Terry Fred was the oldest boy and came to Eastern Canada, and Carolyn the next living child married and lived in Leicestershire. James Edward died as an infant, Five out of their 13 kids died at birth. Eliza's maiden name was Hooton, daughter of Edward Hooton and Mary Wood.. Her first husband was John Newton...I know, we're not the only ones that have been confused. It took me a long time and with a lot of help to figure all this out. Appreciate your interest Linda Further to my previous: Regarding the two children enumerated in 1861 census - Fredrick Plowright 5 and Caroline Plowright 3. Frederick was actually registered as James Frederick (Boston Jun ¼ 1856 7a/365) and Caroline registered Boston Jun ¼ 1858 7a/345. Both these registrations give Eliza's correct maiden name of HOOTON. There was also a James Edward registered Boston Mar ¼ 1855 7a/344 with mother's maiden name HOOTON. James Edward's death is registered at Boston Sep ¼ 1855 7a/185. Are you sure that the Eliza with spelling PLOUGHWRIGHT and mother's maiden name given as NEWTON is actually the same family? Terry

Further to my previous: Regarding the two children enumerated in 1861 census - Fredrick Plowright 5 and Caroline Plowright 3. Frederick was actually registered as James Frederick (Boston Jun ¼ 1856 7a/365) and Caroline registered Boston Jun ¼ 1858 7a/345. Both these registrations give Eliza's correct maiden name of HOOTON. There was also a James Edward registered Boston Mar ¼ 1855 7a/344 with mother's maiden name HOOTON. James Edward's death is registered at Boston Sep ¼ 1855 7a/185. Are you sure that the Eliza with spelling PLOUGHWRIGHT and mother's maiden name given as NEWTON is actually the same family? Terry -----Original Message----- From: Terry Wells [mailto:terry.wells@talktalk.net] Sent: 25 March 2018 09:59 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Re: death of Thomas NEWTON & Eliza Hooton/NEWTON/PLOWRIGHT 2nd marriage. If this is indeed the death registration of the correct John Newton and he died in Mar Quarter 1854 then this was after Eliza Hooton Newton had a baby girl, Eliza on July 1, 1853. Terry -----Original Message----- From: Hilary Thomas [mailto:family@mypandas.me.uk] Sent: 24 March 2018 21:41 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Re: death of Thomas NEWTON & Eliza Hooton/NEWTON/PLOWRIGHT 2nd marriage. You stated originally that Eliza married John Newton but then say you are looking for the death of Thomas Newton. If Eliza’s husband was John Newton then there is this death which maybe what you are looking for John Newton died Mar Quarter 1854, Boston Registration district volume 7a page 233. This can be found on Find my past, FreeBMD and the GRO website. Not yet found a marriage for Eliza to James Plowright but will try again. It is possible that they never married but said they were for convention. Hope this helps Regards Hilary Sent from my iPad > On 24 Mar 2018, at 20:27, Linda <vesey@dccnet.com> wrote: > > HI Missing Lincs. > > It seems we are back at last ...I've missed you all. > > Speaking of marriages, I haven't been able to find my Great > Grandparent's Eliza (nee Hooton) NEWTON and James PLOWRIGHT's > marriage. This was a second marriage for Eliza ...perhaps I am missing something?: > > The 1st marriage of Eliza HOOTON: > > Marriage Certificate: June 11, 1848, John Newton age 25, bachelor, > Rail Road Labourer of Peakirk married Eliza Whitsted Hooton, age 18, > Spinster of Peakirk. Fathers were Abraham Newton, Labourer and Edward > Hooton, Publican, Parish Church of Peakirk, Northampton by Banns. In the presence of Joseph > Spary and Susannah Foot. > > The Birth Certificate for little John Thomas Abraham their son: 21 > April 1850, Elton, John Thomas, Abraham , Boy, Father, John Newton, > Mother, Eliza Newton, formerly Hooton, Labourer, x The mark of Eliza > Newton, mother, Elton, Twenty first May 1850, Registrar. > > 1851 Census taken on 30 March 1851 > Little Worth > Deeping Fen, Deeping St. Nicholas > John Newton, Head, Marr., age 31, ground Keeper, born Elton, Lincs. > Eliza, Wife, Marr., age 21, groundkeeper wife, born Spalding John > Thomas, son, age 11 mo., born Elton. > > And little John Thomas' Death Certificate: 29th March 1854, > Langriville, John Thomas Newton, Male, 3 years, son of John Newton, > Husbandman (Deseased), Accidently drowned in Castle Dike Drain, > Coroner, Boston, 28 April 1854, Registrar. > > So, sometime after the taking of the 1851 census Eliza's husband, > Thomas Newton either dies or is killed as seen on the death > certificate of their son. I have never been able to find a death record for this husband. > > Then, Eliza Hooton Newton has a baby girl, Eliza 1853, out of > wedlock, fathered by James PLOWRIGHT. This child appears to be raised > by The PREISTLEYS at Heckington. > HI Missing Lincs. > > It seems we are back at last ...I've missed you all. > > Speaking of marriages, I haven't been able to find my Great > Grandparent's Eliza (nee Hooton) NEWTON and James PLOWRIGHT's > marriage. This was a second marriage for Eliza ...perhaps I am missing something?: > > The 1st marriage of Eliza HOOTON: > > Marriage Certificate: June 11, 1848, John Newton age 25, bachelor, > Rail Road Labourer of Peakirk married Eliza Whitsted Hooton, age 18, > Spinster of Peakirk. Fathers were Abraham Newton, Labourer and Edward > Hooton, Publican, Parish Church of Peakirk, Northampton by Banns. In the presence of Joseph > Spary and Susannah Foot. > > The Birth Certificate for little John Thomas Abraham their son: 21 > April 1850, Elton, John Thomas, Abraham , Boy, Father, John Newton, > Mother, Eliza Newton, formerly Hooton, Labourer, x The mark of Eliza > Newton, mother, Elton, Twenty first May 1850, Registrar. > > 1851 Census taken on 30 March 1851 > Little Worth > Deeping Fen, Deeping St. Nicholas > John Newton, Head, Marr., age 31, ground Keeper, born Elton, Lincs. > Eliza, Wife, Marr., age 21, groundkeeper wife, born Spalding John > Thomas, son, age 11 mo., born Elton. > > And little John Thomas' Death Certificate: 29th March 1854, > Langriville, John Thomas Newton, Male, 3 years, son of John Newton, > Husbandman (Deseased), Accidently drowned in Castle Dike Drain, > Coroner, Boston, 28 April 1854, Registrar. > > So, sometime after the taking of the 1851 census Eliza's husband, > Thomas Newton either dies or is killed as seen on the death > certificate of their son. I have never been able to find a death record for this husband. > > Then, Eliza Hooton Newton has a baby girl, Eliza 1853, out of > wedlock, fathered by James PLOWRIGHT. This child appears to be raised > by The PREISTLEYS at Heckington. > > Young Eliza's birth certificate says: > July 1, 1853, Eliza, Girl, James Ploughwright, Eliza Ploughwright > formerly Newton, Labourer, X the mark of Eliza Ploughwright Mother > Fishtoft, registered 25 July 1853 > > Young Eliza's baptism: St. Guthlac's, Fishtoft, July 18, 1853, child > Eliza, parents James & Eliza Ploughwright, Fishtoft, > Labourer > > 1861 England Census about Eliza Plowright > Name: Eliza Plowright > Age: 30 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831 > Relation: Wife > Spouse's Name: James Plowright > Gender: Female > Where born: Spalding, Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish: Skirbeck > Ecclesiastical parish: West Fen Chapel > County/Island: Lincolnshire > Country: England > Occupation: Ground keeper wife > Condition as to marriage: married > Registration District: Boston > Sub-registration District: Sibsey > ED, institution, or vessel: 6 > Household Schedule Number: 6 > Piece: 2334 > Folio: 59 > Page Number: 9 > Household Members: > Name & Age > > James Plowright 35 > Eliza Plowright 30 > Fredrick Plowright 5 > Caroline Plowright 3 > > Although I cannot find a marriage, Eliza claims to be James' > (Groundkeeper's > wife) and says they are married on the 1861 census'. > > I am looking for 1. A death record for Eliza's first husband, Thomas > Newton and 2.James Plowright and Eliza (nee Hooton) Newton's marriage. > > Most appreciative of any help or suggestions. > > Thank you > From the west coast of Canada > Linda > > > Hi, Missing Lincs, > > For the next month or so, I want you to find a Lincolnshire lass > who married into one of your trees, and present her to the list. Tell > us what you know about her and ask us what you'd like to know about > her. Let's see if we can give her character and add a few facts to > her heritage. You might be surprised what we can tell you! > > Lou (list admin.) > > > >

If this is indeed the death registration of the correct John Newton and he died in Mar Quarter 1854 then this was after Eliza Hooton Newton had a baby girl, Eliza on July 1, 1853. Terry -----Original Message----- From: Hilary Thomas [mailto:family@mypandas.me.uk] Sent: 24 March 2018 21:41 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Re: death of Thomas NEWTON & Eliza Hooton/NEWTON/PLOWRIGHT 2nd marriage. You stated originally that Eliza married John Newton but then say you are looking for the death of Thomas Newton. If Eliza’s husband was John Newton then there is this death which maybe what you are looking for John Newton died Mar Quarter 1854, Boston Registration district volume 7a page 233. This can be found on Find my past, FreeBMD and the GRO website. Not yet found a marriage for Eliza to James Plowright but will try again. It is possible that they never married but said they were for convention. Hope this helps Regards Hilary Sent from my iPad > On 24 Mar 2018, at 20:27, Linda <vesey@dccnet.com> wrote: > > HI Missing Lincs. > > It seems we are back at last ...I've missed you all. > > Speaking of marriages, I haven't been able to find my Great Grandparent's > Eliza (nee Hooton) NEWTON and James PLOWRIGHT's marriage. This was a second > marriage for Eliza ...perhaps I am missing something?: > > The 1st marriage of Eliza HOOTON: > > Marriage Certificate: June 11, 1848, John Newton age 25, bachelor, Rail Road > Labourer of Peakirk married Eliza Whitsted Hooton, age 18, Spinster of > Peakirk. Fathers were Abraham Newton, Labourer and Edward Hooton, Publican, > Parish Church of Peakirk, Northampton by Banns. In the presence of Joseph > Spary and Susannah Foot. > > The Birth Certificate for little John Thomas Abraham their son: 21 April > 1850, Elton, John Thomas, Abraham , Boy, Father, John Newton, Mother, Eliza > Newton, formerly Hooton, Labourer, x The mark of Eliza Newton, mother, > Elton, Twenty first May 1850, Registrar. > > 1851 Census taken on 30 March 1851 > Little Worth > Deeping Fen, Deeping St. Nicholas > John Newton, Head, Marr., age 31, ground Keeper, born Elton, Lincs. > Eliza, Wife, Marr., age 21, groundkeeper wife, born Spalding > John Thomas, son, age 11 mo., born Elton. > > And little John Thomas' Death Certificate: 29th March 1854, Langriville, > John Thomas Newton, Male, 3 years, son of John Newton, Husbandman > (Deseased), Accidently drowned in Castle Dike Drain, Coroner, Boston, 28 > April 1854, Registrar. > > So, sometime after the taking of the 1851 census Eliza's husband, Thomas > Newton either dies or is killed as seen on the death certificate of their > son. I have never been able to find a death record for this husband. > > Then, Eliza Hooton Newton has a baby girl, Eliza 1853, out of wedlock, > fathered by James PLOWRIGHT. This child appears to be raised by The > PREISTLEYS at Heckington. > HI Missing Lincs. > > It seems we are back at last ...I've missed you all. > > Speaking of marriages, I haven't been able to find my Great Grandparent's > Eliza (nee Hooton) NEWTON and James PLOWRIGHT's marriage. This was a second > marriage for Eliza ...perhaps I am missing something?: > > The 1st marriage of Eliza HOOTON: > > Marriage Certificate: June 11, 1848, John Newton age 25, bachelor, Rail Road > Labourer of Peakirk married Eliza Whitsted Hooton, age 18, Spinster of > Peakirk. Fathers were Abraham Newton, Labourer and Edward Hooton, Publican, > Parish Church of Peakirk, Northampton by Banns. In the presence of Joseph > Spary and Susannah Foot. > > The Birth Certificate for little John Thomas Abraham their son: 21 April > 1850, Elton, John Thomas, Abraham , Boy, Father, John Newton, Mother, Eliza > Newton, formerly Hooton, Labourer, x The mark of Eliza Newton, mother, > Elton, Twenty first May 1850, Registrar. > > 1851 Census taken on 30 March 1851 > Little Worth > Deeping Fen, Deeping St. Nicholas > John Newton, Head, Marr., age 31, ground Keeper, born Elton, Lincs. > Eliza, Wife, Marr., age 21, groundkeeper wife, born Spalding > John Thomas, son, age 11 mo., born Elton. > > And little John Thomas' Death Certificate: 29th March 1854, Langriville, > John Thomas Newton, Male, 3 years, son of John Newton, Husbandman > (Deseased), Accidently drowned in Castle Dike Drain, Coroner, Boston, 28 > April 1854, Registrar. > > So, sometime after the taking of the 1851 census Eliza's husband, Thomas > Newton either dies or is killed as seen on the death certificate of their > son. I have never been able to find a death record for this husband. > > Then, Eliza Hooton Newton has a baby girl, Eliza 1853, out of wedlock, > fathered by James PLOWRIGHT. This child appears to be raised by The > PREISTLEYS at Heckington. > > Young Eliza's birth certificate says: > July 1, 1853, Eliza, Girl, James Ploughwright, Eliza Ploughwright formerly > Newton, Labourer, X the mark of Eliza Ploughwright Mother Fishtoft, > registered 25 July 1853 > > Young Eliza's baptism: St. Guthlac's, Fishtoft, > July 18, 1853, child Eliza, parents James & Eliza Ploughwright, Fishtoft, > Labourer > > 1861 England Census about Eliza Plowright > Name: Eliza Plowright > Age: 30 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831 > Relation: Wife > Spouse's Name: James Plowright > Gender: Female > Where born: Spalding, Lincolnshire, England > Civil Parish: Skirbeck > Ecclesiastical parish: West Fen Chapel > County/Island: Lincolnshire > Country: England > Occupation: Ground keeper wife > Condition as to marriage: married > Registration District: Boston > Sub-registration District: Sibsey > ED, institution, or vessel: 6 > Household Schedule Number: 6 > Piece: 2334 > Folio: 59 > Page Number: 9 > Household Members: > Name & Age > > James Plowright 35 > Eliza Plowright 30 > Fredrick Plowright 5 > Caroline Plowright 3 > > Although I cannot find a marriage, Eliza claims to be James' (Groundkeeper's > wife) and says they are married on the 1861 census'. > > I am looking for 1. A death record for Eliza's first husband, Thomas Newton > and 2.James Plowright and Eliza (nee Hooton) Newton's marriage. > > Most appreciative of any help or suggestions. > > Thank you > From the west coast of Canada > Linda > > > Hi, Missing Lincs, > > For the next month or so, I want you to find a Lincolnshire lass who > married into one of your trees, and present her to the list. Tell us what > you know about her and ask us what you'd like to know about her. Let's see > if we can give her character and add a few facts to her heritage. You might > be surprised what we can tell you! > > Lou (list admin.) > > > >

Hi Linda, You may not be aware that currently you can obtain a PDF certificate for a third of the price of a 'certified copy'. All the relevant details are there, but it comes through an email link for you to download. https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp Oops, should emphasise that you can only order PDF certificates for entries listed in the historical births and death index on the GRO site. Once you've found the entry in the index it's just a case of making sure that you select the type of certificate you want (PDF or certified) and most of the boxes are then automatically filled in for you. Pam On Sat, 24 Mar 2018, 23:15 Linda, <vesey@dccnet.com> wrote: > Hi Hilary > Yes, you are correct. it was John Newton's death I meant. > Sorry for the confusion. > > So you are suggesting > Death of father John Newton Mar Quarter 1854, Boston Registration > district volume 7a page 233. > Death of son John Thomas Newton Jun Quarter 1854 Boston Registration > district 7a page 227. > > That order would work with "father dead" on son's death certificate. > > I should send for John's death certificate and then I might know for sure. > That had to be a terrible time for her. Can't imagine > > I too have thought that they might not have married. James Plowright might > have come along and became her saviour. However, my grandfather Edward, > being the their thirteenth and last child, makes me keep searching. > Thank you > Linda > > > You stated originally that Eliza married John Newton but then say you are > looking for the death of Thomas Newton. > If Eliza’s husband was John Newton then there is this death which maybe > what you are looking for This can be found on Find my past, FreeBMD and the > GRO website.. > > Not yet found a marriage for Eliza to James Plowright but will try again. > It is possible that they never married but said they were for convention. > > Hope this helps > > Regards > Hilary > > > Sent from my iPad > > >

Hi Hilary Yes, you are correct. it was John Newton's death I meant. Sorry for the confusion. So you are suggesting Death of father John Newton Mar Quarter 1854, Boston Registration district volume 7a page 233. Death of son John Thomas Newton Jun Quarter 1854 Boston Registration district 7a page 227. That order would work with "father dead" on son's death certificate. I should send for John's death certificate and then I might know for sure. That had to be a terrible time for her. Can't imagine I too have thought that they might not have married. James Plowright might have come along and became her saviour. However, my grandfather Edward, being the their thirteenth and last child, makes me keep searching. Thank you Linda You stated originally that Eliza married John Newton but then say you are looking for the death of Thomas Newton. If Eliza’s husband was John Newton then there is this death which maybe what you are looking for This can be found on Find my past, FreeBMD and the GRO website.. Not yet found a marriage for Eliza to James Plowright but will try again. It is possible that they never married but said they were for convention. Hope this helps Regards Hilary Sent from my iPad

You stated originally that Eliza married John Newton but then say you are looking for the death of Thomas Newton. If Eliza’s husband was John Newton then there is this death which maybe what you are looking for John Newton died Mar Quarter 1854, Boston Registration district volume 7a page 233. This can be found on Find my past, FreeBMD and the GRO website. Not yet found a marriage for Eliza to James Plowright but will try again. It is possible that they never married but said they were for convention. Hope this helps Regards Hilary Sent from my iPad > On 24 Mar 2018, at 20:27, Linda <vesey@dccnet.com> wrote: > > HI Missing Lincs. > > It seems we are back at last ...I've missed you all. > > Speaking of marriages, I haven't been able to find my Great Grandparent's > Eliza (nee Hooton) NEWTON and James PLOWRIGHT's marriage. This was a second > marriage for Eliza ...perhaps I am missing something?: > > The 1st marriage of Eliza HOOTON: > > Marriage Certificate: June 11, 1848, John Newton age 25, bachelor, Rail Road > Labourer of Peakirk married Eliza Whitsted Hooton, age 18, Spinster of > Peakirk. Fathers were Abraham Newton, Labourer and Edward Hooton, Publican, > Parish Church of Peakirk, Northampton by Banns. In the presence of Joseph > Spary and Susannah Foot. > > The Birth Certificate for little John Thomas Abraham their son: 21 April > 1850, Elton, John Thomas, Abraham , Boy, Father, John Newton, Mother, Eliza > Newton, formerly Hooton, Labourer, x The mark of Eliza Newton, mother, > Elton, Twenty first May 1850, Registrar. > > 1851 Census taken on 30 March 1851 > Little Worth > Deeping Fen, Deeping St. Nicholas > John Newton, Head, Marr., age 31, ground Keeper, born Elton, Lincs. > Eliza, Wife, Marr., age 21, groundkeeper wife, born Spalding > John Thomas, son, age 11 mo., born Elton. > > And little John Thomas' Death Certificate: 29th March 1854, Langriville, > John Thomas Newton, Male, 3 years, son of John Newton, Husbandman > (Deseased), Accidently drowned in Castle Dike Drain, Coroner, Boston, 28 > April 1854, Registrar. > > So, sometime after the taking of the 1851 census Eliza's husband, Thomas > Newton either dies or is killed as seen on the death certificate of their > son. I have never been able to find a death record for this husband. > > Then, Eliza Hooton Newton has a baby girl, Eliza 1853, out of wedlock, > fathered by James PLOWRIGHT. This child appears to be raised by The > PREISTLEYS at Heckington. > HI Missing Lincs. > > It seems we are back at last ...I've missed you all. > > Speaking of marriages, I haven't been able to find my Great Grandparent's > Eliza (nee Hooton) NEWTON and James PLOWRIGHT's marriage. This was a second > marriage for Eliza ...perhaps I am missing something?: > > The 1st marriage of Eliza HOOTON: > > Marriage Certificate: June 11, 1848, John Newton age 25, bachelor, Rail Road > Labourer of Peakirk married Eliza Whitsted Hooton, age 18, Spinster of > Peakirk. Fathers were Abraham Newton, Labourer and Edward Hooton, Publican, > Parish Church of Peakirk, Northampton by Banns. In the presence of Joseph > Spary and Susannah Foot. > > The Birth Certificate for little John Thomas Abraham their son: 21 April > 1850, Elton, John Thomas, Abraham , Boy, Father, John Newton, Mother, Eliza > Newton, formerly Hooton, Labourer, x The mark of Eliza Newton, mother, > Elton, Twenty first May 1850, Registrar. > > 1851 Census taken on 30 March 1851 > Little Worth > Deeping Fen, Deeping St. Nicholas > John Newton, Head, Marr., age 31, ground Keeper, born Elton, Lincs. > Eliza, Wife, Marr., age 21, groundkeeper wife, born Spalding > John Thomas, son, age 11 mo., born Elton. > > And little John Thomas' Death Certificate: 29th March 1854, Langriville, > John Thomas Newton, Male, 3 years, son of John Newton, Husbandman > (Deseased), Accidently drowned in Castle Dike Drain, Coroner, Boston, 28 > April 1854, Registrar. > > So, sometime after the taking of the 1851 census Eliza's husband, Thomas > Newton either dies or is killed as seen on the death certificate of their > son. I have never been able to find a death record for this husband. > > Then, Eliza Hooton Newton has a baby girl, Eliza 1853, out of wedlock, > fathered by James PLOWRIGHT. This child appears to be raised by The > PREISTLEYS at Heckington. > > Young Eliza's birth certificate says: > July 1, 1853, Eliza, Girl, James Ploughwright, Eliza Ploughwright formerly > Newton, Labourer, X the mark of Eliza Ploughwright Mother Fishtoft, > registered 25 July 1853 > > Young Eliza's baptism: St. Guthlac's, Fishtoft, > July 18, 1853, child Eliza, parents James & Eliza Ploughwright, Fishtoft, > Labourer > > 1861 England Census about Eliza Plowright > Name: Eliza Plowright > Age: 30 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831 > Relation: Wife > Spouse's Name: James Plowright > Gender: Female > Where born: Spalding, Lincolnshire, England > Civil Parish: Skirbeck > Ecclesiastical parish: West Fen Chapel > County/Island: Lincolnshire > Country: England > Occupation: Ground keeper wife > Condition as to marriage: married > Registration District: Boston > Sub-registration District: Sibsey > ED, institution, or vessel: 6 > Household Schedule Number: 6 > Piece: 2334 > Folio: 59 > Page Number: 9 > Household Members: > Name & Age > > James Plowright 35 > Eliza Plowright 30 > Fredrick Plowright 5 > Caroline Plowright 3 > > Although I cannot find a marriage, Eliza claims to be James' (Groundkeeper's > wife) and says they are married on the 1861 census'. > > I am looking for 1. A death record for Eliza's first husband, Thomas Newton > and 2.James Plowright and Eliza (nee Hooton) Newton's marriage. > > Most appreciative of any help or suggestions. > > Thank you > From the west coast of Canada > Linda > > > Hi, Missing Lincs, > > For the next month or so, I want you to find a Lincolnshire lass who > married into one of your trees, and present her to the list. Tell us what > you know about her and ask us what you'd like to know about her. Let's see > if we can give her character and add a few facts to her heritage. You might > be surprised what we can tell you! > > Lou (list admin.) > > > >

HI Missing Lincs. It seems we are back at last ...I've missed you all. Speaking of marriages, I haven't been able to find my Great Grandparent's Eliza (nee Hooton) NEWTON and James PLOWRIGHT's marriage. This was a second marriage for Eliza ...perhaps I am missing something?: The 1st marriage of Eliza HOOTON: Marriage Certificate: June 11, 1848, John Newton age 25, bachelor, Rail Road Labourer of Peakirk married Eliza Whitsted Hooton, age 18, Spinster of Peakirk. Fathers were Abraham Newton, Labourer and Edward Hooton, Publican, Parish Church of Peakirk, Northampton by Banns. In the presence of Joseph Spary and Susannah Foot. The Birth Certificate for little John Thomas Abraham their son: 21 April 1850, Elton, John Thomas, Abraham , Boy, Father, John Newton, Mother, Eliza Newton, formerly Hooton, Labourer, x The mark of Eliza Newton, mother, Elton, Twenty first May 1850, Registrar. 1851 Census taken on 30 March 1851 Little Worth Deeping Fen, Deeping St. Nicholas John Newton, Head, Marr., age 31, ground Keeper, born Elton, Lincs. Eliza, Wife, Marr., age 21, groundkeeper wife, born Spalding John Thomas, son, age 11 mo., born Elton. And little John Thomas' Death Certificate: 29th March 1854, Langriville, John Thomas Newton, Male, 3 years, son of John Newton, Husbandman (Deseased), Accidently drowned in Castle Dike Drain, Coroner, Boston, 28 April 1854, Registrar. So, sometime after the taking of the 1851 census Eliza's husband, Thomas Newton either dies or is killed as seen on the death certificate of their son. I have never been able to find a death record for this husband. Then, Eliza Hooton Newton has a baby girl, Eliza 1853, out of wedlock, fathered by James PLOWRIGHT. This child appears to be raised by The PREISTLEYS at Heckington. Young Eliza's birth certificate says: July 1, 1853, Eliza, Girl, James Ploughwright, Eliza Ploughwright formerly Newton, Labourer, X the mark of Eliza Ploughwright Mother Fishtoft, registered 25 July 1853 Young Eliza's baptism: St. Guthlac's, Fishtoft, July 18, 1853, child Eliza, parents James & Eliza Ploughwright, Fishtoft, Labourer 1861 England Census about Eliza Plowright Name: Eliza Plowright Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: James Plowright Gender: Female Where born: Spalding, Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish: Skirbeck Ecclesiastical parish: West Fen Chapel County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Occupation: Ground keeper wife Condition as to marriage: married Registration District: Boston Sub-registration District: Sibsey ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Household Schedule Number: 6 Piece: 2334 Folio: 59 Page Number: 9 Household Members: Name & Age James Plowright 35 Eliza Plowright 30 Fredrick Plowright 5 Caroline Plowright 3 Although I cannot find a marriage, Eliza claims to be James' (Groundkeeper's wife) and says they are married on the 1861 census'. I am looking for 1. A death record for Eliza's first husband, Thomas Newton and 2.James Plowright and Eliza (nee Hooton) Newton's marriage. Most appreciative of any help or suggestions. Thank you From the west coast of Canada Linda Hi, Missing Lincs, For the next month or so, I want you to find a Lincolnshire lass who married into one of your trees, and present her to the list. Tell us what you know about her and ask us what you'd like to know about her. Let's see if we can give her character and add a few facts to her heritage. You might be surprised what we can tell you! Lou (list admin.)

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Hi Anne Yes I also have reservations on Findmypasts transcribing, some complain about Ancestrys but I find FMP almost as bad in places I have reported the problem to them and hopefully it will be rectified in time It does though make you wonder what other data has been missed I too tend to go for the browse function where available I find to many on Findmypast do not allow that But I guess we must be grateful for the access all sites give us these days Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 23-Mar-18 10:27 PM, Anne Cole wrote: > Yes, I did see your reply Nivard. I find the indexing on FMP quite worrying. > Whilst identifying these BTs with no parish names on etc. we use the images > on FMP to verify the identification with the registers where they exist. Of > course I first try the index, and am surprised at how many times the names I > search for do not come up, in spite of the actual register being there. I > now tend to go straight into "browse" mode as it is easier. That is, where > the BT has a date - some don't even have that! > > Anne > > Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society > > Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513

Yes, I did see your reply Nivard. I find the indexing on FMP quite worrying. Whilst identifying these BTs with no parish names on etc. we use the images on FMP to verify the identification with the registers where they exist. Of course I first try the index, and am surprised at how many times the names I search for do not come up, in spite of the actual register being there. I now tend to go straight into "browse" mode as it is easier. That is, where the BT has a date - some don't even have that! Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington [mailto:ovington.one@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 10:52 PM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Re: Spalding marriages on Findmypast missing Hi Anne I have just answered Mick on the same subject I was expecting mixed registers but wasn't expecting them to be as I found them (see my reply to Mick) I will report to Findmypast that they appear to have missed some if not all of that batch in their transcriptions, as those I have checked do not come up in the PRs, they do come up in the Lincs marriages indexes from your own society and from familysearch Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 22-Mar-18 10:46 PM, Anne Cole wrote: > Well, there you are. Some of the post 1754 marriage registers are a > combination of Banns and Marriages. Sometimes the Banns appear > separately from the marriages, sometimes they are part of the marriage > entry, with marriages by licence mixed in and the banns bit not filled in. > > Anne

Good luck  as I said let me know  how you get on. John Get organized with Yahoo Mail On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 at 15:43, JuneM via ENG-LINCSGEN<eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: Many thanks for your suggestions John, I've used quarter sessions and court rolls before in other research, but not memorial documents.  Should help the glass of wine go down a treat tonight! June Sent from my iPad > On 23 Mar 2018, at 15:15, "jlindley41@sky.com" <jlindley41@sky.com> wrote: > > Hi June.  Quarter sessions starred  in 1388 and were abolished  in 1972. It's weather the records still exist got the period you want.  Regards  john > > Get organized with Yahoo Mail > >  On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 at 15:10, jlindley41@sky.com<jlindley41@sky.com> wrote:  Hi June.  If there  are any court rolls or memorial documents. Also find out if there are any  court left documents.  I found court rolls very useful but not all places have court  rolls  that still exist same for court  left records. Courts were held by the Lord of the manor  every month or longer periods. These  documents of they if they still exist  can be useful. Check also if the quarter sessions  existed at that period. Hope this  helps. Let me know how you get on Regards  John > > Get organized with Yahoo Mail > >  On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 at 14:52, JuneM via ENG-LINCSGEN<eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote:  On 22nd October 1603 my 10th  Gt Grandfather Richard Jackson married Dorothy Whittle (bapt 14th May 1578 Louth St. James) at Gainsbrough All Saints.  Between 1604 and 1624 they had 12 children, their first being Gilbert, my 9th G G/F, born in Gainsbrough.  At the end of her life, Dorothy was not buried with her husband, but at Blyton on the 7th of September 1632.  The entry in the parish registers reads simply 'September 7th Dorothy Jackson, a silly old woman buried'.  I would guess that Dorothy would have been suffering from some form of dementia or mental illness, but the entry still saddens me each time I re-visit it.  Does anyone know of any way that I can find more information about her circumstances from so long ago? > > Sent from my iPad > > >  > > >

Hi Bridget, I am Barry Wilson, there used to be Norman and Betty Draper, that lived on Holme Drive Sudbrooke, when we lived there 10 years or so ago, but if they are still there i have no idea, but it is a start/clue for you to maybe follow up.. Barry Wilson ( Bazza ) On 23 March 2018 at 01:01, bridget wilkinson <lincsimp@bigpond.com> wrote: > Gday ANY DRAPERS IN LINCOLN NOW BRIDGET > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-lincsgen-request@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-lincsgen-request@rootsweb.com] > Sent: Friday, 23 March 2018 9:17 AM > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: ENG-LINCSGEN Digest, Vol 13, Issue 26 > > Send ENG-LINCSGEN mailing list submissions to > eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > eng-lincsgen-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > eng-lincsgen-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of ENG-LINCSGEN digest..." > > >

Many thanks for your suggestions John, I've used quarter sessions and court rolls before in other research, but not memorial documents. Should help the glass of wine go down a treat tonight! June Sent from my iPad > On 23 Mar 2018, at 15:15, "jlindley41@sky.com" <jlindley41@sky.com> wrote: > > Hi June. Quarter sessions starred in 1388 and were abolished in 1972. It's weather the records still exist got the period you want. Regards john > > Get organized with Yahoo Mail > > On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 at 15:10, jlindley41@sky.com<jlindley41@sky.com> wrote: Hi June. If there are any court rolls or memorial documents. Also find out if there are any court left documents. I found court rolls very useful but not all places have court rolls that still exist same for court left records. Courts were held by the Lord of the manor every month or longer periods. These documents of they if they still exist can be useful. Check also if the quarter sessions existed at that period. Hope this helps. Let me know how you get on Regards John > > Get organized with Yahoo Mail > > On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 at 14:52, JuneM via ENG-LINCSGEN<eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: On 22nd October 1603 my 10th Gt Grandfather Richard Jackson married Dorothy Whittle (bapt 14th May 1578 Louth St. James) at Gainsbrough All Saints. Between 1604 and 1624 they had 12 children, their first being Gilbert, my 9th G G/F, born in Gainsbrough. At the end of her life, Dorothy was not buried with her husband, but at Blyton on the 7th of September 1632. The entry in the parish registers reads simply 'September 7th Dorothy Jackson, a silly old woman buried'. I would guess that Dorothy would have been suffering from some form of dementia or mental illness, but the entry still saddens me each time I re-visit it. Does anyone know of any way that I can find more information about her circumstances from so long ago? > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > >

Hi June.  Quarter sessions starred  in 1388 and were abolished  in 1972. It's weather the records still exist got the period you want.  Regards  john Get organized with Yahoo Mail On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 at 15:10, jlindley41@sky.com<jlindley41@sky.com> wrote: Hi June.  If there  are any court rolls or memorial documents. Also find out if there are any  court left documents.  I found court rolls very useful but not all places have court  rolls  that still exist same for court  left records. Courts were held by the Lord of the manor  every month or longer periods. These  documents of they if they still exist  can be useful. Check also if the quarter sessions  existed at that period. Hope this  helps. Let me know how you get on Regards  John Get organized with Yahoo Mail   On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 at 14:52, JuneM via ENG-LINCSGEN<eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote:  On 22nd October 1603 my 10th  Gt Grandfather Richard Jackson married Dorothy Whittle (bapt 14th May 1578 Louth St. James) at Gainsbrough All Saints.  Between 1604 and 1624 they had 12 children, their first being Gilbert, my 9th G G/F, born in Gainsbrough.  At the end of her life, Dorothy was not buried with her husband, but at Blyton on the 7th of September 1632.  The entry in the parish registers reads simply 'September 7th Dorothy Jackson, a silly old woman buried'.  I would guess that Dorothy would have been suffering from some form of dementia or mental illness, but the entry still saddens me each time I re-visit it.  Does anyone know of any way that I can find more information about her circumstances from so long ago? Sent from my iPad  

Hi June.  If there  are any court rolls or memorial documents. Also find out if there are any  court left documents.  I found court rolls very useful but not all places have court  rolls  that still exist same for court  left records. Courts were held by the Lord of the manor  every month or longer periods. These  documents of they if they still exist  can be useful. Check also if the quarter sessions  existed at that period. Hope this  helps. Let me know how you get on Regards  John Get organized with Yahoo Mail On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 at 14:52, JuneM via ENG-LINCSGEN<eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: On 22nd October 1603 my 10th  Gt Grandfather Richard Jackson married Dorothy Whittle (bapt 14th May 1578 Louth St. James) at Gainsbrough All Saints.  Between 1604 and 1624 they had 12 children, their first being Gilbert, my 9th G G/F, born in Gainsbrough.  At the end of her life, Dorothy was not buried with her husband, but at Blyton on the 7th of September 1632.  The entry in the parish registers reads simply 'September 7th Dorothy Jackson, a silly old woman buried'.  I would guess that Dorothy would have been suffering from some form of dementia or mental illness, but the entry still saddens me each time I re-visit it.  Does anyone know of any way that I can find more information about her circumstances from so long ago? Sent from my iPad

On 22nd October 1603 my 10th Gt Grandfather Richard Jackson married Dorothy Whittle (bapt 14th May 1578 Louth St. James) at Gainsbrough All Saints. Between 1604 and 1624 they had 12 children, their first being Gilbert, my 9th G G/F, born in Gainsbrough. At the end of her life, Dorothy was not buried with her husband, but at Blyton on the 7th of September 1632. The entry in the parish registers reads simply 'September 7th Dorothy Jackson, a silly old woman buried'. I would guess that Dorothy would have been suffering from some form of dementia or mental illness, but the entry still saddens me each time I re-visit it. Does anyone know of any way that I can find more information about her circumstances from so long ago? Sent from my iPad

Gday ANY DRAPERS IN LINCOLN NOW BRIDGET -----Original Message----- From: eng-lincsgen-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lincsgen-request@rootsweb.com] Sent: Friday, 23 March 2018 9:17 AM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: ENG-LINCSGEN Digest, Vol 13, Issue 26 Send ENG-LINCSGEN mailing list submissions to eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to eng-lincsgen-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at eng-lincsgen-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of ENG-LINCSGEN digest..."

Hi Anne I have just answered Mick on the same subject I was expecting mixed registers but wasn't expecting them to be as I found them (see my reply to Mick) I will report to Findmypast that they appear to have missed some if not all of that batch in their transcriptions, as those I have checked do not come up in the PRs, they do come up in the Lincs marriages indexes from your own society and from familysearch Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 22-Mar-18 10:46 PM, Anne Cole wrote: > Well, there you are. Some of the post 1754 marriage registers are a > combination of Banns and Marriages. Sometimes the Banns appear separately > from the marriages, sometimes they are part of the marriage entry, with > marriages by licence mixed in and the banns bit not filled in. > > Anne

Hi Mick You are correct ! Various things threw me I have been roaming through many of the batches in the hope they were wrongly labelled but unfortunately chose the earlier and later batches first :-( What threw me with the 1796 to 1804 batch initially is that they start in 1786 but the last page is 1787, I should have realised the number of pages didn't tally but wrongly thought there may be burials or baptisms in amongst them as it was a pre 1812 register Having been through page by page these are the sequence of events / pages Banns & Marriages 180 (pages) 1782-1804 Spalding St Mary St Nicolas Marriages (page 1 of 180) start 22nd Nov 1786 and end 29th Nov 1804 (page 81 of 180) Banns (page 83 of 180) 20th Jul 1782 to 18th Nov 1804 (page 157 of 180) Marriages (page 158 of 180) 1782 to last entry 30th Jan 1787 To add further insult to injury the banns for my g.g.g.grandparents isn't recorded ! Although the marriage I was looking for is, so that one thing resolved It appears that although the marriage records are there, they are not transcribed or linked to the images, which is why it looked as if Findmypast didn't have them at first Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 22-Mar-18 9:44 PM, Mick Claxton via ENG-LINCSGEN wrote: > Hi Nivard. > They are on FMP under Banns and Marriages 1786-1804. > > Mick > > >

Well, there you are. Some of the post 1754 marriage registers are a combination of Banns and Marriages. Sometimes the Banns appear separately from the marriages, sometimes they are part of the marriage entry, with marriages by licence mixed in and the banns bit not filled in. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington [mailto:ovington.one@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 9:35 PM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Re: Spalding marriages on Findmypast missing Hi Anne The marriage that raised my attention level was in 1804 On checking Findmypast there are a large swathe of marriages missing from the Lincolnshire PRs for Spalding (roughly 1770 to 1804) As they are on Lincstothepast, which I assume are from the County records office, and who also supplied the records to Findmypast I wondered why they were not available on Findmypast also So far they are unable to explain the missing records Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 22-Mar-18 5:33 PM, Anne Cole wrote: > As Fiona says. Also, some registers were deposited after the filming of them had stopped so won't be on-line or available on microfiche at all. These can only be seen at Lincolnshire Archives. Likewise, any registers that are still in the parish will not be on-line. Volunteers from the Society have been going out to parishes and photographing many registers that have not been deposited at the Archives for our 1813-37 baptism project. We are giving copies of the photographs to the Archives so they should be available there, and of course they will also be included in our indexes when they are published. The first one, covering the four Deaneries in the Parts of Holland (Holland East and West, East and West Elloe) should be published in May this year. > > Many BTs are missing and so are not on family search. We have identified many BTs now (over 600) that were in the "unidentified" scrap books and are gradually publishing these on the Members Only area of the LFHS website. A lot of these BTs are for parishes for which the registers are deficient or missing, so they will be the only place where the entries they contain may be found. > > If you are looking for marriages post 1837 please use the free post 1837 marriage index - the address is below in my signature lines. We have now completed several registration districts up to 1911. Updates to the post 1837 index are regularly sent to the LFHS Facebook page, and I did try to send the most recent one here but it didn't arrive. I will try again. > > Anne > > Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society