Crosby is one of the original villages that joined together to become the town of Scunthorpe. Jo Perkins On 14 Mar 2012, at 03:25, Pam Downes wrote: > I did see that William and Rebecca on the census, but judging by the > family and places they lived thought it unlikely for them to be Mary > Jane's parents. > According to a tree on Ancestry William, who 1861, 1871, and 1891 is > spelt and indexed as Burrill, married Rebecca Richmond. FreeBMD has > such a marriage in March quarter 1853, Tunbridge Wells registration > district. Several of their children were born in Kent. > > According to Genuki, the Isle of Man doesn't have a parish called > Crosby. > I always thought Crosby was in Lancashire, though other Crosbys may be > available. <g> > > Pam > Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ > > On 14/03/2012 03:03, bill.stratton@ns.sympatico.ca wrote: >> I don't know if this is who you are looking for >> , but from the IGI >> >> William BORRELL Birth 1828 Blyton Lincoln >> Marriage About 1858 Lincoln England >> Bride Mrs. Rebecca BORRELL >> Record Submitted by a member of the LDS Church >> >> As I said before A Long Shot It might help >> >> Bill Stratton >> Cole Harbour NS Canada >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Phil at Angelic Aromas"<phil.gresham@hotmail.co.uk> >>> >>> George Henry GRESHAM married Mary Jane BORRILL in the second >>> quarter of >>> 1894. Mary Janes parents were William& Rebecca BORRILL, can >>> anyone help >>> me find her parents marriage and Rebecca's surname. Their ages >>> would be >>> useful also >>> Thank you >>> Phil >>> >> >> ------------------------------- > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Good Day In regards to Crosby Isle of Man Crosby is a small village 6 km west of Douglas , Isle of Man it has a population of about 900 from the Wikipedia org Bill Stratton Cole Harbour NS Canada Scribe for FreeREG Lins. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Downes" <pam@five-oaks.co.uk> To: <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 12:25 AM Subject: Re: [LIN] William & Rebecca BORRILL > > According to Genuki, the Isle of Man doesn't have a parish called Crosby. > I always thought Crosby was in Lancashire, though other Crosbys may be > available. <g> > > Pam > Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/

I did see that William and Rebecca on the census, but judging by the family and places they lived thought it unlikely for them to be Mary Jane's parents. According to a tree on Ancestry William, who 1861, 1871, and 1891 is spelt and indexed as Burrill, married Rebecca Richmond. FreeBMD has such a marriage in March quarter 1853, Tunbridge Wells registration district. Several of their children were born in Kent. According to Genuki, the Isle of Man doesn't have a parish called Crosby. I always thought Crosby was in Lancashire, though other Crosbys may be available. <g> Pam Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ On 14/03/2012 03:03, bill.stratton@ns.sympatico.ca wrote: > I don't know if this is who you are looking for > , but from the IGI > > William BORRELL Birth 1828 Blyton Lincoln > Marriage About 1858 Lincoln England > Bride Mrs. Rebecca BORRELL > Record Submitted by a member of the LDS Church > > As I said before A Long Shot It might help > > Bill Stratton > Cole Harbour NS Canada > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phil at Angelic Aromas"<phil.gresham@hotmail.co.uk> >> >> George Henry GRESHAM married Mary Jane BORRILL in the second quarter of >> 1894. Mary Janes parents were William& Rebecca BORRILL, can anyone help >> me find her parents marriage and Rebecca's surname. Their ages would be >> useful also >> Thank you >> Phil >> > > -------------------------------

Should of read further Mrs Rebecca BORRELL Birth 1826 Crosby ,Isle of Man England on the Pedigree Chart Bill Stratton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil at Angelic Aromas" <phil.gresham@hotmail.co.uk> > > > George Henry GRESHAM married Mary Jane BORRILL in the second quarter of > 1894. Mary Janes parents were William & Rebecca BORRILL, can anyone help > me find her parents marriage and Rebecca's surname. Their ages would be > useful also > Thank you > Phil >

I don't know if this is who you are looking for , but from the IGI William BORRELL Birth 1828 Blyton Lincoln Marriage About 1858 Lincoln England Bride Mrs. Rebecca BORRELL Record Submitted by a member of the LDS Church As I said before A Long Shot It might help Bill Stratton Cole Harbour NS Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil at Angelic Aromas" <phil.gresham@hotmail.co.uk> > > > George Henry GRESHAM married Mary Jane BORRILL in the second quarter of > 1894. Mary Janes parents were William & Rebecca BORRILL, can anyone help > me find her parents marriage and Rebecca's surname. Their ages would be > useful also > Thank you > Phil >

Then surely it's simple. Acquaintance wants to know family history, acquaintance gets told, sorry, can only go this far without birth certificate. It's then their call whether they flash the cash or give up the search. Pam Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ On 13/03/2012 23:08, Phil at Angelic Aromas wrote: > > > > Sorry Pam, > > I was thinking of the GRO index and not the Birth Certificate. > > I have spent a lot of money on certificates over the years but as this is a line I am not following didn't want to go to that expense. I was doing it more as a favour for an acquaintance. > > I have research my own line back to the 16th century and helped many others with their research, so I do know a bit about it. > > I had already discounted Rebecca Kime before posting on here. > > Best wishes > > Phil > > > > >> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:49:05 +0000 >> From: pam@five-oaks.co.uk >> To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [LIN] William& Rebecca BORRILL >> >> Phil, >> Quote: "Getting Mary Janes birth certificate will not show her mothers maiden name." >> Er, I think it will. What it might not do is give a father's name. >> >> You're stuck on this family. Several peope have definitely had a look at your query - you know because they've replied. Others may have looked, and haven't replied simply because they've found out nothing they can add to what's already been said. >> If you've been doing FH for 25 years then you shoud know that sending for certificates is sometimes the only way to find out information - short of going through every single baptism/marriage/burial record for every church, chapel, cemetery or crematorium that ever existed. >> >> Perhaps you're just unfortunate that other ancestors of yours have been so successful at hiding themselves that the only information anyone can find is from the GRO Index, hence the 'send for the certificate'. It's not a phrase we use light-heartedly, as we all know the cost of them. I think you will it's a phrase used in sheer frustration, as in this case, at not being able to find further information to help you. >> >> And I apologise for not emphasing that I think the Rebecca Kime Joan found marrying in 1851 actually married Edward Smith Kirkby (who was on the same page) not William Borrill. (Though I gave the reason why.) >> >> Pam >> Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society >> http://www.lincolnshirefhs.og.uk >> >> >> >> On 13/03/2012 22:04, Phil at Angelic Aromas wrote: >>> I have been researching my family tree for over 25 years so I know, Joan, that there are no short cuts. Getting Mary Janes birth certificate will not show her mothers maiden name. I am very doubtful that her parents married but was hoping that someone on the list would have some information as I know there are people on here researching BORRILLS. >>> >>> I can't afford to get certificates for every person I research and, in this case, it would not help. >>> >>> I am frustrated that on the rare occasions I ask for help I get the response "send for the certificate", whereas other people get an immense amount of help. >>> >>> Sorry if you don't like this >>> >>> Phil >>> >>>> From: jvandaal@sympatico.ca >>>> To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com >>>> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 07:50:22 -0400 >>>> Subject: Re: [LIN] William& Rebecca BORRILL >>>> >>>> Yes, but she is the only Rebecca on the page. As I said before though, the >>>> certificate is the only definitive answer. Joan. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Pam Downes"<pam@five-oaks.co.uk> >>>> To:<eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 10:50 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [LIN] William& Rebecca BORRILL >>>> >>>> >>>>> Without wishing to throw cold water on Joan's find, there is no proof >>>>> that William and Rebecca married. That FreeBMD entry proves only that >>>>> they were on the same page of the register. >>>>> I've been trying to 'match' the other people on the page. Though with >>>>> very little success, unless you count the following: >>>>> >>>>> I have found in 1851 a Rebecca Kime, aged 21, born what I presume is >>>>> Scamblesby (terrible writing!) , living in Horncastle, HO107/2107 f 297 >>>>> p 34 >>>>> Also living in Horncastle in Foundry Street, is an Edward S Kirkby, aged >>>>> 20, living with his parents John and Hannah. HO107/2107 f 363 p 8 >>>>> >>>>> In 1861 living in Foundry Street, Horncastle, there is a Rebecca Kirkby, >>>>> aged 29, widow, born Scramby (sic), with three children, John, Hannah, >>>>> and Edward. RG 9/2366 f 82 p//53 >>>>> There is a burial in Horncastle St Mary 19 March 1859 for an Edward >>>>> Kirkby, no age given. >>>>> >>>>> Not having a lot of luck finding any of them in 1871, apart from Edward >>>>> (junior) who is in Horncastle workhouse. >>>>> >>>>> Pam >>>>> Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society >>>>> http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 13/03/2012 00:36, Joan Van Daalen wrote: >>>>>> I really shouldn't do your homework for you, but here is a marriage in >>>>>> the >>>>>> June quarter of 1851 between William Borrill and Rebecca Kime, reference >>>>>> Horncastle vol 14 page 770. From FreeBMD again. >>>>>> >>>>>> Joan >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Phil at Angelic Aromas"<phil.gresham@hotmail.co.uk> >>>>>> To: "Lincs Genealogy"<eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 6:01 PM >>>>>> Subject: [LIN] William& Rebecca BORRILL >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> George Henry GRESHAM married Mary Jane BORRILL in the second quarter of >>>>>>> 1894. Mary Janes parents were William& Rebecca BORRILL, can anyone >>>>>>> help >>>>>>> me find her parents marriage and Rebecca's surname. Their ages would be >>>>>>> useful also >>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>> Phil >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> ------------------------------- >> >> -------------------------------

Sorry Pam, I was thinking of the GRO index and not the Birth Certificate. I have spent a lot of money on certificates over the years but as this is a line I am not following didn't want to go to that expense.  I was doing it more as a favour for an acquaintance. I have research my own line back to the 16th century and helped many others with their research, so I do know a bit about it. I had already discounted Rebecca Kime before posting on here. Best wishes Phil > Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:49:05 +0000 > From: pam@five-oaks.co.uk > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LIN] William & Rebecca BORRILL > > Phil, > Quote: "Getting Mary Janes birth certificate will not show her mothers maiden name." > Er, I think it will. What it might not do is give a father's name. > > You're stuck on this family. Several peope have definitely had a look at your query - you know because they've replied. Others may have looked, and haven't replied simply because they've found out nothing they can add to what's already been said. > If you've been doing FH for 25 years then you shoud know that sending for certificates is sometimes the only way to find out information - short of going through every single baptism/marriage/burial record for every church, chapel, cemetery or crematorium that ever existed. > > Perhaps you're just unfortunate that other ancestors of yours have been so successful at hiding themselves that the only information anyone can find is from the GRO Index, hence the 'send for the certificate'. It's not a phrase we use light-heartedly, as we all know the cost of them. I think you will it's a phrase used in sheer frustration, as in this case, at not being able to find further information to help you. > > And I apologise for not emphasing that I think the Rebecca Kime Joan found marrying in 1851 actually married Edward Smith Kirkby (who was on the same page) not William Borrill. (Though I gave the reason why.) > > Pam > Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.og.uk > > > > On 13/03/2012 22:04, Phil at Angelic Aromas wrote: > > > > I have been researching my family tree for over 25 years so I know, Joan, that there are no short cuts. Getting Mary Janes birth certificate will not show her mothers maiden name. I am very doubtful that her parents married but was hoping that someone on the list would have some information as I know there are people on here researching BORRILLS. > > > > I can't afford to get certificates for every person I research and, in this case, it would not help. > > > > I am frustrated that on the rare occasions I ask for help I get the response "send for the certificate", whereas other people get an immense amount of help. > > > > Sorry if you don't like this > > > > Phil > > > >> From: jvandaal@sympatico.ca > >> To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > >> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 07:50:22 -0400 > >> Subject: Re: [LIN] William& Rebecca BORRILL > >> > >> Yes, but she is the only Rebecca on the page. As I said before though, the > >> certificate is the only definitive answer. Joan. > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Pam Downes"<pam@five-oaks.co.uk> > >> To:<eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 10:50 PM > >> Subject: Re: [LIN] William& Rebecca BORRILL > >> > >> > >>> Without wishing to throw cold water on Joan's find, there is no proof > >>> that William and Rebecca married. That FreeBMD entry proves only that > >>> they were on the same page of the register. > >>> I've been trying to 'match' the other people on the page. Though with > >>> very little success, unless you count the following: > >>> > >>> I have found in 1851 a Rebecca Kime, aged 21, born what I presume is > >>> Scamblesby (terrible writing!) , living in Horncastle, HO107/2107 f 297 > >>> p 34 > >>> Also living in Horncastle in Foundry Street, is an Edward S Kirkby, aged > >>> 20, living with his parents John and Hannah. HO107/2107 f 363 p 8 > >>> > >>> In 1861 living in Foundry Street, Horncastle, there is a Rebecca Kirkby, > >>> aged 29, widow, born Scramby (sic), with three children, John, Hannah, > >>> and Edward. RG 9/2366 f 82 p//53 > >>> There is a burial in Horncastle St Mary 19 March 1859 for an Edward > >>> Kirkby, no age given. > >>> > >>> Not having a lot of luck finding any of them in 1871, apart from Edward > >>> (junior) who is in Horncastle workhouse. > >>> > >>> Pam > >>> Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society > >>> http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ > >>> > >>> > >>> On 13/03/2012 00:36, Joan Van Daalen wrote: > >>>> I really shouldn't do your homework for you, but here is a marriage in > >>>> the > >>>> June quarter of 1851 between William Borrill and Rebecca Kime, reference > >>>> Horncastle vol 14 page 770. From FreeBMD again. > >>>> > >>>> Joan > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "Phil at Angelic Aromas"<phil.gresham@hotmail.co.uk> > >>>> To: "Lincs Genealogy"<eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> > >>>> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 6:01 PM > >>>> Subject: [LIN] William& Rebecca BORRILL > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> George Henry GRESHAM married Mary Jane BORRILL in the second quarter of > >>>>> 1894. Mary Janes parents were William& Rebecca BORRILL, can anyone > >>>>> help > >>>>> me find her parents marriage and Rebecca's surname. Their ages would be > >>>>> useful also > >>>>> Thank you > >>>>> Phil > >>>>> > >>>>> ------------------------------- > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Phil, Quote: "Getting Mary Janes birth certificate will not show her mothers maiden name." Er, I think it will. What it might not do is give a father's name. You're stuck on this family. Several peope have definitely had a look at your query - you know because they've replied. Others may have looked, and haven't replied simply because they've found out nothing they can add to what's already been said. If you've been doing FH for 25 years then you shoud know that sending for certificates is sometimes the only way to find out information - short of going through every single baptism/marriage/burial record for every church, chapel, cemetery or crematorium that ever existed. Perhaps you're just unfortunate that other ancestors of yours have been so successful at hiding themselves that the only information anyone can find is from the GRO Index, hence the 'send for the certificate'. It's not a phrase we use light-heartedly, as we all know the cost of them. I think you will it's a phrase used in sheer frustration, as in this case, at not being able to find further information to help you. And I apologise for not emphasing that I think the Rebecca Kime Joan found marrying in 1851 actually married Edward Smith Kirkby (who was on the same page) not William Borrill. (Though I gave the reason why.) Pam Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.og.uk On 13/03/2012 22:04, Phil at Angelic Aromas wrote: > > I have been researching my family tree for over 25 years so I know, Joan, that there are no short cuts. Getting Mary Janes birth certificate will not show her mothers maiden name. I am very doubtful that her parents married but was hoping that someone on the list would have some information as I know there are people on here researching BORRILLS. > > I can't afford to get certificates for every person I research and, in this case, it would not help. > > I am frustrated that on the rare occasions I ask for help I get the response "send for the certificate", whereas other people get an immense amount of help. > > Sorry if you don't like this > > Phil > >> From: jvandaal@sympatico.ca >> To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com >> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 07:50:22 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [LIN] William& Rebecca BORRILL >> >> Yes, but she is the only Rebecca on the page. As I said before though, the >> certificate is the only definitive answer. Joan. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Pam Downes"<pam@five-oaks.co.uk> >> To:<eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 10:50 PM >> Subject: Re: [LIN] William& Rebecca BORRILL >> >> >>> Without wishing to throw cold water on Joan's find, there is no proof >>> that William and Rebecca married. That FreeBMD entry proves only that >>> they were on the same page of the register. >>> I've been trying to 'match' the other people on the page. Though with >>> very little success, unless you count the following: >>> >>> I have found in 1851 a Rebecca Kime, aged 21, born what I presume is >>> Scamblesby (terrible writing!) , living in Horncastle, HO107/2107 f 297 >>> p 34 >>> Also living in Horncastle in Foundry Street, is an Edward S Kirkby, aged >>> 20, living with his parents John and Hannah. HO107/2107 f 363 p 8 >>> >>> In 1861 living in Foundry Street, Horncastle, there is a Rebecca Kirkby, >>> aged 29, widow, born Scramby (sic), with three children, John, Hannah, >>> and Edward. RG 9/2366 f 82 p//53 >>> There is a burial in Horncastle St Mary 19 March 1859 for an Edward >>> Kirkby, no age given. >>> >>> Not having a lot of luck finding any of them in 1871, apart from Edward >>> (junior) who is in Horncastle workhouse. >>> >>> Pam >>> Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society >>> http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ >>> >>> >>> On 13/03/2012 00:36, Joan Van Daalen wrote: >>>> I really shouldn't do your homework for you, but here is a marriage in >>>> the >>>> June quarter of 1851 between William Borrill and Rebecca Kime, reference >>>> Horncastle vol 14 page 770. From FreeBMD again. >>>> >>>> Joan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Phil at Angelic Aromas"<phil.gresham@hotmail.co.uk> >>>> To: "Lincs Genealogy"<eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 6:01 PM >>>> Subject: [LIN] William& Rebecca BORRILL >>>> >>>> >>>>> George Henry GRESHAM married Mary Jane BORRILL in the second quarter of >>>>> 1894. Mary Janes parents were William& Rebecca BORRILL, can anyone >>>>> help >>>>> me find her parents marriage and Rebecca's surname. Their ages would be >>>>> useful also >>>>> Thank you >>>>> Phil >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>> >>> -------------------------------

This can't be right, I suspect that William was born about 1848 and Mary Jane would have been born after 23 years of marriage, whilst that's not unknown, it's unlikely. Phil > From: jvandaal@sympatico.ca > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 20:36:45 -0400 > Subject: Re: [LIN] William & Rebecca BORRILL > > I really shouldn't do your homework for you, but here is a marriage in the > June quarter of 1851 between William Borrill and Rebecca Kime, reference > Horncastle vol 14 page 770. From FreeBMD again. > > Joan > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phil at Angelic Aromas" <phil.gresham@hotmail.co.uk> > To: "Lincs Genealogy" <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 6:01 PM > Subject: [LIN] William & Rebecca BORRILL > > > > > > > > George Henry GRESHAM married Mary Jane BORRILL in the second quarter of > > 1894. Mary Janes parents were William & Rebecca BORRILL, can anyone help > > me find her parents marriage and Rebecca's surname. Their ages would be > > useful also > > Thank you > > Phil > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have been researching my family tree for over 25 years so I know, Joan, that there are no short cuts.  Getting Mary Janes birth certificate will not show her mothers maiden name.  I am very doubtful that her parents married but was hoping that someone on the list would have some information as I know there are people on here researching BORRILLS. I can't afford to get certificates for every person I research and, in this case, it would not help. I am frustrated that on the rare occasions I ask for help I get the response "send for the certificate", whereas other people get an immense amount of help. Sorry if you don't like this Phil > From: jvandaal@sympatico.ca > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 07:50:22 -0400 > Subject: Re: [LIN] William & Rebecca BORRILL > > Yes, but she is the only Rebecca on the page. As I said before though, the > certificate is the only definitive answer. Joan. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pam Downes" <pam@five-oaks.co.uk> > To: <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 10:50 PM > Subject: Re: [LIN] William & Rebecca BORRILL > > > > Without wishing to throw cold water on Joan's find, there is no proof > > that William and Rebecca married. That FreeBMD entry proves only that > > they were on the same page of the register. > > I've been trying to 'match' the other people on the page. Though with > > very little success, unless you count the following: > > > > I have found in 1851 a Rebecca Kime, aged 21, born what I presume is > > Scamblesby (terrible writing!) , living in Horncastle, HO107/2107 f 297 > > p 34 > > Also living in Horncastle in Foundry Street, is an Edward S Kirkby, aged > > 20, living with his parents John and Hannah. HO107/2107 f 363 p 8 > > > > In 1861 living in Foundry Street, Horncastle, there is a Rebecca Kirkby, > > aged 29, widow, born Scramby (sic), with three children, John, Hannah, > > and Edward. RG 9/2366 f 82 p//53 > > There is a burial in Horncastle St Mary 19 March 1859 for an Edward > > Kirkby, no age given. > > > > Not having a lot of luck finding any of them in 1871, apart from Edward > > (junior) who is in Horncastle workhouse. > > > > Pam > > Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society > > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ > > > > > > On 13/03/2012 00:36, Joan Van Daalen wrote: > >> I really shouldn't do your homework for you, but here is a marriage in > >> the > >> June quarter of 1851 between William Borrill and Rebecca Kime, reference > >> Horncastle vol 14 page 770. From FreeBMD again. > >> > >> Joan > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Phil at Angelic Aromas"<phil.gresham@hotmail.co.uk> > >> To: "Lincs Genealogy"<eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 6:01 PM > >> Subject: [LIN] William& Rebecca BORRILL > >> > >> > >>> > >>> George Henry GRESHAM married Mary Jane BORRILL in the second quarter of > >>> 1894. Mary Janes parents were William& Rebecca BORRILL, can anyone > >>> help > >>> me find her parents marriage and Rebecca's surname. Their ages would be > >>> useful also > >>> Thank you > >>> Phil > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Phil,     Actually, I'm the one who doesn't like it.  You asked for help on the list and you got an answer.  If it's not the one you want, or not a complete one (in your mind), you must remember that all these people are volunteers.  They will do what they can within reason.  They are not paid professionals.  If others got "immense" amounts of help, then I'm sorry that set your expectations so high.  I have seen a lot of people told to get the certificate.     But what I don't want is people firing off complaints and whining about the service they got.  There are no guarantees.  Yes, some of us expect others to do a lot of their own legwork.  But don't look a gift horse in the mouth.  Accept what you got and move on.     Now, let's hear no more about it.         Lou (list admin.) ________________________________ From: Phil at Angelic Aromas <phil.gresham@hotmail.co.uk> To: Lincs Genealogy <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [LIN] William & Rebecca BORRILL I have been researching my family tree for over 25 years so I know, Joan, that there are no short cuts.  Getting Mary Janes birth certificate will not show her mothers maiden name.  I am very doubtful that her parents married but was hoping that someone on the list would have some information as I know there are people on here researching BORRILLS. I can't afford to get certificates for every person I research and, in this case, it would not help. I am frustrated that on the rare occasions I ask for help I get the response "send for the certificate", whereas other people get an immense amount of help. Sorry if you don't like this Phil > From: jvandaal@sympatico.ca > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 07:50:22 -0400 > Subject: Re: [LIN] William & Rebecca BORRILL > > Yes, but she is the only Rebecca on the page.  As I said before though, the > certificate is the only definitive answer.  Joan. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pam Downes" <pam@five-oaks.co.uk> > To: <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 10:50 PM > Subject: Re: [LIN] William & Rebecca BORRILL > > > > Without wishing to throw cold water on Joan's find, there is no proof > > that William and Rebecca married. That FreeBMD entry proves only that > > they were on the same page of the register. > > I've been trying to 'match' the other people on the page. Though with > > very little success, unless you count the following: > > > > I have found in 1851 a Rebecca Kime, aged 21, born what I presume is > > Scamblesby (terrible writing!) , living in Horncastle,  HO107/2107 f 297 > > p 34 > > Also living in Horncastle in Foundry Street, is an Edward S Kirkby, aged > > 20, living with his parents John and Hannah. HO107/2107 f 363 p 8 > > > > In 1861 living in Foundry Street, Horncastle, there is a Rebecca Kirkby, > > aged 29, widow, born Scramby (sic), with three children, John, Hannah, > > and Edward. RG 9/2366 f 82 p//53 > > There is a burial in Horncastle St Mary 19 March 1859 for an Edward > > Kirkby, no age given. > > > > Not having a lot of luck finding any of them in 1871, apart from Edward > > (junior) who is in Horncastle workhouse. > > > > Pam > > Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society > > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ > > > > > > On 13/03/2012 00:36, Joan Van Daalen wrote: > >> I really shouldn't do your homework for you, but here is a marriage in > >> the > >> June quarter of 1851 between William Borrill and Rebecca Kime, reference > >> Horncastle vol 14 page 770.  From FreeBMD again. > >> > >> Joan > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Phil at Angelic Aromas"<phil.gresham@hotmail.co.uk> > >> To: "Lincs Genealogy"<eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 6:01 PM > >> Subject: [LIN] William&  Rebecca BORRILL > >> > >> > >>> > >>> George Henry GRESHAM married Mary Jane BORRILL in the second quarter of > >>> 1894.  Mary Janes parents were William&  Rebecca BORRILL, can anyone > >>> help > >>> me find her parents marriage and Rebecca's surname.  Their ages would be > >>> useful also > >>> Thank you > >>> Phil > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >  > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message                         ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have to second Pam on this.  For homework, see: http://www.rootsweb.com/~englin/civilreg.htm     Lou (list admin.) ________________________________ From: Pam Downes <pam@five-oaks.co.uk> To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [LIN] William & Rebecca BORRILL Phil, Quote: "Getting Mary Janes birth certificate will not show her mothers maiden name." Er, I think it will. What it might not do is give a father's name. You're stuck on this family. Several peope have definitely had a look at your query - you know because they've replied. Others may have looked, and haven't replied simply because they've found out nothing they can add to what's already been said. If you've been doing FH for 25 years then you shoud know that sending for certificates is sometimes the only way to find out information - short of going through every single baptism/marriage/burial record for every church, chapel, cemetery or crematorium that ever existed. Perhaps you're just unfortunate that other ancestors of yours have been so successful at hiding themselves that the only information anyone can find is from the GRO Index, hence the 'send for the certificate'. It's not a phrase we use light-heartedly, as we all know the cost of them. I think you will it's a phrase used in sheer frustration, as in this case,  at not being able to find further information to help you. And I apologise for not emphasing that I think the Rebecca Kime Joan found marrying in 1851 actually married Edward Smith Kirkby (who was on the same page) not William Borrill. (Though I gave the reason why.) Pam Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.og.uk On 13/03/2012 22:04, Phil at Angelic Aromas wrote: > > I have been researching my family tree for over 25 years so I know, Joan, that there are no short cuts.  Getting Mary Janes birth certificate will not show her mothers maiden name.  I am very doubtful that her parents married but was hoping that someone on the list would have some information as I know there are people on here researching BORRILLS. > > I can't afford to get certificates for every person I research and, in this case, it would not help. > > I am frustrated that on the rare occasions I ask for help I get the response "send for the certificate", whereas other people get an immense amount of help. > > Sorry if you don't like this > > Phil > >> From: jvandaal@sympatico.ca >> To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com >> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 07:50:22 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [LIN] William&  Rebecca BORRILL >> >> Yes, but she is the only Rebecca on the page.  As I said before though, the >> certificate is the only definitive answer.  Joan. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Pam Downes"<pam@five-oaks.co.uk> >> To:<eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 10:50 PM >> Subject: Re: [LIN] William&  Rebecca BORRILL >> >> >>> Without wishing to throw cold water on Joan's find, there is no proof >>> that William and Rebecca married. That FreeBMD entry proves only that >>> they were on the same page of the register. >>> I've been trying to 'match' the other people on the page. Though with >>> very little success, unless you count the following: >>> >>> I have found in 1851 a Rebecca Kime, aged 21, born what I presume is >>> Scamblesby (terrible writing!) , living in Horncastle,  HO107/2107 f 297 >>> p 34 >>> Also living in Horncastle in Foundry Street, is an Edward S Kirkby, aged >>> 20, living with his parents John and Hannah. HO107/2107 f 363 p 8 >>> >>> In 1861 living in Foundry Street, Horncastle, there is a Rebecca Kirkby, >>> aged 29, widow, born Scramby (sic), with three children, John, Hannah, >>> and Edward. RG 9/2366 f 82 p//53 >>> There is a burial in Horncastle St Mary 19 March 1859 for an Edward >>> Kirkby, no age given. >>> >>> Not having a lot of luck finding any of them in 1871, apart from Edward >>> (junior) who is in Horncastle workhouse. >>> >>> Pam >>> Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society >>> http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ >>> >>> >>> On 13/03/2012 00:36, Joan Van Daalen wrote: >>>> I really shouldn't do your homework for you, but here is a marriage in >>>> the >>>> June quarter of 1851 between William Borrill and Rebecca Kime, reference >>>> Horncastle vol 14 page 770.  From FreeBMD again. >>>> >>>> Joan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Phil at Angelic Aromas"<phil.gresham@hotmail.co.uk> >>>> To: "Lincs Genealogy"<eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 6:01 PM >>>> Subject: [LIN] William&  Rebecca BORRILL >>>> >>>> >>>>> George Henry GRESHAM married Mary Jane BORRILL in the second quarter of >>>>> 1894.  Mary Janes parents were William&  Rebecca BORRILL, can anyone >>>>> help >>>>> me find her parents marriage and Rebecca's surname.  Their ages would be >>>>> useful also >>>>> Thank you >>>>> Phil >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>> >>> ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, but she is the only Rebecca on the page. As I said before though, the certificate is the only definitive answer. Joan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Downes" <pam@five-oaks.co.uk> To: <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [LIN] William & Rebecca BORRILL > Without wishing to throw cold water on Joan's find, there is no proof > that William and Rebecca married. That FreeBMD entry proves only that > they were on the same page of the register. > I've been trying to 'match' the other people on the page. Though with > very little success, unless you count the following: > > I have found in 1851 a Rebecca Kime, aged 21, born what I presume is > Scamblesby (terrible writing!) , living in Horncastle, HO107/2107 f 297 > p 34 > Also living in Horncastle in Foundry Street, is an Edward S Kirkby, aged > 20, living with his parents John and Hannah. HO107/2107 f 363 p 8 > > In 1861 living in Foundry Street, Horncastle, there is a Rebecca Kirkby, > aged 29, widow, born Scramby (sic), with three children, John, Hannah, > and Edward. RG 9/2366 f 82 p//53 > There is a burial in Horncastle St Mary 19 March 1859 for an Edward > Kirkby, no age given. > > Not having a lot of luck finding any of them in 1871, apart from Edward > (junior) who is in Horncastle workhouse. > > Pam > Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ > > > On 13/03/2012 00:36, Joan Van Daalen wrote: >> I really shouldn't do your homework for you, but here is a marriage in >> the >> June quarter of 1851 between William Borrill and Rebecca Kime, reference >> Horncastle vol 14 page 770. From FreeBMD again. >> >> Joan >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Phil at Angelic Aromas"<phil.gresham@hotmail.co.uk> >> To: "Lincs Genealogy"<eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 6:01 PM >> Subject: [LIN] William& Rebecca BORRILL >> >> >>> >>> George Henry GRESHAM married Mary Jane BORRILL in the second quarter of >>> 1894. Mary Janes parents were William& Rebecca BORRILL, can anyone >>> help >>> me find her parents marriage and Rebecca's surname. Their ages would be >>> useful also >>> Thank you >>> Phil >>> >>> ------------------------------- > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Without wishing to throw cold water on Joan's find, there is no proof that William and Rebecca married. That FreeBMD entry proves only that they were on the same page of the register. I've been trying to 'match' the other people on the page. Though with very little success, unless you count the following: I have found in 1851 a Rebecca Kime, aged 21, born what I presume is Scamblesby (terrible writing!) , living in Horncastle, HO107/2107 f 297 p 34 Also living in Horncastle in Foundry Street, is an Edward S Kirkby, aged 20, living with his parents John and Hannah. HO107/2107 f 363 p 8 In 1861 living in Foundry Street, Horncastle, there is a Rebecca Kirkby, aged 29, widow, born Scramby (sic), with three children, John, Hannah, and Edward. RG 9/2366 f 82 p//53 There is a burial in Horncastle St Mary 19 March 1859 for an Edward Kirkby, no age given. Not having a lot of luck finding any of them in 1871, apart from Edward (junior) who is in Horncastle workhouse. Pam Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ On 13/03/2012 00:36, Joan Van Daalen wrote: > I really shouldn't do your homework for you, but here is a marriage in the > June quarter of 1851 between William Borrill and Rebecca Kime, reference > Horncastle vol 14 page 770. From FreeBMD again. > > Joan > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phil at Angelic Aromas"<phil.gresham@hotmail.co.uk> > To: "Lincs Genealogy"<eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 6:01 PM > Subject: [LIN] William& Rebecca BORRILL > > >> >> George Henry GRESHAM married Mary Jane BORRILL in the second quarter of >> 1894. Mary Janes parents were William& Rebecca BORRILL, can anyone help >> me find her parents marriage and Rebecca's surname. Their ages would be >> useful also >> Thank you >> Phil >> >> -------------------------------

Lots of us have had to use that route and spent time and money persueing our hobby (no one send it was free and no one said it was easy). you didn't give us much information to go on. Where did you find her parents were William and Rebecca? Dates? Area? Couldn't see marriage for Wm and Rebecca either but then we know GRO has missing marriages. Could be that William was married to another first and did not actually marry Rebecca. Have you picked them up on 1881 1891 census? Could save some 'leg work'and order cert to get correct info then work back from that. Pam   ________________________________ From: Phil at Angelic Aromas <phil.gresham@hotmail.co.uk> To: Pam Downes <pam@five-oaks.co.uk>; "eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com " <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, 12 March 2012, 23:38 Subject: Re: [LIN] William & Rebecca BORRILL Not getting very far with this - as usual.  Whenever I ask for help I am told to get the birth/marriage certificate.  Thanks everyone Sent via BlackBerry® from BT -----Original Message----- From: Pam Downes <pam@five-oaks.co.uk> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 23:27:01 To: <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [LIN] William & Rebecca BORRILL Judging by Mary Jane's age and place of birth in the 1891 census her birth registration seems to be March quarter 1875, Caistor registration district. The birth certificate should give you Rebecca's maiden name. Pam Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ On 12/03/2012 22:01, Phil at Angelic Aromas wrote: > > George Henry GRESHAM married Mary Jane BORRILL in the second quarter of 1894.  Mary Janes parents were William&  Rebecca BORRILL, can anyone help me find her parents marriage and Rebecca's surname.  Their ages would be useful also > Thank you > Phil                               > > ------------------------------- >   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Not getting very far with this - as usual. Whenever I ask for help I am told to get the birth/marriage certificate. Thanks everyone Sent via BlackBerry® from BT -----Original Message----- From: Pam Downes <pam@five-oaks.co.uk> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 23:27:01 To: <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [LIN] William & Rebecca BORRILL Judging by Mary Jane's age and place of birth in the 1891 census her birth registration seems to be March quarter 1875, Caistor registration district. The birth certificate should give you Rebecca's maiden name. Pam Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ On 12/03/2012 22:01, Phil at Angelic Aromas wrote: > > George Henry GRESHAM married Mary Jane BORRILL in the second quarter of 1894.  Mary Janes parents were William&  Rebecca BORRILL, can anyone help me find her parents marriage and Rebecca's surname.  Their ages would be useful also > Thank you > Phil                               > > ------------------------------- >   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Phil, Mary Jane is 26 on 1901 census Freebmd show birth reg for Mary Jane Borrell Mar Q 1875 Caistor 7a 614 Order birth cert will give you parents names inc mother's maiden name ________________________________ From: Phil at Angelic Aromas <phil.gresham@hotmail.co.uk> To: Lincs Genealogy <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, 12 March 2012, 22:01 Subject: [LIN] William & Rebecca BORRILL George Henry GRESHAM married Mary Jane BORRILL in the second quarter of 1894.  Mary Janes parents were William & Rebecca BORRILL, can anyone help me find her parents marriage and Rebecca's surname.  Their ages would be useful also Thank you Phil                         ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Phil, I looked at the 1901 census and found: Living in Lincoln George Gresham age 47 Born in New Holland wife Mary age 26 born Grimsby and children: Daisy age 4 Thomas age 2 Ruby age 3 months Children all born Lincoln I also looked on the following census: George and 4 children(same 3 from 1901 plus Robert age 4) living again in Lincoln but with no Mary. Could this be the right family?? Debbie > From: phil.gresham@hotmail.co.uk > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 22:01:48 +0000 > Subject: [LIN] William & Rebecca BORRILL > > > > George Henry GRESHAM married Mary Jane BORRILL in the second quarter of 1894. Mary Janes parents were William & Rebecca BORRILL, can anyone help me find her parents marriage and Rebecca's surname. Their ages would be useful also > Thank you > Phil > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Judging by Mary Jane's age and place of birth in the 1891 census her birth registration seems to be March quarter 1875, Caistor registration district. The birth certificate should give you Rebecca's maiden name. Pam Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ On 12/03/2012 22:01, Phil at Angelic Aromas wrote: > > George Henry GRESHAM married Mary Jane BORRILL in the second quarter of 1894. Mary Janes parents were William& Rebecca BORRILL, can anyone help me find her parents marriage and Rebecca's surname. Their ages would be useful also > Thank you > Phil > > ------------------------------- >

Thanks for that Joan, just one small problem:  I don't know when they were married, I have searched all the sites I can think of and can't find it.  I can't find them on a census either. Phil > From: jvandaal@sympatico.ca > To: eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:14:47 -0400 > Subject: Re: [LIN] William & Rebecca BORRILL > > Phil, you'll just have to bite the bullet and send for the marriage > certificate which will give you enough detail to find the parents' marriage, > unless you get lucky and SKS will answer your questions for you. > > Joan. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phil at Angelic Aromas" <phil.gresham@hotmail.co.uk> > To: "Lincs Genealogy" <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 6:01 PM > Subject: [LIN] William & Rebecca BORRILL > > > > > > > > George Henry GRESHAM married Mary Jane BORRILL in the second quarter of > > 1894. Mary Janes parents were William & Rebecca BORRILL, can anyone help > > me find her parents marriage and Rebecca's surname. Their ages would be > > useful also > > Thank you > > Phil > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message