I have an ancestor whose occupation on the census says "annuitant" or "independent means". She was widowed and living with a son at the time. Does anyone know where I would find information about this annuity? Is there a way to check the post office as mentioned? I have been unable to locate a death date, burial, ect for her husband. Thanks for any help. Connie Barron -----Original Message----- From: Anne Cole <duncalf@one-name.org> To: 'Louis Mills' <louis_mills@att.net>; eng-lincsgen <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:03 pm Subject: Re: [LIN] 19th century retirement They would, if they didn't have any savings, which some actually did (in the Post Office usually), or an annuity from a will or something, either go into the workhouse or receive relief where they lived from the Union of their settlement. After 1865 if they had resided in one place for more than a year without claiming poor relief, they would receive relief from the common fund of the Union in which they resided, regardless of their settlement, but if they became permanently disabled, they would either be sent back to the Union in which their place of settlement was, or be sent relief by that Union. Of course, any relatives who were able were made to make a contribution towards their relief. >From the Bourne Union Workhouse Minutes 20 October 1898. Mr Carlton reported that he had seen Mrs A. Pick as to her repaying the Guardians the expense of her Father’s maintenance in the Workhouse, and that she stated her income was only 18s/10d per week, out of which she had to support her two daughters, and that after maintaining her Father and Mother for 15 years she felt she could not do anything more. It was proposed by Mr Carlton and seconded by Mr Wm Bacon that no further application be made to Mrs Pick for the expenses referred to. Carried. [Page 89] Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Louis Mills Sent: 02 April 2012 22:17 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] 19th century retirement I had a conversation today with a very nice lady who had been "retired" early from her job in a local city. Luckily she has a pension in addition to a small monthly government payment, but she misses both the income she had and the work she did. It got me to wondering about our Lincolnshire ancestors back in the late 1800s. What was senior life like for some of them? What were the "cushions" provided since there were few pensions. I have seen a few Chelsea Pensioners on the census rolls, and a handful of "Annuitants" over the years, but I'm thinking that few of the "salt of the earth" types had any money to lay away for retirement. I suspect that most of my ancestors, if they lived long enough, had to work until they died. If disabled, they were at the mercy of Poor Relief, I suppose. Who is our expert in this area of family history. I know my mum came from working class roots. You could tell that from her attitude and her disdain for people who didn't work at something that made them sweat and build muscles (She didn't consider my job as a teacher a "real job", she once told me.) But my mum also envied a portion of her extended family who "owned rail cars" (as she put it). I assume it was possible to buy a rail car or shares in rail cars and lease them out to railways, but it didn't make sense to me just to own them, unless you made them and sold them. I'm weird that way. So what can you tell us? Lou (list admin.) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

She was probably a beneficiary of a will at some time, or she had shares from which she took an annual annuity. Some people had shares in the railways and made a lot of money out of them. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of cmbarron@aol.com Sent: 03 April 2012 13:55 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] 19th century retirement I have an ancestor whose occupation on the census says "annuitant" or "independent means". She was widowed and living with a son at the time. Does anyone know where I would find information about this annuity? Is there a way to check the post office as mentioned? I have been unable to locate a death date, burial, ect for her husband. Thanks for any help. Connie Barron -----Original Message----- From: Anne Cole <duncalf@one-name.org> To: 'Louis Mills' <louis_mills@att.net>; eng-lincsgen <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:03 pm Subject: Re: [LIN] 19th century retirement They would, if they didn't have any savings, which some actually did (in the Post Office usually), or an annuity from a will or something, either go into the workhouse or receive relief where they lived from the Union of their settlement. After 1865 if they had resided in one place for more than a year without claiming poor relief, they would receive relief from the common fund of the Union in which they resided, regardless of their settlement, but if they became permanently disabled, they would either be sent back to the Union in which their place of settlement was, or be sent relief by that Union. Of course, any relatives who were able were made to make a contribution towards their relief. >From the Bourne Union Workhouse Minutes 20 October 1898. Mr Carlton reported that he had seen Mrs A. Pick as to her repaying the Guardians the expense of her Father’s maintenance in the Workhouse, and that she stated her income was only 18s/10d per week, out of which she had to support her two daughters, and that after maintaining her Father and Mother for 15 years she felt she could not do anything more. It was proposed by Mr Carlton and seconded by Mr Wm Bacon that no further application be made to Mrs Pick for the expenses referred to. Carried. [Page 89] Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Louis Mills Sent: 02 April 2012 22:17 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] 19th century retirement I had a conversation today with a very nice lady who had been "retired" early from her job in a local city. Luckily she has a pension in addition to a small monthly government payment, but she misses both the income she had and the work she did. It got me to wondering about our Lincolnshire ancestors back in the late 1800s. What was senior life like for some of them? What were the "cushions" provided since there were few pensions. I have seen a few Chelsea Pensioners on the census rolls, and a handful of "Annuitants" over the years, but I'm thinking that few of the "salt of the earth" types had any money to lay away for retirement. I suspect that most of my ancestors, if they lived long enough, had to work until they died. If disabled, they were at the mercy of Poor Relief, I suppose. Who is our expert in this area of family history. I know my mum came from working class roots. You could tell that from her attitude and her disdain for people who didn't work at something that made them sweat and build muscles (She didn't consider my job as a teacher a "real job", she once told me.) But my mum also envied a portion of her extended family who "owned rail cars" (as she put it). I assume it was possible to buy a rail car or shares in rail cars and lease them out to railways, but it didn't make sense to me just to own them, unless you made them and sold them. I'm weird that way. So what can you tell us? Lou (list admin.) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Connie Do you have a time frame and some names ? It is possible the husband left a will leaving some sort of provision for his widow I have also come across some people enumerated as Annuitant who clearly had no means of support except the Parish, so I would not always believe all that you find in writing, sometimes I feel the enumerator re the census or clerks in other records, used terms that they felt suited the situation rather than what was the actual case Apart from families own records I have not come across any substantial database for PO savings or the like If you have names and dates perhaps we can find something for you on the death / will ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >I have an ancestor whose occupation on the census says "annuitant" or "independent means". She was >widowed and living with a son at the time. Does anyone know where I would find information about >this annuity? Is there a way to check the post office as mentioned? > > > I have been unable to locate a death date, burial, ect for her husband. > > > Thanks for any help. > Connie Barron

One of my ancestors also showed she was an annuitant and was living in some Almshouses her husband had worked on a large estate and the Almshouses were funded by the estate and they paid her a small pension. Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: <cmbarron@aol.com> To: <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [LIN] 19th century retirement >I have an ancestor whose occupation on the census says "annuitant" or >"independent means". She was widowed and living with a son at the time. >Does anyone know where I would find information about this annuity? Is >there a way to check the post office as mentioned? > > > I have been unable to locate a death date, burial, ect for her husband. > > > Thanks for any help. > Connie Barron > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anne Cole <duncalf@one-name.org> > To: 'Louis Mills' <louis_mills@att.net>; eng-lincsgen > <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:03 pm > Subject: Re: [LIN] 19th century retirement > > > They would, if they didn't have any savings, which some actually did (in > the > Post Office usually), or an annuity from a will or something, either go > into > the workhouse or receive relief where they lived from the Union of their > settlement. After 1865 if they had resided in one place for more than a > year > without claiming poor relief, they would receive relief from the common > fund > of the Union in which they resided, regardless of their settlement, but if > they became permanently disabled, they would either be sent back to the > Union in which their place of settlement was, or be sent relief by that > Union. Of course, any relatives who were able were made to make a > contribution towards their relief. > >>From the Bourne Union Workhouse Minutes > 20 October 1898. Mr Carlton reported that he had seen Mrs A. Pick as to > her repaying the Guardians the expense of her Father’s maintenance in the > Workhouse, and that she stated her income was only 18s/10d per week, out > of > which she had to support her two daughters, and that after maintaining her > Father and Mother for 15 years she felt she could not do anything more. It > was proposed by Mr Carlton and seconded by Mr Wm Bacon that no further > application be made to Mrs Pick for the expenses referred to. Carried. > [Page 89] > > Anne > > Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society > > Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 > > http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html > > Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index > > http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ > > Lincolnshire Family History Society > > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Louis Mills > Sent: 02 April 2012 22:17 > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LIN] 19th century retirement > > I had a conversation today with a very nice lady who had been "retired" > early from her job in a local city. Luckily she has a pension in addition > to a small monthly government payment, but she misses both the income she > had and the work she did. > > It got me to wondering about our Lincolnshire ancestors back in the late > 1800s. What was senior life like for some of them? What were the > "cushions" provided since there were few pensions. I have seen a few > Chelsea Pensioners on the census rolls, and a handful of "Annuitants" over > the years, but I'm thinking that few of the "salt of the earth" types had > any money to lay away for retirement. > > I suspect that most of my ancestors, if they lived long enough, had to > work > until they died. If disabled, they were at the mercy of Poor Relief, I > suppose. Who is our expert in this area of family history. > > I know my mum came from working class roots. You could tell that from her > attitude and her disdain for people who didn't work at something that made > them sweat and build muscles (She didn't consider my job as a teacher a > "real job", she once told me.) But my mum also envied a portion of her > extended family who "owned rail cars" (as she put it). I assume it was > possible to buy a rail car or shares in rail cars and lease them out to > railways, but it didn't make sense to me just to own them, unless you made > them and sold them. I'm weird that way. > > So what can you tell us? > > Lou (list admin.) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message