Bart, I am not arguing with you about Newbald, but I still dont think it is etched in stone as yet. There are two vowels, before the l d or whatever that is, looks like the d in child so I am happy with that. I am reasonably happy with New, not happy completely with the b as it looks very undernourished to be b, but might be. What I have been trying to do, while you have been looking for the Newbalds about the place, is looking for the first child born to Thomas and Elizabeth who ended up in Messingham. Then for the marriage of that couple, who do not appear to have been married in Messingham but both have died there and the ages at death match with other records. So far like you I have been thrashing things out, I have found this Burton Upon Trent couple to be my best bet, it doesnt have to be your best bet, neither of us may ever be right. I do know that the groom had the same occupation as Thomas in the 1851 census of Messingham and Thomas in 1851 had been a widower for! at least two census and probably more, that would work in with losing his young 38/39 year old wife in Messingham, in childbirth in 1821. I think I have covered all the angles I wanted to as above. Both had been in the Parish just enough time to be of this parish a few weeks. His father was Thomas, she had no parents. But some people were named on her behalf and I think one of those was a Turner! i seem to remember you saying something about a Turner being in the district of Messingham. I could be wrong. I was wondering if you have checked the parents of Jopson Mason as we do not know if the Thomas mason who married Elizabeth Harrison in Staffordshire had any children and it is possible that one of his children would have to be before 1826 as he died 25 years old. They may have named one of their children after their grandparents Thomas mason and Winefred Jopson, Then again in these little country towns, same over here brothers married sisters so there could be a lot of Jopson/Mason combinations. In the time slot we have been working in, Say late 1700s early 1800 there were only 1110 in the population, so most of the Masons would have been related, not all would have lived in the parish of marriage or christenings, I think it may have been farming district so there would be a lot of coming and going of the men looking for work in their field of occupation. Could be Thomas had moved away looking for work when he had met his bride. I certainly wouldn't dismiss the fact that the1842 child in Yorkshire may be connected to this Messingham lot in some way, but I have lost track of how many times, I have thought someone with a strange name had to be a goer as there wouldn't be many of them, then have done a search only to find there are dozens of them. I am sure others would have found that. That was a good find though Bart. Now Cheers as a farewell, yes over here it is used a fair bit, but I heard it a lot when living in England and I think it maybe started there. I like it as a expression of farewell but don't really use it myself at 72 almost, I am too old to start with new expressions. A couple of things I have learnt along the way by those more in the know than me, is that you should have two records for the same event and you should always check the originals. Without doing either you can go up the creek very fast and end up in woop woop! Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Bart Simon via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] Newbold in Chesterfield, Derbyshire. Distance between Messingham and Derbyshire then and nowand distance between Kingston Upon Hull Hello: So far I accept Messingham as the place of birth for Ann Mason's dg Elizabeth. So far I accept that Ann Mason is the one who married William Proctor in Messingham. Ann Mason 'clearly' stated where she was born. It is not Messingham.

I have been following this thread with interest although I have no connection (yet? was a William Atkinson mentioned earlier or was that another enquiry?). I agree that you must have a few connections before accepting just the one as possible gospel. That happened to me in my early days of research and I shot of in a number of directions. Although not in the Concise Oxford Dictionary ''Cheers'' is commonly used certainly in NE England and is an alternative for ''cheerio'', which is in the dictionary. Cheerio:- Brit. colloq. expressing good wishes on parting and archaic before drinking (in particular alcohol). Cheers/ Cheerio Peter Newcastle upon Tyne ======================================== Message Received: Jan 27 2016, 04:28 AM From: "eamca via" To: thewanderer@iburst.co.za, eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: Re: [LIN] Newbold in Chesterfield, Derbyshire. Distance between Messingham and Derbyshire then and nowand distance between Kingston Upon Hull Bart, I am not arguing with you about Newbald, but I still dont think it is etched in stone as yet. There are two vowels, before the l d or whatever that is, looks like the d in child so I am happy with that. I am reasonably happy with New, not happy completely with the b as it looks very undernourished to be b, but might be. What I have been trying to do, while you have been looking for the Newbalds about the place, is looking for the first child born to Thomas and Elizabeth who ended up in Messingham. Then for the marriage of that couple, who do not appear to have been married in Messingham but both have died there and the ages at death match with other records. So far like you I have been thrashing things out, I have found this Burton Upon Trent couple to be my best bet, it doesnt have to be your best bet, neither of us may ever be right. I do know that the groom had the same occupation as Thomas in the 1851 census of Messingham and Thomas in 1851 had been a widower for! at least two census and probably more, that would work in with losing his young 38/39 year old wife in Messingham, in childbirth in 1821. I think I have covered all the angles I wanted to as above. Both had been in the Parish just enough time to be of this parish a few weeks. His father was Thomas, she had no parents. But some people were named on her behalf and I think one of those was a Turner! i seem to remember you saying something about a Turner being in the district of Messingham. I could be wrong. I was wondering if you have checked the parents of Jopson Mason as we do not know if the Thomas mason who married Elizabeth Harrison in Staffordshire had any children and it is possible that one of his children would have to be before 1826 as he died 25 years old. They may have named one of their children after their grandparents Thomas mason and Winefred Jopson, Then again in these little country towns, same over here brothers married sisters so there could be a lot of Jopson/Mason combinations. In the time slot we have been working in, Say late 1700s early 1800 there were only 1110 in the population, so most of the Masons would have been related, not all would have lived in the parish of marriage or christenings, I think it may have been farming district so there would be a lot of coming and going of the men looking for work in their field of occupation. Could be Thomas had moved away looking for work when he had met his bride. I certainly wouldn't dismiss the fact that the1842 child in Yorkshire may be connected to this Messingham lot in some way, but I have lost track of how many times, I have thought someone with a strange name had to be a goer as there wouldn't be many of them, then have done a search only to find there are dozens of them. I am sure others would have found that. That was a good find though Bart. Now Cheers as a farewell, yes over here it is used a fair bit, but I heard it a lot when living in England and I think it maybe started there. I like it as a expression of farewell but don't really use it myself at 72 almost, I am too old to start with new expressions. A couple of things I have learnt along the way by those more in the know than me, is that you should have two records for the same event and you should always check the originals. Without doing either you can go up the creek very fast and end up in woop woop! Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Bart Simon via To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [LIN] Newbold in Chesterfield, Derbyshire. Distance between Messingham and Derbyshire then and nowand distance between Kingston Upon Hull Hello: So far I accept Messingham as the place of birth for Ann Mason's dg Elizabeth. So far I accept that Ann Mason is the one who married William Proctor in Messingham. Ann Mason 'clearly' stated where she was born. It is not Messingham. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is Newbold Manor just south of Burton Upon Trent. Bart. -----Original Message-----