Hi Peter, On our last working holiday in the UK back in 1998 we lived up in Gateshead for four months and I used to go to the Newcastle Library every day bar the weekend when we would go touring staying at Youth Hostels. As I remember the reference section of the library had a set of the Times newspaper film and the whole set of the bmd fiche up til 1992 and several other good records. I had a lovely time there. Going back over thirty plus years, like you I learned the hard way, but most of us who were researching my Great grannys Hedges family did the same thing. Everything fitted lovely, we were all following a family in Essex, except we couldnt find gt grannys birth, her father was there and everything further back (not), until the census came in and we found that she had been born in Ware, Hertfordshire, the rest of her siblings and her mother also.. Then things started to go hayewire again by the time of the 1871 census. Where was my 2nd gt gf. My second cousin thought to put just the christian names in for the whole family and low and behold there they all were but now called Bird. The second record for that event was 2nd gt gf Joseph Hedges death certificate. He had died Joseph Hedges Bird. The informant was my great Grandfather Joseph Crane Lane, his son in law. Gt grannys husband. So there are a lot of twists and turns to sort out. I have never been able to find hi! s birth, but maybe I should be looking at Bird. The trouble wasin eachcensushestaed a different birthplace. Anyway another story another County. I think the Atkinson may have been another enquiry Peter, but it may have been Barts, I havent mention the name Atkinson. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Peter Atkinson <patkinson@supertrout.wanadoo.co.uk> To: eamca@bigpond.com; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] Newbold in Chesterfield, Derbyshire. Distance between Messingham and Derbyshire then and nowand distance between Kingston Upon Hull I have been following this thread with interest although I have no connection (yet? was a William Atkinson mentioned earlier or was that another enquiry?). I agree that you must have a few connections before accepting just the one as possible gospel. That happened to me in my early days of research and I shot of in a number of directions. Although not in the Concise Oxford Dictionary ''Cheers'' is commonly used certainly in NE England and is an alternative for ''cheerio'', which is in the dictionary. Cheerio:- Brit. colloq. expressing good wishes on parting and archaic before drinking (in particular alcohol). Cheers/ Cheerio Peter Newcastle upon Tyne ======================================== Message Received: Jan 27 2016, 04:28 AM From: "eamca via" To: thewanderer@iburst.co.za, eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: Re: [LIN] Newbold in Chesterfield, Derbyshire. Distance between Messingham and Derbyshire then and nowand distance between Kingston Upon Hull Bart, I am not arguing with you about Newbald, but I still dont think it is etched in stone as yet. There are two vowels, before the l d or whatever that is, looks like the d in child so I am happy with that. I am reasonably happy with New, not happy completely with the b as it looks very undernourished to be b, but might be. What I have been trying to do, while you have been looking for the Newbalds about the place, is looking for the first child born to Thomas and Elizabeth who ended up in Messingham. Then for the marriage of that couple, who do not appear to have been married in Messingham but both have died there and the ages at death match with other records. So far like you I have been thrashing things out, I have found this Burton Upon Trent couple to be my best bet, it doesnt have to be your best bet, neither of us may ever be right. I do know that the groom had the same occupation as Thomas in the 1851 census of Messingham and Thomas in 1851 had been a widower for! at least two census and probably more, that would work in with losing his young 38/39 year old wife in Messingham, in childbirth in 1821