Hello: The question 'Where is 'Newbould' was an excellent question!. I have never been to England and unrelated to Mason/Proctor so far. [What was the place of birth for Ann Mason b.c.1813, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham]: The place of birth for Ann Mason is 'Newbold' in England, and for William Proctor is unknown but in England. ""IF"" Ann Mason was bp in Messingham, the 2 current options are bp:1813 or bp:1811. I agree on that much, so far. We also need to include the 3rd option being 'Other'. Neither Ann nor William have so far been born in Messingham. It is unproved, no 2nd line of fact yet to say it is so. The genealogy you have looked at is assumed, since if that person knew those dates correctly, they would have added the parents for both Ann + William. They don't, that is missing. Like a Boeing disaster, there is a series of problems keeping this plane down. "We are going to land on the Newbold". As you would have noticed in Messingham, the gaps in records there, there is a substantial movement of many individual people going here and there etc. I will say, it is still quite possible that Ann Mason was even b. and bp. in 'Newbold'. Stephen would need the time to get to those churches and records and see if there is something there waiting for him. On the other hand, if Ann Mason were bp 1811 or 1813 in Messingham, you would not find the bp cert in 'Newbold' ?. I have truly learnt a huge amount by looking at this tree. There are some other things I need time to put out. Cheers - Bart [!!!] .... -----Original Message----- I am bailing out and leaving this line of enquiry to Stephen, as I have a gut feeling it is correct. I told her it is driving us mad trying to figure it out!. ------------------------------------------