gmail.com> wrote: > This column should contain Y for yes, the person was born in the county > (Lancashire) or N for no the person was not born in the county. > > > On 25 March 2014 17:55, Fontaine Wiatt <f.wiatt@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >> I could use an extra set of eyes on a couple of census sheets from the >> 1841 and 1851 UK Census. >> >> In the 1841 Census there is a Francis Wiatt (age 44), who may be listed as >> Francis Wead, living in Liverpool, Lancashire. I am viewing this with >> Ancestry. >> >> This is the household: >> >> Frans Wead/Wiatt 44 >> Mary Wead/Wiatt 45 >> Francis Wead/Wiatt 21 >> Letitia Wead/Wiatt 91 (Possibly it says 27 ?) >> Helen Gafney 32 >> >> There is column to the right of the names; it is called "Where born". >> >> For Francis (age 44) I think it says "Y". >> >> But for Mary, Francis and Letitia it says ???? What is that symbol ? Is >> it an "L" ? >> >> If it is an "L", does infer Liverpool ?? >> Does the "Y" mean Lancashire ? >> >> Many thanks, >> >> W. W. >> >> >> >> >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> >> Admin Message - List guidelines: >> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >> >> The list admin can be contacted at >> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No >> fees! >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
This is ancestry’s description of the where born column:**The "Where Born" column only asked two questions - 1) whether born in same county, and 2) whether born in Scotland, Ireland, or Foreign Parts. Possible answers and abbreviations to question #1 include: Yes (Y), No, (N), or Not Known (NK). For question #2, the following abbreviations were used: Scotland (S), Ireland (I), and Foreign Parts On Mar 25, 2014, at 5:55 PM, Fontaine Wiatt <f.wiatt@yahoo.com> wrote: > > I could use an extra set of eyes on a couple of census sheets from the > 1841 and 1851 UK Census. > > In the 1841 Census there is a Francis Wiatt (age 44), who may be listed as Francis Wead, living in Liverpool, Lancashire. I am viewing this with Ancestry. > > This is the household: > > Frans Wead/Wiatt 44 > Mary Wead/Wiatt 45 > Francis Wead/Wiatt 21 > Letitia Wead/Wiatt 91 (Possibly it says 27 ?) > Helen Gafney 32 > > There is column to the right of the names; it is called "Where born”. > > For Francis (age 44) I think it says “Y”. > > But for Mary, Francis and Letitia it says ???? What is that symbol ? Is it an “L” ? > > If it is an “L”, does infer Liverpool ?? > Does the “Y” mean Lancashire ? > > Many thanks, > > W. W. > > > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
This column should contain Y for yes, the person was born in the county (Lancashire) or N for no the person was not born in the county. On 25 March 2014 17:55, Fontaine Wiatt <f.wiatt@yahoo.com> wrote: > > I could use an extra set of eyes on a couple of census sheets from the > 1841 and 1851 UK Census. > > In the 1841 Census there is a Francis Wiatt (age 44), who may be listed as > Francis Wead, living in Liverpool, Lancashire. I am viewing this with > Ancestry. > > This is the household: > > Frans Wead/Wiatt 44 > Mary Wead/Wiatt 45 > Francis Wead/Wiatt 21 > Letitia Wead/Wiatt 91 (Possibly it says 27 ?) > Helen Gafney 32 > > There is column to the right of the names; it is called "Where born". > > For Francis (age 44) I think it says "Y". > > But for Mary, Francis and Letitia it says ???? What is that symbol ? Is > it an "L" ? > > If it is an "L", does infer Liverpool ?? > Does the "Y" mean Lancashire ? > > Many thanks, > > W. W. > > > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Joan, Joan and Vern, Thank you for your help with this!!! Strange. In 1851 and 1861, Letitia (married now to Samuel Sherlock) is listed as born in Liverpool. Thanks again. William -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 3/25/14, JOAN ZORN <j.zorn@btinternet.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Question on 1841 Census To: "eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com" <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 11:27 PM The symbol next to Mary, Francis and Letitia is 'N' ie not born in county (Lancashire) Joan ________________________________ From: Joan Armistead <mominatornana@gmail.com> To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2014, 23:12 Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Question on 1841 Census possibly Francis Waitt On Mar 25, 2014, at 6:11 PM, Vern Prescott <vprescott@gmail.com> wrote: > This column should contain Y for yes, the person was born in the county > (Lancashire) or N for no the person was not born in the county. > > > On 25 March 2014 17:55, Fontaine Wiatt <f.wiatt@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >> I could use an extra set of eyes on a couple of census sheets from the >> 1841 and 1851 UK Census. >> >> In the 1841 Census there is a Francis Wiatt (age 44), who may be listed as >> Francis Wead, living in Liverpool, Lancashire. I am viewing this with >> Ancestry. >> >> This is the household: >> >> Frans Wead/Wiatt 44 >> Mary Wead/Wiatt 45 >> Francis Wead/Wiatt 21 >> Letitia Wead/Wiatt 91 (Possibly it says 27 ?) >> Helen Gafney 32 >> >> There is column to the right of the names; it is called "Where born". >> >> For Francis (age 44) I think it says "Y". >> >> But for Mary, Francis and Letitia it says ???? What is that symbol ? Is >> it an "L" ? >> >> If it is an "L", does infer Liverpool ?? >> Does the "Y" mean Lancashire ? >> >> Many thanks, >> >> W. W. >> >> >> >> >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> >> Admin Message - List guidelines: >> http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm >> >> The list admin can be contacted at >> Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No >> fees! >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Thank you Joan and Vern. I understand. But on the census sheet that I am looking at, it has a "Y" for Francis (age 44) and it has another symbol for his family members. I was hoping someone would look at it and tell me if they see the same thing I do. It might be a "L" for his family members. but it is not the same symbol that is marked for Francis. I would like a second, or third, opinion. Many Thanks! William -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 3/25/14, Joan Armistead <mominatornana@gmail.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] Question on 1841 Census To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 10:47 PM This is ancestry’s description of the where born column:**The "Where Born" column only asked two questions - 1) whether born in same county, and 2) whether born in Scotland, Ireland, or Foreign Parts. Possible answers and abbreviations to question #1 include: Yes (Y), No, (N), or Not Known (NK). For question #2, the following abbreviations were used: Scotland (S), Ireland (I), and Foreign Parts On Mar 25, 2014, at 5:55 PM, Fontaine Wiatt <f.wiatt@yahoo.com> wrote: > > I could use an extra set of eyes on a couple of census sheets from the > 1841 and 1851 UK Census. > > In the 1841 Census there is a Francis Wiatt (age 44), who may be listed as Francis Wead, living in Liverpool, Lancashire. I am viewing this with Ancestry. > > This is the household: > > Frans Wead/Wiatt 44 > Mary Wead/Wiatt 45 > Francis Wead/Wiatt 21 > Letitia Wead/Wiatt 91 (Possibly it says 27 ?) > Helen Gafney 32 > > There is column to the right of the names; it is called "Where born”. > > For Francis (age 44) I think it says “Y”. > > But for Mary, Francis and Letitia it says ???? What is that symbol ? Is it an “L” ? > > If it is an “L”, does infer Liverpool ?? > Does the “Y” mean Lancashire ? > > Many thanks, > > W. W. > > > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I could use an extra set of eyes on a couple of census sheets from the 1841 and 1851 UK Census. In the 1841 Census there is a Francis Wiatt (age 44), who may be listed as Francis Wead, living in Liverpool, Lancashire. I am viewing this with Ancestry. This is the household: Frans Wead/Wiatt 44 Mary Wead/Wiatt 45 Francis Wead/Wiatt 21 Letitia Wead/Wiatt 91 (Possibly it says 27 ?) Helen Gafney 32 There is column to the right of the names; it is called "Where born”. For Francis (age 44) I think it says “Y”. But for Mary, Francis and Letitia it says ???? What is that symbol ? Is it an “L” ? If it is an “L”, does infer Liverpool ?? Does the “Y” mean Lancashire ? Many thanks, W. W.
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Hello Listers, The following databases have been added to the Lancs OPC website. The search engine was last updated on 25th February, so all the records added for March so far will need to be searched for manually: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 24 March 2014 Confirmations 1872 to 1997 from the Roman Catholic Church of St Ann in the Parish of Ashton under Lyne Burials 1846 to 1873 from the Church of St Stephen, Audenshaw Baptisms 1950 to 1960 and Marriages 1939 to 1945 from All Hallows, Bispham Burials 1816 to 1820 from the Parish Church of St Peter, Bolton Marriages 1924 to 1953 from the Church of St Mark, Bolton Completes the Register of Marriages for 1918 to 1931 Baptisms 1949 to 1989 from Blackburn Rd Congregational Church, Bolton Completes the Register of Baptisms for 1897 to 1989 Baptisms 1847 to 1959 and Marriages 1898 to 1960 from Egerton Methodist Church, Bolton Baptisms 1895 to 1900 and Marriages 1911 to 1939 from the Church of St Luke, Halliwell, Bolton 19 March 2014 Marriages 1904 to 1908 from the Church of St Michael-in-the-Hamlet, in the district of Aigburth, Liverpool The completion of the Register of Marriages for 1900 to 1908 Marriages 1917 to 1925 from the Church of St Jerome, in the District of Ardwick, Manchester The completion of the Register of Marriages for 1915 to 1925 Marriages 1863 to 1877 from the Church of St Thomas, in the District of Ardwick, Manchester Marriages 1740 to 1831 and Burials 1701 to 1780 from the Priory Church of St Mary and St Michael in the Parish of Cartmel Baptisms 1876 to 1884 and Burials 1864 to 1881 from All Saints, in the District of Chorlton-on-Medlock, Manchester Marriages 1810 to 1813 from the Church of Holy Trinity and St Mary Magdalene, Liverpool The completion of the Register of Marriages for 1792 to 1813 Marriages 1846, 1848 to 1849, 1855 to 1857 and 1861 to 1862 from the Church of St Peter, Liverpool Deaths 1854 to 1894 from Oldham Rd Congregational Church (Independent Chapel), in the District of Miles Platting, Manchester 17 March 2014 Burials 1920 to 1926 from Rawtenstall Cemetery, Rawtenstall in Rossendale Baptisms 1813 to 1843, Marriages 1824 to 1835 and 1838 to 1846, and Burials 1813 to 1846 from the Church of St James, Ashworth in the Parish of Rochdale Baptisms 1679 to 1742 from the Church of St Peter and St Paul in the Parish of Ormskirk The registers previously online for 1679 to 1699 and 1699 to 1742 have been reworked, and a few missing entries have been added. Three pages of entries for non-conformist births and baptisms from 1696 to 1709, which appear within the 1679 to 1699 book, have now been extracted into a separate transcription. 15 March 2014 Baptisms 1894 to 1898, Banns 1948 to 1987 and Marriages 1941 to 1950 from the Church of the Holy Trinity in the Parish of Habergham Eaves Marriages 1920 to 1938 from the Church of St Matthew the Apostle, Habergham Eaves Confirmations 1976 to 2011 and Marriages 1977 to 2012 from the Church of St Peter in the Parish of Burnley Banns 1921 to 1951 and Marriages 1963 to 1967 from the Church of St Cuthbert, in the Parish of Burnley 25 February 2014 Baptisms 1830 to 1877 and Marriages 1836 to 1843 from the Church of St Margaret, Hollinwood Banns 1763 to 1766, Marriages 1758 to 1763 and Burials 1836 to 1843 from the Church of St Chad, Rochdale Banns 1758 to 1763 from the Church of St Chad, Rochdale form part of a joint Banns and Marriages register for 1758 to 1763, which replaces the Marriages previously online for these dates. Regards, Sally
Does anyone have access to a Directory for Birkenhead. I am helping a cousin with her Bibby family tree. Robert Pearson and Ellen Bibby married at St. Peters Church in 1825, they baptised there children there from 1827 to 1835, but Ellen and her children were born in Tranmere/Birkenhead, so she must have gone back to family to have her children. So I am searching for a Bibby family in Birkenhead. Hilary.
Morning, What do you know about Henry Hughes? I have two sisters Ann & Elinor Hughes marrying in Liverpool, their parents were Henry & Catherine (Jones) Hughes and they came from Llanystymdwy, Caernarvonshire Wales, I think they had a younger brother Henry. Dianne Hughes Teesdale Victoria Australia > I haven't posted this in awhile. Kikbride, descendants of William, born 1834 in Dearham, Cumberland, married Alice Booth 1856 at Manchester Cathedral. My ggrandmother, born 1859 in Liverpool, Married Henry Hughes at St. Mary's Walton-on-the-Hill, Feb 13, 1878. The Hughes' had six boys and six girls.Happy to entertain new rellies, Liz in Houston > > ____________________________________________________________ > LifeLock® Services > 24/7 Credit Fraud Monitoring Plan. Proactive Credit Fraud Protection. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/532cd5f73a88b55f70649st04duc > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Hi Diane, Henry was born in Chester, Cheshire. I THINK he was born about 1850. From his marriage certificate (to Alice) , his father's name was John, and deceased by 1878. Their first two children were Alice and Henry. If they followed English naming conventions, he may have had brothers named Charles and/or Arthur and a mother or sisters named Martha, Elisabeth, Edith or Lucy. These are Welsh names, and aren't generally found in the Kirkbride line. Henry was a railway porter and/or signalman. He likely died in 1903. My grandmother Elisabeth spoke Welsh. I think His father or grandfather was a coal miner. I haven't really researched Henry Hughes. The name is so common. What dates have you got for Ann & Elinor?Thanks for the reply....I've been away from genealogy for a few years, and I'd forgotten the thrill of a possible link. Liz ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Dianne Hughes <bill.di@bigpond.net.au> To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] KIRKBRIDES IN LIVERPOOL Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 12:08:55 +1100 Morning, What do you know about Henry Hughes? I have two sisters Ann & Elinor Hughes marrying in Liverpool, their parents were Henry & Catherine (Jones) Hughes and they came from Llanystymdwy, Caernarvonshire Wales, I think they had a younger brother Henry. Dianne Hughes Teesdale Victoria Australia > I haven't posted this in awhile. Kikbride, descendants of William, born 1834 in Dearham, Cumberland, married Alice Booth 1856 at Manchester Cathedral. My ggrandmother, born 1859 in Liverpool, Married Henry Hughes at St. Mary's Walton-on-the-Hill, Feb 13, 1878. The Hughes' had six boys and six girls.Happy to entertain new rellies, Liz in Houston > > ____________________________________________________________ The #1 Worst Carb Ever? Click to Learn #1 Carb that Kills Your Blood Sugar (Don't Eat This!) http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/532cf8923765678921593st03duc
You might try the British Regiments website, a rather moribund group now, but very helpful and knowledgeable some years ago, when I had reason to research the Liverpool Kings. ---------- Original Message ---------- From: John M Lloyd <j_m_c.lloyd@virgin.net> To: ENG-LIVERPOOL@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LIV] Professional Soldiers & the 1911 Census Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 11:30:26 +0000 My thanks for the very helpful replies regarding my census question. I am trying to fill in the blanks in the career of my great uncle, Thomas David Lloyd (born Toxteth 1873) who was described by his wife, Elizabeth Jane Lloyd, on her death in 1951 as a regular soldier. Thomas gave up his life as docker in 1889 and began a seven year stint with the King's Liverpool Regiment in which he travelled to various parts of the Empire. He returned to dock labouring but was recalled to the colours in 1899 at the outbreak of the Boer War in which he fought with distinction. He left the Army in 1901 and resumed dock labouring (1901 Census) He appears to have fought with the Liverpool Regiment in the First World War achieving the rank of Warrant Officer II. I cannot locate Thomas and family on the 1911 Census but suspect he must have rejoined the Army between 1901 and 1914. However I have not been able to find any relevant records. John ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Admin Message - List guidelines: http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm The list admin can be contacted at Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________ The #1 worst carb EVER (avoid) This health food causes fat gain, wild energy & blood sugar swings http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/532ce5f74e5cf65f773bcst03duc
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> From: r_folco@hotmail.com > To: eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 12:54:58 +0000 > Subject: [ENG-LIV] (no subject) > > Hi everyone, > > Wondering if there any BLACKLER'S still in Liverpool who are researching their families. My mother is from the Blackler families and if there is anyone researching I would be happy to hear from them to see if there is a connection as there are several different connections. > > Thank you Rosemary (Canada) > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi John, Have you seen these baptisms and 1911 census entry before? It may be a co-incidence, but.... Name: Robert Charles Lloyd Birth Date: 20 Jun Baptism Date: 2 Jul 1899 Parish: Toxteth, St James Father's Name: Thomas David Lloyd Mother's name: Elizabeth Jane Lloyd Reference Number: 283 JAM/2/6 1 Chester Street, Blair Place. Occ: Labourer Name: Mary Alice Lloyd Birth Date: 29 Dec 1903 Baptism Date: 27 Jan 1904 Parish: Toxteth, St James Father's Name: Thomas Lloyd Mother's name: Elizabeth Lloyd Reference Number: 283 JAM/2/7 1 Luke Street Occ: Labourer Edith Ella Lloyd Birth Date: 22 Dec 1905 Baptism Date: 3 Jan 1906 Parish: Toxteth, St James Father's Name: Thomas David Lloyd Mother's name: Elizabeth Lloyd Reference Number: 283 JAM/2/7 7 Landsdowne Street Occ: Labourer Then this for the 1911 census.... Name: Elizabeth Lloyd Age in 1911: 36 Estimated birth year: abt 1875 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Female Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Toxteth Park County/Island: Lancashire Street address: 51 Stanhope Cottages Toxteth Park Up Stanhope St Liverpool Marital Status: Widowed Occupation: School Leaning (School Cleaning at a Council School) Registration district: Toxteth Park Registration District Number: 454 Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park North West ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Piece: 22213 Elizabeth Lloyd 36 Annie Lloyd 9 Mary Alice Lloyd 7 Edith Ella Lloyd 5 Regards, Sally > > Thomas David Lloyd married Elizabeth Jane Harper in Toxteth in 1898. The > 1901 Census records that that had two children: Robert (born 1899) and > Nellie (born 1895). > > The only Nellie born in that year is registered in West Derby and was > the daughter of William Lloyd and Annie Stephenson. William was no > relation of Thomas. So this is either an administrative error; or Nellie > was staying with Thomas and Elizabeth; or it was a case of informal > adoption. By 1911 Nellie was probably working as a domestic servant. > > I have not been able to trace Robert in the 1911 Census. He may have died. > > John
Hi John, Have you tried looking for Nellie with the surname of Harper? Given that she was born 2/3 years before the marriage, there's every chance she's registered under her mother's maiden name. Regards, Sally > > Thomas David Lloyd married Elizabeth Jane Harper in Toxteth in 1898. The > 1901 Census records that that had two children: Robert (born 1899) and > Nellie (born 1895). > > The only Nellie born in that year is registered in West Derby and was > the daughter of William Lloyd and Annie Stephenson. William was no > relation of Thomas. So this is either an administrative error; or Nellie > was staying with Thomas and Elizabeth; or it was a case of informal > adoption. By 1911 Nellie was probably working as a domestic servant. > > I have not been able to trace Robert in the 1911 Census. He may have died.
Nellie may be a contraction of Eleanor. There are two possibilities: June Qtr 1895 West Derby Registration District, Vol.8b p.664 - Eleanor Frances Dec Qtr 1895 West Derby Registration District, Vol. 8b, p.537 - Eleanor Barbara Ruth in Hampshire > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-liverpool-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John M Lloyd > Sent: 21 March 2014 14:51 > To: ENG-LIVERPOOL@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-LIV] Thomas Lloyd's Family > > Thomas David Lloyd married Elizabeth Jane Harper in Toxteth > in 1898. The > 1901 Census records that that had two children: Robert (born > 1899) and Nellie (born 1895). > > The only Nellie born in that year is registered in West Derby > and was the daughter of William Lloyd and Annie Stephenson. > William was no relation of Thomas. So this is either an > administrative error; or Nellie was staying with Thomas and > Elizabeth; or it was a case of informal adoption. By 1911 > Nellie was probably working as a domestic servant. > > I have not been able to trace Robert in the 1911 Census. He > may have died. > > John > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing > list. No fees! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message >
Thomas David Lloyd married Elizabeth Jane Harper in Toxteth in 1898. The 1901 Census records that that had two children: Robert (born 1899) and Nellie (born 1895). The only Nellie born in that year is registered in West Derby and was the daughter of William Lloyd and Annie Stephenson. William was no relation of Thomas. So this is either an administrative error; or Nellie was staying with Thomas and Elizabeth; or it was a case of informal adoption. By 1911 Nellie was probably working as a domestic servant. I have not been able to trace Robert in the 1911 Census. He may have died. John
Hi John, I assume you also looked for names that “Nellie” is a nickname for: Ellen, Helen, Natalie, Penelope, Danielle, … Joan On Mar 21, 2014, at 10:50 AM, John M Lloyd <j_m_c.lloyd@virgin.net> wrote: > Thomas David Lloyd married Elizabeth Jane Harper in Toxteth in 1898. The > 1901 Census records that that had two children: Robert (born 1899) and > Nellie (born 1895). > > The only Nellie born in that year is registered in West Derby and was > the daughter of William Lloyd and Annie Stephenson. William was no > relation of Thomas. So this is either an administrative error; or Nellie > was staying with Thomas and Elizabeth; or it was a case of informal > adoption. By 1911 Nellie was probably working as a domestic servant. > > I have not been able to trace Robert in the 1911 Census. He may have died. > > John > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Admin Message - List guidelines: > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/AdminMessage.htm > > The list admin can be contacted at > Eng-Liverpool-admin@rootsweb.com > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LIVERPOOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message