I also have a query, and he's my GG grandfather, Jacob DALTON. A 1955 family tree says he was born in 27th September 1816.  I have his marriage and all children / grandchildren, mostly living in Leake to start, but them spreading across the country.. His family dedicated a church window to Jacob and his wife Caroline JACKSON at about the same time as the tree being drawn up.  The only Jacob DALTON born around that time, that I've been able to find is Jacob DAWTON/DAULTON in Leverton on that exact date given by the tree, so whoever drew up the tree must have had that baptism in mind- even if, perhaps,  mistakenly. Mother was Mary and he was illegitimate. In the 1841 census he's in Leake with Susanna Dalton and 2 other slightly older young men, Isaac and Zaccheus. Family connections unknown as it's 1841. But Cyprian and Suanna Dalton of Leake & Friskney had a large family including  a daughter Mary in 1797, Isaac in 1809 and Zaccheus in 1814. They also had a Jacob who was born in 1811 and died in 1814. It seemed to me entirely possible, if unprovable, that their daughter Mary had a illegitimate son in 1816 called Jacob after her brother who died, and she then married or died, and her son Jacob was living at the time of the 1841 census with his grandmother and 2 uncles. Cyprian died in 1832. I have Jacob and Caroline in the following censuses. All well and good, if only to my satisfaction, until I discovered that Mary daughter of Cyprian died at the age of 6 months. There doesn't appear to be another daughter called Mary to the couple. Can anyone else find another Jacob Dalton born about 1816? Or what happened to Mary Dalton after Jacob was born? Margaret > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com

Interested in your post but still trying to sort out my Goodsons some of which were from Grantham that I haven't really sorted out yetIf you like I can Invite you to my tree and you can see if any of my Ann's fits RegardsJan Sent from my Samsung device -------- Original message -------- From: "Barbara Paris. via ENG-LINCSGEN" <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Date: 20/06/2018 21:19 (GMT+10:00) To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: "Barbara Paris." <paris276@btinternet.com> Subject: [LIN] Boyer. Oh dear, a few toys and prams flying around!! So to smooth things out, how about helping me dig a bit deeper on my g.g. grandfather?o His name was George BOYER. I think he married Ann GOODSON. I believe the family came from Grantham, Lincs. It’s on several certs. A daughter married into my TINGEY branch. I believe he worked with horses at a Lincolnshire castle!! Sorry this is a bit vague, info in another room, I’m busy quilting. Now, let’s pick the toys up and get on. However, thanks for all the DNA info I’ve now saved. Regards. Barbara. _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2Frootswebpref&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3f41fac8a0494bca432908d5d69fbd09%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636650903907566058&sdata=IM%2F%2FyyDVyTVfLDGBG%2FI9oarbZXqArr1ioYE%2FPxLx8O0%3D&reserved=0 Unsubscribe https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.ancestry.com%2Fpostorius%2Flists%2Feng-lincsgen%40rootsweb.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3f41fac8a0494bca432908d5d69fbd09%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636650903907566058&sdata=uMCIDVlAtuyW3zaC0Ppd2%2BgNwa6LzXRVcsXcH99HKSs%3D&reserved=0 Archives: https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.ancestry.com%2Fhyperkitty%2Flist%2Feng-lincsgen%40rootsweb.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3f41fac8a0494bca432908d5d69fbd09%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636650903907566058&sdata=je50skUT2JzO7AnMknW7Eu%2FCn9LpEAUMxcfW1LzK0gI%3D&reserved=0 Privacy Statement: https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2JWBOdY&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3f41fac8a0494bca432908d5d69fbd09%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636650903907566058&sdata=GFC%2FWouuKAsCRRLWA2AaUe9b5Z7r6%2FBUSQWwtOjNhCo%3D&reserved=0 Terms and Conditions: https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2HDBym9&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3f41fac8a0494bca432908d5d69fbd09%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636650903907566058&sdata=6ld8Vg6Nxd14S2%2F9kenjeSWPkPqU8tWwQxAsweovCyE%3D&reserved=0 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

You do it yourself Eric See the bottom of every post Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 20/06/2018 12:01, ERIC JOHNSON via ENG-LINCSGEN wrote: > Enough alreadyUnsubscribe me from this listI opted for the Digest version of these message to save me from being swamped with emailsIf you want to talk about the ins and outs of DNA then subscribe to a scientific database > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >

Oh dear, a few toys and prams flying around!! So to smooth things out, how about helping me dig a bit deeper on my g.g. grandfather?o His name was George BOYER. I think he married Ann GOODSON. I believe the family came from Grantham, Lincs. It’s on several certs. A daughter married into my TINGEY branch. I believe he worked with horses at a Lincolnshire castle!! Sorry this is a bit vague, info in another room, I’m busy quilting. Now, let’s pick the toys up and get on. However, thanks for all the DNA info I’ve now saved. Regards. Barbara.

Enough alreadyUnsubscribe me from this listI opted for the Digest version of these message to save me from being swamped with emailsIf you want to talk about the ins and outs of DNA then subscribe to a scientific database

Enough alreadySubscribe me from this listI opted for the Digest version of these message to save me from being swamped with emailsIf you want to talk about the ins and outs of DNA then subscribe to a scientific database

Thanks Dave. No one can argue with that.George Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Dave Naylor <davidcnaylor@gmail.com> Date: 20/06/2018 06:31 (GMT+00:00) To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Re: DNA? On 19 Jun 2018  Anne Cole wrote: > Yes, my view of DNA seems sad. It doesn't interest me, and I > really don't have time to do the necessary contact work (I run a > one-name study and have hundreds of contacts) to undertake a DNA > project. I'm running a NAYLOR One-Name Study and it wouldn't be possible to build and prove the tree *without* DNA testing.  Especially separating the Lincolnshire Naylors from others around the world. An associate of mine is running the BRADNER One-Name Study and was recently flabbergasted to discover by DNA testing that he and his paternal lineage are *not* Bradners!  DNA testing shows that there was an unknown adoption in his patriline about 4 generations ago. Perhaps he now wishes he had never DNA-tested -- he was happy in his ignorance. Cheers! -- Dave --   David Naylor, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.   Naylor DNA Project Administrator   Project pages:  https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/naylor/ --- _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

There are some useful links to a wiki and other sources at this site if you are confused about where to start https://isogg.org/ On a less serious note I thought DNA stood for National Dyslexic's Association. John Pepperdine ----Original message---- From : lklein@mindspring.com Date : 18/06/2018 - 22:02 (BST) To : eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject : [LIN] Admin: DNA tests Hello everyone After asking this very large list for suggestions for monthly themes, only one was received so we'll go with that one! DNA tests - Will you test or not, and why? How does testing help or hinder family research? If you've been tested, what do you think about the results? Any surprises? What is your advice for anyone contemplating testing? Shake yourselves out of the summer doldrums. I look forward to seeing your messages pouring in to the list! Kind regards, Lynne _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

On 19 Jun 2018 Anne Cole wrote: > Yes, my view of DNA seems sad. It doesn't interest me, and I > really don't have time to do the necessary contact work (I run a > one-name study and have hundreds of contacts) to undertake a DNA > project. I'm running a NAYLOR One-Name Study and it wouldn't be possible to build and prove the tree *without* DNA testing. Especially separating the Lincolnshire Naylors from others around the world. An associate of mine is running the BRADNER One-Name Study and was recently flabbergasted to discover by DNA testing that he and his paternal lineage are *not* Bradners! DNA testing shows that there was an unknown adoption in his patriline about 4 generations ago. Perhaps he now wishes he had never DNA-tested -- he was happy in his ignorance. Cheers! -- Dave -- David Naylor, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Naylor DNA Project Administrator Project pages: https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/naylor/ ---

My grandmother Amy Alice DICKINSON was born in Friskney Lincs in 1890. She was my most recent arrival to Australia having arrived with her brother Charles and sister in law Lizzie nee BLANCHARD c 1910. Amy and Charles were children of Thomas Dickinson and Thirza Nee LARDER. I always welcome contact with Larder and Dickinson connections and have corresponded via email with relations in the UK, Canada and the US. I used to have contact via snail mail in pre Lincs List days or pre internet days with some people. I treasure some hand written letters from Anne Cole who gave valuable assistance in my early days of research and also the late Ruth Tinley. I was able to help them in a small way with their Australian connections and still send anything I might come across that mentions the DUNCALF name to Anne. She probably has it all but always send a polite thank you. My wife and I visited the UK about 10 years ago and met Dickinson relations in Burgh, Gipsey Bridge (and Friskney cemetery). We also tried to visit all 15 counties of England and Scotland where we had direct ancestry living and see the villages or even the houses where they lived. This was a drive of over 4 000 miles in just over 4 weeks. I am or have been on mailing lists for many of these 15 counties. Can you imagine how many emails I would get if each of those lists ran a general discussion about the pros and cons of DNA testing. Surely there is a mailing list specifically dealing with DNA. I’d be interested in reading postings about specific research into the DNA of Lincs families. A project to look at the DNA of FENS families could be worthwhile for example. Please can we return to discussions about Lincolnshire connections. I probably won’t read them except in the archives if archives are up and running. I have another new knee waiting so will be leaving many of my lists until some future time. Meanwhile, if you have Lincolnshire connections to the DICKINSON or LARDER names feel free to contact me direct Regards to all irrespective of whether you favour DNA tests or not. Keep the stories coming about real people and what caused them to work, cry, laugh and live and CONNECT with Lincolnshire. How you found them or lost them and what you know that might help others like me to give some assistance in finding them, would also be good. David Central Coast NSW sdbales@gmail.com PS My wife has complained a couple of times recently that the white face washer I use has been getting a yellow tinge. Could I be a true Yellow Belly and the colour is still coming to the surface?

Linda, If you are interested in Lincolnshire dna. My haplogroup is I1 and the old Z138 subclade designation, which is now designated as simply I-A6808. I have found no close matches to this male dna line. My understanding is that I haplogroup is found in both AngloSaxon and Viking groups. Wikipedia estimates roughly 30-35% Scandinavians are in the I group. My male dna originated in Lincolnshire from agr laborers living in the area around Waddingham and Wragby. Doug > On Jun 19, 2018, at 6:57 PM, Linda <vesey@dccnet.com> wrote: > > Yes, George > > Everyone has a right to have their DNA done or not ...no one said that you > have to have it done. Asking for the topic to be "DNA" I thought was giving > a chance for those who have done theirs to tell if it helped their family > search results or not. And I was addressing people who had a Lincolnshire > heritage which is those on this List. I'm hoping that people don't get so > bent out of shape that they can't learn from what has been shared on this > topic and be happy for those who it has helped break down brick walls. > Thank you > Linda > B.C. > Canada > > > > Hi Anne, > > Thanks for the response. I Admin 3 DNA projects and co-admin a 4th. My hobby > for over 30 years is genealogy, which I consider encompasses family history, > is helped by DNA testing. I find it very annoying to be told categorically > that my hobby has no place in family history or genealogical research. I > appreciate you did not say that but the negative comments are coming thick > and fast. Many from folk who know little of the possibilities and are not > interested in hearing about any success stories. > > Do you not have a brickwall ? If I could find a way to demolish it would you > not be interested ? > > George > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Linda,As far as I'm concerned your question was perfectly valid one for the list. I tried to help by answering it as best I could. Obviously we were not expecting the reaction we received. Time to end the thread. Good night from the UK.George Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Linda <vesey@dccnet.com> Date: 19/06/2018 23:57 (GMT+00:00) To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Re: DNA? Yes, George Everyone has a right to have their DNA done or not ...no one said that you have to have it done. Asking for the topic to be "DNA" I thought was giving a chance for those who have done theirs to tell if it helped their family search results or not.   And I was addressing people who had a Lincolnshire heritage which is those on this List. I'm hoping that people don't  get so bent out of shape that they can't learn from what has been shared on this topic and be happy for those who it has helped break down brick walls. Thank you Linda B.C. Canada   Hi Anne, Thanks for the response. I Admin 3 DNA projects and co-admin a 4th. My hobby for over 30 years is genealogy, which I consider encompasses family history, is helped by DNA testing. I find it very annoying to be told categorically that my hobby has no place in family history or genealogical research. I appreciate you did not say that but the negative comments are coming thick and fast. Many from folk who know little of the possibilities and are not interested in hearing about any success stories. Do you not have a brickwall ? If I could find a way to demolish it would you not be interested ? George _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi List, I have had my mtDNA and my brother’s Y-DNA done. So far I haven’t had any success at all. I’m with Anne… I think the testing is good for some people, but I have kind of found it useless to me. I would much rather do the legwork proving my family history finds. I’m now back to the early 1600s on my Lincolnshire PORTAS family and the collateral lines. I like the thrill of the hunt. I have been helped so much by this list and the knowledgeable researchers who monitor the list. Anne Cole has been a treasure. I will be at the Lincs Archives first week in August. I am looking forward to going through the resources held at LA and hope to be there when Anne is. This trip lends the least amount of time to research in the archives. My last trip I gathered wills. This trip I’ll go for Settlements and poor laws. I’ve got my priority list started. Kind regards, Karen Glass, Illinois LFHS # C6288 Blog: http://familyhistorywithalookingglass.blogspot.com kglass18@mac.com PORTEOUS DNA Surname Project (includes PORTAS) - http://www.familytreedna.com/public/porteous Researching in: UK--Lincolnshire, Yorkshire; USA--Kansas, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan; CA--Ontario, Alberta; AU and NZ [includes all spelling variations] PORTEOUS; PORTAS; PORTUS; BIRKETT, DOBBS, MOOR, SALMON VAMPLEW; VANPLEW; ROUSE, ROWSE PATCHETT "Give Peace a Chance"

Read Anne's email again. Finding out not only the names of your ancestors but what they did, what happened to them, etc. So that they are not just names and numbers on a family tree. Quality over quantity, if you like. Francis Auckland, NZ Sent from Samsung tablet. -------- Original message --------From: George Jamieson <georgejamieson@btconnect.com> Date: 20/06/18 12:25 AM (GMT+10:00) To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Re: DNA? Francis,Please tell me the point of family history. I'm obviously missing something here.George Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: francisp <francisp@xtra.co.nz> Date: 19/06/2018  13:44  (GMT+00:00) To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Re: DNA? Best post ever? This obsession with DNA has obscured the whole point of family history research.  Francis Auckland,  NZ Sent from Samsung tablet. -------- Original message --------From: Anne Cole <duncalf@one-name.org> Date: 19/06/18  10:27 PM  (GMT+10:00) To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] DNA? Dear list, I'm afraid I have absolutely no time whatsoever for DNA, in more ways than one. I am far too busy transcribing the wonderful stuff at Lincolnshire Archives that is unavailable in any other form to worry about DNA. Unfortunately people seem to be far more interested in DNA than finding out whether their ancestors were fined for playing football on Sunday, or whether they served as an overseer of the poor, or as a constable, or how much their annual wages were if they were hired for annual service. That to me is family history. DNA is far more aligned to Genealogy, which is only the bare bones of family history. Call me a dinosaur or ostrich if you will, it is only my personal view. Hopefully one day some of you will appreciate all the work we are doing to bring these fascinating sources to Lincolnshire researchers. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Yes, George Everyone has a right to have their DNA done or not ...no one said that you have to have it done. Asking for the topic to be "DNA" I thought was giving a chance for those who have done theirs to tell if it helped their family search results or not. And I was addressing people who had a Lincolnshire heritage which is those on this List. I'm hoping that people don't get so bent out of shape that they can't learn from what has been shared on this topic and be happy for those who it has helped break down brick walls. Thank you Linda B.C. Canada Hi Anne, Thanks for the response. I Admin 3 DNA projects and co-admin a 4th. My hobby for over 30 years is genealogy, which I consider encompasses family history, is helped by DNA testing. I find it very annoying to be told categorically that my hobby has no place in family history or genealogical research. I appreciate you did not say that but the negative comments are coming thick and fast. Many from folk who know little of the possibilities and are not interested in hearing about any success stories. Do you not have a brickwall ? If I could find a way to demolish it would you not be interested ? George

Barbara, I would love to help another doubter such as Anne. I get as much pleasure from helping folk as I do from my conventional research. Although I have found the negative comments frustrating I have enjoyed these exchanges. It won't be long before I can go back to plain lurking on the list. I might even re-post my original query from when I first joined Rootsweb. Please everyone consider taking a DNA test. Carefully pick the right test. George -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Paris. via ENG-LINCSGEN [mailto:eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com] Sent: 19 June 2018 23:31 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: Barbara Paris. Subject: [LIN] Re: DNA? I hope we all see the outcome of this George! Regards. Barbara Sent from my iPad > On 19 Jun 2018, at 11:15 pm, George Jamieson <georgejamieson@btconnect.com> wrote: > > Hi Anne, > > Thanks for the response. I Admin 3 DNA projects and co-admin a 4th. My hobby > for over 30 years is genealogy, which I consider encompasses family history, > is helped by DNA testing. I find it very annoying to be told categorically > that my hobby has no place in family history or genealogical research. I > appreciate you did not say that but the negative comments are coming thick > and fast. Many from folk who know little of the possibilities and are not > interested in hearing about any success stories. > > Do you not have a brickwall ? If I could find a way to demolish it would you > not be interested ? > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anne Cole [mailto:duncalf@one-name.org] > Sent: 19 June 2018 21:18 > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LIN] Re: DNA? > > Dear George, > > Yes, my view of DNA seems sad. It doesn't interest me, and I really don't > have time to do the necessary contact work (I run a one-name study and have > hundreds of contacts) to undertake a DNA project. However, I do not > denigrate the work of others who use this as an extra tool to help in their > family history. It's just not for me. Perhaps it was unfair to compare DNA > testing with "Genealogy" as I defined it. > > As a "leading figure interested in family history and genealogy" I prefer to > concentrate my efforts on highlighting the sources that are not available > on-line, and probably won't be for a long time, and making them available > through transcription via the LFHS website and publications. To this end I > will continue spending my 3 days a week at Lincolnshire Archives, most of my > evenings working on Lincolnshire stuff and perhaps finding a half day here > and there to continue my own family history research, hardly any of which is > in Lincolnshire. > > Anne > > Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society > > Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 > > http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html > http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ > > Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index > > http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ > > Lincolnshire Family History Society > > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk > > -----Original Message----- > From: George Jamieson <georgejamieson@btconnect.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 3:18 PM > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LIN] Re: DNA? > > Dear Anne Cole,With respect I find your view of DNA very sad. How anyone in > your position, a leading figure interested in family history and genealogy, > can suggest all the DNA researchers as only interested in the bare bones of > genealogy is astounding. I keep saying - it is another resource - to be > employed as appropriate. As useful as any other resource.Hopefully one day > some of you will appreciate all the effort going into joining branches and > demolishing those brickwalls. All those details that are missing from the > public records and archives. At which time you can add our work to your > archives and maybe even acknowledge our efforts.George Sent from my Samsung > Galaxy smartphone. > -------- Original message --------From: Anne Cole <duncalf@one-name.org> > Date: 19/06/2018 13:27 (GMT+00:00) To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: > [LIN] DNA? > Dear list, > > I'm afraid I have absolutely no time whatsoever for DNA, in more ways than > one. I am far too busy transcribing the wonderful stuff at Lincolnshire > Archives that is unavailable in any other form to worry about DNA. > Unfortunately people seem to be far more interested in DNA than finding out > whether their ancestors were fined for playing football on Sunday, or > whether they served as an overseer of the poor, or as a constable, or how > much their annual wages were if they were hired for annual service. That to > me is family history. DNA is far more aligned to Genealogy, which is only > the bare bones of family history. Call me a dinosaur or ostrich if you will, > it is only my personal view. > > Hopefully one day some of you will appreciate all the work we are doing to > bring these fascinating sources to Lincolnshire researchers. > > Anne > > Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society > > Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index > http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ > > Lincolnshire Family History Society > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.co > m/ > > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.co > m/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.co > m/ > > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.co > m/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.co > m/ > > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.co > m/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.co m/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.co m/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.co m/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.co m/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Doug, Just to make it clear for folks who are not aware of the different types of DNA test. Doug is referring to autosomal DNA testing. Yes, you inherit parts of your X and Y DNA from your parents who themselves inherited a mix from their parents and back up a further 3 to 4 generations. After a total of 5 to 6 generations the mix is made up of such small segments that identifying who each segment came from is very difficult. So autosomal testing can be done by both males and females. It will give matches including living cousins but importantly for only 5 to 6 generations back. Autosomal testing often provides ethnicity percentages. This is what I consider for curiosity but it often attract the biggest interest. Y-DNA testing is for direct male line research and will report matches going back to Adam at the top of the human tree. Males only take this test and it will not include any female matches. Purely direct male line. Y-SNP testing is for refining your haplotree. It is more expensive. Mainly taken after Y-DNA testing. MTDNA is for research the female lineage. Your mother, her mother, her mother, her mother etc. Can be taken by males and females. George -----Original Message----- From: Baxter, Douglas [mailto:baxter@ohio.edu] Sent: 19 June 2018 22:57 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Re: DNA Joan, As I understand it, we get different combinations of dna from our parents. No siblings have equal amounts of dna strands. We get half from our mother, but your brother might get a different combination from her half. Except for your Scandinavian block. They look fairly close to me. Also these ethnicity ranges differ in different tests. Familytreedna and Ancestry draw on differing testing groups and have different percentages. Doug > On Jun 19, 2018, at 3:50 PM, Joan Van Daalen <jvandaal@sympatico.ca> wrote: > > I got my DNA results a short time ago, and got the following results: > > > > Scandinavian 50% no doubt due to my Norwegian grandfather. My brother > got 12% > > > > Irish 22%, my brother 28% > > > > Great Britain 12%, my brother 21% > > > > Western Europe 7%, my brother 16% > > > > and other differences between the two of us. > > > > I can understand there would be some discrepancies, but not on the level of > item !. > > > > To my mind, this throws the whole DNA system in doubt, and incidentally, > where do I go from here? I have had ONE referral regarding a distant cousin > from several generations back which was no help at all. > > > > Perhaps my expectations were too high, but to my mind it was a waste of > money. > > > > Joan Van Daalen > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.co m/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.co m/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.co m/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.co m/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I hope we all see the outcome of this George! Regards. Barbara Sent from my iPad > On 19 Jun 2018, at 11:15 pm, George Jamieson <georgejamieson@btconnect.com> wrote: > > Hi Anne, > > Thanks for the response. I Admin 3 DNA projects and co-admin a 4th. My hobby > for over 30 years is genealogy, which I consider encompasses family history, > is helped by DNA testing. I find it very annoying to be told categorically > that my hobby has no place in family history or genealogical research. I > appreciate you did not say that but the negative comments are coming thick > and fast. Many from folk who know little of the possibilities and are not > interested in hearing about any success stories. > > Do you not have a brickwall ? If I could find a way to demolish it would you > not be interested ? > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anne Cole [mailto:duncalf@one-name.org] > Sent: 19 June 2018 21:18 > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LIN] Re: DNA? > > Dear George, > > Yes, my view of DNA seems sad. It doesn't interest me, and I really don't > have time to do the necessary contact work (I run a one-name study and have > hundreds of contacts) to undertake a DNA project. However, I do not > denigrate the work of others who use this as an extra tool to help in their > family history. It's just not for me. Perhaps it was unfair to compare DNA > testing with "Genealogy" as I defined it. > > As a "leading figure interested in family history and genealogy" I prefer to > concentrate my efforts on highlighting the sources that are not available > on-line, and probably won't be for a long time, and making them available > through transcription via the LFHS website and publications. To this end I > will continue spending my 3 days a week at Lincolnshire Archives, most of my > evenings working on Lincolnshire stuff and perhaps finding a half day here > and there to continue my own family history research, hardly any of which is > in Lincolnshire. > > Anne > > Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society > > Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 > > http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html > http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ > > Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index > > http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ > > Lincolnshire Family History Society > > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk > > -----Original Message----- > From: George Jamieson <georgejamieson@btconnect.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 3:18 PM > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LIN] Re: DNA? > > Dear Anne Cole,With respect I find your view of DNA very sad. How anyone in > your position, a leading figure interested in family history and genealogy, > can suggest all the DNA researchers as only interested in the bare bones of > genealogy is astounding. I keep saying - it is another resource - to be > employed as appropriate. As useful as any other resource.Hopefully one day > some of you will appreciate all the effort going into joining branches and > demolishing those brickwalls. All those details that are missing from the > public records and archives. At which time you can add our work to your > archives and maybe even acknowledge our efforts.George Sent from my Samsung > Galaxy smartphone. > -------- Original message --------From: Anne Cole <duncalf@one-name.org> > Date: 19/06/2018 13:27 (GMT+00:00) To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: > [LIN] DNA? > Dear list, > > I'm afraid I have absolutely no time whatsoever for DNA, in more ways than > one. I am far too busy transcribing the wonderful stuff at Lincolnshire > Archives that is unavailable in any other form to worry about DNA. > Unfortunately people seem to be far more interested in DNA than finding out > whether their ancestors were fined for playing football on Sunday, or > whether they served as an overseer of the poor, or as a constable, or how > much their annual wages were if they were hired for annual service. That to > me is family history. DNA is far more aligned to Genealogy, which is only > the bare bones of family history. Call me a dinosaur or ostrich if you will, > it is only my personal view. > > Hopefully one day some of you will appreciate all the work we are doing to > bring these fascinating sources to Lincolnshire researchers. > > Anne > > Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society > > Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index > http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ > > Lincolnshire Family History Society > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.co > m/ > > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.co > m/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.co > m/ > > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.co > m/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.co > m/ > > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.co > m/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Anne, Thanks for the response. I Admin 3 DNA projects and co-admin a 4th. My hobby for over 30 years is genealogy, which I consider encompasses family history, is helped by DNA testing. I find it very annoying to be told categorically that my hobby has no place in family history or genealogical research. I appreciate you did not say that but the negative comments are coming thick and fast. Many from folk who know little of the possibilities and are not interested in hearing about any success stories. Do you not have a brickwall ? If I could find a way to demolish it would you not be interested ? George -----Original Message----- From: Anne Cole [mailto:duncalf@one-name.org] Sent: 19 June 2018 21:18 To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Re: DNA? Dear George, Yes, my view of DNA seems sad. It doesn't interest me, and I really don't have time to do the necessary contact work (I run a one-name study and have hundreds of contacts) to undertake a DNA project. However, I do not denigrate the work of others who use this as an extra tool to help in their family history. It's just not for me. Perhaps it was unfair to compare DNA testing with "Genealogy" as I defined it. As a "leading figure interested in family history and genealogy" I prefer to concentrate my efforts on highlighting the sources that are not available on-line, and probably won't be for a long time, and making them available through transcription via the LFHS website and publications. To this end I will continue spending my 3 days a week at Lincolnshire Archives, most of my evenings working on Lincolnshire stuff and perhaps finding a half day here and there to continue my own family history research, hardly any of which is in Lincolnshire. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html http://duncalfonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/ Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: George Jamieson <georgejamieson@btconnect.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 3:18 PM To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] Re: DNA? Dear Anne Cole,With respect I find your view of DNA very sad. How anyone in your position, a leading figure interested in family history and genealogy, can suggest all the DNA researchers as only interested in the bare bones of genealogy is astounding. I keep saying - it is another resource - to be employed as appropriate. As useful as any other resource.Hopefully one day some of you will appreciate all the effort going into joining branches and demolishing those brickwalls. All those details that are missing from the public records and archives. At which time you can add our work to your archives and maybe even acknowledge our efforts.George Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Anne Cole <duncalf@one-name.org> Date: 19/06/2018 13:27 (GMT+00:00) To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIN] DNA? Dear list, I'm afraid I have absolutely no time whatsoever for DNA, in more ways than one. I am far too busy transcribing the wonderful stuff at Lincolnshire Archives that is unavailable in any other form to worry about DNA. Unfortunately people seem to be far more interested in DNA than finding out whether their ancestors were fined for playing football on Sunday, or whether they served as an overseer of the poor, or as a constable, or how much their annual wages were if they were hired for annual service. That to me is family history. DNA is far more aligned to Genealogy, which is only the bare bones of family history. Call me a dinosaur or ostrich if you will, it is only my personal view. Hopefully one day some of you will appreciate all the work we are doing to bring these fascinating sources to Lincolnshire researchers. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.co m/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.co m/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.co m/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.co m/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.co m/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.co m/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Joan, As I understand it, we get different combinations of dna from our parents. No siblings have equal amounts of dna strands. We get half from our mother, but your brother might get a different combination from her half. Except for your Scandinavian block. They look fairly close to me. Also these ethnicity ranges differ in different tests. Familytreedna and Ancestry draw on differing testing groups and have different percentages. Doug > On Jun 19, 2018, at 3:50 PM, Joan Van Daalen <jvandaal@sympatico.ca> wrote: > > I got my DNA results a short time ago, and got the following results: > > > > Scandinavian 50% no doubt due to my Norwegian grandfather. My brother > got 12% > > > > Irish 22%, my brother 28% > > > > Great Britain 12%, my brother 21% > > > > Western Europe 7%, my brother 16% > > > > and other differences between the two of us. > > > > I can understand there would be some discrepancies, but not on the level of > item !. > > > > To my mind, this throws the whole DNA system in doubt, and incidentally, > where do I go from here? I have had ONE referral regarding a distant cousin > from several generations back which was no help at all. > > > > Perhaps my expectations were too high, but to my mind it was a waste of > money. > > > > Joan Van Daalen > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community