Hi One more thing Stephen, Bart or anyone related to the above. If it were me, I would go straight for the jugular and get the film out as very often there are details on the film you will not find anywhere else. It often gives the birth date and place in the left hand column and quite often folk follow a line they see in an index without looking to see if that person could have died as an infant. The film shows all of that. I know of such a person who I have told is followiing a peson who I found had died three months after his baptism, that person has folowed that deceased babies line back to 800 ad. So you see the film is very important after all you cannot get more of an original record. Yes there is sometimes a clerical error but for the most part they are the best. Ihave noted the Bishops transcripts film from Latter Day Saints for Messingham as follows Bapt, Marr, Burials 1599-1812 Film number 504575 item 1 Bapt, Marr, Burials 1813-1839 Film number 508017 item 3 The cost of ordering in the film to be readat your nearest Family History Centre for Latter Day saints is https://familysearch.org/films/lookup/products/view/film/504575/ Society of Genealogist in London have Messingham between 1599-1885 Edie