Then surely it's simple. Acquaintance wants to know family history, acquaintance gets told, sorry, can only go this far without birth certificate. It's then their call whether they flash the cash or give up the search. Pam Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ On 13/03/2012 23:08, Phil at Angelic Aromas wrote: > > > > Sorry Pam, > > I was thinking of the GRO index and not the Birth Certificate. > > I have spent a lot of money on certificates over the years but as this is a line I am not following didn't want to go to that expense. I was doing it more as a favour for an acquaintance. > > I have research my own line back to the 16th century and helped many others with their research, so I do know a bit about it. > > I had already discounted Rebecca Kime before posting on here. > > Best wishes > > Phil > > > > >> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:49:05 +0000 >> From: pam@five-oaks.co.uk >> To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [LIN] William& Rebecca BORRILL >> >> Phil, >> Quote: "Getting Mary Janes birth certificate will not show her mothers maiden name." >> Er, I think it will. What it might not do is give a father's name. >> >> You're stuck on this family. Several peope have definitely had a look at your query - you know because they've replied. Others may have looked, and haven't replied simply because they've found out nothing they can add to what's already been said. >> If you've been doing FH for 25 years then you shoud know that sending for certificates is sometimes the only way to find out information - short of going through every single baptism/marriage/burial record for every church, chapel, cemetery or crematorium that ever existed. >> >> Perhaps you're just unfortunate that other ancestors of yours have been so successful at hiding themselves that the only information anyone can find is from the GRO Index, hence the 'send for the certificate'. It's not a phrase we use light-heartedly, as we all know the cost of them. I think you will it's a phrase used in sheer frustration, as in this case, at not being able to find further information to help you. >> >> And I apologise for not emphasing that I think the Rebecca Kime Joan found marrying in 1851 actually married Edward Smith Kirkby (who was on the same page) not William Borrill. (Though I gave the reason why.) >> >> Pam >> Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society >> http://www.lincolnshirefhs.og.uk >> >> >> >> On 13/03/2012 22:04, Phil at Angelic Aromas wrote: >>> I have been researching my family tree for over 25 years so I know, Joan, that there are no short cuts. Getting Mary Janes birth certificate will not show her mothers maiden name. I am very doubtful that her parents married but was hoping that someone on the list would have some information as I know there are people on here researching BORRILLS. >>> >>> I can't afford to get certificates for every person I research and, in this case, it would not help. >>> >>> I am frustrated that on the rare occasions I ask for help I get the response "send for the certificate", whereas other people get an immense amount of help. >>> >>> Sorry if you don't like this >>> >>> Phil >>> >>>> From: jvandaal@sympatico.ca >>>> To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com >>>> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 07:50:22 -0400 >>>> Subject: Re: [LIN] William& Rebecca BORRILL >>>> >>>> Yes, but she is the only Rebecca on the page. As I said before though, the >>>> certificate is the only definitive answer. Joan. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Pam Downes"<pam@five-oaks.co.uk> >>>> To:<eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 10:50 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [LIN] William& Rebecca BORRILL >>>> >>>> >>>>> Without wishing to throw cold water on Joan's find, there is no proof >>>>> that William and Rebecca married. That FreeBMD entry proves only that >>>>> they were on the same page of the register. >>>>> I've been trying to 'match' the other people on the page. Though with >>>>> very little success, unless you count the following: >>>>> >>>>> I have found in 1851 a Rebecca Kime, aged 21, born what I presume is >>>>> Scamblesby (terrible writing!) , living in Horncastle, HO107/2107 f 297 >>>>> p 34 >>>>> Also living in Horncastle in Foundry Street, is an Edward S Kirkby, aged >>>>> 20, living with his parents John and Hannah. HO107/2107 f 363 p 8 >>>>> >>>>> In 1861 living in Foundry Street, Horncastle, there is a Rebecca Kirkby, >>>>> aged 29, widow, born Scramby (sic), with three children, John, Hannah, >>>>> and Edward. RG 9/2366 f 82 p//53 >>>>> There is a burial in Horncastle St Mary 19 March 1859 for an Edward >>>>> Kirkby, no age given. >>>>> >>>>> Not having a lot of luck finding any of them in 1871, apart from Edward >>>>> (junior) who is in Horncastle workhouse. >>>>> >>>>> Pam >>>>> Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society >>>>> http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 13/03/2012 00:36, Joan Van Daalen wrote: >>>>>> I really shouldn't do your homework for you, but here is a marriage in >>>>>> the >>>>>> June quarter of 1851 between William Borrill and Rebecca Kime, reference >>>>>> Horncastle vol 14 page 770. From FreeBMD again. >>>>>> >>>>>> Joan >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Phil at Angelic Aromas"<phil.gresham@hotmail.co.uk> >>>>>> To: "Lincs Genealogy"<eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 6:01 PM >>>>>> Subject: [LIN] William& Rebecca BORRILL >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> George Henry GRESHAM married Mary Jane BORRILL in the second quarter of >>>>>>> 1894. Mary Janes parents were William& Rebecca BORRILL, can anyone >>>>>>> help >>>>>>> me find her parents marriage and Rebecca's surname. Their ages would be >>>>>>> useful also >>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>> Phil >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> ------------------------------- >> >> -------------------------------