In numerous on-line trees, she is incorrectly identified as Elizabeth ROWBOTHAM unknown, because of an 1814 marriage. It is now clear that she was Elizabeth NEWARK, b 3 July 1788, Waddingham. From Familysearch, her marriage to Richard VINTER was on 16 Jun 1817 at Sculcoates, so this was an early example of a Lincolnshire couple going ‘over the water’ to get married.. In 1841, Richard VINTER is in Alford with 3 children, Harriet, John and William, with no sign of his wife. In 1851, Richard is still there, married, as a lodger. He was buried in Alford on 6 June 1854. However, his wife Elizabeth VINTER, married, can be found in 1851 in Grimsby, housekeeper for Daniel DONCASTER. On 1 October 1855, she married Daniel DONCASTER at Grimsby, St James. In 1861, she is in Grimsby, as widow DONCASTER, with her widowed elder sister Sarah COULAM. Elizabeth died in Grimsby on 19 Jan 1864, and was buried in Ainslie St Cemetery (on 21st) Her maiden name is confirmed from her 1855 marriage (father George NEWARK, laborer). Further confirmation comes from her sister Sarah NEWARK, b 1786 Waddingham, who was the second wife of Valentine COWLAM/COULAM (married 21 Oct 1817 at South Reston). Her daughter Harriet VINTER (b 1821) married John MOBBS on 23 August 1847 at Grimsby St James, and had 3 children in Grimsby before emigrating to the USA, where she apparently had 5 more children, including one with Newark as a middle name (Ada Newark MOBBS in 1860). Elizabeth’s son John VINTER (b 1824) also travelled over the water to Sculcoates to get married ! (to Frances BERRY in 1846). He seems to have had 6 children in Grimsby, but I can only find birth registrations for 3 of them (alternate ones!). I hope this is of interest to someone. It forms part of our updated tree of the descendants of William LUCAS of Authorpe Harvey Colling in Grimsby

Norm, I ready through the single paragraph you sent below as I have a single CUMBERWORTH in my tree to see if it was of relevance - unfortunately at the moment not so. However, not wishing to be picky, I did find it hard to read as there was no paragraph spacing, which would have made it easier to scan and ID some potentially helpful points. Peter Holmes (Licensed Auctioneer) Western Australia Mobile # +61 (0) 40 222 6444 ; -----Original Message----- From: ENG-LINCSGEN [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces+pgh=multiline.com.au@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Norm Gidcumb Sent: Saturday, 13 January 2018 06:33 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Baptisms I stumbled across a baptism on FreeReg for a Betsy CUMBERWORTH on 5 Aug 1888 at St Botolph church in Boston with parents listed as William and Jane. Also on that date is a Charles CUMBERWORTH with same parents. William and Jane are my great-grandparents and in my 30+ years of research I have not found or ever heard of my grandfather having a sister. (Full sister, he has half sisters) William's older brother Charles (Emma Johnson), had a daughter Betsy born Sep 1886 Kirton Fen and died Mar 1889 Kirton Holme. I have her birth certificate which states Charles and Emma as parents, There is no listing for her being baptize that I have seen. William, husband of Jane died in Sep of 1887 so he most likely did not know Jane was with child as son Charles was born 8 mos later. Betsy has to be a twin of Charles and died at birth, but have found no death record for her. Only the three sons listed in 1891 census with Jane. OR, and this is where I'd like an opinion. Betsy, daughter of Charles and Emma was very ill and to have her baptize before she passed they did a double baptism with brother William's son Charles and for some reason only one set of parents names were registered. Would the church allow this? Could it have happened? I know stranger things have happened as when William passed in "87, Jane went on to married his younger brother, which the church did not approved back then. Your thought please,Norm On Saturday, February 14, 2015, 4:57:33 AM CST, Anne Cole via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: Terry and all, To find the parish lists for what is available for each parish do this: Go to the Lincolnshire Archives website and follow this path (some of the links need some scrolling): Collections (picture of repository over link) Archive Collections (picture of searchroom beside) Ecclesiastical (scroll right down for this one) Parish registers and Bishops' transcripts deposited at Lincolnshire Archives (again, scroll right down) Parish registers and Bishops' transcripts - Section One (scroll right down again) Next click on the letter of the alphabet that the parish you want starts on. Scroll down to find the parish and open up the PDF file. Hard to find, I know!! Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk From: Terry Wells [mailto:terry.wells@talktalk.net] Sent: 14 February 2015 10:38 To: 'Anne Cole'; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [LIN] Marriage Banns Anne, Is there a place where the 4 digit numbers denoting the parish are listed? I have found a few of the parishes I am interested in by changing the number but it is rather long winded doing it this way! -----Original Message----- From: Anne Cole [mailto:duncalf@one-name.org] Sent: 13 February 2015 15:40 To: 'John Rylatt'; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Marriage Banns John, see here http://www.lincolnshire.gov.uk//Download/2028 That should get you straight to what has been deposited for Anwick. Only Banns book starts 1824 (if I remembered the date correctly). Anne ________________________________________ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4284/9108 - Release Date: 02/13/15 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4284/9110 - Release Date: 02/14/15 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To Pam and Peter, thank you.  I am sorry for the format the message was sent, I also tried to rid it of the other messages but couldn't do it either. Pam, the reference to lincstothepast is greatly appreciated.  I normally go there, didn't, probably thought that I had, that's my fault.  The free reg just didn't seem right when I frist saw it, glad it's cleared up. Peter, who is your single Cumberworth?  I may be able t give you more information on him/her if you'd like it. Again, thanks to both,Norm

Norm, When you look at the actual PR page, look in the right-hand margin. There is an important note written beside the two Cumberworth entries. FreeREG themselves warn about confirming entries. At the bottom of every page they say: "The FreeREG database is just a finding tool. It should not be considered to be *proof* that such event was recorded. Always confirm its content with the actual register at a County Record Office, local Family History Society or LDS Family History Centre." Pam Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ On 13 January 2018 at 07:57, Pam Downes <pamdee113@gmail.com> wrote: > Norm, > > You should only ever use an index such as FreeREG as a guide, and when > you've found a possible link, then refer to the original document. > Especially in cases like this where you have a query. > Hopefully the correct page from the PR. > https://www.lincstothepast.com/Records/RecordDisplayTranscript.aspx? > oid=523287&iid=59242 > A copy without the watermark is available on Findmypast. > https:// > search.findmypast.co.uk/search-world-Records/ > lincolnshire-parish-registers-browse-1538-1911 > > I have advised FreeREG of their error. > > (With apologies for quoting all of the previous messages. For some reason > I can't delete them.) > > Pam > Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ > > > On 13 January 2018 at 07:28, Peter Holmes <pgh@multiline.com.au> wrote: > >> Norm, >> >> I ready through the single paragraph you sent below as I have a single >> CUMBERWORTH in my tree to see if it was of relevance - unfortunately at the >> moment not so. >> >> However, not wishing to be picky, I did find it hard to read as there was >> no paragraph spacing, which would have made it easier to scan and ID some >> potentially helpful points. >> >> Peter Holmes (Licensed Auctioneer) >> >> Western Australia Mobile # +61 (0) 40 222 6444 ; >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ENG-LINCSGEN [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces+pgh= >> multiline.com.au@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Norm Gidcumb >> Sent: Saturday, 13 January 2018 06:33 >> To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [LIN] Baptisms >> >> >> I stumbled across a baptism on FreeReg for a Betsy CUMBERWORTH on 5 Aug >> 1888 at St Botolph church in Boston with parents listed as William and >> Jane. Also on that date is a Charles CUMBERWORTH with same parents. >> William and Jane are my great-grandparents and in my 30+ years of research >> I have not found or ever heard of my grandfather having a sister. (Full >> sister, he has half sisters) William's older brother Charles (Emma >> Johnson), had a daughter Betsy born Sep 1886 Kirton Fen and died Mar 1889 >> Kirton Holme. I have her birth certificate which states Charles and Emma >> as parents, There is no listing for her being baptize that I have seen. >> William, husband of Jane died in Sep of 1887 so he most likely did not >> know Jane was with child as son Charles was born 8 mos later. >> Betsy has to be a twin of Charles and died at birth, but have found no >> death record for her. Only the three sons listed in 1891 census with >> Jane. OR, and this is where I'd like an opinion. Betsy, daughter of >> Charles and Emma was very ill and to have her baptize before she passed >> they did a double baptism with brother William's son Charles and for some >> reason only one set of parents names were registered. >> Would the church allow this? Could it have happened? I know stranger >> things have happened as when William passed in "87, Jane went on to married >> his younger brother, which the church did not approved back then. >> Your thought please,Norm >> On Saturday, February 14, 2015, 4:57:33 AM CST, Anne Cole via < >> eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> Terry and all, >> >> To find the parish lists for what is available for each parish do this: >> >> >> Go to the Lincolnshire Archives website and follow this path (some of the >> links need some scrolling): >> >> Collections (picture of repository over link) >> >> Archive Collections (picture of searchroom beside) >> >> Ecclesiastical (scroll right down for this one) >> >> Parish registers and Bishops' transcripts deposited at Lincolnshire >> Archives (again, scroll right down) >> >> Parish registers and Bishops' transcripts - Section One (scroll right down >> again) >> >> Next click on the letter of the alphabet that the parish you want starts >> on. >> >> Scroll down to find the parish and open up the PDF file. >> >> Hard to find, I know!! >> >> Anne >> >> >> >> >> >> Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society >> >> Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 >> >> http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html >> http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ >> >> Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index >> >> http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ >> >> Lincolnshire Family History Society >> >> http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk >> >> From: Terry Wells [mailto:terry.wells@talktalk.net] >> Sent: 14 February 2015 10:38 >> To: 'Anne Cole'; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com >> Subject: RE: [LIN] Marriage Banns >> >> Anne, >> >> Is there a place where the 4 digit numbers denoting the parish are >> listed? I have found a few of the parishes I am interested in by changing >> the number but it is rather long winded doing it this way! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Anne Cole [mailto:duncalf@one-name.org] >> Sent: 13 February 2015 15:40 >> To: 'John Rylatt'; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [LIN] Marriage Banns >> >> John, see here http://www.lincolnshire.gov.uk//Download/2028 >> >> That should get you straight to what has been deposited for Anwick. Only >> Banns book starts >> 1824 (if I remembered the date correctly). >> >> Anne >> >> ________________________________________ >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4284/9108 - Release Date: 02/13/15 >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4284/9110 - Release Date: 02/14/15 >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

Norm, You should only ever use an index such as FreeREG as a guide, and when you've found a possible link, then refer to the original document. Especially in cases like this where you have a query. Hopefully the correct page from the PR. https://www.lincstothepast.com/Records/RecordDisplayTranscript.aspx?oid=523287&iid=59242 A copy without the watermark is available on Findmypast. https:// search.findmypast.co.uk/search-world-Records/lincolnshire-parish-registers-browse-1538-1911 I have advised FreeREG of their error. (With apologies for quoting all of the previous messages. For some reason I can't delete them.) Pam Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ On 13 January 2018 at 07:28, Peter Holmes <pgh@multiline.com.au> wrote: > Norm, > > I ready through the single paragraph you sent below as I have a single > CUMBERWORTH in my tree to see if it was of relevance - unfortunately at the > moment not so. > > However, not wishing to be picky, I did find it hard to read as there was > no paragraph spacing, which would have made it easier to scan and ID some > potentially helpful points. > > Peter Holmes (Licensed Auctioneer) > > Western Australia Mobile # +61 (0) 40 222 6444 ; > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ENG-LINCSGEN [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces+pgh= > multiline.com.au@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Norm Gidcumb > Sent: Saturday, 13 January 2018 06:33 > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LIN] Baptisms > > > I stumbled across a baptism on FreeReg for a Betsy CUMBERWORTH on 5 Aug > 1888 at St Botolph church in Boston with parents listed as William and > Jane. Also on that date is a Charles CUMBERWORTH with same parents. > William and Jane are my great-grandparents and in my 30+ years of research > I have not found or ever heard of my grandfather having a sister. (Full > sister, he has half sisters) William's older brother Charles (Emma > Johnson), had a daughter Betsy born Sep 1886 Kirton Fen and died Mar 1889 > Kirton Holme. I have her birth certificate which states Charles and Emma > as parents, There is no listing for her being baptize that I have seen. > William, husband of Jane died in Sep of 1887 so he most likely did not > know Jane was with child as son Charles was born 8 mos later. > Betsy has to be a twin of Charles and died at birth, but have found no > death record for her. Only the three sons listed in 1891 census with > Jane. OR, and this is where I'd like an opinion. Betsy, daughter of > Charles and Emma was very ill and to have her baptize before she passed > they did a double baptism with brother William's son Charles and for some > reason only one set of parents names were registered. > Would the church allow this? Could it have happened? I know stranger > things have happened as when William passed in "87, Jane went on to married > his younger brother, which the church did not approved back then. > Your thought please,Norm > On Saturday, February 14, 2015, 4:57:33 AM CST, Anne Cole via < > eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Terry and all, > > To find the parish lists for what is available for each parish do this: > > > Go to the Lincolnshire Archives website and follow this path (some of the > links need some scrolling): > > Collections (picture of repository over link) > > Archive Collections (picture of searchroom beside) > > Ecclesiastical (scroll right down for this one) > > Parish registers and Bishops' transcripts deposited at Lincolnshire > Archives (again, scroll right down) > > Parish registers and Bishops' transcripts - Section One (scroll right down > again) > > Next click on the letter of the alphabet that the parish you want starts > on. > > Scroll down to find the parish and open up the PDF file. > > Hard to find, I know!! > > Anne > > > > > > Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society > > Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 > > http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html > http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ > > Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index > > http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ > > Lincolnshire Family History Society > > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk > > From: Terry Wells [mailto:terry.wells@talktalk.net] > Sent: 14 February 2015 10:38 > To: 'Anne Cole'; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [LIN] Marriage Banns > > Anne, > > Is there a place where the 4 digit numbers denoting the parish are listed? > I have found a few of the parishes I am interested in by changing the > number but it is rather long winded doing it this way! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anne Cole [mailto:duncalf@one-name.org] > Sent: 13 February 2015 15:40 > To: 'John Rylatt'; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LIN] Marriage Banns > > John, see here http://www.lincolnshire.gov.uk//Download/2028 > > That should get you straight to what has been deposited for Anwick. Only > Banns book starts > 1824 (if I remembered the date correctly). > > Anne > > ________________________________________ > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4284/9108 - Release Date: 02/13/15 > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4284/9110 - Release Date: 02/14/15 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I stumbled across a baptism on FreeReg for a Betsy CUMBERWORTH on 5 Aug 1888 at St Botolph church in Boston with parents listed as William and Jane.  Also on that date is a Charles CUMBERWORTH with same parents.  William and Jane are my great-grandparents and in my 30+ years of research I have not found or ever heard of my grandfather having a sister.  (Full sister, he has half sisters) William's older brother Charles (Emma Johnson), had a daughter Betsy born Sep 1886 Kirton Fen and died Mar 1889 Kirton Holme.  I have her birth certificate which states Charles and Emma as parents,  There is no listing for her being baptize that I have seen. William, husband of Jane died in Sep of 1887 so he most likely did not know Jane was with child as son Charles was born 8 mos later. Betsy has to be a twin of Charles and died at birth, but have found no death record for her.  Only the three sons listed in 1891 census with Jane.  OR, and this is where I'd like an opinion.  Betsy, daughter of Charles and Emma was very ill and to have her baptize before she passed they did a double baptism with brother William's son Charles and for some reason only one set of parents names were registered. Would the church allow this?  Could it have happened?  I know stranger things have happened as when William passed in "87, Jane went on to married his younger brother, which the church did not approved back then. Your thought please,Norm On Saturday, February 14, 2015, 4:57:33 AM CST, Anne Cole via <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: Terry and all, To find the parish lists for what is available for each parish do this: Go to the Lincolnshire Archives website and follow this path (some of the links need some scrolling): Collections (picture of repository over link) Archive Collections (picture of searchroom beside) Ecclesiastical (scroll right down for this one) Parish registers and Bishops' transcripts deposited at Lincolnshire Archives (again, scroll right down) Parish registers and Bishops' transcripts - Section One (scroll right down again) Next click on the letter of the alphabet that the parish you want starts on. Scroll down to find the parish and open up the PDF file. Hard to find, I know!! Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk From: Terry Wells [mailto:terry.wells@talktalk.net] Sent: 14 February 2015 10:38 To: 'Anne Cole'; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [LIN] Marriage Banns Anne, Is there a place where the 4 digit numbers denoting the parish are listed?  I have found a few of the parishes I am interested in by changing the number but it is rather long winded doing it this way! -----Original Message----- From: Anne Cole [mailto:duncalf@one-name.org] Sent: 13 February 2015 15:40 To: 'John Rylatt'; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Marriage Banns John, see here http://www.lincolnshire.gov.uk//Download/2028 That should get you straight to what has been deposited for Anwick. Only Banns book starts 1824 (if I remembered the date correctly). Anne ________________________________________ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4284/9108 - Release Date: 02/13/15 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4284/9110 - Release Date: 02/14/15 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Nivard #esI have and even after all these years i cannot make it work On 18 December 2017 at 18:18, Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: > > Have you looked at https://www.lincstothepast.com/ > > Under Help, Using the site > > How to search for parish registers > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 18-Dec-17 9:28 AM, June Wilson wrote: > >> Good morning list >> >> Hope all is well, >> >> Does anyone have any historical information on Gainsborough, parish >> registers poor rates population figures census its for my uni assignment. >> i'm looking to do this. >> >> - Analyse the household composition of a street or neighbourhood >> within >> Victorian >> Gainsborough >> and discuss what it might tell us about the local area. >> >> >> >> best wishes June >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Have you looked at https://www.lincstothepast.com/ Under Help, Using the site How to search for parish registers Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 18-Dec-17 9:28 AM, June Wilson wrote: > Good morning list > > Hope all is well, > > Does anyone have any historical information on Gainsborough, parish > registers poor rates population figures census its for my uni assignment. > i'm looking to do this. > > - Analyse the household composition of a street or neighbourhood within > Victorian > Gainsborough > and discuss what it might tell us about the local area. > > > > best wishes June

Many thanks, Pat have got some of their CDs On 18 December 2017 at 17:39, Pat Horton <pat.horton@btinternet.com> wrote: > > > Hi June > > A good starting point could be the Gainsborough Heritage Centre. I > haven't been there myself but you can look up their details on line. > > Good luck with your assignment. > > > Regards > > Pat Horton > > > ----Original message---- > From : junewilson46@gmail.com > Date : 18/12/2017 - 09:28 (GMTST) > To : eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject : [LIN] Gainsborough > > Good morning list > > Hope all is well, > > Does anyone have any historical information on Gainsborough, parish > registers poor rates population figures census its for my uni assignment. > i'm looking to do this. > > - Analyse the household composition of a street or neighbourhood within > Victorian > Gainsborough > and discuss what it might tell us about the local area. > > > > best wishes June > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi June A good starting point could be the Gainsborough Heritage Centre. I haven't been there myself but you can look up their details on line. Good luck with your assignment. Regards Pat Horton ----Original message---- >From : junewilson46@gmail.com Date : 18/12/2017 - 09:28 (GMTST) To : eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject : [LIN] Gainsborough Good morning list Hope all is well, Does anyone have any historical information on Gainsborough, parish registers poor rates population figures census its for my uni assignment. i'm looking to do this. - Analyse the household composition of a street or neighbourhood within Victorian Gainsborough and discuss what it might tell us about the local area. best wishes June ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good morning list Hope all is well, Does anyone have any historical information on Gainsborough, parish registers poor rates population figures census its for my uni assignment. i'm looking to do this. - Analyse the household composition of a street or neighbourhood within Victorian Gainsborough and discuss what it might tell us about the local area. best wishes June

I just noticed the Utterby connection in this thread. My gt aunt Nellie Locking married Harry Robinson as his second wife in 1942. He farmed at Randall House farm in Utterby until they retired to "The Dell" a small cottage in the village ( still there). They both died in the 1970s. Long time difference, I know! Elizabeth Davies Sent from my iPad > On Dec 16, 2017, at 10:36 PM, Ivy Trumpour <itrump@telus.net> wrote: > > Hi Diana, > > Interesting thoughts, my first suspicion also was carbon monoxide. Another > possibility food poisoning? Children could have been temporarily away at the > time. Some may have died or left home, as you suggest. I could have missed > baptisms for other children born in the age gaps. Ruth was 49 when she died. > I find that spacing of the youngest children generally gets longer, so more > likely no others. > > There is a Stephen Robinson at Bratoft of the right age with children named > Ruth, Stephen, Jane and Thomas who may have been the 11 year old survivor. > Bratoft is between Leake and Utterby. > > Ivy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Diana Robinson [mailto:drobins6@rochester.rr.com] > Sent: December 15, 2017 4:09 PM > To: 'Ivy Trumpour'; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [LIN] Stephen Robinson of Leake > > Speculating wildly, I wonder whether carbon monoxide might have been > involved in the parents' death. It was February. Speaking against that is > the fact that the children survived, although at that time the older ones > were quite likely already away from home - at least the oldest three, and > possibly even the Charles and Stephen. It was not unusual for, for example, > a "young lad" to be living in another family in order to do chores in return > for his keep - especially if the boy's parents were having difficult feeding > their family. My own great grandparents, living in North Owersby, had the 11 > year old child of a neighbor living with them at the time of the 1881 > census. > > I am also interested because my ex-husband (i.e. father of both my adult > children) is a Robinson. He was born in Utterby and I'm writing this before > looking to see if Leake is anywhere near there. > > And lastly, although knowing of no Stephens in the family, we named our son > Stephen. > > Diana Robinson > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ivy Trumpour [mailto:itrump@telus.net] > Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 4:59 PM > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LIN] Stephen Robinson of Leake > > I have a Stephen ROBINSON, born about 1759. > > > > He married Ruth HOWARD (maiden name REESON) in Leake in 1785. She buried her > first husband Robert STANNEY in 1783 and her second, William HOWARD, the > following year. Stephen and Ruth had 8 children, who, if living, were aged 4 > to 19 when both Stephen and Ruth were buried on 15 Dec 1806 in Leake. She > was 49, he was 47. > > > > What tragedy took their lives? What happened to the children? Jane married > William WILLIAMS and spent the rest of her 81 years in Leverton. I don't > know what became of the others, including step children Elizabeth EDLING, > baptised 1774; Robert STANNEY, bpt 1777; and Susanna STANNEY bpt 1784. > > > > I am delighted with the "Stephen" prompt, because after writing the above I > investigated further and found in the Northampton Mercury of 21 Feb 1807: > "Awful instances of sudden death - A short time since, Mr. Stephen Robinson, > of Leake, in Lincolnshire, went from home to attend a public meeting, > leaving his wife in good health. On his return he found her dead. Soon > afterwards he was himself taken ill, and died in a few hours, leaving three > small children." > > > > The children I know about were Jane age 19, John 18, Ann 15, Charles 12, > Stephen 11, Thomas 8, Sarah 4. As usual, answers bring more questions. > > > > Ivy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My own line is so widespread - also into Lincolnshire which is a wilder coincidence that one might think - that I have not spent a lot of time on my offsprings' paternal line. However, as far back as it goes within my knowledge is a Robert Robinson who married Charlotte Markham, registered June 1864 in Caistor. One of their eight offspring was Christopher Robert, who married Mary Jane Neal in 1909. If the death information for Robert Robinson was accurate (always a bit of a long shot) he was born in 1834 or 1835. Diana (Gardner) Robinson -----Original Message----- From: Ivy Trumpour [mailto:itrump@telus.net] Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 5:37 PM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Stephen Robinson of Leake -----Original Message----- From: Ivy Trumpour [mailto:itrump@telus.net] Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 5:37 PM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LIN] Stephen Robinson of Leake Hi Diana, Interesting thoughts, my first suspicion also was carbon monoxide. Another possibility food poisoning? Children could have been temporarily away at the time. Some may have died or left home, as you suggest. I could have missed baptisms for other children born in the age gaps. Ruth was 49 when she died. I find that spacing of the youngest children generally gets longer, so more likely no others. There is a Stephen Robinson at Bratoft of the right age with children named Ruth, Stephen, Jane and Thomas who may have been the 11 year old survivor. Bratoft is between Leake and Utterby. Ivy -----Original Message----- From: Diana Robinson [mailto:drobins6@rochester.rr.com] Sent: December 15, 2017 4:09 PM To: 'Ivy Trumpour'; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [LIN] Stephen Robinson of Leake Speculating wildly, I wonder whether carbon monoxide might have been involved in the parents' death. It was February. Speaking against that is the fact that the children survived, although at that time the older ones were quite likely already away from home - at least the oldest three, and possibly even the Charles and Stephen. It was not unusual for, for example, a "young lad" to be living in another family in order to do chores in return for his keep - especially if the boy's parents were having difficult feeding their family. My own great grandparents, living in North Owersby, had the 11 year old child of a neighbor living with them at the time of the 1881 census. I am also interested because my ex-husband (i.e. father of both my adult children) is a Robinson. He was born in Utterby and I'm writing this before looking to see if Leake is anywhere near there. And lastly, although knowing of no Stephens in the family, we named our son Stephen. Diana Robinson -----Original Message----- From: Ivy Trumpour [mailto:itrump@telus.net] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 4:59 PM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Stephen Robinson of Leake I have a Stephen ROBINSON, born about 1759. He married Ruth HOWARD (maiden name REESON) in Leake in 1785. She buried her first husband Robert STANNEY in 1783 and her second, William HOWARD, the following year. Stephen and Ruth had 8 children, who, if living, were aged 4 to 19 when both Stephen and Ruth were buried on 15 Dec 1806 in Leake. She was 49, he was 47. What tragedy took their lives? What happened to the children? Jane married William WILLIAMS and spent the rest of her 81 years in Leverton. I don't know what became of the others, including step children Elizabeth EDLING, baptised 1774; Robert STANNEY, bpt 1777; and Susanna STANNEY bpt 1784. I am delighted with the "Stephen" prompt, because after writing the above I investigated further and found in the Northampton Mercury of 21 Feb 1807: "Awful instances of sudden death - A short time since, Mr. Stephen Robinson, of Leake, in Lincolnshire, went from home to attend a public meeting, leaving his wife in good health. On his return he found her dead. Soon afterwards he was himself taken ill, and died in a few hours, leaving three small children." The children I know about were Jane age 19, John 18, Ann 15, Charles 12, Stephen 11, Thomas 8, Sarah 4. As usual, answers bring more questions. Ivy

Hi Diana, if you look at the post that I have just sent to Lou, you may see something of interest to your family, because, my family is also connected to the Robinson's from Utterby Lincolnshire. bazza On 15 December 2017 at 23:08, Diana Robinson <drobins6@rochester.rr.com> wrote: > Speculating wildly, I wonder whether carbon monoxide might have been > involved in the parents' death. It was February. Speaking against that is > the fact that the children survived, although at that time the older ones > were quite likely already away from home - at least the oldest three, and > possibly even the Charles and Stephen. It was not unusual for, for example, > a "young lad" to be living in another family in order to do chores in > return > for his keep - especially if the boy's parents were having difficult > feeding > their family. My own great grandparents, living in North Owersby, had the > 11 > year old child of a neighbor living with them at the time of the 1881 > census. > > I am also interested because my ex-husband (i.e. father of both my adult > children) is a Robinson. He was born in Utterby and I'm writing this before > looking to see if Leake is anywhere near there. > > And lastly, although knowing of no Stephens in the family, we named our son > Stephen. > > Diana Robinson > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ivy Trumpour [mailto:itrump@telus.net] > Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 4:59 PM > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LIN] Stephen Robinson of Leake > > I have a Stephen ROBINSON, born about 1759. > > > > He married Ruth HOWARD (maiden name REESON) in Leake in 1785. She buried > her > first husband Robert STANNEY in 1783 and her second, William HOWARD, the > following year. Stephen and Ruth had 8 children, who, if living, were aged > 4 > to 19 when both Stephen and Ruth were buried on 15 Dec 1806 in Leake. She > was 49, he was 47. > > > > What tragedy took their lives? What happened to the children? Jane married > William WILLIAMS and spent the rest of her 81 years in Leverton. I don't > know what became of the others, including step children Elizabeth EDLING, > baptised 1774; Robert STANNEY, bpt 1777; and Susanna STANNEY bpt 1784. > > > > I am delighted with the "Stephen" prompt, because after writing the above I > investigated further and found in the Northampton Mercury of 21 Feb 1807: > "Awful instances of sudden death - A short time since, Mr. Stephen > Robinson, > of Leake, in Lincolnshire, went from home to attend a public meeting, > leaving his wife in good health. On his return he found her dead. Soon > afterwards he was himself taken ill, and died in a few hours, leaving three > small children." > > > > The children I know about were Jane age 19, John 18, Ann 15, Charles 12, > Stephen 11, Thomas 8, Sarah 4. As usual, answers bring more questions. > > > > Ivy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Lou, sorry this is a bit delayed, I have just dug up a rellie from my records, ( one of two that I am aware of ), named Stephen as follows, Stephen Robinson circa 1839 in Utterby Lincolnshire wife name was Hannah from Waltham Lincolnshire circa 1853. Stephen was my step Gr. Grandfather on my mothers first husbands side. My second Stephen was , Stephen Roberts circa 1802 Minting Lincolnshire, who was also related through my mothers side, she was Mary Ellen Roberts Dob. July 1909 in Minigsby Lincolnshire. Mary Ellen Roberts was the daughter of Mary Ellen Wilson who was from Frampton Lincolnshire circa 1878. My mother eventually became Mary Ellen Wilson in 1935 when she married my father Fredrick Wilson in Holbeach Lincolnshire. As you can see Lou, quite a strange story in my family. Bazza On 9 December 2017 at 22:21, Ron Wingrove <wingrove@mnsi.net> wrote: > Sorry to jump in on this thread but Pinchbeck jumped out at me. I have > James > Gossling born 1852 and came to Canada in 1860??? > > I have never found an Irish record for him. > > Thanks > Ron Wingrove > Wingrove@mnsi.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: ENG-LINCSGEN > [mailto:eng-lincsgen-bounces+wingrove=mnsi.net@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Linda > Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 4:38 PM > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LIN] Admin. note: Stephen > > Hi Lou, and Missing Lincs > I too had a hard time finding a Lincolnshire Stephen, Lou, but finally > spied > one and then realized it became a name the family passed down ...so bonus > points! > > Stephen Garwell married 31 Jul 1817 Sarah Sickley at Pinchbeck. > Stephen's son married 18 Jun 1855 Elizabeth Timm at West Pinchbeck. > Stephens dad was Stephen Garwell who married an Ann. > Can anyone help me find Ann's last name, their marriage and if they were > indeed born in Pincheck? > Thank you for any help you can give, > Linda > B.C. > Canada > > > Arggghh! Not a single Stephen or Steve or Stephanie born in Lincolnshire > in > my trees. Oh, a few from Kent, but you can't count them, can you? I did > find a man names "Stormy Petrel" and have to wonder how that name came > about > for him. On my wife's trees we sometimes find a Septimus and a Sextus, but > no Octavius. I guess 7th sons were a bit more propitious. Odd, though. I > always thought Stephen would be a more common name. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Diana, Interesting thoughts, my first suspicion also was carbon monoxide. Another possibility food poisoning? Children could have been temporarily away at the time. Some may have died or left home, as you suggest. I could have missed baptisms for other children born in the age gaps. Ruth was 49 when she died. I find that spacing of the youngest children generally gets longer, so more likely no others. There is a Stephen Robinson at Bratoft of the right age with children named Ruth, Stephen, Jane and Thomas who may have been the 11 year old survivor. Bratoft is between Leake and Utterby. Ivy -----Original Message----- From: Diana Robinson [mailto:drobins6@rochester.rr.com] Sent: December 15, 2017 4:09 PM To: 'Ivy Trumpour'; eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [LIN] Stephen Robinson of Leake Speculating wildly, I wonder whether carbon monoxide might have been involved in the parents' death. It was February. Speaking against that is the fact that the children survived, although at that time the older ones were quite likely already away from home - at least the oldest three, and possibly even the Charles and Stephen. It was not unusual for, for example, a "young lad" to be living in another family in order to do chores in return for his keep - especially if the boy's parents were having difficult feeding their family. My own great grandparents, living in North Owersby, had the 11 year old child of a neighbor living with them at the time of the 1881 census. I am also interested because my ex-husband (i.e. father of both my adult children) is a Robinson. He was born in Utterby and I'm writing this before looking to see if Leake is anywhere near there. And lastly, although knowing of no Stephens in the family, we named our son Stephen. Diana Robinson -----Original Message----- From: Ivy Trumpour [mailto:itrump@telus.net] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 4:59 PM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Stephen Robinson of Leake I have a Stephen ROBINSON, born about 1759. He married Ruth HOWARD (maiden name REESON) in Leake in 1785. She buried her first husband Robert STANNEY in 1783 and her second, William HOWARD, the following year. Stephen and Ruth had 8 children, who, if living, were aged 4 to 19 when both Stephen and Ruth were buried on 15 Dec 1806 in Leake. She was 49, he was 47. What tragedy took their lives? What happened to the children? Jane married William WILLIAMS and spent the rest of her 81 years in Leverton. I don't know what became of the others, including step children Elizabeth EDLING, baptised 1774; Robert STANNEY, bpt 1777; and Susanna STANNEY bpt 1784. I am delighted with the "Stephen" prompt, because after writing the above I investigated further and found in the Northampton Mercury of 21 Feb 1807: "Awful instances of sudden death - A short time since, Mr. Stephen Robinson, of Leake, in Lincolnshire, went from home to attend a public meeting, leaving his wife in good health. On his return he found her dead. Soon afterwards he was himself taken ill, and died in a few hours, leaving three small children." The children I know about were Jane age 19, John 18, Ann 15, Charles 12, Stephen 11, Thomas 8, Sarah 4. As usual, answers bring more questions. Ivy

Speculating wildly, I wonder whether carbon monoxide might have been involved in the parents' death. It was February. Speaking against that is the fact that the children survived, although at that time the older ones were quite likely already away from home - at least the oldest three, and possibly even the Charles and Stephen. It was not unusual for, for example, a "young lad" to be living in another family in order to do chores in return for his keep - especially if the boy's parents were having difficult feeding their family. My own great grandparents, living in North Owersby, had the 11 year old child of a neighbor living with them at the time of the 1881 census. I am also interested because my ex-husband (i.e. father of both my adult children) is a Robinson. He was born in Utterby and I'm writing this before looking to see if Leake is anywhere near there. And lastly, although knowing of no Stephens in the family, we named our son Stephen. Diana Robinson -----Original Message----- From: Ivy Trumpour [mailto:itrump@telus.net] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 4:59 PM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Stephen Robinson of Leake I have a Stephen ROBINSON, born about 1759. He married Ruth HOWARD (maiden name REESON) in Leake in 1785. She buried her first husband Robert STANNEY in 1783 and her second, William HOWARD, the following year. Stephen and Ruth had 8 children, who, if living, were aged 4 to 19 when both Stephen and Ruth were buried on 15 Dec 1806 in Leake. She was 49, he was 47. What tragedy took their lives? What happened to the children? Jane married William WILLIAMS and spent the rest of her 81 years in Leverton. I don't know what became of the others, including step children Elizabeth EDLING, baptised 1774; Robert STANNEY, bpt 1777; and Susanna STANNEY bpt 1784. I am delighted with the "Stephen" prompt, because after writing the above I investigated further and found in the Northampton Mercury of 21 Feb 1807: "Awful instances of sudden death - A short time since, Mr. Stephen Robinson, of Leake, in Lincolnshire, went from home to attend a public meeting, leaving his wife in good health. On his return he found her dead. Soon afterwards he was himself taken ill, and died in a few hours, leaving three small children." The children I know about were Jane age 19, John 18, Ann 15, Charles 12, Stephen 11, Thomas 8, Sarah 4. As usual, answers bring more questions. Ivy

I have a Stephen ROBINSON, born about 1759. He married Ruth HOWARD (maiden name REESON) in Leake in 1785. She buried her first husband Robert STANNEY in 1783 and her second, William HOWARD, the following year. Stephen and Ruth had 8 children, who, if living, were aged 4 to 19 when both Stephen and Ruth were buried on 15 Dec 1806 in Leake. She was 49, he was 47. What tragedy took their lives? What happened to the children? Jane married William WILLIAMS and spent the rest of her 81 years in Leverton. I don't know what became of the others, including step children Elizabeth EDLING, baptised 1774; Robert STANNEY, bpt 1777; and Susanna STANNEY bpt 1784. I am delighted with the "Stephen" prompt, because after writing the above I investigated further and found in the Northampton Mercury of 21 Feb 1807: "Awful instances of sudden death - A short time since, Mr. Stephen Robinson, of Leake, in Lincolnshire, went from home to attend a public meeting, leaving his wife in good health. On his return he found her dead. Soon afterwards he was himself taken ill, and died in a few hours, leaving three small children." The children I know about were Jane age 19, John 18, Ann 15, Charles 12, Stephen 11, Thomas 8, Sarah 4. As usual, answers bring more questions. Ivy

OED defines a Jobber as :- A person who buys and sells goods as a middleman or dealer; a small trader or salesman; a wholesaler. So in your context it probably means he is buying in loads of coal and selling in smaller lots to householders, not necessarily a wholesaler as we would know it Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 15-Dec-17 11:04 AM, BobJ wrote: > I was looking for the Bapt. of Alice HARBY, 4 Nov. 1792, at Foston in Long Bennington parish, dau of William HARBY. William’s occupation is given as Coal Jobber. > Looking at the image of this register page I see that John SMITH and Thos. SOUTHERN are also Coal Jobbers. > Searching on Google it appears that Coal Jobber is a coal wholesaler. > Why would there be 3 coal wholesalers in Foston? > Bob Jennings.

I was looking for the Bapt. of Alice HARBY, 4 Nov. 1792, at Foston in Long Bennington parish, dau of William HARBY. William’s occupation is given as Coal Jobber. Looking at the image of this register page I see that John SMITH and Thos. SOUTHERN are also Coal Jobbers. Searching on Google it appears that Coal Jobber is a coal wholesaler. Why would there be 3 coal wholesalers in Foston? Bob Jennings.