Yes it was also the original question, but one thing leads to another in genealogy Bart. Did Stephen show you the information from the contact as she is descended from William the brother of Thomas and Benjamin. I cannot see a Newbold, but I am sure the contact will put Stephen right when she gets back. She is family and she has met the Canadian family and they have reunions. it is to be seen if she is Stephens line but this is the one family in Messingham over about three generations going back as far as 1724. It is up to Stephen and the contact to be in touch since they are both on the same family albeit different lines. We have actually jumped over the birth place of Ann now Bart and it really isnt even needed. But They will find out if needed. As I said they and the other contacts when they are in touch can thrash it out now. I was born in England by the way, I like helping people and many have helped me. I am looking forward to seeing what Stephen learns from t! he contact.. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Bart Simon via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: ENG-LINCSGEN@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] What was the place of birth for Ann Mason, born c1813, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham Hello: The question 'Where is 'Newbould' was an excellent question!. I have never been to England and unrelated to Mason/Proctor so far. [What was the place of birth for Ann Mason b.c.1813, the wife of William Proctor bapt 1809 at Messingham]: The place of birth for Ann Mason is 'Newbold' in England, and for William Proctor is unknown but in England. ""IF"" Ann Mason was bp in Messingham, the 2 current options are bp:1813 or bp:1811. I agree on that much, so far. We also need to include the 3rd option being 'Other'. Neither Ann nor William have so far been born in Messingham. It is unproved, no 2nd line of fact yet to say it is so. The genealogy you have looked at is assumed, since if that person knew those dates correctly, they would have added the parents for both Ann + William. They don't, that is missing. Like a Boeing disaster, there is a series of problems keeping this plane down. "We are going to land on the Newbold". As you would have noticed in Messingham, the gaps in records there, there is a substantial movement of many individual people going here and there etc. I will say, it is still quite possible that Ann Mason was even b. and bp. in 'Newbold'. Stephen would need the time to get to those churches and records and see if there is something there waiting for him. On the other hand, if Ann Mason were bp 1811 or 1813 in Messingham, you would not find the bp cert in 'Newbold' ?. I have truly learnt a huge amount by looking at this tree. There are some other things I need time to put out. Cheers - Bart [!!!] .... -----Original Message----- I am bailing out and leaving this line of enquiry to Stephen, as I have a gut feeling it is correct. I told her it is driving us mad trying to figure it out!. ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message