On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 9:55 AM J PEPPERDINE via ENG-LINCSGEN < eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > The only variation I have heard form locals is to extend the vowels, as > "La wuth". Elizabeth Davies > > > > I was born in Lincoln and thought I knew that Louth is pronounced to rhyme > with South. Obviously Lowth is the kind of variant you would expect when > the name became a surname. > > I know that Americans pronounce Ceylon as Saylon and Chile as Cheelay but > I was a little surprised to hear an America speaking about Robert Lowth. > (He was a bishop of Oxford who also wrote books about English grammar was > born in Hampshire 1710 and is buried in London 1787). I was surprised to > hear his name pronounced to rhyme with sloth. Surely I thought if this is > how it is pronounced there would be surname variants Loth or Loath. > Checking on Ancestry I find there are such variants, although Reaney makes > no mention of them. This change in pronunciation must have happened away > from Lincolnshire. But clearly some have returned to Lincolnshire. Or do > some people in Lincolnshire pronounce the place name Louth differently? > > John Pepperdine > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/Waddingham Some church (and other) info here re WaddingHAM Terry (from WaddingTON) -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 9/5/18, Rosemary Gall <rosemary.gall@gmail.com> wrote: Subject: [LIN] Is anyone researching the GALL(Gaul, Galle etc) family? To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, 9 May, 2018, 7:50 Hello everyone, As far as I can work out my Galls came originally for the north of Lincolnshire (Parts of Lindsay). Francis Gall (possibly born East Halton 1686 tbc) married Elisabeth Backhouse (Baccus) in St Maurice church, Horkstow in 1723/4. Died 1762 (a farmer) in Claxby by Market Rasen. Their son Charles born circa 1732, baptised in 1735 in Claxby by Market Rasen, married Eleanor Garniss in Great Coates in 1756, a blacksmith and parish clerk in Claxby when wife died in 1816. Charles died 1820. Charles and Eleanor had six children. Approx birth/ accurate baptism dates and places are Charles b.1757 in Great Coates, Francis b. 1759 Waddingham, Mary b. 1760 Waddingham, Joseph b.1764 Waddingham, Matthew b. 1766 Waddingham,Thomas b. 1769 b. 1769 Caenby. Question. Why are so many children christened in Waddingham and not Claxby by Market Rasen? I suppose it’s possible the family lived in Waddingham for those years. However Charles was born in Claxby, and buried in Claxby in 1820, age stated as 88. When his wife “Ellen” died in Claxby in 1816 her burial record noted she was “ wife of Charles Gall, Parish Clerk” When I looked for information about Waddingham St Peter and St Mary at this site stmaryandstpeter.webs.com/Waddington the author Brenda Coulson indicated that the church around this time may have been in ruins.. Joseph, an ag lab in the 1841 census, is my great x 4 grandfather. He married Mildred Dennis(Dinnis) in Bardney in 1799, died in 1848, burial record for Bardney says age 87 so open minded about birth year. I’m a descendant of their son Thomas, born 1803 Bardney, died 1893 in Hampstead. Thomas married Margaret Brack in 1830 in London. Margaret died in 1841, sadly before the 1851 census so I have no idea where she is from. There are lots of Brack families in Durham/ Northumberland, and Scotland, but nothing I can prove. Thomas remarried, a Lincolnshire woman, Ann Lister, born Kirton in Holland in about 1798. Thomas Gall was a male servant, then lodging house keeper in Windmill Hill, Hampstead for most of his life. Their eldest son William Watson Gall, my great x2 grandfather migrated to Adelaide South Australia, abt 1849, as did two of his three brothers in the 1850’s. My father, also Thomas Gall, is now in his 90’s. I am trying to put something together for him and would appreciate any suggestions the group might have regarding Galls in particular, but also associated families. Kind regards, Rosie Rosemary Gall Queensland, Australia Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
I was born in Lincoln and thought I knew that Louth is pronounced to rhyme with South. Obviously Lowth is the kind of variant you would expect when the name became a surname. I know that Americans pronounce Ceylon as Saylon and Chile as Cheelay but I was a little surprised to hear an America speaking about Robert Lowth. (He was a bishop of Oxford who also wrote books about English grammar was born in Hampshire 1710 and is buried in London 1787). I was surprised to hear his name pronounced to rhyme with sloth. Surely I thought if this is how it is pronounced there would be surname variants Loth or Loath. Checking on Ancestry I find there are such variants, although Reaney makes no mention of them. This change in pronunciation must have happened away from Lincolnshire. But clearly some have returned to Lincolnshire. Or do some people in Lincolnshire pronounce the place name Louth differently? John Pepperdine
Just a quick note. Waddingham and Waddington are two different villages -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 9/5/18, Rosemary Gall <rosemary.gall@gmail.com> wrote: Subject: [LIN] Is anyone researching the GALL(Gaul, Galle etc) family? To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, 9 May, 2018, 7:50 Hello everyone, As far as I can work out my Galls came originally for the north of Lincolnshire (Parts of Lindsay). Francis Gall (possibly born East Halton 1686 tbc) married Elisabeth Backhouse (Baccus) in St Maurice church, Horkstow in 1723/4. Died 1762 (a farmer) in Claxby by Market Rasen. Their son Charles born circa 1732, baptised in 1735 in Claxby by Market Rasen, married Eleanor Garniss in Great Coates in 1756, a blacksmith and parish clerk in Claxby when wife died in 1816. Charles died 1820. Charles and Eleanor had six children. Approx birth/ accurate baptism dates and places are Charles b.1757 in Great Coates, Francis b. 1759 Waddingham, Mary b. 1760 Waddingham, Joseph b.1764 Waddingham, Matthew b. 1766 Waddingham,Thomas b. 1769 b. 1769 Caenby. Question. Why are so many children christened in Waddingham and not Claxby by Market Rasen? I suppose it’s possible the family lived in Waddingham for those years. However Charles was born in Claxby, and buried in Claxby in 1820, age stated as 88. When his wife “Ellen” died in Claxby in 1816 her burial record noted she was “ wife of Charles Gall, Parish Clerk” When I looked for information about Waddingham St Peter and St Mary at this site stmaryandstpeter.webs.com/Waddington the author Brenda Coulson indicated that the church around this time may have been in ruins.. Joseph, an ag lab in the 1841 census, is my great x 4 grandfather. He married Mildred Dennis(Dinnis) in Bardney in 1799, died in 1848, burial record for Bardney says age 87 so open minded about birth year. I’m a descendant of their son Thomas, born 1803 Bardney, died 1893 in Hampstead. Thomas married Margaret Brack in 1830 in London. Margaret died in 1841, sadly before the 1851 census so I have no idea where she is from. There are lots of Brack families in Durham/ Northumberland, and Scotland, but nothing I can prove. Thomas remarried, a Lincolnshire woman, Ann Lister, born Kirton in Holland in about 1798. Thomas Gall was a male servant, then lodging house keeper in Windmill Hill, Hampstead for most of his life. Their eldest son William Watson Gall, my great x2 grandfather migrated to Adelaide South Australia, abt 1849, as did two of his three brothers in the 1850’s. My father, also Thomas Gall, is now in his 90’s. I am trying to put something together for him and would appreciate any suggestions the group might have regarding Galls in particular, but also associated families. Kind regards, Rosie Rosemary Gall Queensland, Australia Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
Hello everyone, As far as I can work out my Galls came originally for the north of Lincolnshire (Parts of Lindsay). Francis Gall (possibly born East Halton 1686 tbc) married Elisabeth Backhouse (Baccus) in St Maurice church, Horkstow in 1723/4. Died 1762 (a farmer) in Claxby by Market Rasen. Their son Charles born circa 1732, baptised in 1735 in Claxby by Market Rasen, married Eleanor Garniss in Great Coates in 1756, a blacksmith and parish clerk in Claxby when wife died in 1816. Charles died 1820. Charles and Eleanor had six children. Approx birth/ accurate baptism dates and places are Charles b.1757 in Great Coates, Francis b. 1759 Waddingham, Mary b. 1760 Waddingham, Joseph b.1764 Waddingham, Matthew b. 1766 Waddingham,Thomas b. 1769 b. 1769 Caenby. Question. Why are so many children christened in Waddingham and not Claxby by Market Rasen? I suppose it’s possible the family lived in Waddingham for those years. However Charles was born in Claxby, and buried in Claxby in 1820, age stated as 88. When his wife “Ellen” died in Claxby in 1816 her burial record noted she was “ wife of Charles Gall, Parish Clerk” When I looked for information about Waddingham St Peter and St Mary at this site stmaryandstpeter.webs.com/Waddington the author Brenda Coulson indicated that the church around this time may have been in ruins.. Joseph, an ag lab in the 1841 census, is my great x 4 grandfather. He married Mildred Dennis(Dinnis) in Bardney in 1799, died in 1848, burial record for Bardney says age 87 so open minded about birth year. I’m a descendant of their son Thomas, born 1803 Bardney, died 1893 in Hampstead. Thomas married Margaret Brack in 1830 in London. Margaret died in 1841, sadly before the 1851 census so I have no idea where she is from. There are lots of Brack families in Durham/ Northumberland, and Scotland, but nothing I can prove. Thomas remarried, a Lincolnshire woman, Ann Lister, born Kirton in Holland in about 1798. Thomas Gall was a male servant, then lodging house keeper in Windmill Hill, Hampstead for most of his life. Their eldest son William Watson Gall, my great x2 grandfather migrated to Adelaide South Australia, abt 1849, as did two of his three brothers in the 1850’s. My father, also Thomas Gall, is now in his 90’s. I am trying to put something together for him and would appreciate any suggestions the group might have regarding Galls in particular, but also associated families. Kind regards, Rosie Rosemary Gall Queensland, Australia Sent from my iPhone
Thank you Pam. It seems to be a needle in the haystack situation. -----Original Message----- From: Pam Downes [mailto:pamdee113@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2018 11:45 PM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Re: Air force records Hi Joan, To the best of my knowledge you won't find any information in a format similar to Flt Lt Joe Boggs, 1 Aug 1950 - 7 Mar 1954 Aircraftman Fred Smith 10 Feb 1951 - 21 Sep 1953 anywhere online. It might (with a very big might) exist in The National Archives at Kew. There used to be Air Force Lists but I don't know if they were published after WW2, and they only listed officers. Examples http://digital.nls.uk/british-military-lists/archive/97343434 Service records for personnel who served after 1921 are still held by the Ministry of Defence. If the serviceman or woman is deceased, relatives (and non-relatives) can apply for the records but there are criteria to be met, money to be paid, and if the person has been dead for less than twenty-five years then only basic information will be released. https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/requests-for-personal-data-and-service-records There are 5 different sets of forms depending on which service your ancestor served in; Royal Navy, Royal Marines, British Army, Royal Air Force and Home Guard. You need to first fill out form V6 for either Next of Kin or General Enquiry depending on your circumstances. These require you to identify yourself, where you live and with the Next of Kin form identify how you are related to the serviceman or woman. The second form required is labelled part 2 and is dependent on the Armed Service your ancestor served in. This is where you must provide all of the information you currently have on the ancestor you are searching for and what information you would like to receive. The more you can give the MOD at this point, the more likely it is they will pick up your request and also eases the time taken to find the record. You will need a copy of the death cert. You will also need to pay a £30.00, non-refundable fee. It can take several months for the information to be found. Their site has been updated, and now says that the spouse or civil partner of a deceased service person does not have to pay the fee. If there is no spouse or partner, a parent can order the records without paying. If the serviceman/woman is alive, only they can apply, but the copy is free. Pam Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ On 30 April 2018 at 03:33, Joan Van Daalen <jvandaal@sympatico.ca> wrote: > Can anyone guide me to where records of Air Force personnel stationed at > Manby in the early 1950s might be available? On-line of course. > > > > Thanks Joan > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ > eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ > eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
I have a few Lammings in Nettleton They go back from Mary Laming marrying Peter Grantham on 12 Jan 1730/31 Her father is John Lammin Best wishes Pauline
Hi Joan Pam seems to have covered all bases necessary but just to confirm you will not find any Air Force records online or indeed available to the general public, you would need to apply as described by Pam If he was an officer and promoted at some point, its likely to be in the Gazettes (online for free) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 30-Apr-18 3:33 AM, Joan Van Daalen wrote: > Can anyone guide me to where records of Air Force personnel stationed at > Manby in the early 1950s might be available? On-line of course. > > > > Thanks Joan
Hi, Let’s add to the LAMMING thread. I have just one, Harold LAMMING born circa 1891. He was, according to word of mouth, the only son of the owners of Pinchbeck Manor. Harold married Caroline Marshall LONG (Known as Kitty) in March 1915 at Glanford Brigg. Harold was a farmer and died in Wakefield in the June quarter of 1935. They didn’t have any children. Richard Brown Bromley, Kent U.K. Member of: - E. Surrey Family History Society ) And in http://www.eastsurreyfhs.org.uk/ <http://www.eastsurreyfhs.org.uk/> ) very Lincolnshire Family History Society ) good http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ <http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/> ) company. > On 27 Apr 2018, at 13:45, Alan R Moorhouse via ENG-LINCSGEN <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > I have connections to the North Thoresby LAMMING family - and can offer a few updates, and couple of corrections. Ancestry have had transcribing the surname and Joseph and Ellen were LANNING in 1861 and TAMMING in 1871! > > The father of Joseph is Martin Walkerley LAMMING son of Edward and Susanna (nee WALKERLEY) LAMMING. > I can't > >
Hi Joan, To the best of my knowledge you won't find any information in a format similar to Flt Lt Joe Boggs, 1 Aug 1950 - 7 Mar 1954 Aircraftman Fred Smith 10 Feb 1951 - 21 Sep 1953 anywhere online. It might (with a very big might) exist in The National Archives at Kew. There used to be Air Force Lists but I don't know if they were published after WW2, and they only listed officers. Examples http://digital.nls.uk/british-military-lists/archive/97343434 Service records for personnel who served after 1921 are still held by the Ministry of Defence. If the serviceman or woman is deceased, relatives (and non-relatives) can apply for the records but there are criteria to be met, money to be paid, and if the person has been dead for less than twenty-five years then only basic information will be released. https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/requests-for-personal-data-and-service-records There are 5 different sets of forms depending on which service your ancestor served in; Royal Navy, Royal Marines, British Army, Royal Air Force and Home Guard. You need to first fill out form V6 for either Next of Kin or General Enquiry depending on your circumstances. These require you to identify yourself, where you live and with the Next of Kin form identify how you are related to the serviceman or woman. The second form required is labelled part 2 and is dependent on the Armed Service your ancestor served in. This is where you must provide all of the information you currently have on the ancestor you are searching for and what information you would like to receive. The more you can give the MOD at this point, the more likely it is they will pick up your request and also eases the time taken to find the record. You will need a copy of the death cert. You will also need to pay a £30.00, non-refundable fee. It can take several months for the information to be found. Their site has been updated, and now says that the spouse or civil partner of a deceased service person does not have to pay the fee. If there is no spouse or partner, a parent can order the records without paying. If the serviceman/woman is alive, only they can apply, but the copy is free. Pam Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ On 30 April 2018 at 03:33, Joan Van Daalen <jvandaal@sympatico.ca> wrote: > Can anyone guide me to where records of Air Force personnel stationed at > Manby in the early 1950s might be available? On-line of course. > > > > Thanks Joan > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ > eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ > eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > >
Can anyone guide me to where records of Air Force personnel stationed at Manby in the early 1950s might be available? On-line of course. Thanks Joan
There was an inquiry on the list recently on the above name. I have been away for a time and didn't answer it in a timely manner. Now I have my massive binder out on my desk and can possibly help. Would the lister like to repeat the inquiry? I'll do my best to answer, assuming that I can. Joan in Elora, Canada
Hi Nivard With great reluctance I have set up an account, as there seems to be no other way of unsubscribing and resubscribing with a new email address. However I did not find it that easy, as the guidance in the help section did not correspond to the actual layout of the web page that I was faced with and I went round and round in circles until I happened on the way into my account. It is done now though and I have taken your advice to run both accounts until I am sure that all is working well. Looking forward to continuing to post to the list whenever I have something useful to contribute. Lesley Aveyron, France -------- Original Message -------- From: eng-lincsgen-request@rootsweb.com Sent: 27 April 2018 08:49:57 CEST To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: ENG-LINCSGEN Digest, Vol 13, Issue 47 Send ENG-LINCSGEN mailing list submissions to eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to eng-lincsgen-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at eng-lincsgen-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of ENG-LINCSGEN digest..."
Hi, Let’s add to the LAMMING thread. I have just one, Harold LAMMING born circa 1891. He was, according to word of mouth, the only son of the owners of Pinchbeck Manor. Harold married Caroline Marshall LONG (Known as Kitty) in March 1915 at Glanford Brigg. Harold was a farmer and died in Wakefield in the June quarter of 1935. They didn’t have any children. Richard Brown Bromley, Kent U.K. Member of: - E. Surrey Family History Society ) And in http://www.eastsurreyfhs.org.uk/ ) very Lincolnshire Family History Society ) good http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ ) company. > On 28 Apr 2018, at 00:45, Kathryne Natale via ENG-LINCSGEN <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > I have a Lincolnshire LAMMING (5th great gm), but way further back. Frances LAMMING b 1768 married John WILKINSON 14 March 1791 St Gabriel's , Binbrook. She died 1830 in Kirmond le Mire. They had eight children in Hawerby Cum Beesby. > > > > > > Kathryne Natale > momnat@aol.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan R Moorhouse via ENG-LINCSGEN <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> > To: eng-lincsgen <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> > Cc: Alan R Moorhouse <alan.moorhouse@btinternet.com> > Sent: Fri, Apr 27, 2018 8:46 am > Subject: [LIN] Re: Joseph LAMMING > > I have connections to the North Thoresby LAMMING family - and can offer a few updates, and couple of corrections. Ancestry have had transcribing the surname and Joseph and Ellen were LANNING in 1861 and TAMMING in 1871! > > The father of Joseph is Martin Walkerley LAMMING son of Edward and Susanna (nee WALKERLEY) LAMMING. > I can't > Martin Walkerley LAMMING died Jun q 1881Louth RD age 60 (and not 1883 - so was deceased when son Joseph married in 1882 which could explain why his name was left off the marriage certificate). > > Ellen LAMMING (presumably wife of Joseph) died Jun q 1898 Grimsby RD age 39. > > 1901 census - he is Joe not Joseph LAMMING. > > In 1891 Joseph and Ellen had 3 children (William H 8, Ralph 4 and Emily E 2) and in 1901 Joe and Elsie had those 3 (Harry 18, Ralph 14 and Emily 12), along with a further 2 (Edith 9 and Fred 6). 1n 1911 Joseph is at Langton with married daughter Emily Ellen age 22; Joseph is described as married suggesting that his wife is still alive - but like you find Elise (or Emma) in 1911 - or an obvious death; similarly I've not found the 2 younger children Edith or Fred. > > There is a marriage of Emma Burton JOHNSON Jun q 1878 Dewsbury RD with a possible spouse Joe OLDROYD - this marriage is at Mirfield 11.5.1878, Emma is 23 and her father is Benjamin JOHNSON. > > My other North Thoresby surname interests are ATKINSON, COTTON, WALKERLEY, PICKARD - but it is quite some time since I last researched this part of my family tree! > > Alan Moorhouse > Stroud > > -----Original Message----- > From: L&CE Mackrill <mambo_moggie1@bigpond.com> > Sent: 27 April 2018 11:59 > To: Eng-Lincsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LIN] Joseph LAMMING > > Thanks all. > > Further to what I asked earlier. > > My great aunt Ellen MACKRILL married Joseph LAMMING 15 May 1882 in North Thoresby, Lincolnshire. Joseph’s father on the marriage extract is blank and struck through. Could this mean he was deceased? > > I have Joseph through the census with father Martin and mother Frances. > Martin LAMMING, Joseph’s father died 1883. > > Ellen LAMMING ( MACKRILL) was buried West Ravendale 6 April 1898. > > 1901 census, Joseph (head) and Elsie (wife) LAMMING, living in North Thoresby. Elsie aged 51, born Wakefield, Yorkshire. (birth year 1850) > > There is a marriage in FreeBMD for a Joe LAMMING and Emma OLDROYD Jun 1899. > > Anne Coles Louth marriage transcriptions has this marriage 17 June 1899 of Joe LAMMING, father Martin to Emma OLDROYD (widow) father Richard JOHNSON in the parish of Waithe, ( a stones throw from North Thoresby) > > 1911 census, Joseph LAMMING is living with one of his daughters and son in law, enumerated as married. His wife Elsie from the 1901 census is not present and I cannot find her in the 1911 census. > > I am trying to establish if Joseph’s wife Elsie (1901 census) and Emma (marriage transcriptions) are the same person. > > Thanks, > > Leonard > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebprefUnsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >
Hello Alan, thanks for the reply. Had a late night with Emma and have found her to be Emma JOHNSON, father Richard, mother Sarah. In the 1851 census she is living in Sandal (sic), Yorkshire aged 4 with her birthplace Sandal. Birthplace changes to Ossett, Yorkshire in the 1881 census then Wakefield, Yorkshire in 1891. She married Eli JOHNSON Mar q 1866 Wakefield 9c 71. Eli died Dec q 1892 Bradford 9b 29. I have yet to find Emma in the 1911 census or her death. Edith married Ernest Herbert HAILEY in Mar q 1913 and died Jun q 1972 Fred died 1 Jun 1917 at his 1911 census address. (FreeREG) There is another daughter Annice Marie born 4 Sep 1897 and bap 10 oct 1897 East Ravendale. She married Albert Edward HOPKINSON 17 May 1920 and died 1987. I have a group photo of Joseph c 1900 with probably Emma and Fred with four unknown females. I could email it privately if you could give me your email. I would love to have them identified. I have all the Emma Burton JOHNSON census as I went wrongly down that track. Regards, Leonard On 27-Apr-18 10:45 PM, Alan R Moorhouse via ENG-LINCSGEN wrote: > I have connections to the North Thoresby LAMMING family - and can offer a few updates, and couple of corrections. Ancestry have had transcribing the surname and Joseph and Ellen were LANNING in 1861 and TAMMING in 1871! > > The father of Joseph is Martin Walkerley LAMMING son of Edward and Susanna (nee WALKERLEY) LAMMING. > I can't > Martin Walkerley LAMMING died Jun q 1881Louth RD age 60 (and not 1883 - so was deceased when son Joseph married in 1882 which could explain why his name was left off the marriage certificate). > > Ellen LAMMING (presumably wife of Joseph) died Jun q 1898 Grimsby RD age 39. > > 1901 census - he is Joe not Joseph LAMMING. > > In 1891 Joseph and Ellen had 3 children (William H 8, Ralph 4 and Emily E 2) and in 1901 Joe and Elsie had those 3 (Harry 18, Ralph 14 and Emily 12), along with a further 2 (Edith 9 and Fred 6). 1n 1911 Joseph is at Langton with married daughter Emily Ellen age 22; Joseph is described as married suggesting that his wife is still alive - but like you find Elise (or Emma) in 1911 - or an obvious death; similarly I've not found the 2 younger children Edith or Fred. > > There is a marriage of Emma Burton JOHNSON Jun q 1878 Dewsbury RD with a possible spouse Joe OLDROYD - this marriage is at Mirfield 11.5.1878, Emma is 23 and her father is Benjamin JOHNSON. > > My other North Thoresby surname interests are ATKINSON, COTTON, WALKERLEY, PICKARD - but it is quite some time since I last researched this part of my family tree! > > Alan Moorhouse > Stroud
I have a Lincolnshire LAMMING (5th great gm), but way further back. Frances LAMMING b 1768 married John WILKINSON 14 March 1791 St Gabriel's , Binbrook. She died 1830 in Kirmond le Mire. They had eight children in Hawerby Cum Beesby. Kathryne Natale momnat@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Alan R Moorhouse via ENG-LINCSGEN <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> To: eng-lincsgen <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Cc: Alan R Moorhouse <alan.moorhouse@btinternet.com> Sent: Fri, Apr 27, 2018 8:46 am Subject: [LIN] Re: Joseph LAMMING I have connections to the North Thoresby LAMMING family - and can offer a few updates, and couple of corrections. Ancestry have had transcribing the surname and Joseph and Ellen were LANNING in 1861 and TAMMING in 1871! The father of Joseph is Martin Walkerley LAMMING son of Edward and Susanna (nee WALKERLEY) LAMMING. I can't Martin Walkerley LAMMING died Jun q 1881Louth RD age 60 (and not 1883 - so was deceased when son Joseph married in 1882 which could explain why his name was left off the marriage certificate). Ellen LAMMING (presumably wife of Joseph) died Jun q 1898 Grimsby RD age 39. 1901 census - he is Joe not Joseph LAMMING. In 1891 Joseph and Ellen had 3 children (William H 8, Ralph 4 and Emily E 2) and in 1901 Joe and Elsie had those 3 (Harry 18, Ralph 14 and Emily 12), along with a further 2 (Edith 9 and Fred 6). 1n 1911 Joseph is at Langton with married daughter Emily Ellen age 22; Joseph is described as married suggesting that his wife is still alive - but like you find Elise (or Emma) in 1911 - or an obvious death; similarly I've not found the 2 younger children Edith or Fred. There is a marriage of Emma Burton JOHNSON Jun q 1878 Dewsbury RD with a possible spouse Joe OLDROYD - this marriage is at Mirfield 11.5.1878, Emma is 23 and her father is Benjamin JOHNSON. My other North Thoresby surname interests are ATKINSON, COTTON, WALKERLEY, PICKARD - but it is quite some time since I last researched this part of my family tree! Alan Moorhouse Stroud -----Original Message----- From: L&CE Mackrill <mambo_moggie1@bigpond.com> Sent: 27 April 2018 11:59 To: Eng-Lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Joseph LAMMING Thanks all. Further to what I asked earlier. My great aunt Ellen MACKRILL married Joseph LAMMING 15 May 1882 in North Thoresby, Lincolnshire. Joseph’s father on the marriage extract is blank and struck through. Could this mean he was deceased? I have Joseph through the census with father Martin and mother Frances. Martin LAMMING, Joseph’s father died 1883. Ellen LAMMING ( MACKRILL) was buried West Ravendale 6 April 1898. 1901 census, Joseph (head) and Elsie (wife) LAMMING, living in North Thoresby. Elsie aged 51, born Wakefield, Yorkshire. (birth year 1850) There is a marriage in FreeBMD for a Joe LAMMING and Emma OLDROYD Jun 1899. Anne Coles Louth marriage transcriptions has this marriage 17 June 1899 of Joe LAMMING, father Martin to Emma OLDROYD (widow) father Richard JOHNSON in the parish of Waithe, ( a stones throw from North Thoresby) 1911 census, Joseph LAMMING is living with one of his daughters and son in law, enumerated as married. His wife Elsie from the 1901 census is not present and I cannot find her in the 1911 census. I am trying to establish if Joseph’s wife Elsie (1901 census) and Emma (marriage transcriptions) are the same person. Thanks, Leonard _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebprefUnsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
I have connections to the North Thoresby LAMMING family - and can offer a few updates, and couple of corrections. Ancestry have had transcribing the surname and Joseph and Ellen were LANNING in 1861 and TAMMING in 1871! The father of Joseph is Martin Walkerley LAMMING son of Edward and Susanna (nee WALKERLEY) LAMMING. I can't Martin Walkerley LAMMING died Jun q 1881Louth RD age 60 (and not 1883 - so was deceased when son Joseph married in 1882 which could explain why his name was left off the marriage certificate). Ellen LAMMING (presumably wife of Joseph) died Jun q 1898 Grimsby RD age 39. 1901 census - he is Joe not Joseph LAMMING. In 1891 Joseph and Ellen had 3 children (William H 8, Ralph 4 and Emily E 2) and in 1901 Joe and Elsie had those 3 (Harry 18, Ralph 14 and Emily 12), along with a further 2 (Edith 9 and Fred 6). 1n 1911 Joseph is at Langton with married daughter Emily Ellen age 22; Joseph is described as married suggesting that his wife is still alive - but like you find Elise (or Emma) in 1911 - or an obvious death; similarly I've not found the 2 younger children Edith or Fred. There is a marriage of Emma Burton JOHNSON Jun q 1878 Dewsbury RD with a possible spouse Joe OLDROYD - this marriage is at Mirfield 11.5.1878, Emma is 23 and her father is Benjamin JOHNSON. My other North Thoresby surname interests are ATKINSON, COTTON, WALKERLEY, PICKARD - but it is quite some time since I last researched this part of my family tree! Alan Moorhouse Stroud -----Original Message----- From: L&CE Mackrill <mambo_moggie1@bigpond.com> Sent: 27 April 2018 11:59 To: Eng-Lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Joseph LAMMING Thanks all. Further to what I asked earlier. My great aunt Ellen MACKRILL married Joseph LAMMING 15 May 1882 in North Thoresby, Lincolnshire. Joseph’s father on the marriage extract is blank and struck through. Could this mean he was deceased? I have Joseph through the census with father Martin and mother Frances. Martin LAMMING, Joseph’s father died 1883. Ellen LAMMING ( MACKRILL) was buried West Ravendale 6 April 1898. 1901 census, Joseph (head) and Elsie (wife) LAMMING, living in North Thoresby. Elsie aged 51, born Wakefield, Yorkshire. (birth year 1850) There is a marriage in FreeBMD for a Joe LAMMING and Emma OLDROYD Jun 1899. Anne Coles Louth marriage transcriptions has this marriage 17 June 1899 of Joe LAMMING, father Martin to Emma OLDROYD (widow) father Richard JOHNSON in the parish of Waithe, ( a stones throw from North Thoresby) 1911 census, Joseph LAMMING is living with one of his daughters and son in law, enumerated as married. His wife Elsie from the 1901 census is not present and I cannot find her in the 1911 census. I am trying to establish if Joseph’s wife Elsie (1901 census) and Emma (marriage transcriptions) are the same person. Thanks, Leonard _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
Thanks all. Further to what I asked earlier. My great aunt Ellen MACKRILL married Joseph LAMMING 15 May 1882 in North Thoresby, Lincolnshire. Joseph’s father on the marriage extract is blank and struck through. Could this mean he was deceased? I have Joseph through the census with father Martin and mother Frances. Martin LAMMING, Joseph’s father died 1883. Ellen LAMMING ( MACKRILL) was buried West Ravendale 6 April 1898. 1901 census, Joseph (head) and Elsie (wife) LAMMING, living in North Thoresby. Elsie aged 51, born Wakefield, Yorkshire. (birth year 1850) There is a marriage in FreeBMD for a Joe LAMMING and Emma OLDROYD Jun 1899. Anne Coles Louth marriage transcriptions has this marriage 17 June 1899 of Joe LAMMING, father Martin to Emma OLDROYD (widow) father Richard JOHNSON in the parish of Waithe, ( a stones throw from North Thoresby) 1911 census, Joseph LAMMING is living with one of his daughters and son in law, enumerated as married. His wife Elsie from the 1901 census is not present and I cannot find her in the 1911 census. I am trying to establish if Joseph’s wife Elsie (1901 census) and Emma (marriage transcriptions) are the same person. Thanks, Leonard
Thanks all. Further to what I asked earlier. My great aunt Ellen MACKRILL married Joseph LAMMING 15 May 1882 in North Thoresby, Lincolnshire. Joseph’s father on the marriage extract is blank and struck through. Could this mean he was deceased? I have Joseph through the census with father Martin and mother Frances. Martin LAMMING, Joseph’s father died 1883. Ellen LAMMING ( MACKRILL) was buried West Ravendale 6 April 1898. 1901 census, Joseph (head) and Elsie (wife) LAMMING, living in North Thoresby. Elsie aged 51, born Wakefield, Yorkshire. (birth year 1850) There is a marriage in FreeBMD for a Joe LAMMING and Emma OLDROYD Jun 1899. Anne Coles Louth marriage transcriptions has this marriage 17 June 1899 of Joe LAMMING, father Martin to Emma OLDROYD (widow) father Richard JOHNSON in the parish of Waithe, ( a stones throw from North Thoresby) 1911 census, Joseph LAMMING is living with one of his daughters and son in law, enumerated as married. His wife Elsie from the 1901 census is not present and I cannot find her in the 1911 census. I am trying to establish if Joseph’s wife Elsie (1901 census) and Emma (marriage transcriptions) are the same person. Thanks, Leonard
What info are you looking for have you tried http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ it also gives fathers names Emma's father was Richard Johnson and Joes was Martin Bev -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Siudek [mailto:msiudek@hotmail.co.uk] Sent: 27 April, 2018 7:58 AM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Re: Waithe Parish Registers There are no Waithe marriages in Find My Past for 1899.. no another negative. Sorry... Margaret On 27/04/2018 07:49, L&CE Mackrill wrote: > Would anyone have access to Waithe, Lincolnshire parish marriage > registers for 1899? > > They are not available on Ancestry, Lincstothepast or Familysearch. > > I am looking for extra details of the marriage of Joe LAMMING to Emma > OLDROYD (widow) 17 June 1899. > > I would like to have an image of the register entry. > > Thanks, > > Leonard > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community > --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community