Hello Anne, Have there ever been any of these Bastardy cases involving a COCKING? Thanks in advance, Jim Ward Canada -----Original Message----- From: Anne Cole Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 5:35 AM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Bastardy Cases in the Newspaper Only two this week, I'm afraid. It will be a fortnight before I go to the library again. LRSM = Lincoln, Rutland and Stamford Mercury Full details from the newspaper appear below; I have no further information. LRSM 16 May 1856 Boston Petty Sessions 14 May An application was made by Ann EATON, of Sutterton, singlewoman, for an order upon Benj. JEFFERY, of Algarkirk, for maintenance of her illegitimate child. Mr. YORK appeared for the applicant, and Mr. SNAITH for the defence. After hearing, the order was refused for want of sufficient corroborative testimony. LRSM 23 May 1856 Lincoln City Petty Sessions 22 May Henry JOHNSON, aged 18, apprentice to Mr. C. CURTIS, butcher, Guildhall-street, was adjudged to be the father of the child of Mary MACKINDER, and ordered to pay 1s. 6d. per week towards its maintenance: in default to be committed to prison. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk
Gee, if you sent ME this kind of request, I'd politely say, "I don't do global searches for a surname." This is the kind of request that many volunteers hate, because there are no date ranges, no first names, etc. It seems like you are "trolling", just looking to see if you can find something without having to do any of the work. Since SOME of the poorlaw records are online records are online, you can search using a search engine. A few million COCKING records should keep you busy for a while. You can also order the CDs created by the Lincs Family History Society and search them yourself. Alas, that will take money and your time. But please don't ask any volunteer on this list to do a global search for you. Respect their time already spent. Lou (list admin.) ________________________________ From: Jim Ward <HAL2001@shaw.ca> To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, April 2, 2012 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [LIN] Bastardy Cases in the Newspaper Hello Anne, Have there ever been any of these Bastardy cases involving a COCKING? Thanks in advance, Jim Ward Canada -----Original Message----- From: Anne Cole Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 5:35 AM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Bastardy Cases in the Newspaper Only two this week, I'm afraid. It will be a fortnight before I go to the library again. LRSM = Lincoln, Rutland and Stamford Mercury Full details from the newspaper appear below; I have no further information. LRSM 16 May 1856 Boston Petty Sessions 14 May An application was made by Ann EATON, of Sutterton, singlewoman, for an order upon Benj. JEFFERY, of Algarkirk, for maintenance of her illegitimate child. Mr. YORK appeared for the applicant, and Mr. SNAITH for the defence. After hearing, the order was refused for want of sufficient corroborative testimony. LRSM 23 May 1856 Lincoln City Petty Sessions 22 May Henry JOHNSON, aged 18, apprentice to Mr. C. CURTIS, butcher, Guildhall-street, was adjudged to be the father of the child of Mary MACKINDER, and ordered to pay 1s. 6d. per week towards its maintenance: in default to be committed to prison. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
It is very tempting to try and take a short cut though isn't it? I know I hold my breath every time one of Anne's BC e-mails comes through, skimming down the names hoping that the ones I'm waiting for will be there. No luck so far, but I don't think you've reached the years I'm interested in yet Anne. Could someone please tell me, being a fairly inexperienced researcher, where do you go to look for these details yourself? Is it at the local library or do the Archives hold all this sort of information? Many thanks in advance. Carole. ________________________________ From: Louis Mills <louis_mills@att.net> To: "eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com" <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, 2 April 2012, 17:16 Subject: Re: [LIN] Bastardy Cases in the Newspaper Gee, if you sent ME this kind of request, I'd politely say, "I don't do global searches for a surname." This is the kind of request that many volunteers hate, because there are no date ranges, no first names, etc. It seems like you are "trolling", just looking to see if you can find something without having to do any of the work. Since SOME of the poorlaw records are online records are online, you can search using a search engine. A few million COCKING records should keep you busy for a while. You can also order the CDs created by the Lincs Family History Society and search them yourself. Alas, that will take money and your time. But please don't ask any volunteer on this list to do a global search for you. Respect their time already spent. Lou (list admin.)
The United States has its national archives "dispersed" and one of the centres in just south of San Francisco, not too far from where I live in California. They have some original documents and a huge archive of things on microfilm and fiche. If you go, take photo ID, a pencil and a pad of paper. They make you feel like a criminal if you take a pen. And, please, don't try to smuggle a camera in. Your family will miss you for several weeks. Sharp objects will be confiscated. For some archive offices, there are lockers where you can leave your purse, camera, copy machine, switchblade, smartphone, etc. I'd suggest you lock these in the trunk of your car. No food is allowed in the research area. When you are in the research area, if you tear a sheet of paper off of your foolscap pad, all eyes in the room will swivel in your direction. You feel like you are visiting your cousin in prison. But the staff will help you as best they can. They can't do the lookups for you, normally, but I've had them get an old survey book of maps out of the locked storage vault and bring them to me and help me look for something. Generally, I spend most of my time there on a microfilm reader. Now the California State Archive office, one is also in San Francisco, has old telephone books back to before 1910, city and state directories back to Sir Francis Drake's visit and voters' registers back to the mid-1800s. Most things on paper, like the directories, require extreme care just to turn the pages. And if you are clumsy, just leave the book on the research table. They'll put it away. I can also state that, at least at the California archives, some of the staff are trained in CPR. Many of the visitors are as old as the books they are looking through, and one of them fainted while I was there. They took good care of him. I had to remind his wife to get her purse out of the locker if she was going to go in the ambulance with him. It's wise to check the website of the archive(s) you plan to visit, so that you know what they have in advance, and make notes on what you want to find. I think it useful, too, to have a page on which to note "things I want to look into later" while trolling through one of your sources. The websites also have opening times, closure dates, rules and parking limitations and a map! Lou (list admin.)
Lou...I visited our downtown Vancouver Library last week, first time in donkey's years, a beautiful building, 6th floor genealogy section and 7th floor "special collections". I asked for a 3 (large) volume set called "The Hundred of Launditch of Brisley, in the county of Norfolk by G.A. Carthew. I was expecting to be handed white gloves but instead all 3 volumes were brought and placed gently on the table beside me as if I had ordered a meal at a fine restaurant. A pillow was placed in front of me on the table and volume one opened and placed gently on the pillow, the spine cushioned. Because of the volumes' age (I believe he said over 100 years) I was told I could not use the photocopier but I could take photos with my camera. Four hours later, with writer's cramp, half blind, but happy...I staggered out and caught the sky train home. Linda B.C. Canada The United States has its national archives "dispersed" and one of the centres in just south of San Francisco, not too far from where I live in California. They have some original documents and a huge archive of things on microfilm and fiche. If you go, take photo ID, a pencil and a pad of paper. They make you feel like a criminal if you take a pen. And, please, don't try to smuggle a camera in. Your family will miss you for several weeks. Sharp objects will be confiscated. For some archive offices, there are lockers where you can leave your purse, camera, copy machine, switchblade, smartphone, etc. I'd suggest you lock these in the trunk of your car. No food is allowed in the research area. When you are in the research area, if you tear a sheet of paper off of your foolscap pad, all eyes in the room will swivel in your direction. You feel like you are visiting your cousin in prison. But the staff will help you as best they can. They can't do the lookups for you, normally, but I've had them get an old survey book of maps out of the locked storage vault and bring them to me and help me look for something. Generally, I spend most of my time there on a microfilm reader. Now the California State Archive office, one is also in San Francisco, has old telephone books back to before 1910, city and state directories back to Sir Francis Drake's visit and voters' registers back to the mid-1800s. Most things on paper, like the directories, require extreme care just to turn the pages. And if you are clumsy, just leave the book on the research table. They'll put it away. I can also state that, at least at the California archives, some of the staff are trained in CPR. Many of the visitors are as old as the books they are looking through, and one of them fainted while I was there. They took good care of him. I had to remind his wife to get her purse out of the locker if she was going to go in the ambulance with him. It's wise to check the website of the archive(s) you plan to visit, so that you know what they have in advance, and make notes on what you want to find. I think it useful, too, to have a page on which to note "things I want to look into later" while trolling through one of your sources. The websites also have opening times, closure dates, rules and parking limitations and a map! Lou (list admin.)
Hello Carole, I read through the papers at Lincoln Library - the hard copies, which are about 3 feet by two feet, 3 years papers in one bound volume. They are also on film so should be available at Mormon Libraries as well as other libraries in Lincolnshire, the Archives and of course Collindale. They are much harder to read on film, and as I am also transcribing inquests for the next Inquests CD I couldn't do it without the hard copy. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carole Yeomans Sent: 02 April 2012 20:27 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Bastardy Cases in the Newspaper It is very tempting to try and take a short cut though isn't it? I know I hold my breath every time one of Anne's BC e-mails comes through, skimming down the names hoping that the ones I'm waiting for will be there. No luck so far, but I don't think you've reached the years I'm interested in yet Anne. Could someone please tell me, being a fairly inexperienced researcher, where do you go to look for these details yourself? Is it at the local library or do the Archives hold all this sort of information? Many thanks in advance. Carole. ________________________________ From: Louis Mills <louis_mills@att.net> To: "eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com" <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, 2 April 2012, 17:16 Subject: Re: [LIN] Bastardy Cases in the Newspaper Gee, if you sent ME this kind of request, I'd politely say, "I don't do global searches for a surname." This is the kind of request that many volunteers hate, because there are no date ranges, no first names, etc. It seems like you are "trolling", just looking to see if you can find something without having to do any of the work. Since SOME of the poorlaw records are online records are online, you can search using a search engine. A few million COCKING records should keep you busy for a while. You can also order the CDs created by the Lincs Family History Society and search them yourself. Alas, that will take money and your time. But please don't ask any volunteer on this list to do a global search for you. Respect their time already spent. Lou (list admin.) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I had a conversation today with a very nice lady who had been "retired" early from her job in a local city. Luckily she has a pension in addition to a small monthly government payment, but she misses both the income she had and the work she did. It got me to wondering about our Lincolnshire ancestors back in the late 1800s. What was senior life like for some of them? What were the "cushions" provided since there were few pensions. I have seen a few Chelsea Pensioners on the census rolls, and a handful of "Annuitants" over the years, but I'm thinking that few of the "salt of the earth" types had any money to lay away for retirement. I suspect that most of my ancestors, if they lived long enough, had to work until they died. If disabled, they were at the mercy of Poor Relief, I suppose. Who is our expert in this area of family history. I know my mum came from working class roots. You could tell that from her attitude and her disdain for people who didn't work at something that made them sweat and build muscles (She didn't consider my job as a teacher a "real job", she once told me.) But my mum also envied a portion of her extended family who "owned rail cars" (as she put it). I assume it was possible to buy a rail car or shares in rail cars and lease them out to railways, but it didn't make sense to me just to own them, unless you made them and sold them. I'm weird that way. So what can you tell us? Lou (list admin.)
A few thoughts, Lou. First, people didn't live as long in those days, so perhaps retirement never came. I think many old people moved in with relatives, sons and daughters for instance, which was the case with my family. Looking at census records, you'll often see mother or father-in-law living with the younger set, and many older people just kept on working, depending on what they did for a living. Now that you've raised this topic, I think I'll scour my census records and see if I can find any older rellies still working. I'll report back on my findings. Regards, Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis Mills" <louis_mills@att.net> To: <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 5:16 PM Subject: [LIN] 19th century retirement I had a conversation today with a very nice lady who had been "retired" early from her job in a local city. Luckily she has a pension in addition to a small monthly government payment, but she misses both the income she had and the work she did. It got me to wondering about our Lincolnshire ancestors back in the late 1800s. What was senior life like for some of them? What were the "cushions" provided since there were few pensions. I have seen a few Chelsea Pensioners on the census rolls, and a handful of "Annuitants" over the years, but I'm thinking that few of the "salt of the earth" types had any money to lay away for retirement. I suspect that most of my ancestors, if they lived long enough, had to work until they died. If disabled, they were at the mercy of Poor Relief, I suppose. Who is our expert in this area of family history. I know my mum came from working class roots. You could tell that from her attitude and her disdain for people who didn't work at something that made them sweat and build muscles (She didn't consider my job as a teacher a "real job", she once told me.) But my mum also envied a portion of her extended family who "owned rail cars" (as she put it). I assume it was possible to buy a rail car or shares in rail cars and lease them out to railways, but it didn't make sense to me just to own them, unless you made them and sold them. I'm weird that way. So what can you tell us? Lou (list admin.) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
They would, if they didn't have any savings, which some actually did (in the Post Office usually), or an annuity from a will or something, either go into the workhouse or receive relief where they lived from the Union of their settlement. After 1865 if they had resided in one place for more than a year without claiming poor relief, they would receive relief from the common fund of the Union in which they resided, regardless of their settlement, but if they became permanently disabled, they would either be sent back to the Union in which their place of settlement was, or be sent relief by that Union. Of course, any relatives who were able were made to make a contribution towards their relief. >From the Bourne Union Workhouse Minutes 20 October 1898. Mr Carlton reported that he had seen Mrs A. Pick as to her repaying the Guardians the expense of her Fathers maintenance in the Workhouse, and that she stated her income was only 18s/10d per week, out of which she had to support her two daughters, and that after maintaining her Father and Mother for 15 years she felt she could not do anything more. It was proposed by Mr Carlton and seconded by Mr Wm Bacon that no further application be made to Mrs Pick for the expenses referred to. Carried. [Page 89] Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Louis Mills Sent: 02 April 2012 22:17 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] 19th century retirement I had a conversation today with a very nice lady who had been "retired" early from her job in a local city. Luckily she has a pension in addition to a small monthly government payment, but she misses both the income she had and the work she did. It got me to wondering about our Lincolnshire ancestors back in the late 1800s. What was senior life like for some of them? What were the "cushions" provided since there were few pensions. I have seen a few Chelsea Pensioners on the census rolls, and a handful of "Annuitants" over the years, but I'm thinking that few of the "salt of the earth" types had any money to lay away for retirement. I suspect that most of my ancestors, if they lived long enough, had to work until they died. If disabled, they were at the mercy of Poor Relief, I suppose. Who is our expert in this area of family history. I know my mum came from working class roots. You could tell that from her attitude and her disdain for people who didn't work at something that made them sweat and build muscles (She didn't consider my job as a teacher a "real job", she once told me.) But my mum also envied a portion of her extended family who "owned rail cars" (as she put it). I assume it was possible to buy a rail car or shares in rail cars and lease them out to railways, but it didn't make sense to me just to own them, unless you made them and sold them. I'm weird that way. So what can you tell us? Lou (list admin.) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hello Jim, You can search here http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/bastardycases.html All the ones I have found so far are there, by year. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ward Sent: 02 April 2012 17:05 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Bastardy Cases in the Newspaper Hello Anne, Have there ever been any of these Bastardy cases involving a COCKING? Thanks in advance, Jim Ward Canada -----Original Message----- From: Anne Cole Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 5:35 AM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Bastardy Cases in the Newspaper Only two this week, I'm afraid. It will be a fortnight before I go to the library again. LRSM = Lincoln, Rutland and Stamford Mercury Full details from the newspaper appear below; I have no further information. LRSM 16 May 1856 Boston Petty Sessions 14 May An application was made by Ann EATON, of Sutterton, singlewoman, for an order upon Benj. JEFFERY, of Algarkirk, for maintenance of her illegitimate child. Mr. YORK appeared for the applicant, and Mr. SNAITH for the defence. After hearing, the order was refused for want of sufficient corroborative testimony. LRSM 23 May 1856 Lincoln City Petty Sessions 22 May Henry JOHNSON, aged 18, apprentice to Mr. C. CURTIS, butcher, Guildhall-street, was adjudged to be the father of the child of Mary MACKINDER, and ordered to pay 1s. 6d. per week towards its maintenance: in default to be committed to prison. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I'd say pretty well 100% of them. Oh sorry! - just spotted that G on the end. Terry -----Original Message----- From: Jim Ward [mailto:HAL2001@shaw.ca] Sent: 02 April 2012 17:05 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Bastardy Cases in the Newspaper Hello Anne, Have there ever been any of these Bastardy cases involving a COCKING? Thanks in advance, Jim Ward Canada