Hi Nivard I have been trying to find the source of the information. I download and keep emails received re family history but have been unable to find it at all. I know another descendant of that family sent me an email with that information and it checks out on FreeBMD for the birth. I'm sure I looked up the baptism somewhere but I cannot find it now. Yes, I know I should record sources and I was very lax then! The person who gave me the info. said the child was born to my ggrandmother, Charlotte nee SIZER, who married Thomas BRUMPTON in 1872. However, since then, someone suggested Charlotte may not have been the mother but Thomas was the father. It looks as if it will remain a mystery. Regards Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [LIN] Death Record Query > Hi Jan > > If you have the birth and baptism, surely it states the mothers name? > > Perhaps its the way I am reading it > > But otherwise how do you know he was born and baptised the same day and to > which father? > > Looking at the GRO index there is only one Robert BRUMPTON birth > registered 1870 and that in Louth > > Births Sep 1870 > Brumpton Robert Louth 7a 566 > > In the 1871 census there are two Robert BRUMPTONs born 1870 +/- 1 year , > one is the son of Charles & > Frances born Donnington on Bain which is in the Louth Registration > District, the other John & Sarah > (who is probably registered as John Robert) > > Using the birth year of 1870 +/- 5 years there are only two deaths post > 1915 (the pre 1915 do not > appear to match at all) > > England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 about Robert Brumpton > Name: Robert Brumpton > Birth Date: abt 1871 > Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1946 > Age at Death: 75 > Registration district: Buckrose > Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding > Volume: 9d > Page: 61 > > England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 about Robert Brumpton > Name: Robert Brumpton > Birth Date: abt 1874 > Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1947 > Age at Death: 73 > Registration district: Rotherham > Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding > Volume: 2c > Page: 834 > > The first seems more likely > > You could try the birth certificate by ordering with no GRO index > reference and stipulate the father > as Robert, if it matches they will send the cert, if it does not they will > not charge > > The death cert may not give you sufficient information to know its your > man as they do not contain > birth details except age at death, which may or may not be accurate > > Ahh, just found an 1891 census for a Robert BROUMPTON age 19 born > Donington on Bain he is a > *servant* of a Thomas and Ellen BRUMPTON , is that where you are finding > the reference? > > As he is not enumerated as a son, but a servant, so a son of another > family member perhaps ? > > In 1911 there is a Robert BRUMPTON in Driffield ERY married to a Mary Ann > , they were married 10 > years > > The most likely marriage is > > England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915 about Robert Brumpton > Name: Robert Brumpton > Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1901 > Registration district: Hull > Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding > Volume Number: 9d > Page Number: 413 > > England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915 about Mary Ann Barr > Name: Mary Ann Barr > Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1901 > Registration district: Hull > Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding > Volume Number: 9d > Page Number: 413 > > You would need the cert to make sure who he enters as his father > > The above Robert appears as the son of Charles in 1881 (who appears to > have remarried to a Sarah > Elizabeth after 1871) > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > >> Hi Everyone >> >> My ggrandfather, Thomas BRUMPTON, had a son prior to his marriage in >> 1872. I >> have the birth and baptism of Robert BRUMPTON born September 1870 in >> Louth >> District. He was baptised on the day he was born, which perhaps could >> indicate he >> was not expected to live. However, I have no record of his mother's name >> or >> his death. My ggrandmother, who married Thomas in early 1872, was at home >> with her mother and siblings in the 1871 census. There are several >> possible >> marriages and deaths for Robert BRUMPTON on FreeBMD but it's hard to know >> whether any of them apply to this particular Robert and I do not wish to >> pay >> for certificates for them all to find out birth details. Is there any way >> I >> can find out more about him? >> >> Regards >> >> Jan Marchant >> Australia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4754 - Release Date: 01/19/12 >

Hi Jan It sounds as if your source has assumed Robert is the son of Thomas possibly based on finding them together in the 1891 census Without buying the birth certificate the best bet would be to try and find his baptism I suspect if you find it the father will be Charles There are two patron entries on the IGI giving Charles as the father as well although there is room for error there as we know Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Nivard > > I have been trying to find the source of the information. I download and > keep emails received re family history but have been unable to find it at > all. I know another descendant of that family sent me an email with that > information and it checks out on FreeBMD for the birth. I'm sure I looked up > the baptism somewhere but I cannot find it now. Yes, I know I should record > sources and I was very lax then! The person who gave me the info. said the > child was born to my ggrandmother, Charlotte nee SIZER, who married Thomas > BRUMPTON in 1872. However, since then, someone suggested Charlotte may not > have been the mother but Thomas was the father. It looks as if it will > remain a mystery. > > Regards > > Jan