Thanks, Judith. I think I prefer the old fashioned way and I have records back to the 1500's which I'm SURE of. -----Original Message----- From: Judith Harper [mailto:quester@orcon.net.nz] Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 4:52 PM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Re: DNA variations - Joan Joan Have you read up about how we get our DNA? We get 50% of OUR DNA from each parent but we don't get 50% of THEIR DNA. Each sibling is likely to get variable amounts of each parent's total DNA makeup. Take into account too that each parent is likely to have varying degrees of Irish, Scandinavian, English, etc and it is easy to see why siblings will show variations. Judith On 20/06/2018 7:49 a.m., Joan Van Daalen wrote: > I got my DNA results a short time ago, and got the following results: > > > > Scandinavian 50% no doubt due to my Norwegian grandfather. My brother > got 12% > > > > Irish 22%, my brother 28% > > > > Great Britain 12%, my brother 21% > > > > Western Europe 7%, my brother 16% > > > > and other differences between the two of us. > > > > I can understand there would be some discrepancies, but not on the level of > item !. > > > > To my mind, this throws the whole DNA system in doubt, and incidentally, > where do I go from here? I have had ONE referral regarding a distant cousin > from several generations back which was no help at all. > > > > Perhaps my expectations were too high, but to my mind it was a waste of > money. > > > > Joan Van Daalen > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Mike, What test did you take ? Ethnicity is one type of test. So it can't possibly throw the whole DNA system into doubt. If it was an Ancestry Autosomal test then add your results to Gedmatch to reach a wider audience. George

Joan Have you read up about how we get our DNA? We  get 50% of OUR DNA from each parent but we don't get 50% of THEIR DNA. Each sibling is likely to get variable amounts of each parent's total DNA makeup. Take into account too that each parent is likely to have varying degrees of Irish, Scandinavian,  English, etc  and it is easy to see why siblings will show  variations.   Judith On 20/06/2018 7:49 a.m., Joan Van Daalen wrote: > I got my DNA results a short time ago, and got the following results: > > > > Scandinavian 50% no doubt due to my Norwegian grandfather. My brother > got 12% > > > > Irish 22%, my brother 28% > > > > Great Britain 12%, my brother 21% > > > > Western Europe 7%, my brother 16% > > > > and other differences between the two of us. > > > > I can understand there would be some discrepancies, but not on the level of > item !. > > > > To my mind, this throws the whole DNA system in doubt, and incidentally, > where do I go from here? I have had ONE referral regarding a distant cousin > from several generations back which was no help at all. > > > > Perhaps my expectations were too high, but to my mind it was a waste of > money. > > > > Joan Van Daalen > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >

The "Genetic Genealogy Tips & Techniques" is a Facebook group: it is closed, ask to join; many, many experts there and lots of information. lots to learn. AND: if you have tested, please response to people who email you saying they match you on certain segments and try, together, to figure out if indeed, you are a true "cousin" match. I might have a picture you are looking for : ) I share No, you can no longer order microfilm from the LDS: all records are being digitized!! so stay tuned and it will be online. Liz in Howell Michigan researching Cook and Towell ancestors in the Blankney, Metheringham

Thank you for your reply Anne. Some very interesting facts, and most of all it ticked my love for history. I must say, having just read Joan’s email highlighting her DNA comparisons with her brothers, I might just hang on to my money at the moment! Although this DNA discussion has been quite enlightening from all angles, it would be a shame for it to drag on. Enough views and experiences have been discussed to help Listers make their minds up on the subject. Regards. Barbara. Sent from my iPad > On 19 Jun 2018, at 7:14 pm, Anne Cole <duncalf@one-name.org> wrote: > > That is a very good question Barbara. I can only give you my personal answer of course. > > Genealogy is an ancient occupation, there is a genealogical table in Genesis, the Saxon Kings had genealogies going back to Brutus, and I've recently seen one in the Journal of the Richard III Society from Edward IV (died 1483) back to Noah! These of course give names and sometimes dates but not much else. Therefore I would describe genealogy as drawing up tables showing one's ancestors. > > During the 1970s (I think that's right, but no doubt someone will say if it isn't) people started to get interested in their ancestry, due in part to a programme on the television by Gordon Honeycomb who traced his own ancestry. Soon after that family history societies began to spring up, and "family history" became very popular. The various family history societies engaged in several activities, including holding meetings, education (hosting lectures on all kinds of subjects) and of course, indexing and transcribing. Records that were previously difficult to access suddenly became easier to use with the onset of indexes to census and parish records, and some societies, including Lincolnshire, began a programme of making available other sources which, all put together, enabled researchers to find out what their ancestors did and how they lived. My first Poor Law Index was published in book form in 1987! Therefore I would describe family history as drawing up tables showing one's ancestors and finding out about their lives and the times they lived in. > > Anne > > Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society > > Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index > http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ > > Lincolnshire Family History Society > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barbara Paris. via ENG-LINCSGEN <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 2:26 PM > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > Cc: Barbara Paris. <paris276@btinternet.com> > Subject: [LIN] Re: DNA? > > Hello list. > > Now I’m just marginally confused, not difficult at 83, but could some knowledgable person please explain in simple terms, the difference between Family History and Genealogy? I thought I was enjoying doing both, that they were interlinked. > > Kind regards. > Barbara. > > Sent from my iPad > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Ethnicity estimates are the least accurate results you get with your DNA results; stick with your matches; join a "Genetic Genealogy Tips & Techniques", a closed group, but join it and learn about your results; the group is moderated by Blaine Bettinger, who is an expert (and wrote a highly recommended book on the subject also). I am a newby too but very interested in using this tool, DNA results, to further my research and "find" cousins, especially those in the UK as I continue to piece together the stories of my ancestors. I appreciate this being this month's topic Liz VanSickle in Howell Michigan, researching in Lincolnshire (Metheringham, Blankney, areas): Cook, Towell, Topham, Flintham, Love, Doubleday On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 3:51 PM, Violet Hecnar <vs.hecnar@sympatico.ca> wrote: > IMO, DNA testing is a useful tool in combination with Family history and > genealogy. As they say "if you don't know where you're from, how can you > know where you're going" in doing research. > In my own case, I always believed that I was 100 % British ( la dee da) ! > However, after taking two DNA tests from two different companies (results > similar) I happily discovered that I was much more. It turned out that I > was British 57, Irish 21, French/ German 8, Scandinavian 5 and the rest > Finnish, Iberian and Neanderthal (2.7) Apparently, we all have remnants to > this last one, which was certainly news to me! > The new info, in particular, the French/ German set me in some new > directions which I'm still researching- Huguenots and Palatine with family > connections in Ireland. > So, is DNA important to family research (history and genealogy) - a > definite yes from me. > An added feature of one of the tests was its health info. Again yes for > family research. > Sorry for the length, but I found it important to reply. > > Violet in Windsor, Ontario, Canada > > Sent from my iPad > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ > eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ > eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

DearAll, Thereis no replacement for actual research, going to the original or nearoriginal records. It is wonderful that some of these can be accessedonline, especially since the Mormons no longer send their tapes totheir Family History Centers. I have done plenty of first handresearch - but cannot go to record offices as I am in US. I had myDNA done through Ancestry, never intended to use it for "atree", with no desire to contact the living, just curious. Therewere several dead ends blocked by thick brick walls in myEnglish-American lines from the 1600s. My grandmother told me thatthe Williams were a mystery, maybe even Irish. The Fullers dead endbut no ethnicity question. My DNA showed me that I was exactly what Ithought I was, down to the percentages, but there was some Irishwhere part of the English should have been, and my dad the first toleave England! Pure Englishman – he has the Lincolnshire roots -but the descriptions from Ancestry said many Brits have Irish DNA.When I got my father's sister to be tested several years later - mydad having passed away before DNA testing - I was able to confirmthat my dad did in fact have a different father than his ten youngersiblings – so here is where the Irish DNA originated. An insolublemystery. No shock but happy for confirmation. BUTI was able to identify my adopted husband's birth parents – both ofthem – from DNA and non-identifying information from the FoundlingHome. His wish was only to know his ethnicity. This has been huge. Anda 5th cousin match has sent me in the right direction forthe Fuller dead end. His ancestor and mine were siblings. So, now tojust check the records – oh wait, there are none in the wildernessof Kentucky, have to somehow get back to New England. Lincolnshire– MARSHALL, NEEDLER, abt 1780- 1850 Kathryne Natale .................................................. I'm afraid I have absolutely no time whatsoever for DNA, in more ways than one. I am far too busy transcribing the wonderful stuff at Lincolnshire Archives that is unavailable in any other form ...... Hopefully one day some of you will appreciate all the work we are doing to bring these fascinating sources to Lincolnshire researchers. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Dear George, Yes, my view of DNA seems sad. It doesn't interest me, and I really don't have time to do the necessary contact work (I run a one-name study and have hundreds of contacts) to undertake a DNA project. However, I do not denigrate the work of others who use this as an extra tool to help in their family history. It's just not for me. Perhaps it was unfair to compare DNA testing with "Genealogy" as I defined it. As a "leading figure interested in family history and genealogy" I prefer to concentrate my efforts on highlighting the sources that are not available on-line, and probably won't be for a long time, and making them available through transcription via the LFHS website and publications. To this end I will continue spending my 3 days a week at Lincolnshire Archives, most of my evenings working on Lincolnshire stuff and perhaps finding a half day here and there to continue my own family history research, hardly any of which is in Lincolnshire. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: George Jamieson <georgejamieson@btconnect.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 3:18 PM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Re: DNA? Dear Anne Cole,With respect I find your view of DNA very sad. How anyone in your position, a leading figure interested in family history and genealogy, can suggest all the DNA researchers as only interested in the bare bones of genealogy is astounding. I keep saying - it is another resource - to be employed as appropriate. As useful as any other resource.Hopefully one day some of you will appreciate all the effort going into joining branches and demolishing those brickwalls. All those details that are missing from the public records and archives. At which time you can add our work to your archives and maybe even acknowledge our efforts.George Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Anne Cole <duncalf@one-name.org> Date: 19/06/2018 13:27 (GMT+00:00) To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] DNA? Dear list, I'm afraid I have absolutely no time whatsoever for DNA, in more ways than one. I am far too busy transcribing the wonderful stuff at Lincolnshire Archives that is unavailable in any other form to worry about DNA. Unfortunately people seem to be far more interested in DNA than finding out whether their ancestors were fined for playing football on Sunday, or whether they served as an overseer of the poor, or as a constable, or how much their annual wages were if they were hired for annual service. That to me is family history. DNA is far more aligned to Genealogy, which is only the bare bones of family history. Call me a dinosaur or ostrich if you will, it is only my personal view. Hopefully one day some of you will appreciate all the work we are doing to bring these fascinating sources to Lincolnshire researchers. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

My husband and I both did a DNA test - mine was what I expected but have been in touch with 3rd to 5th cousins already - my husband got a big surprise on his - a whole new line to research - something he knew nothing about I have enjoyed my new connections and each one tells me something I didn't know about the family they are connected too. I enjoy both genealogy and family history. Ann ________________________________ From: Mike Wells <casofilia@xtra.co.nz> Sent: June 19, 2018 4:07 PM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Re: DNA Anyone considering a DNA test pay real attention to these results and save your money. Mike I got my DNA results a short time ago, and got the following results: Scandinavian 50% no doubt due to my Norwegian grandfather. My brother got 12% Irish 22%, my brother 28% Great Britain 12%, my brother 21% Western Europe 7%, my brother 16% and other differences between the two of us. I can understand there would be some discrepancies, but not on the level of item !. To my mind, this throws the whole DNA system in doubt, and incidentally, where do I go from here? I have had ONE referral regarding a distant cousin from several generations back which was no help at all. Perhaps my expectations were too high, but to my mind it was a waste of money. Joan Van Daalen _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________

Anyone considering a DNA test pay real attention to these results and save your money. Mike I got my DNA results a short time ago, and got the following results: Scandinavian 50% no doubt due to my Norwegian grandfather. My brother got 12% Irish 22%, my brother 28% Great Britain 12%, my brother 21% Western Europe 7%, my brother 16% and other differences between the two of us. I can understand there would be some discrepancies, but not on the level of item !. To my mind, this throws the whole DNA system in doubt, and incidentally, where do I go from here? I have had ONE referral regarding a distant cousin from several generations back which was no help at all. Perhaps my expectations were too high, but to my mind it was a waste of money. Joan Van Daalen

Well George, you certainly appear to have a great deal more faith in the dna companies than I do thats for sure Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 19/06/2018 17:40, George Jamieson wrote: > Hi Peter, > > The testing companies are very aware of their responsibility for the security of an individuals results. The common tests do not include medical information. You can set different levels of access to your results. You can place an order under any name you like. There are companies that carry out medical DNA testing but you would know that when placing an order. > > I believe it would be obvious if an insurance company were able to access any medical DNA, lawfully or otherwise, and base premiums on it. The outcry, particularly in America, would be enormous. > > The testing laboratories will answer any questions you have. Check out the ISOGG Wiki pages - https://isogg.org/wiki/Portal:DNA_testing > > George

IMO, DNA testing is a useful tool in combination with Family history and genealogy. As they say "if you don't know where you're from, how can you know where you're going" in doing research. In my own case, I always believed that I was 100 % British ( la dee da) ! However, after taking two DNA tests from two different companies (results similar) I happily discovered that I was much more. It turned out that I was British 57, Irish 21, French/ German 8, Scandinavian 5 and the rest Finnish, Iberian and Neanderthal (2.7) Apparently, we all have remnants to this last one, which was certainly news to me! The new info, in particular, the French/ German set me in some new directions which I'm still researching- Huguenots and Palatine with family connections in Ireland. So, is DNA important to family research (history and genealogy) - a definite yes from me. An added feature of one of the tests was its health info. Again yes for family research. Sorry for the length, but I found it important to reply. Violet in Windsor, Ontario, Canada Sent from my iPad

I got my DNA results a short time ago, and got the following results: Scandinavian 50% no doubt due to my Norwegian grandfather. My brother got 12% Irish 22%, my brother 28% Great Britain 12%, my brother 21% Western Europe 7%, my brother 16% and other differences between the two of us. I can understand there would be some discrepancies, but not on the level of item !. To my mind, this throws the whole DNA system in doubt, and incidentally, where do I go from here? I have had ONE referral regarding a distant cousin from several generations back which was no help at all. Perhaps my expectations were too high, but to my mind it was a waste of money. Joan Van Daalen

That is a very good question Barbara. I can only give you my personal answer of course. Genealogy is an ancient occupation, there is a genealogical table in Genesis, the Saxon Kings had genealogies going back to Brutus, and I've recently seen one in the Journal of the Richard III Society from Edward IV (died 1483) back to Noah! These of course give names and sometimes dates but not much else. Therefore I would describe genealogy as drawing up tables showing one's ancestors. During the 1970s (I think that's right, but no doubt someone will say if it isn't) people started to get interested in their ancestry, due in part to a programme on the television by Gordon Honeycomb who traced his own ancestry. Soon after that family history societies began to spring up, and "family history" became very popular. The various family history societies engaged in several activities, including holding meetings, education (hosting lectures on all kinds of subjects) and of course, indexing and transcribing. Records that were previously difficult to access suddenly became easier to use with the onset of indexes to census and parish records, and some societies, including Lincolnshire, began a programme of making available other sources which, all put together, enabled researchers to find out what their ancestors did and how they lived. My first Poor Law Index was published in book form in 1987! Therefore I would describe family history as drawing up tables showing one's ancestors and finding out about their lives and the times they lived in. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Paris. via ENG-LINCSGEN <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 2:26 PM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: Barbara Paris. <paris276@btinternet.com> Subject: [LIN] Re: DNA? Hello list. Now I’m just marginally confused, not difficult at 83, but could some knowledgable person please explain in simple terms, the difference between Family History and Genealogy? I thought I was enjoying doing both, that they were interlinked. Kind regards. Barbara. Sent from my iPad

To My Dear Lincs List Friends I am resending (reread below) my first post which I gave in suggestion as a topic for discussion. I would ask you to reread it and tell me that this DNA test result is not valuable and extremely exciting for me. PS Many years ago before DNA was well known, a now proven cousin who faced a brick wall orchestrated a DNA testing through one of the British Universities. I collected a male uncle's and cousin's specimens and he a couple of males specimans in his family and sent them away. The tests came back and proved without doubt that we were very tightly related. We then joined in our family research and have worked together all these years on our VESEYs from Suffolk family. Some of you will know my 5th cousin David. DNA has played a great role in my genealogy research, not from the learning all the areas my people came from but in cementing connections for me. It can't work if you don't try it. It will never replace what the people on this and other lists have done for me over the years. I am deeply grateful. It is not one thing or the other ...its genealogy ...how we find our family and how we help each other in any way we can to find theirs. L Original Post Hi Everyone I'll be so glad to welcome our LINCS List back with daily conversations from my so helpful friends from years past. I'd like to suggest that we talk about DNA Testing. My experience of late has been extremely interesting and exciting. I'd like to share my latest find with you. My grandfather, Edward PLOWRIGHT b. 1874, Wrangle, left Lincolnshire 1895 for Canada. He met my grandmother, born 1872 in Hawesbury, Ontario, Canada, born just after her N. Ireland parents and two oldest siblings emigrational arrival in Eastern Canada. My grandfather Ed's older brother Thomas PLOWRIGHT came to Woodstock, Ontario, before him, married and farmed for a living. The NI relatives (to be) settled in close by Embro, Ontario ...of course, everyone knew each other. As The Thomas Plowrights were childless they adopted a young girl who had lost her parents. This young lady grew up, married and had children... One of her children, a girl, I found many years ago through my genealogy search and we have thought through our research that perhaps we were related. Her mother thought so and put the seed in our minds but we could not prove it for sure. Just this past week 'low and behold' Ancestry DNA reports that she and I are 4-6th cousins. When I decided to do the DNA I was not thinking of her and when she did her's she was not thinking of me but we both are totally thrilled. The connection is through our N.I. line not the Lincolnshire one but our Lincolnshire heritage through adoption made us family without the blood connection...and now we know for sure...we are blood rellies as well. We're "over the moon"! I wish our mothers were alive to share the joy. Kind regards to all, Linda B.C. Canada

Hi Peter, The testing companies are very aware of their responsibility for the security of an individuals results. The common tests do not include medical information. You can set different levels of access to your results. You can place an order under any name you like. There are companies that carry out medical DNA testing but you would know that when placing an order. I believe it would be obvious if an insurance company were able to access any medical DNA, lawfully or otherwise, and base premiums on it. The outcry, particularly in America, would be enormous. The testing laboratories will answer any questions you have. Check out the ISOGG Wiki pages - https://isogg.org/wiki/Portal:DNA_testing George -----Original Message----- From: Peter [mailto:peter.dooley@gmail.com] Sent: 19 June 2018 15:53 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: Barbara Paris. Subject: [LIN] Re: DNA? I am very concerned about the future potential impact of making our DNA available to databases over which we have limited control. Especially as hackers can access so much. Do they analyse and record more than the genealogy markers? Could the health insurance market be impacted? Given the downside of giving out too much information on social media and privacy risks, I would need some significant reassurance. Peter Sent from my iPhone > On 19 Jun 2018, at 14:26, Barbara Paris. via ENG-LINCSGEN <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hello list. > > Now I’m just marginally confused, not difficult at 83, but could some knowledgable person please explain in simple terms, the difference between Family History and Genealogy? I thought I was enjoying doing both, that they were interlinked. > > Despite my advanced years, for which I’m grateful, I try to keep up with advancing technology, so often linked with genealogy and thought DNA was yet another step into the future. > > As yet, I’ve been unable to afford participating, but with, to my knowledge, British, Irish and Jewish ancestors, I am will take that next step. > > Kind regards. > Barbara. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 19 Jun 2018, at 1:27 pm, Anne Cole <duncalf@one-name.org> wrote: >> >> Dear list, >> >> I'm afraid I have absolutely no time whatsoever for DNA, in more ways than >> one. I am far too busy transcribing the wonderful stuff at Lincolnshire >> Archives that is unavailable in any other form to worry about DNA. >> Unfortunately people seem to be far more interested in DNA than finding out >> whether their ancestors were fined for playing football on Sunday, or >> whether they served as an overseer of the poor, or as a constable, or how >> much their annual wages were if they were hired for annual service. That to >> me is family history. DNA is far more aligned to Genealogy, which is only >> the bare bones of family history. Call me a dinosaur or ostrich if you will, >> it is only my personal view. >> >> Hopefully one day some of you will appreciate all the work we are doing to >> bring these fascinating sources to Lincolnshire researchers. >> >> Anne >> >> Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society >> >> Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index >> http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ >> >> Lincolnshire Family History Society >> http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ >> >> Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ >> >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Lister's, I have to agree with the comments from both Ann Cole and Terry Wells about their concern that we are moving away from the purpose of lincsgen, which to my understanding is all about family history in and about family histories of Lincolnshire folk, and only that. I have been put in my place a few times on this site, maybe with good reason included by Nivard, but it has always been about questions about Lincolnshire folk and their family histories. I think that we are in danger of losing our own identity if we continue down this generalised path of DNA, which may be important to the purist's but not to the general family history of Lincolnshire folk, Lou. was correct with his approach. One other problem I have with all this DNA business, ( maybe no connection ) and that is, that for many weeks now for one reason or another there has been hardly any traffic on lincsgen, now there suddenly a deluge on board, is this mainly from the U S A. ? Bazza On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 at 15:53, Peter <peter.dooley@gmail.com> wrote: > I am very concerned about the future potential impact of making our DNA > available to databases over which we have limited control. Especially as > hackers can access so much. Do they analyse and record more than the > genealogy markers? Could the health insurance market be impacted? > > Given the downside of giving out too much information on social media and > privacy risks, I would need some significant reassurance. > > Peter > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 19 Jun 2018, at 14:26, Barbara Paris. via ENG-LINCSGEN < > eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > Hello list. > > > > Now I’m just marginally confused, not difficult at 83, but could some > knowledgable person please explain in simple terms, the difference between > Family History and Genealogy? I thought I was enjoying doing both, that > they were interlinked. > > > > Despite my advanced years, for which I’m grateful, I try to keep up with > advancing technology, so often linked with genealogy and thought DNA was > yet another step into the future. > > > > As yet, I’ve been unable to afford participating, but with, to my > knowledge, British, Irish and Jewish ancestors, I am will take that next > step. > > > > Kind regards. > > Barbara. > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > >> On 19 Jun 2018, at 1:27 pm, Anne Cole <duncalf@one-name.org> wrote: > >> > >> Dear list, > >> > >> I'm afraid I have absolutely no time whatsoever for DNA, in more ways > than > >> one. I am far too busy transcribing the wonderful stuff at Lincolnshire > >> Archives that is unavailable in any other form to worry about DNA. > >> Unfortunately people seem to be far more interested in DNA than finding > out > >> whether their ancestors were fined for playing football on Sunday, or > >> whether they served as an overseer of the poor, or as a constable, or > how > >> much their annual wages were if they were hired for annual service. > That to > >> me is family history. DNA is far more aligned to Genealogy, which is > only > >> the bare bones of family history. Call me a dinosaur or ostrich if you > will, > >> it is only my personal view. > >> > >> Hopefully one day some of you will appreciate all the work we are doing > to > >> bring these fascinating sources to Lincolnshire researchers. > >> > >> Anne > >> > >> Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society > >> > >> Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index > >> http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ > >> > >> Lincolnshire Family History Society > >> http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > >> > >> Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ > >> > >> Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ > >> > >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > >> > >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > > > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

I am very concerned about the future potential impact of making our DNA available to databases over which we have limited control. Especially as hackers can access so much. Do they analyse and record more than the genealogy markers? Could the health insurance market be impacted? Given the downside of giving out too much information on social media and privacy risks, I would need some significant reassurance. Peter Sent from my iPhone > On 19 Jun 2018, at 14:26, Barbara Paris. via ENG-LINCSGEN <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hello list. > > Now I’m just marginally confused, not difficult at 83, but could some knowledgable person please explain in simple terms, the difference between Family History and Genealogy? I thought I was enjoying doing both, that they were interlinked. > > Despite my advanced years, for which I’m grateful, I try to keep up with advancing technology, so often linked with genealogy and thought DNA was yet another step into the future. > > As yet, I’ve been unable to afford participating, but with, to my knowledge, British, Irish and Jewish ancestors, I am will take that next step. > > Kind regards. > Barbara. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 19 Jun 2018, at 1:27 pm, Anne Cole <duncalf@one-name.org> wrote: >> >> Dear list, >> >> I'm afraid I have absolutely no time whatsoever for DNA, in more ways than >> one. I am far too busy transcribing the wonderful stuff at Lincolnshire >> Archives that is unavailable in any other form to worry about DNA. >> Unfortunately people seem to be far more interested in DNA than finding out >> whether their ancestors were fined for playing football on Sunday, or >> whether they served as an overseer of the poor, or as a constable, or how >> much their annual wages were if they were hired for annual service. That to >> me is family history. DNA is far more aligned to Genealogy, which is only >> the bare bones of family history. Call me a dinosaur or ostrich if you will, >> it is only my personal view. >> >> Hopefully one day some of you will appreciate all the work we are doing to >> bring these fascinating sources to Lincolnshire researchers. >> >> Anne >> >> Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society >> >> Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index >> http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ >> >> Lincolnshire Family History Society >> http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ >> >> Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ >> >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Francis,Please tell me the point of family history. I'm obviously missing something here.George Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: francisp <francisp@xtra.co.nz> Date: 19/06/2018 13:44 (GMT+00:00) To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Re: DNA? Best post ever? This obsession with DNA has obscured the whole point of family history research.  Francis Auckland,  NZ Sent from Samsung tablet. -------- Original message --------From: Anne Cole <duncalf@one-name.org> Date: 19/06/18  10:27 PM  (GMT+10:00) To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] DNA? Dear list, I'm afraid I have absolutely no time whatsoever for DNA, in more ways than one. I am far too busy transcribing the wonderful stuff at Lincolnshire Archives that is unavailable in any other form to worry about DNA. Unfortunately people seem to be far more interested in DNA than finding out whether their ancestors were fined for playing football on Sunday, or whether they served as an overseer of the poor, or as a constable, or how much their annual wages were if they were hired for annual service. That to me is family history. DNA is far more aligned to Genealogy, which is only the bare bones of family history. Call me a dinosaur or ostrich if you will, it is only my personal view. Hopefully one day some of you will appreciate all the work we are doing to bring these fascinating sources to Lincolnshire researchers. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Dear Anne Cole,With respect I find your view of DNA very sad. How anyone in your position, a leading figure interested in family history and genealogy, can suggest all the DNA researchers as only interested in the bare bones of genealogy is astounding. I keep saying - it is another resource - to be employed as appropriate. As useful as any other resource.Hopefully one day some of you will appreciate all the effort going into joining branches and demolishing those brickwalls. All those details that are missing from the public records and archives. At which time you can add our work to your archives and maybe even acknowledge our efforts.George  Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Anne Cole <duncalf@one-name.org> Date: 19/06/2018 13:27 (GMT+00:00) To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] DNA? Dear list, I'm afraid I have absolutely no time whatsoever for DNA, in more ways than one. I am far too busy transcribing the wonderful stuff at Lincolnshire Archives that is unavailable in any other form to worry about DNA. Unfortunately people seem to be far more interested in DNA than finding out whether their ancestors were fined for playing football on Sunday, or whether they served as an overseer of the poor, or as a constable, or how much their annual wages were if they were hired for annual service. That to me is family history. DNA is far more aligned to Genealogy, which is only the bare bones of family history. Call me a dinosaur or ostrich if you will, it is only my personal view. Hopefully one day some of you will appreciate all the work we are doing to bring these fascinating sources to Lincolnshire researchers. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community