Thanks to you all, your interest is gratefully received and it was just a query because 4 children secomed to what ever it was in the one year. I am aware of the different plagues around at that time, also sometimes it is down to plain lack of finance to buy all of these Certs. Many thanks for you reply's. Bazza On 29 May 2014 15:58, Hank & Joan Van Daalen <[email protected]> wrote: > What does it say on their death certificates? > > Another good reason to send for one. > > Joan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Barry Wilson > Sent: May 29, 2014 9:47 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [LIN] Admin. Note: Early 1800s > > Hi Lou, your exclamations of the situation in Northern England and > Lincolnshire in particular are quite something, but I cannot even find out > what inflection attacked Langtoft, to cause the death of 4 of my relatives > who were born there in the year 1852, from February to November. Bazza > > > On 28 May 2014 22:39, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi, Missing Lincs, > > > > Yes, this is my new e-mail address. It is, so far, DMARC-proof, > > so my LINCSGEN mail gets delivered to me here. > > > > I saw on another list that someone wondered why so many people > > moved about the country in the early 1800s. Well, they didn't have > > smart phones, apparently, so I guess they couldn't get all the answers by > staying home! > > Sorry, those of us who have followed a smart-phone user in the > > grocery store know about the urge to smash a smart-phone between two cans > of beans. > > :-) > > > > No, the early 1800s were an interesting time. Blockades were used > > to cut off supplies to Napoleon, and the blockades cut the supply of > > some markets to our ancestors in Lincolnshire, too. When they were > > lifted about 1815, suddenly we had an influx of cheap goods, and > > unemployed soldiers and sailors. The "Irish Potato Famine" in 1840, > > also affected potato growers in northern England and we had another > > influx of Irish labourers. The first steam engine for commercial use > > was developed by James WATT in 1781 and began to be widely used for > farming, industry, draining the fens, etc. > > One of my ancestors apparently was fascinated by the steam engine and > > learned to drive a steam tractor. From there he got a job driving a > > steam engine on the railroads, another new presence in the early 1800s. > > > > So we had a lot going on in northern England and it was a time for > > some people to take advantage of the new jobs, others lost their jobs > > doue to industrialization. The Luddites burned a lot of frame-work > > knitting machines, even the ones run by hand or horsepower. There was > > some social unrest because of ideas that had been around since the > > French and American Revolutions and the government was committed to > > the idea of "one man, one vote", which was new and dangerous in the > > eyes of some. Civil Registration came along, an obvious plot by the > > government to many folk and a lot of parish boundaries were "adjusted" > > to include areas that were outside their boundaries. > > > > The first steamship was built in 1837 (the SS Sirius), which began > > reliable service over the oceans. > > > > They must have been heady times. You could move somewhere else > > where pay was better. You could take your trade somewhere where it was > needed. > > You could go to one of the new countreis were land was free (or at > > least cheap), and own your own farm. Wow! It's actually a wonder > > more of them didn't go. > > > > Lou (list admin.) > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi folks Over the years I have wanted to learn John Newton's cause of death so would appreciate any help you could give to select the best choice of death certificate: According to John Thomas Newton's (Thomas' son who drowned in the lock) 1854 death certificate, his father was noted as John Newton, deceased. Eliza Plowright's 1st husband John Newton, I presume died/was killed between the taking of the 1851 census March 30, 1851 and his child's death March 29, 1854, and most probably before Eliza his wife became pregnant with her first child abt. Oct. 1852, with James Plowright....which is a fairly short window Apr. 1851 - Oct. 1852 Here is the family in 1951: Census was based on 30 March 1851 1851 Census Little Worth Deeping Fen, Deeping St. Nicholas John Newton, Head, Marr., age 31, ground Keeper, born Elton, Lincs. Eliza, Wife, Marr., age 21, groundkeeper wife, born Spalding John Thomas, son, age 11 mo., born Elton I have found this entry. Is there any way to find the missing Registration District? Free BMD Deaths Jun 1851 Newton John * 22 313 I would appreciate any thoughts/ideas/advice on choosing the right entry if the above is not the best choice... Thanks so much Linda B.C. Canada