hi Bart, I have found an even better Thomas and Elizabeth as parents for Ann Mason. I was wondering about the Williams related to the contact although I beleive it is the earlier William born to Daniel and Ann. Benjamin and Thomas, each geneartion. On free reg, I found a William Mason chr to Thomas and Elizabeth Mason on the 18 November 1807 at Messingham, now this same Thomas and Elizabeth would be a much better set of parents for Ann Mason as well, but the marriage is not showing in Messingham for this Thomas and Elizabeth even though they are christening children there. There is no surname for Elizabeth at the chr at William 1807 and I think it is the same for Ann, so it is going to be harder to find the marriage, so will have to depend on these contacts to see if they can help out her. I was thinking that Great Hale seemed so far away from Messingham until I found this chr for William 18th November 1807 at Messingham. Would need to be a couple of births in between him and Ann, I would think. I am going to go back to see if this 1807 William shows up. I think he did on familysearch. Edie You say there are gaps not on t Familysearch, the IGI fiche yes that has always been the case Bart. That is why it is best to get the film out. Depends on whether Stephen is close to the Family History Library. Someone may take a look for him. ------------------------------------------ From: Bart Simon via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: ENG-LINCSGEN@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, born c1813, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Hello: The question 'Where is 'Newbould' was an excellent question!. As you would have noticed in Messingham, the gaps in records there, there is a substantial movement of many individual people going here and there etc. I will say, it is still quite possible that Ann Mason was even b. and bp. in 'Newbold'. Stephen would need the time to get to those churches and records and see if there is something there waiting for him. On the other hand, if Ann Mason were bp 1811 or 1813 in Messingham, you would not find the bp cert in 'Newbold' ?. I have truly learnt a huge amount by looking at this tree. There are some other things I need time to put out. Cheers - Bart [!!!] .... -----Original Message----- I am bailing out and leaving this line of enquiry to Stephen, as I have a gut feeling it is correct. I told her it is driving us mad trying to figure it out!. ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message